Nintendo will pay for betraying the "hardcore" market

Maby not this gen, but eventually, when all the casuals and 12 year old girls get tired of the wii, they will wonder where all there true fanbase went. It might not happen untill next gen but when it does, I for one won't be around to bail them out.

What happened to you Nintendo? Its so sad to see you sell out for the almighty $.

When did they betray the hardcore?

When did they betray the hardcore?

AlexSays

When they decided to make New games like wii music instead of new ips that have depth and substance.

Or maby when the most hardcore game they introduced at E3 was Pikmin 3 which was only mentioned and not even shown.

Or maby when they made a system with no hd grafix and a total gimmick for a remote

Or maby when Reggie said 4 games a year for the core gamer should be enough

Need i go on?

Nintendo betrayed the hardcore by making AAA* games in all of their core franchises????

*goto game rankings and metacritic and search for Wii... mario platformer... zelda... metroid... brawl...

:lol: @ the hardcore acting like jilted ex-girlfriends.

Nintendo has betrayed no one. If you're even the tiniest bit objective, you would notice that with their previous releases and future releases.

Well the hardcore was abandoning them for years anyway. Nes had most sales, Snes had less, N64 had less again, GC had the least.

I don't think they'll be running out of customers for the Wii anytime soon anyway.

Maby not this gen, but eventually, when all the casuals and 12 year old girls get tired of the wii, they will wonder where all there true fanbase went. It might not happen untill next gen but when it does, I for one won't be around to bail them out.

What happened to you Nintendo? Its so sad to see you sell out for the almighty $.

grimhope

:lol:

Seriously, go balls out dramatic and email it to them.

I'm sure they'l abandon Wii production and make the console of your dreams!

Nintendo betrayed the hardcore by making AAA* games in all of their core franchises????

*goto game rankings and metacritic and search for Wii... mario platformer... zelda... metroid... brawl...

Senor_Kami

Didnt say they didnt make some previously good games. I loved Mario galaxy, Its my GOTY. Zelda was launch day, Metroid was nice, Brawl i personally dont care for....................But what else is there? Its been TWO YEARS and you give me 4 games?

Didnt say they didnt make some previously good games. I loved Mario galaxy, Its my GOTY. Zelda was launch day, Metroid was nice, Brawl i personally dont care for....................But what else is there? Its been TWO YEARS and you give me 4 games?

grimhope

They've offered more games than with their previous systems.

Read this thread.

It's not Nintendo's fault you don't like them.

I want to know how many of you have been playing nintendo games scince the NES? Im talking about being over 25 years old here and actually growing up in the NES and SNES era NOT THE N64 era?

I dont see how you could appreciate this gen from nintendo if you are a hardcore gamer that likes to play ALOT of games.

Maby not this gen, but eventually, when all the casuals and 12 year old girls get tired of the wii, they will wonder where all there true fanbase went. It might not happen untill next gen but when it does, I for one won't be around to bail them out.

What happened to you Nintendo? Its so sad to see you sell out for the almighty $.

grimhope

They will find new casuals and new kids. There will always be causals and kids. Besides, we were expecting they would get tired of the Wii a long time ago (it was supposed to be a fad), but that hasn't happened yet.

When they decided to make New games like wii music instead of new ips that have depth and substance.

Or maby when the most hardcore game they introduced at E3 was Pikmin 3 which was only mentioned and not even shown.

Or maby when they made a system with no hd grafix and a total gimmick for a remote

Or maby when Reggie said 4 games a year for the core gamer should be enough

Need i go on?

grimhope

- Brawl
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Metroid Prime 3
- Legend of Zelda: TP
- Battalion Wars 2
- Super Paper Mario
- Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
- Mario Kart Wii
- Disaster Day of Crisis
- Animal Crossing: City Folk
- Wario Land: Shake It!
- WiiWare

All that in the first two years from Nintendo alone.

2009 brings more titles like:
- Dynamic (new IP)
- Sin and Punishment 2
- Punch Out!! Wii
- Wii MotionPlus
- They announced I think two other new IPs at the Nintendo event
- Pikmin 3 is on its way
- Zelda team is working on Zelda, part of the team were working on Wii Fit and Wii Music but now are back to work on the new Zelda.

So really I fail to see your arguement here of them betraying their hardcore because of a mere five games geared towards casuals:
- Wii Sports
- Wii Play
- Wii Fit
- Wii Music
- Wii Sports: Resort

I didn't even BEGIN to mention the third party offerings like:
- World of Goo
- Mega Man 9
- No More Heroes
- Sonic and The Secret Rings
- Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
- Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
- Zack and Wiki
- De Blob
- No More Heroes
- Little King's Story
- Fragile
- Muramasa: The Demon Blade
- Capcom vs
- MadWorld
- The Conduit
- Arc Rise Fantasia
- Spore Wii
- Monster Hunter 3
- The House of The Dead Overkill
- ETC.

As a Wii owner, I feel so betrayed :roll:

[QUOTE="grimhope"]

Didnt say they didnt make some previously good games. I loved Mario galaxy, Its my GOTY. Zelda was launch day, Metroid was nice, Brawl i personally dont care for....................But what else is there? Its been TWO YEARS and you give me 4 games?

AlexSays

They've offered more games than with their previous systems.

Read this thread.

It's not Nintendo's fault you don't like them.

Who's fault is it then? Im 30 years old and have been a staunch nintendo supporter scince the NES! You are what 18-20 and started playing games in the N64 era? Dont tell me its not nintendo's fault I dont like them anymore, Its COMPLETLY THERE FAULT!

I want to know how many of you have been playing nintendo games scince the NES? Im talking about being over 25 years old here and actually growing up in the NES and SNES era NOT THE N64 era?

I dont see how you could appreciate this gen from nintendo if you are a hardcore gamer that likes to play ALOT of games.

grimhope

And they've offered more games at this point in time, than at the same point in time of their other consoles.

Why do you keep ignoring this?

You say you want more games, they've given you more.

Pretending you're 25 years old isn't making your argument any more logical.

Who's fault is it then? Im 30 years old and have been a staunch nintendo supporter scince the NES! You are what 18-20 and started playing games in the N64 era? Dont tell me its not nintendo's fault I dont like them anymore, Its COMPLETLY THERE FAULT!

grimhope

It's your fault.

They've given you more games, you don't like them.

That's your fault.

And saying everyone that is debating this is an adolescent, isn't helping earn you any respect.

you do realize that Nintendo's VC makes the Wii probably the most hardcore system out there lolspectravoid

The Wii is worth it for retroness alone imo.

[QUOTE="grimhope"]

When they decided to make New games like wii music instead of new ips that have depth and substance.

Or maby when the most hardcore game they introduced at E3 was Pikmin 3 which was only mentioned and not even shown.

Or maby when they made a system with no hd grafix and a total gimmick for a remote

Or maby when Reggie said 4 games a year for the core gamer should be enough

Need i go on?

Haziqonfire

- Brawl
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Metroid Prime 3
- Legend of Zelda: TP
- Battalion Wars 2
- Super Paper Mario
- Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
- Mario Kart Wii
- Disaster Day of Crisis
- Animal Crossing: City Folk
- Wario Land: Shake It!
- WiiWare

All that in the first two years from Nintendo alone.

2009 brings more titles like:
- Dynamic (new IP)
- Sin and Punishment 2
- Punch Out!! Wii
- Wii MotionPlus
- They announced I think two other new IPs at the Nintendo event
- Pikmin 3 is on its way
- Zelda team is working on Zelda, part of the team were working on Wii Fit and Wii Music but now are back to work on the new Zelda.

So really I fail to see your arguement here of them betraying their hardcore because of a mere five games geared towards casuals:
- Wii Sports
- Wii Play
- Wii Fit
- Wii Music
- Wii Sports: Resort

I didn't even BEGIN to mention the third party offerings like:
- World of Goo
- Mega Man 9
- No More Heroes
- Sonic and The Secret Rings
- Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
- Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
- Zack and Wiki
- De Blob
- No More Heroes
- Little King's Story
- Fragile
- Muramasa: The Demon Blade
- Capcom vs
- MadWorld
- The Conduit
- Arc Rise Fantasia
- Spore Wii
- Monster Hunter 3
- The House of The Dead Overkill
- ETC.

As a Wii owner, I feel so betrayed :roll:

And yet people will still complain. I can't even afford all those games in 2 years lol...

[QUOTE="grimhope"]

When they decided to make New games like wii music instead of new ips that have depth and substance.

Or maby when the most hardcore game they introduced at E3 was Pikmin 3 which was only mentioned and not even shown.

Or maby when they made a system with no hd grafix and a total gimmick for a remote

Or maby when Reggie said 4 games a year for the core gamer should be enough

Need i go on?

Haziqonfire

- Brawl
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Metroid Prime 3
- Legend of Zelda: TP
- Battalion Wars 2
- Super Paper Mario
- Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
- Mario Kart Wii
- Disaster Day of Crisis
- Animal Crossing: City Folk
- Wario Land: Shake It!
- WiiWare

All that in the first two years from Nintendo alone.

2009 brings more titles like:
- Dynamic (new IP)
- Sin and Punishment 2
- Punch Out!! Wii
- Wii MotionPlus
- They announced I think two other new IPs at the Nintendo event
- Pikmin 3 is on its way
- Zelda team is working on Zelda, part of the team were working on Wii Fit and Wii Music but now are back to work on the new Zelda.

So really I fail to see your arguement here of them betraying their hardcore because of a mere five games geared towards casuals:
- Wii Sports
- Wii Play
- Wii Fit
- Wii Music
- Wii Sports: Resort

I didn't even BEGIN to mention the third party offerings like:
- World of Goo
- Mega Man 9
- No More Heroes
- Sonic and The Secret Rings
- Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
- Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
- Zack and Wiki
- De Blob
- No More Heroes
- Little King's Story
- Fragile
- Muramasa: The Demon Blade
- Capcom vs
- MadWorld
- The Conduit
- Arc Rise Fantasia
- Spore Wii
- Monster Hunter 3
- The House of The Dead Overkill
- ETC.

As a Wii owner, I feel so betrayed :roll:

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games. If I want good third party support i will stick to my ps3 and xbox. But nintendo now only releases about 5 games a year In house (Or at least 5 in house games of any intrest).

When someone used to ask if I could only own one system this gen what would it be, my answer always used to be Nintendo!

Because i didnt want to be without my zelda, mario, metroid, etc etc. But now.................. I just feel betrayed.

Im sure the hardcore nintendo fans will argue to the death about this but thats just my opinion. And mark my words:

Nintendo in the same form as it is today will not be around for another 20 years

I want to know how many of you have been playing nintendo games scince the NES? Im talking about being over 25 years old here and actually growing up in the NES and SNES era NOT THE N64 era?

I dont see how you could appreciate this gen from nintendo if you are a hardcore gamer that likes to play ALOT of games.

grimhope

i am 24 grew up with the nes and you know what i love my wii it is my most played console since the 64 for multiplayer fun

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games.

grimhope

And they've released MORE games with the Wii, than they have with any other console.

What in the world are you trying to get at?

Wii as of August 2008

1 - Wii Sports
2 - Excite Truck
3 - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
4 - Wii Play
5 - WarioWare: Smooth Moves
6 - Super Paper Mario
7 - Mario Party 8
8 - Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
9 - Pokémon Battle Revolution
10 - Mario Strikers Charged
11 - Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
12 - Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
13 - Batallion Wars 2
14 - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
15 - Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega outside of Japan)
16 - Super Mario Galaxy
17 - Link's Crossbow Training
18 - Endless Ocean
19 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
20 - Mario Kart Wii
21 - Wii Fit
22 - Mario Super Sluggers
23 - Fatal Frame IV (Japan only)

GameCube as of August 2003

1 - Luigi's Mansion
2 - Pikmin
3 - Super Smash Bros. Melee
4 - Wave Race: Blue Storm
5 - Animal Crossing
6 - Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse
7 - Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
8 - Mario Party 4
9 - Metroid Prime
10 - NBA Courtside 2002
11 - Star Fox Adventures
12 - Super Mario Sunshine
13 - F-Zero GX
14 - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15 - Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
16 - Wario World

Nintendo 64 as of June 1998

1 - Super Mario 64
2 - Pilotwings 64
3 - Wave Race 64
4 - Killer Instinct Gold
5 - Cruis'n USA
6 - Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
7 - Mario Kart 64
8 - Blast Corps
9 - Bomberman 64
10 - Diddy Kong Racing
11 - GoldenEye 007
12 - Star Fox 64
13 - Tetrisphere
14 - Mischief Makers
15 - 1080° Snowboarding
16 - Banjo-Kazooie
17 - Cruis'n World
18 - Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
19 - Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey, Jr.
20 - Yoshi's Story

SNES as of May 1993

1 -Super Mario World
2 - F-Zero
3 - Pilotwings
4 - Sim City
5 - Super Tennis
6 - Mario Paint
7 - Super Mario Kart
8 - Super Scope 6
9 - Battle Clash
10 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
11 - Super Play Action Football
12 - NCAA Basketball
13 - Super Soccer
14 - Star Fox
15 - Vegas Stakes (1993 release, no info on month)
16 - Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge (1993 release, no info on month)

NES as of July 1987

1 - Excitebike
2 - Clu Clu Land
3 - Tennis
4 - Pinball (1984 Arcade port)
5 - Wild Gunman
6 - Duck Hunt
7 - Golf
8 - Hogan's Alley (1984 Arcade port)
9 - Baseball
10 - Donkey Kong Jr. Math
11 - Ice Climber
12 - Kung-Fu (1984 Arcade port)
13 - Wrecking Crew
14 - Stack-Up
15 - Gyromite
16 - Super Mario Bros
17 - Mach Rider
18 - 10-Yard Fight (1983 Arcade port)
19 - Balloon Fight (1984 Arcade port)
20 - Donkey Kong 3
21 - Popeye (1982 Arcade port)
22 - Donkey Kong (1982 Arcade port)
23 - Donkey Kong Jr. (1981 Arcade port)
24 - Mario Bros. (1983 Arcade port)
25 - Gumshoe
26 - Kid Icarus
27 - Pro Wrestling
28 - Soccer
29 - Volleyball

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

When they decided to make New games like wii music instead of new ips that have depth and substance.

Or maby when the most hardcore game they introduced at E3 was Pikmin 3 which was only mentioned and not even shown.

Or maby when they made a system with no hd grafix and a total gimmick for a remote

Or maby when Reggie said 4 games a year for the core gamer should be enough

Need i go on?

grimhope

- Brawl
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Metroid Prime 3
- Legend of Zelda: TP
- Battalion Wars 2
- Super Paper Mario
- Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
- Mario Kart Wii
- Disaster Day of Crisis
- Animal Crossing: City Folk
- Wario Land: Shake It!
- WiiWare

All that in the first two years from Nintendo alone.

2009 brings more titles like:
- Dynamic (new IP)
- Sin and Punishment 2
- Punch Out!! Wii
- Wii MotionPlus
- They announced I think two other new IPs at the Nintendo event
- Pikmin 3 is on its way
- Zelda team is working on Zelda, part of the team were working on Wii Fit and Wii Music but now are back to work on the new Zelda.

So really I fail to see your arguement here of them betraying their hardcore because of a mere five games geared towards casuals:
- Wii Sports
- Wii Play
- Wii Fit
- Wii Music
- Wii Sports: Resort

I didn't even BEGIN to mention the third party offerings like:
- World of Goo
- Mega Man 9
- No More Heroes
- Sonic and The Secret Rings
- Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
- Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
- Zack and Wiki
- De Blob
- No More Heroes
- Little King's Story
- Fragile
- Muramasa: The Demon Blade
- Capcom vs
- MadWorld
- The Conduit
- Arc Rise Fantasia
- Spore Wii
- Monster Hunter 3
- The House of The Dead Overkill
- ETC.

As a Wii owner, I feel so betrayed :roll:

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games. If I want good third party support i will stick to my ps3 and xbox. But nintendo now only releases about 5 games a year In house (Or at least 5 in house games of any intrest).

When someone used to ask if I could only own one system this gen what would it be, my answer always used to be Nintendo!

Because i didnt want to be without my zelda, mario, metroid, etc etc. But now.................. I just feel betrayed.

Im sure the hardcore nintendo fans will argue to the death about this but thats just my opinion. And mark my words:

Nintendo in the same form as it is today will not be around for another 20 years

Let's see:

New Mario released? Check.

New Metroid released? Check.

New Zelda released? Check.

New Zelda confirmed on the way? Check.

What the crap do you want? A new Mario game each year? There are already too many spinoffs as it is. Geez, some people...

The mainstream public/casuals are fickle. Sure, they're all over Wii/DS now, but you'd have to be foolish to think that it'll last forever. It might take another generation, it might take two, but eventually the mainstream appeal of Nintendo will wear off again, just like it did in the mid-90's.

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games. If I want good third party support i will stick to my ps3 and xbox. But nintendo now only releases about 5 games a year In house (Or at least 5 in house games of any intrest).

When someone used to ask if I could only own one system this gen what would it be, my answer always used to be Nintendo!

Because i didnt want to be without my zelda, mario, metroid, etc etc. But now.................. I just feel betrayed.

Im sure the hardcore nintendo fans will argue to the death about this but thats just my opinion. And mark my words:

Nintendo in the same form as it is today will not be around for another 20 years

grimhope

Not everyone is going to have the same taste. If it doesnt appeal to you Nintendo is not going to go out for just you and what you like.

Nintendo is making big bucks and thats all a company cares about. If Nintendo continues the same strategy for 20 years, appealing to people who don't play games and getting a huge market, you can be sure they will still be around.

they already are the joke of the industry among gamers...Cloud_Insurance

Be glad this is happening.

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games. If I want good third party support i will stick to my ps3 and xbox. But nintendo now only releases about 5 games a year In house (Or at least 5 in house games of any intrest).

When someone used to ask if I could only own one system this gen what would it be, my answer always used to be Nintendo!

Because i didnt want to be without my zelda, mario, metroid, etc etc. But now.................. I just feel betrayed.

Im sure the hardcore nintendo fans will argue to the death about this but thats just my opinion. And mark my words:

Nintendo in the same form as it is today will not be around for another 20 years

grimhope

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

The mainstream public/casuals are fickle. Sure, they're all over Wii/DS now, but you'd have to be foolish to think that it'll last forever. It might take another generation, it might take two, but eventually the mainstream appeal of Nintendo will wear off again, just like it did in the mid-90's.

V_Isle

If you understand the blue ocean strategy, you wouldn't be saying this. The idea is to use bridge games like Mario Kart to entice some of the casuals into more hardcore games.

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

Tylendal

First off all I have a lot of thing that keep me from buying a lot of games per year.
1. University
2. Time
3. Money

5-8 games a year is pretty much what I'd consider good enough for myself.

*sighs*

even if they'll pay, nintendo still got a WHOLE freaking lot of money than M$ and sony.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

Haziqonfire

First off all I have a lot of thing that keep me from buying a lot of games per year.
1. University
2. Time
3. Money

5-8 games a year is pretty much what I'd consider good enough for myself.

So you expect a single company to be making a dozen or so games a year? :roll: Quality over quantity IMO.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

Tylendal

First off all I have a lot of thing that keep me from buying a lot of games per year.
1. University
2. Time
3. Money

5-8 games a year is pretty much what I'd consider good enough for myself.

So you expect a single company to be making a dozen or so games a year? :roll: Quality over quantity IMO.

lol I was agreeing with you.

they already are the joke of the industry among gamers...Cloud_Insurance

:lol: how clueless can someone be?!

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

Tylendal

First off all I have a lot of thing that keep me from buying a lot of games per year.
1. University
2. Time
3. Money

5-8 games a year is pretty much what I'd consider good enough for myself.

So you expect a single company to be making a dozen or so games a year? :roll: Quality over quantity IMO.

He agreed with you :|

[QUOTE="grimhope"]

See here's the thing. I have always purchased nintendo's systems to play NINTENDO"S Games. If I want good third party support i will stick to my ps3 and xbox. But nintendo now only releases about 5 games a year In house (Or at least 5 in house games of any intrest).

When someone used to ask if I could only own one system this gen what would it be, my answer always used to be Nintendo!

Because i didnt want to be without my zelda, mario, metroid, etc etc. But now.................. I just feel betrayed.

Im sure the hardcore nintendo fans will argue to the death about this but thats just my opinion. And mark my words:

Nintendo in the same form as it is today will not be around for another 20 years

Tylendal

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Am I being completely crazy here when I say that five in-house games a year sounds like a LOT?

Haziqonfire

First off all I have a lot of thing that keep me from buying a lot of games per year.
1. University
2. Time
3. Money

5-8 games a year is pretty much what I'd consider good enough for myself.

So you expect a single company to be making a dozen or so games a year? :roll: Quality over quantity IMO.

lol I was agreeing with you.

Oops. I thought you were saying that you didn't think that five in-house games sounded like a lot. :(

At least I gave this topic some new life by filling it with people screaming. "No, he's agreeing with you." :P

The mainstream public/casuals are fickle. Sure, they're all over Wii/DS now, but you'd have to be foolish to think that it'll last forever. It might take another generation, it might take two, but eventually the mainstream appeal of Nintendo will wear off again, just like it did in the mid-90's.

V_Isle

I have seen more fickleness among so-called "hardcore" gamers in System Wars than I have ever seen among "casual" gamers and the general public in my whole life. Look at the "hype" threads and the "flop" threads to see the hardcore fickleness in action.

You do understand that Nintendo was already paying for ignoring the casual crowd with the GC......Right?

With only 20 million in sales moslty only the hardcore Nintendo fans got the GC.

Nintendo betraying Hardcore gamer? No.

THIS SHOWS EXACTALY WHAT NINTENDO DID TO THE HARD CORE

I'm selling my wii, i'm really bored with it.

I stood outside in freezing weather for 8 hours, and this is what i get. I won't be back.

hummer700

buh bye!!

You will be missed