Nintendo stock drops after E3

Exactly. Consoles sell for few reasons: hardware, games, and somewhat price. The Xbox 360 was beating the PS3 for a while because they had the same third party games, but the 360 had a better price point. The only reason the PS3 took over in the end was because of Europe, which is attributed to Gran Turismo and Last of Us (this game also did well in America, but not the major point). In that case it was exclusives. At the same time, the PS2 really did well because it was a cheap DVD player. Games like Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo also helped since they appealed to casual gamers, but mostly because it was a DVD player.

Same with the Wii for hardware. That's honestly why the Wii succeeded but the N64, GameCube, and Wii U failed. They had the right games since Nintendo games are super popular. I hear about them when I'm just walking by. People talking about Pokemon, people talking about Mario, people making plans to play Mario Kart/Smash. Same way that I would constantly hear about Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Minecraft, Five Nights at Freddy's, and Fortnite. Rant aside, the Wii managed to do well because it offered a different way of playing from the DS. Sure the DS was portable and cheap, but the Wii gave you motion controls and peripherals that weren't possible on the DS. Like, you couldn't use a wheel on the DS for Mario Kart like you did on the Wii. Probably why people preferred the Wii version of Mario Kart over the DS version in that case.

Those GameCube games aren't relevant because people outside of hardcore gamers don't care for them. I've already been over their low sales. The only game you have listed that sold well was Smash. Twilight Princess sold well too, but most of its sells were on the Wii, so meh. Also, Melee isn't the best Smash. It's only said by a minority of Smash fans in the tournament scene who can't move on. Brawl and Smash 4 outsold it and continue to grow, which means that most people aren't hung up on Melee. Smash Ultimate will most likely sell more than Melee. Nintendo fans on the Internet are just as clueless as other fans. They constantly uplift Metroid and F-Zero, when those games in their prime (no pun intended) could never crack 3 million copies sold.

Mario on the Wii sold 30 million copies and Mario Kart on the Wii sold 37 million. I agree to a certain extend that if the console is shitty, then it hampers its ability to sell regardless of games. Like even if the Wii U had GTA V, it would not have made a difference because the console was so bad. Same with exclusives. Especially when they can get them somewhere else. Also, Game Gear was a flop, so meh.

Nintendo games continue to sell. Pokemon sells at least 15 million copies on each system, Mario sells at least 10 million copies, Animal Crossing sells at least 10 million copies, etc. Even Brawl is becoming an S tier game as it has a pattern of selling over 10 million copies lately. That's popular. If Nintendo games can convince 13.5 million people to buy a shitty overpriced console that never got a price cut, then that speaks to the power of those games. That would be like if the PS3 only got a price cut to $500, had no third party games, and managed to still sell 15-25 million systems. It's impressive because the console is selling in unfavorable conditions based on Sony games alone.

Nothing wrong with holding, just curious why so long? Would have been a great time to sell a year ago when it was so high. Would have seen 150-200% of your investment.

You came with the idea of X amount of people find their Nintendo experiences in handheld therefore consoles sales are not as high which is totally wrong. Thats where the argument stands to.

Get the facts straight and for what point we argue for. I repeat, Gameboy/color didnt affect NES/SNES but they did affect N64 ? Really ? Gamegear didnt affect GENESIS and PSP didnt affect PS2. If PS2 did really well because it was a DVD gets countered by its sales thru the years because that thing was selling deep into PS3 generation. So it did well for its DVD alone ? Think again.

When im saying PS3 did as good as Wii U + GC + N64 combined you coming up with " but handhelds " and when i counter " but handhelds " logic with actual facts and numbers = but PS2 sold because of DVD. Go figure.

PS2 sold because of its hype behind its massive exclusive hits from PS1 era like Tekken, Metal gear solid, Final Fantasy, Silent hill etc as exclusives. Thats what made PS2 instant hit, because fans of those games could find those games on PS only and thats why it sold as much as it did and thats why it kept selling deep into PS3 generation. Period. If few guys left and right bought it as DVD so be it but telling me that was the only reason PS2 became a monster .. rofl!!!

I know because i was there, bought this system early on so hunderd of my friends either in real life or online.

None i know or spoke with, literally none, said to me "i bought PS2 for DVD". Some maybe said DVD is a plus here and there but all we were talking about the games and what is coming. Silent Hill 2 , Final Fantasy 10 etc .. Also i hope you all talking out of experience when you argue with me about PS2 and year 2000 so i hope you werent something like 10 years old or less back then having no clue what you talking about.

This " i bought PS2 because of DVD only " is the biggest joke you can tell yourself if you think majority of PS2 owners bought PS2 for dvd alone. On the other hand i say to you this : Majority of Wii owners bought Wii because of wii mote and motions controls.