Nintendo Wii U problems turn into a crisis.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="super600"]

Ninty's screw up is not as bad as theor previous scre wup with the 3DS.

LegatoSkyheart

How so Charizard?

Until Mario Kart 7 came out there was like 1 or 2 games avalible for the 3DS.

WiiU?

You have

1. Mass Effect 3
2. Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge
3. Assassin's Creed 3
4. New Super Mario Bros. U
5. ZombiU
6. Batman Arkham City Armored Edition
7. Tekken Tag Tournament 2
8. Call of Duty Black Ops 2
9. Scribblenauts
10. Nintendo Land

That's 10 games there, That's one heck of a Launch man. There's nothing new being released, ya, but look at this! That's TEN GAMES there you could have for your WiiU library.

10 right there!

3DS at the Same Time Frame? I bet not one of us who bought it at launch had 3 games to the system in the span of 3 months.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]... it really isn't that crazy of an idea to think that the Wii-U could really fail.GunSmith1_basic

Nintendo has already had a console that did not sell well with the Cube.

Once again, not a crazy thought that the Wii-U could fail. It's debut has been awful and the two major competitors are prepping their jump into next-gen. It could very easily get overshadowed, especially if it has the trouble of being TOO underpowered like the Wii was where the Wii missed out on tons of multi-plats,

People keep talking about the 3DS, but that is a completely different market. What does the 3DS have competing against it in the handheld market? The joke of a handheld known as the Vita. Lets also not forget that the 3DS is a nice leap for the handheld market whereas the Wii-U is having trouble keeping up with the current gen.

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]... it really isn't that crazy of an idea to think that the Wii-U could really fail.LostProphetFLCL

Nintendo has already had a console that did not sell well with the Cube.

Once again, not a crazy thought that the Wii-U could fail. It's debut has been awful and the two major competitors are prepping their jump into next-gen. It could very easily get overshadowed, especially if it has the trouble of being TOO underpowered like the Wii was where the Wii missed out on tons of multi-plats,

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] but it is crazy to say the wiiu will fail though. Nintendo has a massive first party of game studios and they have billions in reserve cash to prop up the system. If the wiiu starts suffering real damage they will start throwing that money around, buying third party exclusivity rights, expanding their own studios, buying more advertising, and making the hardware itself more attractive through lowered prices and increases in quality. This isn't like Sega, where they were extremely poor and couldn't keep up in an arms race. The wiiU will likely not be as successful as the wii but it won't be a failure either.GunSmith1_basic

Nintendo has already had a console that did not sell well with the Cube.

Once again, not a crazy thought that the Wii-U could fail. It's debut has been awful and the two major competitors are prepping their jump into next-gen. It could very easily get overshadowed, especially if it has the trouble of being TOO underpowered like the Wii was where the Wii missed out on tons of multi-plats,

So have you accepted the fact that the Vita is a failure? *laughs*LittleMac19

I'm not totally shocked. I'm still baffled by wht the WiiU is spposed to be. Is it something to tide us over ntil the reveal a much better console that will be able to compete properly with the PS4 and 720? Or is this what they really want to use to compete with them?

If this is what they're expecting to hold them over the next generation, they're in a lot of trouble.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] but it is crazy to say the wiiu will fail though. Nintendo has a massive first party of game studios and they have billions in reserve cash to prop up the system. If the wiiu starts suffering real damage they will start throwing that money around, buying third party exclusivity rights, expanding their own studios, buying more advertising, and making the hardware itself more attractive through lowered prices and increases in quality. This isn't like Sega, where they were extremely poor and couldn't keep up in an arms race. The wiiU will likely not be as successful as the wii but it won't be a failure either.GunSmith1_basic

Nintendo has already had a console that did not sell well with the Cube.

Once again, not a crazy thought that the Wii-U could fail. It's debut has been awful and the two major competitors are prepping their jump into next-gen. It could very easily get overshadowed, especially if it has the trouble of being TOO underpowered like the Wii was where the Wii missed out on tons of multi-plats,

The Wii had novelty that the Wii-U lacks. The dismal beginning sales show how bad it is in that regard.

They didn't get a a huge casual market this time and it was the casual market that made the Wii such a huge success. On top of this, you have to factor in core gamers who felt burned by the Wii. Ninty 1st Party isn't good enough to get that many core gamers buying their system when it ends up LACKING most of the amazing multplats that have dominated this gen.

I think if anything the Wii-U just might be the console that proves Ninty isn't able to sell just anything to people. It doesn't have the casual market and the core market may very well go for the other two consoles that are going to be announced.

Obviously we shall SEE what happens, but to say the Wii-U can't fail ESPECIALLY in the light of a dismal launch and the circumstances I have been discussing in this thread.

Now unlike Sega I wouldn't think Nintendo is doomed with the prospect of their console failing, but that wouldn't change the fact that the console was still a failure.

The Wii had novelty that the Wii-U lacks. The dismal beginning sales show how bad it is in that regard.

They didn't get a a huge casual market this time and it was the casual market that made the Wii such a huge success. On top of this, you have to factor in core gamers who felt burned by the Wii. Ninty 1st Party isn't good enough to get that many core gamers buying their system when it ends up LACKING most of the amazing multplats that have dominated this gen.

I think if anything the Wii-U just might be the console that proves Ninty isn't able to sell just anything to people. It doesn't have the casual market and the core market may very well go for the other two consoles that are going to be announced.

Obviously we shall SEE what happens, but to say the Wii-U can't fail ESPECIALLY in the light of a dismal launch and the circumstances I have been discussing in this thread.

Now unlike Sega I wouldn't think Nintendo is doomed with the prospect of their console failing, but that wouldn't change the fact that the console was still a failure.

LostProphetFLCL

well I guess it depends on the definition of "failure". Some say that if it does worse than the wii it is a failure. Personally I don't think that's fair, just how it's unfair to say that the PS3 is a failure. I kind of like the way you put it actually. They don't have the casual market or the hardcore market with the wiiu. Losing the hardcore market is not surprising because it wasn't their niche, but losing the casual market is definitely concerning. It could become a failure in that it doesn't have an identity outside of just being a curiousity.

Personally, I think the wiiu has great potential to sell a lot and carve a real market for itself. Everyone says software is the issue, but imo just like with the 3DS that is only half of the problem. What really saved the 3DS was a price cut and the release of a superior model in the 3DSXL. Just like the 3DS at first, the wiiu has a long list of potential hardware improvements that can transform its market appeal, and not just the price. If that happens then I think that the casual market will return to Nintendo. Casuals demand quality hardware.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

The Wii had novelty that the Wii-U lacks. The dismal beginning sales show how bad it is in that regard.

They didn't get a a huge casual market this time and it was the casual market that made the Wii such a huge success. On top of this, you have to factor in core gamers who felt burned by the Wii. Ninty 1st Party isn't good enough to get that many core gamers buying their system when it ends up LACKING most of the amazing multplats that have dominated this gen.

I think if anything the Wii-U just might be the console that proves Ninty isn't able to sell just anything to people. It doesn't have the casual market and the core market may very well go for the other two consoles that are going to be announced.

Obviously we shall SEE what happens, but to say the Wii-U can't fail ESPECIALLY in the light of a dismal launch and the circumstances I have been discussing in this thread.

Now unlike Sega I wouldn't think Nintendo is doomed with the prospect of their console failing, but that wouldn't change the fact that the console was still a failure.

GunSmith1_basic

well I guess it depends on the definition of "failure". Some say that if it does worse than the wii it is a failure. Personally I don't think that's fair, just how it's unfair to say that the PS3 is a failure. I kind of like the way you put it actually. They don't have the casual market or the hardcore market with the wiiu. Losing the hardcore market is not surprising because it wasn't their niche, but losing the casual market is definitely concerning. It could become a failure in that it doesn't have an identity outside of just being a curiousity.

Personally, I think the wiiu has great potential to sell a lot and carve a real market for itself. Everyone says software is the issue, but imo just like with the 3DS that is only half of the problem. What really saved the 3DS was a price cut and the release of a superior model in the 3DSXL. Just like the 3DS at first, the wiiu has a long list of potential hardware improvements that can transform its market appeal, and not just the price. If that happens then I think that the casual market will return to Nintendo. Casuals demand quality hardware.

It most certainly depends on what you define as a "failure". Obviously it will fail if you are looking at it to be Wii sales. MOST consoles I think will as that thing sold ridiculously...

I think it will definitely bring profit for Nintendo. I don't think they are selling it at a loss so in terms of making SOME profit it will succeed.

In terms of sales placement with the other 2 consoles, I could see it failing there. They are just in a TERRIBLE position here. The strategy of being 1st out the gate for next gen just doesn't seem to be working this time, and with how underpowered the Wii-U is the terrible debut could be a serious issue as that was it's best shot at selling big.

The Wii-U definitely COULD pick up once more games start getting announced/released. The Monster Hunter support will assure them lots of support in Japan for one.

A well-timed price cut along with some major exclusives would go along way most likely. The cheaper price will draw in more casuals and better software will pull in the core gamers.

Time will tell though. I know some people felt burned by the Wii with the MAJOR lack of support from third party and even Ninty themselves to a degree. They really need to step it up to reel people back in. This isn't like with the 3DS where there is a lack of competition in that market. They have two MAJOR competitors looking to come out swinging this year and if Ninty isn't careful they could really lose alot of market share.

With the lack of software, and the weak/underpowered questionable hardware. I want to know WTF Nintendo was doing in 2010-2012. They hardly developed any Wii games during that time, so this lack of a pipeline of Wii-U games is baffling. Where did all the R&D dollars for the system go? I guess they were still counting their profits from the early days of Wii...

Yet the Wii U attach rate is 1.2 LOL

ME3, NG3 and Arkham City are old ass games that everyones played on the 360 / PS3. BLOPS2 and AC3, better on 360. So you have a rehashed Mario game, you typical weak ubisoft launch game and Nintendoland, nintendos failed attempt to recreate something a simple and great as wii sports.

RR360DD

Arkham City I can give you because it's been 1 year since that game released.

Mass Effect 3 and Ninja Gaiden 3 came out IN 2012. That's hardly "Old", but Ninja Gaiden 3 for the WiiU has some stuff in it that the other versions DON'T have either.

Assassin's Creed 3 also from what I've heard around the roost had Technical Problems across the board. ZombiU despite it's lackluster Hit with the Critics seems to actually be somewhat of a hit with other people. And Nintendo Land is actually pretty good, just ask anyone with a WiiU and has played it with Friends and Family.

Mario U is one of the Better New Super Mario Titles and Black OPs 2 is only "better on 360" because of Microsoft's AD deal with Activision of "Me First Attitude."

1. First problem: most of those games are available on other platforms, and for cheaper, so why do I need to buy a Wii U to play them? I'm perfectly fine with my Xbox and Playstation, thank you very much.
2. Second problem: where are the Nintendo games that will compel me to buy a Wii U? They are nowhere on the horizon.
3. Third problem: advertising and marketing for this thing has been horrible. Most people don't know the Wii U exists, and those that do think it's a peripheral for the Wii U. A highly overpriced peripheral. Nintendo has been horrible at communicating what the value proposition for the Wii U is, if there is any.
4. Fourth problem: Poor hardware, baffling software decisions like launching with a half baked OS, promised apps not available at launch, and problems like software and accounts being locked to your console (what's the point then?) show us that they didn't learn anything.
5. Fifth problem: an absolutely empty release slate. What, exactly, is releasing on the Wii U this year that I should be looking forward to or be excited about?charizard1605

Those points don't make the WiiU's launch "worse" than the 3DS's launch, EXCEPT the OS problems which there SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The Other Point I'll go with is the Advertising. Nintendo's Marketing Department is probably THE WORST, or perhaps it's NOA's Marketing that sucks, cause commercials in Japan and Europe seem alright.

So Problem #3 and #4 I give to you.

Problem #1: Yes a lot of those games are Multiplats, but what matter does that make? If you were going to get a WiiU and plan on getting say Darksiders II, why not get Darksiders II on the WiiU? Me, I got Assassin's Creed 3 for the WiiU, why did I do that? Wait extra long to play a game that's been on other platforms for a few weeks? So I can have something to play on my WiiU! It's that simple, Other games I can give you like Mass Effect 3, Why play it? It's just 1/3 of the real game, but games Like Tekken Tag 2 or Darksiders 2 or Assassin's Creed 3, They're on other platforms, but they're also pretty NEW. Not everyone goes to the store Launch day and buys a game on it's Launch day. They're not Spoiled Milk just yet.

Problem #2: Sadly, you're probably going to be waiting till E3 for this. Nintendo is just hush hush right now for their games right now, the only project they have given light to so far is Pokemon X and Y. They have other Projects this year for the 3DS, but it's been out for awhile this is expected for what is going to be 3DS's 2nd full year.

Problem #5: This should be bundled with Problem #2. There are multiple reasons why there doesn't seem to be enough 3rd Party going on to the WiiU system (even though it's clear it has the same capabilities of the 360 and PS3, why not put Dead Space 3 on WiiU? why not put Bioshock on WiiU?). All of those reasons though are subjective and speculation. One I can think of is that adding another platform would just raise the Development Costs and would just be a hassle. PC games already get delays from Console versions and I can only think it's because of the Developer's Budget. It's cheaper to port a game already made than to make the game ground up and optimized for the system. So while the WiiU may not get the latest 3rd Party game right away, it might get them later down the road, because it's cheaper, but then again all I'm spouting out is just speculation, there could actually be media bias with them, or whatever I don't know. All I can say is that you're going to have to wait till E3, because from the looks of things, Nintendo ain't saying anything about their offerings.

After all that is said and done, you're still convinced that the 3DS which had a very poor launch line up and also had some 3rd Party fallouts to be "BETTER" than what the WiiU has now?

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

SonyNintendoFan

Wait until Sony releases a PS4 with a tablet controller for $600+. People will go flocking to the WiiU or NextBox.RyanShazam

I'd give the system until next Christmas season until we start worrying. 2 months s hardly a fair point to startscreaming "doom."

The Wii U had a bad start for sure, but it could very well get back up, whether it be from price cuts, making more games, hardware improvements, etc. And while the Wii U will likely be less poweful than Sony and Moicrosoft's next gen systems, less power isn't necessarily a bad thing as last gen taught, in terms of sales atleast, with the Wii creaming both the 360 and PS3 in sales.

[QUOTE="SonyNintendoFan"]

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

RR360DD

The Gamecube has all those franchises, and only sold 24 million. I suspect a similar fate for the Wii U.

I'm willing to accept this. The GameCube had the best games of it's respective gen, in my opinion.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ohh it's this loser again... Nothing to see here.AtariKidX

Herp derp

wtf happened here

it's the legato post!

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] but it is crazy to say the wiiu will fail though. Nintendo has a massive first party of game studios and they have billions in reserve cash to prop up the system. If the wiiu starts suffering real damage they will start throwing that money around, buying third party exclusivity rights, expanding their own studios, buying more advertising, and making the hardware itself more attractive through lowered prices and increases in quality. This isn't like Sega, where they were extremely poor and couldn't keep up in an arms race. The wiiU will likely not be as successful as the wii but it won't be a failure either.GunSmith1_basic

Nintendo has already had a console that did not sell well with the Cube.

Once again, not a crazy thought that the Wii-U could fail. It's debut has been awful and the two major competitors are prepping their jump into next-gen. It could very easily get overshadowed, especially if it has the trouble of being TOO underpowered like the Wii was where the Wii missed out on tons of multi-plats,

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

1. First problem: most of those games are available on other platforms, and for cheaper, so why do I need to buy a Wii U to play them? I'm perfectly fine with my Xbox and Playstation, thank you very much.
2. Second problem: where are the Nintendo games that will compel me to buy a Wii U? They are nowhere on the horizon.
3. Third problem: advertising and marketing for this thing has been horrible. Most people don't know the Wii U exists, and those that do think it's a peripheral for the Wii U. A highly overpriced peripheral. Nintendo has been horrible at communicating what the value proposition for the Wii U is, if there is any.
4. Fourth problem: Poor hardware, baffling software decisions like launching with a half baked OS, promised apps not available at launch, and problems like software and accounts being locked to your console (what's the point then?) show us that they didn't learn anything.
5. Fifth problem: an absolutely empty release slate. What, exactly, is releasing on the Wii U this year that I should be looking forward to or be excited about?LegatoSkyheart

Those points don't make the WiiU's launch "worse" than the 3DS's launch, EXCEPT the OS problems which there SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The Other Point I'll go with is the Advertising. Nintendo's Marketing Department is probably THE WORST, or perhaps it's NOA's Marketing that sucks, cause commercials in Japan and Europe seem alright.

So Problem #3 and #4 I give to you.

Problem #1: Yes a lot of those games are Multiplats, but what matter does that make? If you were going to get a WiiU and plan on getting say Darksiders II, why not get Darksiders II on the WiiU? Me, I got Assassin's Creed 3 for the WiiU, why did I do that? Wait extra long to play a game that's been on other platforms for a few weeks? So I can have something to play on my WiiU! It's that simple, Other games I can give you like Mass Effect 3, Why play it? It's just 1/3 of the real game, but games Like Tekken Tag 2 or Darksiders 2 or Assassin's Creed 3, They're on other platforms, but they're also pretty NEW. Not everyone goes to the store Launch day and buys a game on it's Launch day. They're not Spoiled Milk just yet.

Problem #2: Sadly, you're probably going to be waiting till E3 for this. Nintendo is just hush hush right now for their games right now, the only project they have given light to so far is Pokemon X and Y. They have other Projects this year for the 3DS, but it's been out for awhile this is expected for what is going to be 3DS's 2nd full year.

Problem #5: This should be bundled with Problem #2. There are multiple reasons why there doesn't seem to be enough 3rd Party going on to the WiiU system (even though it's clear it has the same capabilities of the 360 and PS3, why not put Dead Space 3 on WiiU? why not put Bioshock on WiiU?). All of those reasons though are subjective and speculation. One I can think of is that adding another platform would just raise the Development Costs and would just be a hassle. PC games already get delays from Console versions and I can only think it's because of the Developer's Budget. It's cheaper to port a game already made than to make the game ground up and optimized for the system. So while the WiiU may not get the latest 3rd Party game right away, it might get them later down the road, because it's cheaper, but then again all I'm spouting out is just speculation, there could actually be media bias with them, or whatever I don't know. All I can say is that you're going to have to wait till E3, because from the looks of things, Nintendo ain't saying anything about their offerings.

After all that is said and done, you're still convinced that the 3DS which had a very poor launch line up and also had some 3rd Party fallouts to be "BETTER" than what the WiiU has now?

you broke the thread?

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Yet the Wii U attach rate is 1.2 LOL

ME3, NG3 and Arkham City are old ass games that everyones played on the 360 / PS3. BLOPS2 and AC3, better on 360. So you have a rehashed Mario game, you typical weak ubisoft launch game and Nintendoland, nintendos failed attempt to recreate something a simple and great as wii sports.

LegatoSkyheart

Arkham City I can give you because it's been 1 year since that game released.

Mass Effect 3 and Ninja Gaiden 3 came out IN 2012. That's hardly "Old", but Ninja Gaiden 3 for the WiiU has some stuff in it that the other versions DON'T have either.

Assassin's Creed 3 also from what I've heard around the roost had Technical Problems across the board. ZombiU despite it's lackluster Hit with the Critics seems to actually be somewhat of a hit with other people. And Nintendo Land is actually pretty good, just ask anyone with a WiiU and has played it with Friends and Family.

Mario U is one of the Better New Super Mario Titles and Black OPs 2 is only "better on 360" because of Microsoft's AD deal with Activision of "Me First Attitude."

Who at Nintendo thought it was a good idea to release a next generation console with hardware comparable to current generation consoles and name it "Wii U" as a knock off of the Wii that so many people have lost interest in? Not to mention the name "Wii U" just sounds retarded to begin with.

3DS was doing terrible at the start too, I just doubt Nintendo is willing to drop the price substantially like they did with the 3DS to boost sales. The WII U just isn't an attractive console, it's more of the same. The hardware is just pathetic for 2013, and consumers aren't interested in it because of the tiny jump in hardware and gimmicks, hell even most devs aren't interested in it. People have been tired of motion controls for awhile now, and nobody was asking for a screen on a controller, it's unnecessary.

When Nintendo bleeds upwards of a billion dollars every year, like Sony does, then they'll be in a crisis. Well, after they do that consistently for about 85 years, anyway.

Yes, Nintendo is worth $85 billion.

How about those Vita sales Atarikid? Sure is setting the world on fire huh?

Shinobishyguy

The thing with the Vita is though it at least has good hardware for what it is, so all it really needs is a price drop and a few big games and it should be fine. The Wii U has bigger problems as its casual fanbase that supported the Wii has abandoned them.

lolAtarikid

the home console market was not as big as it is now during the xbox gc ps2 gen remember xbox only outsold gamecube by a very small margin , dc sold only 10 million ,

ps2 and gba took the majority that gen so comparing wiiu to gc would be dumb , and calling it dead in a month is to early , vita has been out a year thats the platform id be worried about being dead cause it is far below wiiu and wii numbers world wide,

i dare you to call wiiu dead now

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

How about those Vita sales Atarikid? Sure is setting the world on fire huh?

AM-Gamer

The thing with the Vita is though it at least has good hardware for what it is, so all it really needs is a price drop and a few big games and it should be fine. The Wii U has bigger problems as its casual fanbase that supported the Wii has abandoned them.

call of duty ac3 i thought those were its saving grace, now you change your mind huh lol , sorry pal vita is dead wii u is not

So how's those Vita sales going Atari kid?

The Wii U was made to fail. Nintendo made the system all wrong with that tablet controller. They should've made the system itself better and used regular controllers. Sad that they just release a system and it still doesn't catch up to what the PS3 and 360 can do.

clr84651

Wii was bought by a crapload of soccer moms, elderly and little kids aka. casuals, all who normally would not gone out and get a game system. Very soon they dropped it and it became the dust collector. Now they have seen this whole "gaming" thing and are not interested anymore, or the rare few that got hooked in to gaming from owning a wii, they want bigger and better things now and the wii u is not delivering

How's the Vita and Sony's stocks going...

3D Mario U, Zelda U, Smash Bros. U & then DAT JUGGERNAUT!!!!! MARIO KART U might have something to say about your doomsday predictions TC. But I guess we'll see.

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

SonyNintendoFan

[QUOTE="SonyNintendoFan"]

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

burgeg

Should of called it The Wii 2.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="SonyNintendoFan"]

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="SonyNintendoFan"]

When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.

Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.

RR360DD

The Gamecube has all those franchises, and only sold 24 million. I suspect a similar fate for the Wii U.

All Nintendo needs to do is release a Mario Kart and they'll be back on top.Zeviander

Or release Smash Bros U.

lolAtarikid

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