Nintendo NX - 4.6 Tflops!?

@Chozofication:

AMD Puma+ has replaced AMD Jaguar i.e. improvement with higher clock speed and less power leakage.

In year 2016, AMD Zen replaces Puma+ and Excavator CPU designs.

The designed approach for AMD Zen is Intel Core i series i.e. it scales from ULV tablets to servers.

NX specs with AMD's year 2016 parts

CPU: Quad core AMD Zen with 8 thread ULV level CPU. Similar to low power mobile Intel Core i7 quad core/8 threads.

GPU: 32 CU GCN

SoC/APU size: similar to current AMD FX-8800p SoC.

The only number I care about is it's number of good games per year.

Highly doubt this news. This would put the NX at over a grand retail. Nintendo is known for releasing old hardware to make the console affordable. They have used this strategy ever since the NES. I would honestly be surprised if the NX is at the PS4/XBox One level hardware-wise.

But even if this is true, it won't make a bit of difference if this console will be digital-only.

it sorta has to be at this point. What bed they made for themselves with the WiiU is that they will forever be the console manufacturer who ALWAYS starts next gen really early so that they are now the sorta middle point of every generation. It's now something they have to do as the WiiU was a bit more powerful than the PS360. It seems like a very sound logical step to make a new console a lot more powerful than the PS4bone or else what the hell is the point of the generations? lol. If it is weaker or about the same then nintendo have gone backwards some how.

Inevitably, when the PS5 and doublebone launch they should considerably smoke the NX in terms of flops.

Why should the NX be more powerful than the PS4 when the Wii U was barely more powerful than consoles which were already 6-7 yrs old by the time it released?

The NX will at best be about as powerful as the XB1. The NX will not consume more than 70-80 watts, so you can't realistically expect it to outpower the PS4 which still consumes about 115 watts even with the revised motherboard. Those thinking the NX's APU will be of the 14nm process variant are delusional, especially if this console is coming out next year.

They don't need those. The gaming community has proved it is willing to buy two systems a gen. All Nintendo needs to do is invest even more heavily in their 1st party studios and create new ones. They need to churn out games at least once a month or once every two months. If people can expect a AAA budget or well done Indie type title monthly or bi monthly then you will see fans come back.

Also the system is probably 2 in 1. It'll be portable probably meaning you can take it anywhere in the house and continue to play. It'll have software that syncs everything including mobile. It will probably be a good bit stronger than the PS4 so games like Zelda will probably be gorgeous. Nintendo just needs to push out content faster.

NX would be behind PC OEMs, if Nintendo don't even use next year's 14 nm based fleet PC OEM parts.

http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/36840-details-emerge-on-amd-summit-ridge-14nm-parts

Stopped reading at "Co-CPU"..

Actually, I just scanned the list of hardware bullet points before reading, so technically, I stopped reading before I started.

Let's say Nintendo does go with a 14nm process for their APU. What kind of performance can we expect from a console that will most likely consume 70-80 watts max?

I agree, i want them to push more content also, i would love for them to combine their forces and create games on a unified operating system.

They'll need to be priced aggressively, regardless. Which by default means the hardware won't be where it ought to be. Nintendo tends to prefer to turn a profit on each unit sold.

So do Sony and MS now. So they're all on a level playing field

GPU: 32 CU GCN, Fury Nano at 64 CU has 175 watts... 32 CU would have 87.5 watts and that's with revised 28 nm tech.

Mobile Tonga XT with 32 CU already has 100 watts.

So, what are we looking at in terms of Tflops for the 32 CU GPU?

About half of Fury Nano's 8.19 TFLOPS i.e. ~4 TFLOPS.

FX-8800p(8 CU)'s 15 watts x 4 = 60 watts scaled to 32 CU

FX-8800p(8 CU)'s 20 watts x 4 = 80 watts scaled to 32 CU

Again, I just can't see the NX being that powerful and for one good reason.

If Nintendo is going the iOS route they can't really make the home console vastly more powerful than the handheld for cross game development to work well.

You can't have the home console be 4 Tflops and the handheld to be 200 Gflops and expect games to take full advantage of both platforms equally. The home console's true potential will be hampered by the devs having to make the game work for the handheld as well.

the fact that Nintendo has never sold a system at a loss should be enough to render this rumor irrelevant. I mean, the 3DS and Vita are worlds apart hardware wise and Nintendo tried to sell that under-powered piece of garbage for $300! But now some people expect Nintendo to sell a 4tflops machine for under $400-600?

Bro, Nintendo are full casual now, they will never compete against Sony or MS when it comes to power unless they want to sell at a loss and bakarupt the company of course.

Yeah ever since I knew how efficient the Nano fury was i've been thinking for sure Nintendo can make a console > Ps4 that doesn't consume a whole lot more than Wii U since they'll be using the new 16/14nm process. 7970 level gpu, 8 core Arm A-72 cpu (clocked higher than jaguar) isn't out of the question.

Worstcase scenario, 7870 level gpu (2.5 teraflops) but with a newer DX12 feature set.

New fabrication process bro. 16/14nm they can fit twice as much into a console than Sony did with PS4, and that's ignoring other massive efficiency improvements. I'm not saying they will put out a console with a 4tf gpu, but it's possible.

Also if their new console does actually use SD cards (see Nintendo's recent disc-less console patent) instead of discs that'll lower the cost of the unit as well.

It would be like PC scaling but with garden walled machines.

Actually, it's about four times as much since TSMC's 20 nm fabs was a complete failure for AMD/NVIDIA.

Original plan: 28 nm ----> 20 nm ----> 16 nm/14nm.

Revised plan: 28 nm ----> revised 28 nm ------> 16 nm/14nm.

Both AMD and NVIDIA has taped out GPU designs for 20 nm TSMC and it's all for nothing. Both Apple and Qualcomm bought most of 20nm TSMC's capacity.

True, that's what I meant by "other massive efficiency improvements" =P

So was 20nm just not worth it for how much it cost to get running or was there another issue?

Once Apple and Qualcomm got into TSMC it's fack'ed for AMD/NVIDIA. Apple and Qualcomm can outbid both AMD and NVIDIA.

AMD was a risk partner for TSMC's new process tech, but Apple and Qualcomm has changed that.

With Apple shifting back to Samsung for it's next iPhone chip fabs, it created space for AMD and NVIDIA. Long view for AMD is get out of TSMC.

Oh boy, it's the N64 all over again. Or, rather the Ultra 64.

The Ultra 64 was hyped to hell. People claiming it can produce Jurassic Park quality graphics.

I'll wait for the actual system to be released, WITH games to determine who great and worthy of an exclamation point it really is.

It's an obvious fake. No way would Nintendo stick with Power PC architecture for another generation.

total rubbish imo

1) P8 is not designed for these types of workloads. it would be a waste of cpu resources to have 8 8-thread cores in the thing, not to mention power/thermal requirements

2) P8 is not cheap, it would make little sense to use them in a consumer device like this, no one would buy it

3) P8 does not support direct attach memory, additional ( expensive ) asics are needed

4) from a system perspective if a p8 variant was used it would make more sense to go w/ an nvidia gpu to leverage the capi/nvlink work done between the 2 companies under openpower than go w/ an amd solution

Hale naw. The nx might not even match the X1

I wish these specs were legit but I really doubt it.

.. That wouldn't be hard to imagine.. A 750 TI, a older gen entry level video card, out performs the PS4 and XboxOne..

But it's Nintendo.

Article is from 2014. That hardware would put off way too much heat to be in a small console, let alone a handheld.