Nintendo says- "Hardrives are for Geeks and Otaku's"

Does Iwata's statement contradict what Laurent Fischer said?

Clearly, he's not the most tactful PR person, and Nintendo of Europe isn't always on the same page as the rest of Nintendo, but he's aware that when he speaks to the press, he speaks for the company. And considering that he's not setting the agenda for the company, anything he says probably comes from somewhere.

Iwata said that this issue was something that mattered to their most devoted users, so they had to address it. Fischer said that geeks and otaku were the only ones that cared about it. These statements do not contradict each other. Iwata just knows how to talk to the press better.

If Nintendo is planning on undertaking an expansion to the internal memory of the Wii, they have to consider why they're doing it, and which consumers they're doing it for. The sort of people who will buy many, many VC and WiiWare games lie outside of Nintendo's target audience in their Blue Ocean strategy. They're an outlier, 'geeks and otaku' that aren't central to the company's main mission for this generation. But since they are devoted users who purchase many games, their needs must be addressed.

Is it really that surprising to discover that Nintendo doesn't think that highly of you, considering you're spending so much time and money on something that they see as a toy?

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

legend26

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

SolidTy

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

Iwata had this to say: "Statistically speaking, it is true that there are a small number of customers who feel that the flash memory is too small, while many others find that they have plenty of memory," he continues "However, because this small number of people are none other than the most avid players, we know we have to review the best possible solution to eliminate their inconvenience."

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SER69

It looks like they're working on addressing the issue for that segment of the market though.

Nintendo's PR people seriously disappoint me.

Personally, I'm pretty sure that some sort of solution is coming. In one interview, Iwata said something along the lines of: "The ones complaining are some of the most dedicated players, so this issue must be addressed."

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

legend26

Actually, yes, one person from Nintendo does represent all of Nintendo. That's how it works in the press. That's how it works with Phil Harrison, Jack Tretton, and J Allard, and that's how it works here.

It looks like they're working on addressing the issue for that segment of the market though.

mattbbpl

That's good, but we are on Year 2 of the Wii, halfway thru it's lifecycle...when do they plan to release such a device. I ran out of Wii space 9 months ago. They lost me as a DL customer at that point. Sure, I have SD cards, but I don't want to bother.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

SolidTy

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

Nintendo_Ownes7

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

Nintendo_Ownes7

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

Those are just examples of a long list of quotes found all over the net.

The bottomline, if they speak for Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony, then that's that. There is no way out of that.

Of course, I don't think you will want to believe that with a name like *Ahem* "Nintendo Ownes", but that is how the cookie crumbles young man.

You are right, Nintendo of EU is behind, but that's not our fault. Nintendo needs to start communicating with that parf of their own company better. If the EU guys are aware of their obvious lack of Knowledge, then they need not speak at all. Just say "No comment".

Even Iwata's statement seems like PR spin anyways, the Timing is already horrible, and they are taking a LONG,LONG time. It seems like one of the comments fans can Hold on too and pray for.

I still am waiting for my 64DD, so it will mop up the floor with the Saturn and PSOne.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

Nintendo_Ownes7

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

So?

He's still the Managing Director of Marketing at Nintendo of Europe. And even if he isn't a PR person, as a company employee, the things he says represent the company as a whole, especially in the context of a press interview, until Nintendo expressly disavows it.

And what did he say that was behind what Nintendo said? Have their views on the target audience for an expansion to the Wii's internal storage changed, and nobody informed NoE?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

It looks like they're working on addressing the issue for that segment of the market though.

SolidTy

That's good, but we are on Year 2 of the Wii, halfway thru it's lifecycle...when do they plan to release such a device. I ran out of Wii space 9 months ago. They lost me as a DL customer at that point. Sure, I have SD cards, but I don't want to bother.

I was just pointing out that while this guy is busy making himself look like a fool, the company was already moving forward and looking for a solution for those that don't want to use SD cards.

Personally, I don't see why SD cards aren't a viable solution for those that need the space, but it's all personal preference I guess.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

sonicmj1

Actually, yes, one person from Nintendo does represent all of Nintendo. That's how it works in the press. That's how it works with Phil Harrison, Jack Tretton, and J Allard, and that's how it works here.

True dat, you are absolutely right, he is a senior within the company and even more so a public face for Nintendo in Europe. People in the US may not know of him but he has been well known in Europe since launch of the Wii. What's shocking here is that like someone above says this comment lacks a incredible amount of tact, so much so it begs belief that it came from a supposedly seasoned PR person. What I find interesting is the use of the word Otaku by a Frenchmen, I find that weird and conclude that there really must be more behind that. I can easily imagine him being told this by a Japanese senior at Nintendo of Japan

sheep will still defend this........vicmackey39

LOL. They have one of their reps pretty much just insult the hell out of their hardcore fanbase and alienate them even further than they already have by calling them "geeks?" You have got to be kidding me. Yet some Nintendo fans still find a way to act as if it is just some sort of misunderstanding and think Nintendo as a whole really cares.:lol:

I am sorry, but isolated statement from one person or not, the man is a REP for Nintendo, therefore, he speaks for Nintendo. And people call Sony arrogant? Pfffft, I think we have a new company that has claimed that throne.

I still plan on getting a Wii eventually, but Nintendo needs to check themselves before they continue to let success go to their head the way it did to Sony....as it may just come back to eventually bite them on the ass when they least expect it to. Thankfully, Sony has been somewhat humbled this gen, but they had to learn the hard way.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

do you people realize that on person from nintendo of europe dosnt represrent all of nintendo >_>...

SolidTy

Yeah, whatever. That arguement really worked with Crazy Ken being from Sony Japan. And Phil Harrison being with Sony Europe.

Sorry, it doesn't fly here, that is pretty lame when you think about it.

Goes to show the direction Nintendo is going though, for the future.

What the hell is Otaku?Ilived

Geeks and otaku are "bad" now? I am a wannabe geek and a wannabe otaku. In other words, I strive to be both. I really don't see any insult here. If he said something like "geeks and otaku with no lives", then I would probably take offense, though.Hexagon_777

I don't know about you, but where I come from, calling someone a geek is considered an insult....not to mention a rather childish one.

[QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?m_machine024

It means someone with an excessive interest in something. In this particular case it means "someone with a high level of interest in gaming" or "hardcore gamer".

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Geeks and otaku are "bad" now? I am a wannabe geek and a wannabe otaku. In other words, I strive to be both. I really don't see any insult here. If he said something like "geeks and otaku with no lives", then I would probably take offense, though.ironcreed

I don't know about you, but where I come from, calling someone a geek is considered an insult....not to mention a rather childish one.

It's connotation (in the US) has gradually been changing to one of a more positive note. "Geek" is now often used to refer to people with high technical skills or aptitude. It can still be used with a negative connotation as well. It's all a matter of how it's said and the context in which it's used.

[QUOTE="scottie300z"][QUOTE="xxastrocreepxx"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="xxastrocreepxx"]

and the damage control has already start...

xxastrocreepxx

Damage control is just an insulting way of saying debate. I suggest you find a new forum if this "debate" is bugging you.

Well just from your own explanation, DC counter acts the "Blown out of proportion" part of it. So maybe if it didn't get "blown out of proportion" there wouldn't be DC.

Stop "blowing" my "quotations" "out of proportion.

And I'll raise you a, "Everything gets damage control thats what makes this place SW"

[QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?m_machine024

*Double facepalm*

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?mattbbpl

It means someone with an excessive interest in something. In this particular case it means "someone with a high level of interest in gaming" or "hardcore gamer".

Taken from EDGE Magazine issue 190 (UK)

"First Nintendo will not be concentrating any significant marketing spend on the service - journalists attending Nintendo's preview event were told that it was their job to spread the word about WiiWare titles via reviews and other coverage.

... when asked a pertinent question about the limited Wii system memory was raised, Laurent Fischer, managing director of marketing at NoE, easily slipped into talking about how "geeks and otaku" were the only people who want this issue addressed."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308392

Nintendo are ________ idiots.

linkyshinks

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?speedjunkie1992

*Double facepalm*

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Geeks and otaku are "bad" now? I am a wannabe geek and a wannabe otaku. In other words, I strive to be both. I really don't see any insult here. If he said something like "geeks and otaku with no lives", then I would probably take offense, though.mattbbpl

I don't know about you, but where I come from, calling someone a geek is considered an insult....not to mention a rather childish one.

It's connotation (in the US) has gradually been changing to one of a more positive note. "Geek" is now often used to refer to people with high technical skills or aptitude. It can still be used with a negative connotation as well. It's all a matter of how it's said and the context in which it's used.

Yes, I am well aware of that, and I reside in the US as well. Even so, I think that it still carries with it enough of a negative stigma, that it is more widely viewed or perceived as being an insult, rather than a compliment.

[QUOTE="speedjunkie1992"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?m_machine024

*Double facepalm*

Don't sweat it - it's a Japanese term, so I'm not sure why people here would be expected to know it.

[QUOTE="speedjunkie1992"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?m_machine024

*Double facepalm*

Mostly used to describe anime lovers.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Geeks and otaku are "bad" now? I am a wannabe geek and a wannabe otaku. In other words, I strive to be both. I really don't see any insult here. If he said something like "geeks and otaku with no lives", then I would probably take offense, though.ironcreed

I don't know about you, but where I come from, calling someone a geek is considered an insult....not to mention a rather childish one.

It's connotation (in the US) has gradually been changing to one of a more positive note. "Geek" is now often used to refer to people with high technical skills or aptitude. It can still be used with a negative connotation as well. It's all a matter of how it's said and the context in which it's used.

Yes, I am well aware of that, and I reside in the US as well. Even so, I think that it still carries with it enough of a negative stigma, that it is more widely viewed or perceived as being an insult, rather than a compliment.

Yea, but that's the US. We are talking about the EU here. :P

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Geeks and otaku are "bad" now? I am a wannabe geek and a wannabe otaku. In other words, I strive to be both. I really don't see any insult here. If he said something like "geeks and otaku with no lives", then I would probably take offense, though.ironcreed

I don't know about you, but where I come from, calling someone a geek is considered an insult....not to mention a rather childish one.

It's connotation (in the US) has gradually been changing to one of a more positive note. "Geek" is now often used to refer to people with high technical skills or aptitude. It can still be used with a negative connotation as well. It's all a matter of how it's said and the context in which it's used.

Yes, I am well aware of that, and I reside in the US as well. Even so, I think that it still carries with it enough of a negative stigma, that it is more widely viewed or perceived as being an insult, rather than a compliment.

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

Proof as to why Nintendo is so out of it when it comes to what gamers wantToriko42

Yep. That is why they made the Wii.

Yea, but that's the US. We are talking about the EU here. :P

Hexagon_777

Ahh, I see. Then the Wii owners in the US who might take offense to being called geeks are irrelevant then, right?:roll:

Ahh, I see. Then the Wii owners in the US who might take offense to being called geeks are irrelevant then, right?:roll:

ironcreed

Oh dear, someone is taking this rather seriously. :cry:

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

mattbbpl

"Often not taken negatively" still does not make it the best choice of words. Would people be offended in this thread if they thought it was meant as a compliment, lol?

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Ahh, I see. Then the Wii owners in the US who might take offense to being called geeks are irrelevant then, right?:roll:

Hexagon_777

Oh dear, someone is taking this rather seriously. :cry:

LOL, I do not even own a Wii, pal. I am just calling it as I see it for the sake of discussion. I mean, this is a thread for discussion in a discussion forum, correct?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

ironcreed

"Often not taken negatively" still does not make it the best choice of words. Would people be offended in this thread if they thought it was meant as a compliment, lol?

It probably wasn't the best choice of words. I'm just saying that the guy who made the statement probably didn't mean it as an insult, but it was miscontrued that way due to cultural barriers, language barriers, and people who want to find something to complain about.

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

mattbbpl

If I'm not mistaken, 'Otaku' has a very negative connotation in Japan. Not as much in the US, though.

'Geek' can go either way.

EDIT: While Wiki isn't always the most reliable source, here's a link to its entry on the word 'Otaku'.

Notable relevant quote about the word in Japan:

"Some of Japan's otaku use the term to describe themselves and their friends semi-humorously, accepting their position as fans, and some even use the term proudly, attempting to reclaim it from its negative connotations. In general colloquial usage however, most Japanese would consider it undesirable to be described in a serious fashion as "otaku"; many even consider it to be a genuine insult."

[QUOTE="Ilived"]What the hell is Otaku?m_machine024

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

ironcreed

"Often not taken negatively" still does not make it the best choice of words. Would people be offended in this thread if they thought it was meant as a compliment, lol?

Then why do people hold the term "hardcore" in the highest regards here on System Wars? Geeks and otaku are the epitome of hardcore. Now it's a bad thing, though.

As if playing the Nintendo Wii doesn't already make you enough of a Geek :lol:

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

sonicmj1

If I'm not mistaken, 'Otaku' has a very negative connotation in Japan. Not as much in the US, though.

'Geek' can go either way.

I only know the denotation of "Otaku", not the connotation. Unfortunately, my exposure to Japanese culture has been pretty limited.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Used in conjunction with "Otaku" and in the context that it's in, it doesn't seem to be meant as an insult. It looks like it's more a product of cultural differences and traditional language barriers than a true insult.

Even in the US, the term is often not taken negatively.

sonicmj1

If I'm not mistaken, 'Otaku' has a very negative connotation in Japan. Not as much in the US, though.

'Geek' can go either way.

Negative in Japan, worn with pride in the West.