Nintendo Wii U problems turn into a crisis.
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Nintendo just needs some killer apps. There really are no good games on the Wii U. -Renegade
NSMBU and Nintendo Land are good games but they are an already seen 2D platformer and a party game. (which means it's senseless to play it on your own)
And ZombiU is "like it or hate it" kind of game.
The system does need more "heavy-hitters", true...
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
How about those Vita sales Atarikid? Sure is setting the world on fire huh?
Shinobishyguy
This topic isn't about that.
Mongoloids like Atarikid were quoting the exact same type of articles when the 3ds was doing bad.Look at how that turned out.
This is about the Wii U. Not handhelds. Just because the 3ds worked out doesn't mean it equals the same for the Wii U. Nintendo's handhelds have always outsold others by a lot. Nintendo's consoles do not always outsell Sony's. The PS4 has the very liklihood of being 1st in sales if Sony makes itright, prices it right, and releases it at a good time.
I think to make real predictions and come up with conclusions one should wait for E3 2013, all statements prior to E3 are simply stupid and invalid. Same goes for Vita bashers. After E3 you can say whatever you want...
V3rciS
We're talking about how the Wii U is doing as of it's launch, and that is very lackluster compared to what it was expected to do.
I think to make real predictions and come up with conclusions one should wait for E3 2013, all statements prior to E3 are simply stupid and invalid. Same goes for Vita bashers. After E3 you can say whatever you want...
V3rciS
I agree about this in terms of predicting the Wii-U being an overall failure or not, but the Vita? That has been out for some time and hasn't proven itself at ALL! I feel perfectly comfortable calling the Vita a failure on all fronts at this point...
Metroid and Zelda don't sell home consoles.When the Zelda U, 3D Mario U, Smash Bros. U, and Metroid U get announced at E3, it will sell.
Remember, 3DS was in the same post launch boat as Wii U is now. Then E3 2011 came and it was all good. Lets wait till E3 2013 before proclaiming any fail, because i am sure some awesome games will be shown and everyone will see Wii U's bright future.
SonyNintendoFan
[QUOTE="V3rciS"]
I think to make real predictions and come up with conclusions one should wait for E3 2013, all statements prior to E3 are simply stupid and invalid. Same goes for Vita bashers. After E3 you can say whatever you want...
clr84651
We're talking about how the Wii U is doing as of it's launch, and that is very lackluster compared to what it was expected to do.
Well okay you're talking about it's launch but man should we really bother with how a console performs at launch? It's been released like what not even 2 months ago? You don't really expect a respectable game's library after 2 months, do you? As people mentioned 3ds had a poor launch yet it's selling perfectly at the moment.
I agree about this in terms of predicting the Wii-U being an overall failure or not, but the Vita? That has been out for some time and hasn't proven itself at ALL! I feel perfectly comfortable calling the Vita a failure on all fronts at this point...
LostProphetFLCL
Vita's not dead yet... it still has at least a year to prove if it's future is good or gloomy. I think E3 will prove many people wrong and change a lot of things, things people were pretty sure about and would even bet their kidney's on.
So my point is that E3 2013 and maybe E3 2014 will be the most critical for this new generation and will have a huge impact on the gaming industry.
Vita's not dead yet... it still has at least a year to prove if it's future is good or gloomy. I think E3 will prove many people wrong and change a lot of things, things people were pretty sure about and would even bet their kidney's on.
So my point is that E3 2013 and maybe E3 2014 will be the most critical for this new generation and will have a huge impact on the gaming industry.V3rciS
The Vita has had it's chance and it has continually been stomped by the 3DS in every way. The 3DS along with smartphones have a COMPLETE stranglehold on the mobile market. The Vita simply has NO CHANCE and I think even Sony realizes this. They haven't really done much of anything with the system.
[QUOTE="V3rciS"]
Vita's not dead yet... it still has at least a year to prove if it's future is good or gloomy. I think E3 will prove many people wrong and change a lot of things, things people were pretty sure about and would even bet their kidney's on.
So my point is that E3 2013 and maybe E3 2014 will be the most critical for this new generation and will have a huge impact on the gaming industry.LostProphetFLCL
The Vita has had it's chance and it has continually been stomped by the 3DS in every way. The 3DS along with smartphones have a COMPLETE stranglehold on the mobile market. The Vita simply has NO CHANCE and I think even Sony realizes this. They haven't really done much of anything with the system.
And I do strongly believe that only if Sony would reduce it's price a little bit more, and I am pretty sure they will do that at some point. Vita's future will change dramatically.
Anyway let's not argue about Vita here, there've been many threads already and I think this topic is about "Wii U's doooomsday"
To me the biggest issue is the naming scheme (confusing) and the half a step generational leap. The controller is fine imo. Why would you name it the Wii-U? Are those grandmas and soccer moms going to look at the name Wii-U and think it is the new Wii? You captured casual attention with a motion controller, now you take a half step back to sitting on the couch and they expected to gain sales? The whole reason the Wii sold well was because of the motion controller. I think Nintendo is run by idiots sometimes. This doesn't even include launching without any killer apps. A 2D mario? Really? That is your trump card? And Pikmin isn't a killer app, so they are essentially going almost a year without a killer app.Human-after-allPretty much this.
People bought the Wii because Nintendo sold people on the idea that it was a system that would make players more active, and God willing, trick those kids into getting some exercise for once. The Wii U does not have that going for it, and on top of that the novelty of the original Wii is gone.
And seriously, WTF was Nintendo thinking with that launch lineup? With the Wii, Nintendo had a killer app for the system as a pack-in: Wii Sports. That was the game that probably 80% of Wii owners bought the system for, and it was included right out of the box. With Wii U, the big launch games are Nintendo Land, which is a glorified tech demo / tutorial, and New Super Mario Bros U, which is a rehash of a 2D game that on any other system would have been sold for $15 as a downloadable game. At what point does "New" Super Mario Bros. stop being "new" in Nintendo's kooky minds? They've been making these friggin' games for like 5 years, and it's still basically the same thing.
The N64 launched with friggin' Super Mario 64-- one of the most important 3D games ever released. The Wii U is the first console since then to launch with a Mario game, and what do they put out? New Super Mario Bros U-- a game almost completely devoid of innovation; an upgraded port with remixed levels and some arbitrary new gamepad features, but other than that is about as generic a rehash as you can get.
Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo is this way because they have extreme management problems that prevent the company from producing great products like they used to, but now I am starting to wonder if they just don't give a crap anymore, and just throw whatever they can slap together quickly at the wall and hope something sticks.
[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]To me the biggest issue is the naming scheme (confusing) and the half a step generational leap. The controller is fine imo. Why would you name it the Wii-U? Are those grandmas and soccer moms going to look at the name Wii-U and think it is the new Wii? You captured casual attention with a motion controller, now you take a half step back to sitting on the couch and they expected to gain sales? The whole reason the Wii sold well was because of the motion controller. I think Nintendo is run by idiots sometimes. This doesn't even include launching without any killer apps. A 2D mario? Really? That is your trump card? And Pikmin isn't a killer app, so they are essentially going almost a year without a killer app.TimstuffPretty much this.People bought the Wii because Nintendo sold people on the idea that it was a system that would make players more active, and God willing, trick those kids into getting some exercise for once. The Wii U does not have that going for it, and on top of that the novelty of the original Wii is gone.And seriously, WTF was Nintendo thinking with that launch lineup? With the Wii, Nintendo had a killer app for the system as a pack-in: Wii Sports. That was the game that probably 80% of Wii owners bought the system for, and it was included right out of the box. With Wii U, the big launch games are Nintendo Land, which is a glorified tech demo / tutorial, and New Super Mario Bros U, which is a rehash of a 2D game that on any other system would have been sold for $15 as a downloadable game. At what point does "New" Super Mario Bros. stop being "new" in Nintendo's kooky minds? They've been making these friggin' games for like 5 years, and it's still basically the same thing.The N64 launched with friggin' Super Mario 64-- one of the most important 3D games ever released. The Wii U is the first console since then to launch with a Mario game, and what do they put out? New Super Mario Bros U-- a game almost completely devoid of innovation; an upgraded port with remixed levels and some arbitrary new gamepad features, but other than that is about as generic a rehash as you can get.Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo is this way because they have extreme management problems that prevent the company from producing great products like they used to, but now I am starting to wonder if they just don't give a crap anymore, and just throw whatever they can slap together quickly at the wall and hope something sticks.what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|
If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this.
Pretty much this.People bought the Wii because Nintendo sold people on the idea that it was a system that would make players more active, and God willing, trick those kids into getting some exercise for once. The Wii U does not have that going for it, and on top of that the novelty of the original Wii is gone.And seriously, WTF was Nintendo thinking with that launch lineup? With the Wii, Nintendo had a killer app for the system as a pack-in: Wii Sports. That was the game that probably 80% of Wii owners bought the system for, and it was included right out of the box. With Wii U, the big launch games are Nintendo Land, which is a glorified tech demo / tutorial, and New Super Mario Bros U, which is a rehash of a 2D game that on any other system would have been sold for $15 as a downloadable game. At what point does "New" Super Mario Bros. stop being "new" in Nintendo's kooky minds? They've been making these friggin' games for like 5 years, and it's still basically the same thing.The N64 launched with friggin' Super Mario 64-- one of the most important 3D games ever released. The Wii U is the first console since then to launch with a Mario game, and what do they put out? New Super Mario Bros U-- a game almost completely devoid of innovation; an upgraded port with remixed levels and some arbitrary new gamepad features, but other than that is about as generic a rehash as you can get.Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo is this way because they have extreme management problems that prevent the company from producing great products like they used to, but now I am starting to wonder if they just don't give a crap anymore, and just throw whatever they can slap together quickly at the wall and hope something sticks.what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"]To me the biggest issue is the naming scheme (confusing) and the half a step generational leap. The controller is fine imo. Why would you name it the Wii-U? Are those grandmas and soccer moms going to look at the name Wii-U and think it is the new Wii? You captured casual attention with a motion controller, now you take a half step back to sitting on the couch and they expected to gain sales? The whole reason the Wii sold well was because of the motion controller. I think Nintendo is run by idiots sometimes. This doesn't even include launching without any killer apps. A 2D mario? Really? That is your trump card? And Pikmin isn't a killer app, so they are essentially going almost a year without a killer app.Shinobishyguy
If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this. People said the first few NSMB games were the best 2D mario since the SNES as well which means it's a BS excuse that makes no sense. Also casuals saved Nintendo with the Wii, you just said that Nintendoland is more in depth. The issue is right there, it's not trying to be overly simple and targets loyal(not casual) fans of the series inside of Nintendo land. It shows the fans are dissapointed and that causlas have no interest with the low Wii u sales.
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Timstuff"] Pretty much this.People bought the Wii because Nintendo sold people on the idea that it was a system that would make players more active, and God willing, trick those kids into getting some exercise for once. The Wii U does not have that going for it, and on top of that the novelty of the original Wii is gone.And seriously, WTF was Nintendo thinking with that launch lineup? With the Wii, Nintendo had a killer app for the system as a pack-in: Wii Sports. That was the game that probably 80% of Wii owners bought the system for, and it was included right out of the box. With Wii U, the big launch games are Nintendo Land, which is a glorified tech demo / tutorial, and New Super Mario Bros U, which is a rehash of a 2D game that on any other system would have been sold for $15 as a downloadable game. At what point does "New" Super Mario Bros. stop being "new" in Nintendo's kooky minds? They've been making these friggin' games for like 5 years, and it's still basically the same thing.The N64 launched with friggin' Super Mario 64-- one of the most important 3D games ever released. The Wii U is the first console since then to launch with a Mario game, and what do they put out? New Super Mario Bros U-- a game almost completely devoid of innovation; an upgraded port with remixed levels and some arbitrary new gamepad features, but other than that is about as generic a rehash as you can get.Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo is this way because they have extreme management problems that prevent the company from producing great products like they used to, but now I am starting to wonder if they just don't give a crap anymore, and just throw whatever they can slap together quickly at the wall and hope something sticks.Limshowronwhat the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|
If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this. People said the first few NSMB games were the best 2D mario since the SNES as well which means it's a BS excuse that makes no sense. .except no one said that about the DS and 3DS games :|
People said the first few NSMB games were the best 2D mario since the SNES as well which means it's a BS excuse that makes no sense. .except no one said that about the DS and 3DS games :| Except they did for the Wii game.[QUOTE="Limshowron"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|
If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this.Shinobishyguy
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]except no one said that about the DS and 3DS games :| Except they did for the Wii game.exactly, the wii one was great and the wii u one is even better than that, actually coming in close with Mario World in terms of level design and challenge[QUOTE="Limshowron"] People said the first few NSMB games were the best 2D mario since the SNES as well which means it's a BS excuse that makes no sense. .Limshowron
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]except no one said that about the DS and 3DS games :| Except they did for the Wii game. And they would be right. The last 2D Mario before NSMB1 was on the SNES. The game after that was NSMBWii. It was better than NSMB1. Therefore NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES.[QUOTE="Limshowron"] People said the first few NSMB games were the best 2D mario since the SNES as well which means it's a BS excuse that makes no sense. .Limshowron
[QUOTE="Limshowron"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]except no one said that about the DS and 3DS games :|Willy105Except they did for the Wii game. And they would be right. The last 2D Mario before NSMB1 was on the SNES. The game after that was NSMBWii. It was better than NSMB1. Therefore NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES. he last 2D after the SNES was on the GBA.... Also what does that dates have to do with quality? Nothing.
[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Limshowron"] Except they did for the Wii game.LimshowronAnd they would be right. The last 2D Mario before NSMB1 was on the SNES. The game after that was NSMBWii. It was better than NSMB1. Therefore NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES. he last 2D after the SNES was on the GBA.... .those were ports of the games from the Mario Allstar Collection on the SNES.
The gba never had it's own mario platformer
he last 2D after the SNES was on the GBA.... .those were ports of the games from the Mario Allstar Collection on the SNES.[QUOTE="Limshowron"][QUOTE="Willy105"] And they would be right. The last 2D Mario before NSMB1 was on the SNES. The game after that was NSMBWii. It was better than NSMB1. Therefore NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES.Shinobishyguy
The gba never had it's own mario platformer Mario Vs. Donkyekong. Also more read above post.
[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Limshowron"] he last 2D after the SNES was on the GBA.... Also what does that dates have to do with quality? Nothing.LimshowronThere was no 2D Mario on the GBA. They ported the NES and SNES Mario games to it, but NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario in over 15 years. Dates have nothing to do with quality, but it has to do with why they said it was the best 2D Mario since the SNES. Remakes are not ports. Including SMB Deluxe. And the Mario Vs. Donkey kong games. I also would include SPP as well.they're ports of the remakes from the snes collection dipsh*t
Also Mario vs DK was more of a puzzle game than an actual platformer
[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Limshowron"] he last 2D after the SNES was on the GBA.... Also what does that dates have to do with quality? Nothing.LimshowronThere was no 2D Mario on the GBA. They ported the NES and SNES Mario games to it, but NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario in over 15 years. Dates have nothing to do with quality, but it has to do with why they said it was the best 2D Mario since the SNES. Remakes are not ports. Including SMB Deluxe. And the Mario Vs. Donkey kong games. I also would include SPP as well.
Remake or not, Super Mario Bros. was released in 1985. It wasn't a new game, even if it had new stuff in it (like Game Boy Printer support).
Mario vs. Donkey Kong are not 2D Mario games, they are in the same franchise as the Donkey Kong games that predate Super Mario Bros. Super Princess Peach is as much a Mario game as Wario Land is (as in, it is not).
NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario since Super Mario World. That is not a debatable fact. Whether NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since SMW is debatable, now that there have been two more games after it; but if people said in 2008 that NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES because they liked it over NSMB1, they would have been correct.
Remakes are not ports. Including SMB Deluxe. And the Mario Vs. Donkey kong games. I also would include SPP as well.[QUOTE="Limshowron"][QUOTE="Willy105"] There was no 2D Mario on the GBA. They ported the NES and SNES Mario games to it, but NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario in over 15 years. Dates have nothing to do with quality, but it has to do with why they said it was the best 2D Mario since the SNES. Willy105
Remake or not, Super Mario Bros. was released in 1985. It wasn't a new game, even if it had new stuff in it (like Game Boy Printer support).
Mario vs. Donkey Kong are not 2D Mario games, they are in the same franchise as the Donkey Kong games that predate Super Mario Bros. Super Princess Peach is as much a Mario game as Wario Land is (as in, it is not).
NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario since Super Mario World. That is not a debatable fact. Whether NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since SMW is debatable, now that there have been two more games after it; but if people said in 2008 that NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES because they liked it over NSMB1, they would have been correct.
Yoshis Island. Also Mario Vs. Donkey kong in almost all my research shows it's in the Mario series so stop the DC.[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Limshowron"] Remakes are not ports. Including SMB Deluxe. And the Mario Vs. Donkey kong games. I also would include SPP as well.LimshowronRemake or not, Super Mario Bros. was released in 1985. It wasn't a new game, even if it had new stuff in it (like Game Boy Printer support).Mario vs. Donkey Kong are not 2D Mario games, they are in the same franchise as the Donkey Kong games that predate Super Mario Bros. Super Princess Peach is as much a Mario game as Wario Land is (as in, it is not).NSMB1 was the first 2D Mario since Super Mario World. That is not a debatable fact. Whether NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since SMW is debatable, now that there have been two more games after it; but if people said in 2008 that NSMBWii was the best 2D Mario since the SNES because they liked it over NSMB1, they would have been correct. Yoshis Island. Also Mario Vs. Donkey kong in almost all my research shows it's in the Mario series so stop the DC.yoshi's island was also on the snes you blithering f*cknugget
What he said still stands :|
Wait until Sony releases a PS4 with a tablet controller for $600+. People will go flocking to the WiiU or NextBox.RyanShazamNot gonna happen, $300 playstation = competition 90 million units behind, word.
The problem is, Nintendo hasn't given anyone a real reason to get a Wii U yet. People thought the Wii was really interesting, motion was so new that it could sell without a lot of games and bad graphics. When a new console comes out, it has to have a selling point. For the 360 and PS3 it was the graphics that got people interested for a start.
But the Wii U is different, it's essentially an Xbox 360/PS3 in terms of graphics, but without games and a tablet controller, that people don't understand the benefits of. If anyone can turn this around it's Nintendo, but after two e3s struggling to sell the idea, alarm bells should have started ringing.
It's too early to say they're in trouble, but it's going to be a hard sell I think. I personally haven't seen anything i'd want from it yet.
I also think that opting for the current standard of gpu performance was a bad move. The current standard has been rinsed so hard for so long, that I think people might be getting bored of it. I am to a degree. I enjoy current gen graphics, but I wouldn't buy another console that was based on it at this point.
Meh...this isn't shocking. No reason to buy this thing yet. Nintendo better show the goods at E3 or 2013 is going to be a very very rough year for the WiiU.
The problem is, Nintendo hasn't given anyone a real reason to get a Wii U yet. People thought the Wii was really interesting, motion was so new that it could sell without a lot of games and bad graphics. When a new console comes out, it has to have a selling point. For the 360 and PS3 it was the graphics that got people interested for a start.
But the Wii U is different, it's essentially an Xbox 360/PS3 in terms of graphics, but without games and a tablet controller, that people don't understand the benefits of. If anyone can turn this around it's Nintendo, but after two e3s struggling to sell the idea, alarm bells should have started ringing.
It's too early to say they're in trouble, but it's going to be a hard sell I think. I personally haven't seen anything i'd want from it yet.
I also think that opting for the current standard of gpu performance was a bad move. The current standard has been rinsed so hard for so long, that I think people might be getting bored of it. I am to a degree. I enjoy current gen graphics, but I wouldn't buy another console that was based on it at this point.
HalcyonScarlet
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what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|It does not matter if Nintendoland has more depth than Wii Sports-- Wii Sports sold because Nintendo tricked parents into thinking it would make their kids exercise, and Nintendoland does not have that going for it. If the Wii's controller gimmick did not allow for a marketing campaign that made it look like an actual physical activity (instead of the wagglefest that it turned out to be), like, for example, using some kind of tablet for the controls, it would probably have sold about the same as the Gamecube.If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this.
Shinobishyguy
Wii-U does not have the "it will make you and your kids exercise" gimmick going for it. Instead, it looks like a system that comes with an inferior version of something that looks like an iPad or Android, which most people either already have or already want more than a game system. Motion controls are what sold the Wii, whereas the Wii U is another game system for the usual couch potatoes.
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this.TimstuffIt does not matter if Nintendoland has more depth than Wii Sports-- Wii Sports sold because Nintendo tricked parents into thinking it would make their kids exercise, and Nintendoland does not have that going for it. If the Wii's controller gimmick did not allow for a marketing campaign that made it look like an actual physical activity (instead of the wagglefest that it turned out to be), like, for example, using some kind of tablet for the controls, it would probably have sold about the same as the Gamecube.Wii-U does not have the "it will make you and your kids exercise" gimmick going for it. Instead, it looks like a system that comes with an inferior version of something that looks like an iPad or Android, which most people either already have or already want more than a game system. Motion controls are what sold the Wii, whereas the Wii U is another game system for the usual couch potatoes.marketing and casuals aside I just find it funny how you call it a techdemo when it has far more substance than wiisports ever did.
It does not matter if Nintendoland has more depth than Wii Sports-- Wii Sports sold because Nintendo tricked parents into thinking it would make their kids exercise, and Nintendoland does not have that going for it. If the Wii's controller gimmick did not allow for a marketing campaign that made it look like an actual physical activity (instead of the wagglefest that it turned out to be), like, for example, using some kind of tablet for the controls, it would probably have sold about the same as the Gamecube.Wii-U does not have the "it will make you and your kids exercise" gimmick going for it. Instead, it looks like a system that comes with an inferior version of something that looks like an iPad or Android, which most people either already have or already want more than a game system. Motion controls are what sold the Wii, whereas the Wii U is another game system for the usual couch potatoes.marketing and casuals aside I just find it funny how you call it a techdemo when it has far more substance than wiisports ever did.That's not saying much, though. From the perspective of core gamers, it's still an inferior launch title to what Nintendo offered before they adopted the "blue ocean" policy.[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]what the flying f*ck man? nintendo land has way more depth than wii sports and New Super Mario Bros. U is the best 2d mario since the SNES :|If you weren't just a mindless troll looking to get your kicks in you'd know this.Shinobishyguy
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