Nintendo won't pay for voice acting in Zelda: Skyward Swords-- uses lame excuse

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Hasn't it been all but confirmed that SS will have orchestral music?

AmayaPapaya

It was confirmed by Miyamoto during the Conference thing after E3, when they announced the OOT remake for the 3DS. However, Aonuma said later that the Zelda team didn't really discuss it, and he is not sure why Miyamoto said that. I'm pretty sure though they will have it. Miyamoto must have got a lot of positive feedback from people at E3 about SMG2's orchestrated music.

While Link should NEVER be given a voice,at some point the NPCs are gonna need to speak. Even when dealing with Zelda I can't imagine a qualitygame in say.. 10 years that requires you to read what everyone is saying with no speech.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ It's 2010, soon to be 2011 and Zelda still doesn't have voice acting. HA HA OH WOW. Nintendo is so cheap despite having billions of money stashed away. Nintendo is so stuck in the past. They simply do not care about this series or the fans at all. In fact this is an insult to the fanbase, this is basically calling all the zelda fans stupid. Why? Because they think zelda fans will buy this despite it being a series stuck in the 90's. Here is what's funny, the fans will still buy this game. Holy cow I'm gonna die. Zelda is dead. wow. ▲

Loco_Live

Are you serious :?

▲ Very much so. Every other game on the market has voice acting. ▲

Lets just say you are right about everything. Why is no voice acting big enough to kill a series as big as Zelda?

huhh??? this is the company that makes billions of dollars in profit in one quarter...Why would they care about the costs of voice acting? There never has been voice acting in the history of zelda and to be honest i don't want some wierd voice for link to ruin his character.

Have you seen what its like when link talks?!

If you haven't you don't want to.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I think that's why right there, Zelda games don't have much dialogue, so it wouldn't be cost effective to spend money on the best of the best voice actors for a game where story isn't the main feature.

Bigboi500

I have been playing Zelda games since the NES. When I was a kid my wall was cluttered with fan art, and whenever I found Zelda merchandise like the action figures, I bought them, so don't lecture me about being a "true fan." I loved Zelda games when I was younger and I would like to see the series grow with me. That does not mean I want an M rated game full of gore and sex like in your strawman argument, but it does mean I'd like something a bit more complex, mature, and of higher production value than what Nintendo has done recently. If you are perfectly OK with the franchise giving us more of the same and routinely simplifying the formula, then I have to question who the true fan really is.

huhh??? this is the company that makes billions of dollars in profit in one quarter...Why would they care about the costs of voice acting? There never has been voice acting in the history of zelda and to be honest i don't want some wierd voice for link to ruin his character.

blaznwiipspman1

It might not be full voice acting but when I was a child playing OoT for the first time I actually thought they had full voice acting because they had grunts, laughing, Screaming, Goron speak, and Navi.

Midna speaks in Twilight Princess.

zelda's charm has always been its simplistic way of conveying its story, characters, and themes.

i don't see why it has to be any different now than in 1999. put your elitist standards aside, this is Zelda we are talking about.

Have you seen what its like when link talks?!

If you haven't you don't want to.

WiiMan21

Thank the heavens.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] This is the weakest argument in the thread. "How would Zelda benefit from voice acting?" If it was a regular staple of the series no body would be asking this question. It would be an accepted part of the franchise. My question is what exactly would Zelda LOSE from having voice acting? Nothing at all. It would be welcomed and if done well would be a part of the over all experience. Voice acting brings the world to life it's really just that simple. It would add that little extra polish to an already good experience. Timstuff

I have been playing Zelda games since the NES. When I was a kid my wall was cluttered with fan art, and whenever I found Zelda merchandise like the action figures, I bought them, so don't lecture me about being a "true fan." I loved Zelda games when I was younger and I would like to see the series grow with me. That does not mean I want an M rated game full of gore and sex like in your strawman argument, but it does mean I'd like something a bit more complex, mature, and of higher production value than what Nintendo has done recently. If you are perfectly OK with the franchise giving us more of the same and routinely simplifying the formula, then I have to question who the true fan really is.

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Are you serious :?

AmayaPapaya

▲ Very much so. Every other game on the market has voice acting. ▲

Lets just say you are right about everything. Why is no voice acting big enough to kill a series as big as Zelda?

▲ Sales wise, it won't. Because people will buy this series no matter what. What I meant, is that Zelda is dead to me. This series used to be my all time favorite. Now it has turned into a cesspool of mediocrity. A series with no intention on progressing. Just reselling the same old game in a new package. Hollow and shallow. A series whose creators merely make the games for money and have no creative integrity. No willingness to keep up with todays standards in gaming. ▲

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

alexjonathan41

http://www.destructoid.com/zelda-skyward-sword-producer-doesn-t-want-link-to-talk-181232.phtml#comment

This is so ridiculous and I don't buy it for one second. Eiji Aonuma is just making lame excuses for all the corner cutting they have to do thanks to the tiny budgets Nintendo gives the Zelda team to work with. Does he really expect us to believe he's never heard of Half Life or the many Western RPGs that feature silent protagonists as well as voice acting? I am so sick of Nintendo's bull crap excuses for why they are such cheap bastards when it comes to the Zelda series. I wonder what their excuse is going to be for why the game will have crappy synth music instead of a recorded orchestra? Mario always gets the lion's share when it comes to budgets, but it seems like Nintendo keeps pinching pennies harder and harder when it comes to the Zelda series, and what makes it worse is that they claim it's because of their "artistic integrity" instead of just admitting that they want to crank them out with as little overhead expense as possible.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Very much so. Every other game on the market has voice acting. ▲

Loco_Live

Lets just say you are right about everything. Why is no voice acting big enough to kill a series as big as Zelda?

▲ Sales wise, it won't. Because people will buy this series no matter what. What I meant, is that Zelda is dead to me. This series used to be my all time favorite. Now it has turned into a cesspool of mediocrity. A series with no intention on progressing. Just reselling the same old game in a new package. Hollow and shallow. A series whose creators merely make the games for money and have no creative integrity. No willingness to keep up with todays standards in gaming. ▲

I disagree, because Voice Acting doesn't magically change a game. I would rather have a Zelda that evolves the gameplay w/out voice acting than a TP/OOT clone with voice acting. But hey, that's what you want.

zelda's charm has always been its simplistic way of conveying its story, characters, and themes.

i don't see why it has to be any different now than in 1999. put your elitist standards aside, this is Zelda we are talking about.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="alexjonathan41"]

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

Fightingfan

Im talking about the NPCs, Zelda, Ganon, ect. Also, Link does say "AHHHHHHH!!!!"

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Lets just say you are right about everything. Why is no voice acting big enough to kill a series as big as Zelda?

AmayaPapaya

▲ Sales wise, it won't. Because people will buy this series no matter what. What I meant, is that Zelda is dead to me. This series used to be my all time favorite. Now it has turned into a cesspool of mediocrity. A series with no intention on progressing. Just reselling the same old game in a new package. Hollow and shallow. A series whose creators merely make the games for money and have no creative integrity. No willingness to keep up with todays standards in gaming. ▲

I disagree, because Voice Acting doesn't magically change a game. I would rather have a Zelda that evolves the gameplay w/out voice acting than a TP/OOT clone with voice acting. But hey, that's what you want.

▲ I said nothing like that. Stop making things up ▲

The choice of using the word "excuse" is lame, it's funny how people think that VA is a given in games.

Well it's not, hence the Zelda VA debate.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Sales wise, it won't. Because people will buy this series no matter what. What I meant, is that Zelda is dead to me. This series used to be my all time favorite. Now it has turned into a cesspool of mediocrity. A series with no intention on progressing. Just reselling the same old game in a new package. Hollow and shallow. A series whose creators merely make the games for money and have no creative integrity. No willingness to keep up with todays standards in gaming. ▲

Loco_Live

I disagree, because Voice Acting doesn't magically change a game. I would rather have a Zelda that evolves the gameplay w/out voice acting than a TP/OOT clone with voice acting. But hey, that's what you want.

▲ I said nothing like that. Stop making things up ▲

All your complaining about is VA and saying Zelda is dead because it has non. I just assumed you didn't care about the gameplay, you based the series death around VA.

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

alexjonathan41

[QUOTE="alexjonathan41"]

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

Fightingfan

▲ Why does everyone think that when people ask for voice acting in a zelda game, that means they want Link to talk? I'd be contempt with just NPCs and the other characters talking. I'd be okay with only voice acting in cutscenes. ▲

3 things I'm certain will happen with Skyward Sword

1. No voice acting (already confirmed)

2. No orchestral music (get ready for MIDI once again)

3. The game won't release until late 2011

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I disagree, because Voice Acting doesn't magically change a game. I would rather have a Zelda that evolves the gameplay w/out voice acting than a TP/OOT clone with voice acting. But hey, that's what you want.

AmayaPapaya

▲ I said nothing like that. Stop making things up ▲

All your complaining about is VA and saying Zelda is dead because it has non. I just assumed you didn't care about the gameplay, you based the series death around VA.

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Play the CD-i games.

InfinityMugen

If that's what he says I trust him. I also laugh at the idea that the Zelda team has a tiny budget, that's down right hilarious.

Well I mean, I understand. It's not like voice acting is some ubiquitous technology found in pretty much every current-gen game that has dialog. Oh wait...

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ I said nothing like that. Stop making things up ▲

Loco_Live

All your complaining about is VA and saying Zelda is dead because it has non. I just assumed you didn't care about the gameplay, you based the series death around VA.

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Why is it dead to you only because the producer said he didn't like voice acting in Zelda?

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Loco_Live

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Ah, the classic "true fan" lameness. Apparently, in any franchise the "true fans" are the ones who do not demand more from content creators, and are content with what they are given. :roll:

I have been playing Zelda games since the NES. When I was a kid my wall was cluttered with fan art, and whenever I found Zelda merchandise like the action figures, I bought them, so don't lecture me about being a "true fan." I loved Zelda games when I was younger and I would like to see the series grow with me. That does not mean I want an M rated game full of gore and sex like in your strawman argument, but it does mean I'd like something a bit more complex, mature, and of higher production value than what Nintendo has done recently. If you are perfectly OK with the franchise giving us more of the same and routinely simplifying the formula, then I have to question who the true fan really is.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Bigboi500

▲ GOW, Halo and GTA are not nearly as old as Zelda. FF13 does not have a brilliant twist on anything. ▲

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

alexjonathan41

With Nintendo's other series the fans actually trust Nintendo to make a great game. But with Zelda it is what people call the Zelda cycle.

Usually links voice is centered around nonsensical squeaking and baby noises. Probably dont need pro talent for that.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Ah, the classic "true fan" lameness. Apparently, in any franchise the "true fans" are the ones who do not demand more from content creators, and are content with what they are given. :roll:

I have been playing Zelda games since the NES. When I was a kid my wall was cluttered with fan art, and whenever I found Zelda merchandise like the action figures, I bought them, so don't lecture me about being a "true fan." I loved Zelda games when I was younger and I would like to see the series grow with me. That does not mean I want an M rated game full of gore and sex like in your strawman argument, but it does mean I'd like something a bit more complex, mature, and of higher production value than what Nintendo has done recently. If you are perfectly OK with the franchise giving us more of the same and routinely simplifying the formula, then I have to question who the true fan really is.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="DaViD_99"] Im not too sure if Zelda could pull off voice acting. It would be interesting to see Nintendo try and do it, but the writing and characters in Zelda games are always too crazy and whimsy. In that sense, it reminds of me Paper Mario. VGobbsesser

In what ways? Most of the characters in Zelda are pretty down-to-earth, and there are really only a handful of out-there characters (see: Tingle). Voice acting, to me, at least, would benefit the fantasy feeling of the franchise.

Its not so much the characters, but the writing. But I know I wouldn't really want to hear Gorons or Zoras speak english, probably a low, dumb voice for the former and british voice for the latter. I would much rather Nintendo add a gibberash fake language, with "subtitles". Many of the shopkeepers (little creepy child from Twilight Princess" and game people are also quite strange (OoT, the dancing couple in love), deku shrubs, skull kid, happy mask salesman and more.

I mean I can see Zelda and Ganondor having VA, since they never really had that much character, but it is really all the people you meet on your journey.

Zelda games have always had whimsy, but I do think if Nintendo just adds VA for every character, some of the whimsy would be gone.

That is why I think Zelda games do not really need voice acting, but just some fake languages, or more sound effects, like what they did with Midna.

There are much more other things Nintendo has to update and change around for Skyward Sword.

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

All your complaining about is VA and saying Zelda is dead because it has non. I just assumed you didn't care about the gameplay, you based the series death around VA.

AmayaPapaya

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Why is it dead to you only because the producer said he didn't like voice acting in Zelda?

▲ Because that means there might be no voice acting in the game. Take that along with all else that has stayed the same for the past 20 years, and you begin to realize that there is no point in playing the series anymore. I also despise the art direction they've taken since WW.

They are giving Metroid voice acting yet no one is complaining. But if Zelda gets voice acting, even if its just the NPCs its bound to be RUINED FOREVER!

alexjonathan41

Oh yeah, also I was playing Twilight Princess the other day and noticed something interesting. Link does actually talk in a cutscene, but the player does not know what he is saying. The focus of the scene was one someone else, and in the background you can see Link having a conversation with someone, and his lips are moving. I found that kind of interesting.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Loco_Live

▲ GOW, Halo and GTA are not nearly as old as Zelda. FF13 does not have a brilliant twist on anything. ▲

Usually links voice is centered around nonsensical squeaking and baby noises. Probably dont need pro talent for that.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]The gameplay is also dated in most games, like God of War, Halo, GTA. Final Fantasy XIII has a brilliant twist on JRPG combat, yet the game is despised by many, while the games I mentioned are still mostly praised. Follow me?

Bigboi500

▲ GOW, Halo and GTA are not nearly as old as Zelda. FF13 does not have a brilliant twist on anything. ▲

▲ Which game, FF13? I got 4 hours in and quite. I hated that game. I hate all JRPGs. ▲

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ I was talking about the series in its entirety. The gameplay is also dated. ▲

Loco_Live

Why is it dead to you only because the producer said he didn't like voice acting in Zelda?

▲ Because that means there might be no voice acting in the game. Take that along with all else that has stayed the same for the past 20 years, and you begin to realize that there is no point in playing the series anymore. I also despise the art direction they've taken since WW.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ GOW, Halo and GTA are not nearly as old as Zelda. FF13 does not have a brilliant twist on anything. ▲

Loco_Live

▲ Which game, FF13? I got 4 hours in and quite. I hated that game. I hate all JRPGs. ▲

You and everybody else.

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Why is it dead to you only because the producer said he didn't like voice acting in Zelda?

AmayaPapaya

▲ Because that means there might be no voice acting in the game. Take that along with all else that has stayed the same for the past 20 years, and you begin to realize that there is no point in playing the series anymore. I also despise the art direction they've taken since WW.

▲ True. But look at TP. It's the same as every zelda game before it. ▲

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Saying that means it's obvious you've not played much, if any, of the game.

alexjonathan41

▲ Which game, FF13? I got 4 hours in and quite. I hated that game. I hate all JRPGs. ▲

You and everybody else.

▲ What do you mean? ▲

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Because that means there might be no voice acting in the game. Take that along with all else that has stayed the same for the past 20 years, and you begin to realize that there is no point in playing the series anymore. I also despise the art direction they've taken since WW.

Loco_Live

▲ True. But look at TP. It's the same as every zelda game before it. ▲

True. But look at SS. It's already is different from every other Zelda regarding graphics and control. Which is the only things we have seen about the game.