Nintendo will crush sony and microsoft

If they put faster hardware in it then it will be more expensive, it's just how it works.

The only way to make something cheaper is the make cheaper hardware, when better manufacturing processes come along next year then everybody will have cheaper and more efficient hardware.

that's true but then they started working together with each other again. You're confusing the cooperation for the snes cd and the nintendo playstation.

It was the Play Station...two words. One project. I'm not confusing anything.

It wasnt one project, the cooperation started as a cd addon for the snes. Sony and philips co invented the compact disc so nintendo needed one of them to make a cd addon for the snes but sony didn't want to make a snes cd addon .

They want to make a system with a cd drive that was compatible with the snes, the nintendo playstation. Nintendo agreed to the deal but changed their minds afterwards and that's why they went to philips so they could supply a snes cd addon.

The partnerning with philips didn't result in the snes cd addon as well. Philips made their own multimedia system too, the philips cd-i but let nintendo make games for it.

Nintendo partnered up again with sony to continue to work on a joint system but they ended up disagreeing again because sony didn't agree with nintendo terms

Sony went to make the playstation and nintendo went to made the n64.

If you think Nintendo is losing because of their hardware, you're as clueless as them. They're losing because they're clueless.

@commander:

Not quite. They didn't exactly ever work together after Nintendo dissed Sony. They tried to come to terms to continue the project but never did agree to anything and Sony went on and made their own console. Which effectively bit Nintendo in the ass.

Nintendo will never again release a console that's more powerful or as powerful as its competitors within the same generation. They're a shitty company that likes to push gimmick features instead while alienating third parties.

This thread can be summed up in this picture....

I'm not buying an NX, given how they dropped Wii U support so early like fucking hell I'm following them down their next foolish endeavor.

I haven't bought a Nintendo system since the GC and that was because Resident Evil was exclusive to the GC for sometime until RE4 came.out for the PS2 after a few months.

Nintendo has a long climb up, if it wants to compete with Sony and Microsoft.

@quadknight said:

This thread can be summed up in this picture....

as hard as it is, you're actually right for once.

While I've had great experiences with it (Bayo 2, Super Mario 3D World), The Wii U situation is such a hot mess that I can't really blame them for wanting a clean start. But yeah, I can see why you're frustrated.

Does that make you willing to buy the NX? I think its sad what they're doing. It was June and 4 games total had been released.

I'm excited for Chronicles X, but after that? Zelda maybe.

I can't really say until I see games. If there's something I really want on NX, I'd buy it. Not going to deny myself enjoyment because of Ninty's inability to get their shit together. But yeah, the Wii U situation is sad. They fucked up so bad.

I too am excited for Xenoblade. Loved the first one.

Missed it, thought about getting the 3Ds version heard its pretty decent.

I wont deny myself fun either, but me personally I have grown fatigued with their first party. I still like Metroid and Zelda though.

the Wii U has almost no support from Nintendo themselves!!!

@psx_warrior: Nintendo is supporting it basically by themselves since day one. People love to rag on them for not releasing enough titles, but its a one man ship. ( Their own damn fault. They deserve everything they get for that tbh.)

At the end of the day. Sony and esp. MS couldn't run on 1st party alone ( Hell, they're barely have 1st party studios) At this point, and going back to the Gamecube, Nintendo themselves can't keep the boat afloat. They got arrogant and lazy off the Wii, and thats why the fucked up this gen.

Yeah of course nintendo could do this. I actually thought they would have done it with the wii u. But actually nintendo did good not releasing a powerfull console because it wouldn't have gotten any momentum. The ps3 and x360 had too much games and too much customers.

But it's different now, the x1 and ps4 are selling like hotcakes but it aren't really successfull systems. A lot of people buy them because there's nothing else, the pc has no games either. Courtesy of the coup that sony and ms did back in 2005-2006. A lot of people wouldn't think twice buying something that's innovative now

The only thing that's innovative right now is vr but not everyone is waiting for it. Most people want good games, something that doesn't really exist right now and I doubt there will be much innovation in the future, those next gen consoles are too weak.

IF nintendo would release a monster hunter game that makes use of amuch stronger system than the ps4 then tha's day 1 one buy for me and i'm not even a nintendo fan. I don't know if nintendo even needs samsung. I mean you can buy a 7970 for next to nothing now and that blows the ps4's gpu out of the water. The cpu's that are double the speed of the ps4 cpu's aren't really that expensive either.

I can't imagine nintendo wouldn't release a console like that. A comparable system in power like the ps4 and x1 isn't going to sway a lot of players. A weaker system isn't possible either since that system would not be that different from the wii u.

It could have a certain gimmick, or maybe it has vr but everyone already has that. Besides vr would benefit greatly from a stronger system. So the chance nintendo is releasing a powerhouse console is very very big. I mean nintendo isn't forced to make a console but their making one , i can't imagine they're that stupid by releasing not something that's significantly stronger than the x1 and ps4.

So what happened with the Sega Saturn seeing as how it released before PS1?

It was only released a couple of months before the playstation. IT also wasn't as good in 3d as the playstation and it was more difficult to code for.

yea sure nintendo will crush sony by the console's weight !!!! lol

The wii u with the tablet controller was already presented at e3 2011. The hardware specs weren't known then but there was a big chance that this wasn't going to be a powerhouse console since a lot of money was going to that tablet controller.

Not only that. The wii u was released in december 2012 so it went in production a year before that. Then the gpu in the ps4 and x1 wasn't even released yet (it released in march 2012). By then sony and ms already knew what nintendo was making.

Do you really think it is that hard for a multinational to find out what the competition is making when it is already in production, especially when it's happening in a company like foxconn, where workers work for next to nothing.

I'm afraid that all you have is conjecture and supposition to support your argument.

Trying coming up with some actual facts and solid evidence, until then I'll carry on doubting the validity of your theory.

Yeah of course,

but the fact remains that it is possible.

@commander: I'm not saying that it isn't possible and I don't have any evidence to refute your claims either. For me to believe them though I'd need actual proof.

Nintendo need to intentionally release low supply of their new console and raise false demand. Worked for Wii and amiibo, right?(especially amiibo)

It must be an interesting life to be obsessed with these company's profits.

Not with these kind of terms for third parties.

IT's not like the ps4 and x1 are releasing that many games either.

BEsides the xbox original only lasted 4 years as well, so the wii u is actually not that big of failure. It still does what i promised , you can play game on the tablet while the parents watched tv.

I mean if you bought the first wii , it was for the motion controls , not for triple AAA games.

Xbox sold 23+ million within those 4 years in an era where gaming wasn't yet considered a mass media. Wii U is probably just going to slightly pass 10 million and gaming is bigger now than it ever was. The Wii U is a gigantic failure.

That doesn't matter, people knew what they bought with the xbox original and people knew what they bought with the wii u. The wii u may have been a failure for nintendo but as a consumer , knowing the amount of games the wii received , then you knew what you were getting into.

And your argument that gaming wasn't considered mass media back then is ridiculous what planet are you from?

Gaming is popular since the eighties and in the time the xboxone released there were a lot more games releasing than today.

I stop right there .... Im really worried about your IQ

I have an iq of 150 btw

But yours probably is far from that, since you're taking this post way too seriously, on the other hand , let's see what nintendo does with the nx.

I hope you joking then

@commander: Your IQ has nothing to do with common sense.

If you honestly believe Nintendo purposely released an underpowered console (again) just to lull the others into a false sense of security and "force" them into going underpowered in return (even though they promptly ignored Nintendo's release and merely consulted with the third party instead) you are a maniac.

I am a maniac? double roll rofl

You sound like someone that thinks that doing business is the same as flower power.

You don't know what nintendo was up too, you also don't know how ms and sony reacted.

Nintendo is in this business longer than anyone so they know what they're doing. The wii was a genius move, and before that they never made a console that failed. Maybe less successfull but that's because mastodonts like ms and sony came into the business. So it's possible they waited their turn to release a powerfull console and released the wii u.

Because they had enough money to make a powerfull system with the wiiu, they could also released that console a lot sooner, it could have scored because the ps3 and X360 were already way past their capabilities.

But it's even a better time now since sony and ms released the weakest consoles in history.

Gaming was always massive but during the 6th generation it wasn't even comparable to movies and music. Wii was able to capitalize on a unexpected market and the popularity of video streaming and online gaming brought in people that normally wouldn't game at all. The Wii U is failure on both end. Some of the games are really good it is very far in between compared to any of the previous generation. Where's Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pokémon or even a Wii U original Zelda?

It's not because a lot of people bought more consoles instead of pc's that sudddenly non gamers started gaming. The consoles just replaced the pc for a lot of games. The fact that video streaming was possible on these systems doesn't make a non gamer a gamer.

People that don't like to game won't start gaming on the xbox because they use it for netflix. I will never use my computer for making music because i don't like it.

What happened in the 6th generation is that microsoft and sony sold us consoles with top end hardware for a bargain. A lot of pc gamers that needed to upgrade simply switched to a console for financial reasons. The wii was something different , because it had motion controls, that defenitely was a new market because that didn't exist yet, but that market was a lot smaller than you think.

People just bought a wii for the kids and it was nice to see that motion control at the same time. IF there wasn't a wii, they would have bought an xbox or used an older system. The whole 'casual gaming market' was a market that already existed on the pc and cellphones as well. So the wi was a perfect family system. The man could see the motion controls and do some light gaming, the wife could play her casual games or do fitness games and the kids were happy too.

The matter of the fact is , any serous gamer would not buy a wii or it was because your a ninty fan and.or you wanted those motion controls.

It's the same with the wii u. It's the successor of the wii, it has wii in it's name. This time the gimmick wasn't the motion controls but the tablet and that tablet is very usefull . You can let the kids play on while you're watching tv everybody happy. IF you were a nitnty fan , you got the ninty exclusives again (a zelda and metroid is in the making btw).

The wii could have had more games, a lot more games with motion controls. Like i always missed sword fighting games and boxing games but the matter of the fact is, it's very difficult to translate 3d movement onto a 2d screen, those motion controls will become a lot more interesting with VR.

I would have never bought the wii u , because that tablet was useless to me and i knew wii's don't get that many games and are mostly a family system. I'm not really a nitny fan either but I do like some of their games. if that console beats the ps4, i'm buying it.

So imo , if you bought a wii u and you're not happy, then that's your fault not nintendo's.

The Wii open the floodgate to grandma and soccer moms. They definitely would NOT buy an alternative if there weren't a Wii. One of the selling point of the Wii was it was seen as gaming machine that help kids get exercise. Serious gamer will buy a Nintendo machine no matter what because it's Nintendo.

And that last statement is like the dumbest shit I've read all day. I mean everyone got an opinion but some of them are just flat out wrong.

those grandma's and soccer moms had a pc and played whatever card game.

The fact that the wii was seen as a gaming machine that could help kids exercise is a selling point as any other. It's still a gaming machine. The brain training games were selling points as well. This wasn't going to bring consoles into a house where people don't like these things. I'm not going to buy a computer if i hate computers , even if can do so many things for me.

Parents that want their kids to exercise will let them do sports. Kids just want to play computer games, so if there wasn't any wii they would have gotten an xbox and it would have been good for their rational thinking or whatever. IF a lot of kids get a certain toy, then the rest follows, it's just how it works.

Nintendo managed to steal a lot of gamers from other systems, but they didn't find any hidden gamers. not enough to mention in these kind of discussion anyway That might have been possible in the eighties or nineties because gaming was new thing but in 2005 gaming was so widespread that people knew wether they like it or not. People don't live under rocks.

And you can disagree with my opinion and you probably wished that the wii u was something more. But if you took off your ninty fan glasses when the wii u released you would have known that this wasn't new system like when the gamecube or n64 released, but another wii.

Despite the stupidity of your claim that the Wii U's failure is some clever rouse to catch the competition off guard I will humor you. It is highly unlikely that the NX will be more powerful than the PS4 as Ninty is most likely attempting to recapture the lightning-in-a-bottle product that was the Wii. Besides power means next to nothing in terms of console sales/success. It is and always has been about the software. They have SUCKED ASS the past, what, four years in terms of supplying a steady stream of games? Yeah, shit's not going to change unless 3rd parties decide to make the effort to support 3 consoles which is also unlikely. Face it, unless they come up with another fad Nintendo is screwed.

Nintendo is already fucked

Seriously, the NX seems rather pointless at this stage.

Nintendo's fate in the console market has already been sealed barring the NX selling like fucking hotcakes. And let's be honest here...it won't.

They're essentially giving up on the Wii U after less than 3 years and will be attempting to launch a new console right during a time when both the PS4 and XBone will really be hitting their strides.

They're heading down the same path as Sega. They'll be out of the console market within 5 years and you'll be playing Mario and Zelda on the other platforms. Whoever can't see that is either blind or kidding themselves.

150 out of 240? IQ tests are not universal you know....

If you were that smart, you wouldn't even dare to boast an IQ of 150 knowing that it doesn't mean anything unless we all took the same test

Have you read anything any of the big Nintendo executives have said about their next video game devices dude?

Non gamers aren't buying an Xbox One for Netflix. Seriously dude. WTF.

That was not boasting. He basically said i was stupid so I thought it was relevant to give my iq score.

Give me any iq test and i will score close to 150 , since that number is an average , Iq tests are standardized more universal than you think.

but this has nothing to do with the topic.

Huh?

Who the **** pays $400 for a console just for Netflix?

You can go to Walmart and buy a $40 blu-ray player with wifi