Nintendo's lack of innovation is the reason why 3ds is failing.

At this point all I've seen nintendo ever do is milk the living crap out of there OLD games. I never see anything fresh or new coming from them. I'm not saying sony or microsoft don't do the same, but it seems obsesive with nintendo. They are always porting an old version of mario or zelda to their newest system with new alightly imprved graphics and a slight change in the expirence. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see what makes a game like that worth playing if it's the same thing again just on a diffrent device. When I found out a new mario cart and mario world game was coming out all I could do was facepalm... seriously? That's ridiculous... I would've thought at this point the series are just old and dry with no new things to it!

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

bu bu bu this mario kart has gliding!!!!1

But yeah, Nintendo have been reduced to a company that puts 99% of its efforts into discovering the next big casual, gimmicky cash-grab while the other 1% regurgitates the same mario and zelda games to keep the core fans happy. Nintendo could release a **** in the shape of mario and the nintendo loyalist would defend them.

bu bu bu this mario kart has gliding!!!!1

But yeah, Nintendo have been reduced to a company that puts 99% of its efforts into discovering the next big casual, gimmicky cash-grab while the other 1% regurgitates the same mario and zelda games to keep the core fans happy. Nintendo could release a **** in the shape of mario and the nintendo loyalist would defend them.

RR360DD

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

93BlackHawk93

I wish Nintendo was more creative with their software than their hardware. I miss games like Pikmin, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, Star Fox Adventures, The Thousand Year Door, Luigis Mansion, Wind Waker, etc. It's like I can completely predict every game they release now. I remember being upset that Wind Waker was going to be cartoony, and being utterly confused when I first played Metroid Prime and realized it was a first person shooter, I want that back.

It's not a lack of innovation in the slightest.

It's a lack of fully and properly realizing some of the basic features and services that gamers and consumers in general have come to expect from their console systems, like good online, proper next-gen graphics, dual analog, a truly decent shopping experience that works for the consumer and not Nintendo, and full 3rd party support etc...

Apart from a couple of innovative features, usually related to controls (and the 3D in the 3DS case obviously), Nintendo's recent consoles have often felt half-assed and incomplete in mossed other areas/ways and I personally believe only casuals (but most of them will come when the price drops) and total hardcore fanboys are going to buy into that which cuts out a lot of potential customers for 3DS.

No its that they rely on innovation too much and have forgotten that all we really want is a big library of must have games, the two greatest selling consoles of all time did so because when people saw how much their library dominated the competition they couldn't pass that up.

They're completely new games. They have characters we're already used to, so that helps familiarize us some. They also have some gameplay elements we're already comfortable with, but overwise they're new experiences. If anything, they're at fault for not advertising enough, or hyping up the platform. Once they announced the 3DS, it was difficult to get any sort of information about the system and its games. It's still like that now. They need to get their marketing plan in full swing. As far as the system itself, current, and future games, it's a great system. Nintendo must be hoping for word of mouth advertising, and there aren't enough mouths to spread the word, except a bunch of hatred from people not wanting to try something new like 3D on a handheld, or that try to insult it by saying it's just a DS with 3D, completely bypassing the fact that's it's got more new features than 3D (like motion sensing) and more power under the little clamshell rectangle.

It's not just the software that is lacking in innovation, it's the hardware itself. This same company that claimed that they would only bring out a new console ONLY if they had a brand new mind blowing idea to back it up with. 3DS doesn't reallly have that. The DS had dual touch-screens and that was amazing and the 3DS has what? Glasses-free 3D? Nobody really cares about it and it's not really the selling point of the 3DS.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

bu bu bu this mario kart has gliding!!!!1

But yeah, Nintendo have been reduced to a company that puts 99% of its efforts into discovering the next big casual, gimmicky cash-grab while the other 1% regurgitates the same mario and zelda games to keep the core fans happy. Nintendo could release a **** in the shape of mario and the nintendo loyalist would defend them.

93BlackHawk93

Same could be said for any company, even Sony. I'm sick of everyone complaining about Nintendo and MS saying all they do is rehash and milk franchises. There's going to be what four Uncharted games in a five year span. But thats excusable because its Sony. Four Resistance games since what, 2006? Again excusable because it's Sony.

Back on topic though, the 3DS will not fail. With the price drop and upcoming games its back on track to dominating yet again. It will beat the VIta, although I think both systems will do well respectively, just like the DS and PSP. Nintendo is very innovative in their hardware. Their games, while they may not be innovative new ips, are amazing and generally better than the exclusive offerings on the other systems. I know it's cool to hate Nintendo now a days, but they continue to make quality systems and quality games. Besides, the days of every game being a new ip or a fresh idea or a new genre are coming to an end. Just look at what happened with the movie industry, everythings a sequel, a reboot, or a remake. It is what it is.

Starting to think these kinds of threads should be removed and done as blogs, people.

Haven't we had a few dozen "3DS will fail" threads in the past week alone? By this point everyone knows everyone else's opinions on this matter. Move on.

At this point all I've seen nintendo ever do is milk the living crap out of there OLD games. I never see anything fresh or new coming from them. I'm not saying sony or microsoft don't do the same, but it seems obsesive with nintendo. They are always porting an old version of mario or zelda to their newest system with new alightly imprved graphics and a slight change in the expirence. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see what makes a game like that worth playing if it's the same thing again just on a diffrent device. When I found out a new mario cart and mario world game was coming out all I could do was facepalm... seriously? That's ridiculous... I would've thought at this point the series are just old and dry with no new things to it!

ratchet_usa

You're acting like its only Nintendo that milks there franchises, every company in gaming milks there most popular games because it will earn them money. Look at Microsoft, the Halo series is about to make there 7th game since 2001 and even then it may continue long after that if Halo 4 is successful. Sony are the same, the Uncharted series is about to release its 3rd game in 5 years and another series which has been milked like hell is Rachet and Clank, that has spawned 10 games in 10 years.

There is many more franchises that could be pointed out but if a franchise sells well then the company will milk the hell out of it.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

AzatiS

Starting to think these kinds of threads should be removed and done as blogs, people.

Haven't we had a few dozen "3DS will fail" threads in the past week alone? By this point everyone knows everyone else's opinions on this matter. Move on.

mmmwksil

welcome to system wars :)

curious, what is new on mario kart 7 anyway?

I agree that innovation is playing a huge part. I don't think it is them having the inability to create new games, but more so them not willing to take risks. What I don't understand is that they made truckloads of money off the wii. There's a chance they actually invested quite a bit into WiiU. Perhaps that was the risk. That they decided to make a proper home console, invested large amounts of money in its development, and figured they'd price the 3ds--the sequel to the #1 system of all time--higher than need be to recoup the losses. That back fired. I don't really understand Nintendos situation, whether or not it is real or pr bs.

[QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

At this point all I've seen nintendo ever do is milk the living crap out of there OLD games. I never see anything fresh or new coming from them. I'm not saying sony or microsoft don't do the same, but it seems obsesive with nintendo. They are always porting an old version of mario or zelda to their newest system with new alightly imprved graphics and a slight change in the expirence. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see what makes a game like that worth playing if it's the same thing again just on a diffrent device. When I found out a new mario cart and mario world game was coming out all I could do was facepalm... seriously? That's ridiculous... I would've thought at this point the series are just old and dry with no new things to it!

Mr-Espresso

You're acting like its only Nintendo that milks there franchises, every company in gaming milks there most popular games because it will earn them money. Look at Microsoft, the Halo series is about to make there 7th game since 2001 and even then it may continue long after that if Halo 4 is successful. Sony are the same, the Uncharted series is about to release its 3rd game in 5 years and another series which has been milked like hell is Rachet and Clank, that has spawned 10 games in 10 years.

There is many more franchises that could be pointed out but if a franchise sells well then the company will milk the hell out of it.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

Michael0134567

I rather have a sequel any day to an IP I know and love over a new IP. HarlockJC

That is clearly the way the majority of Nintendo's core fans feel (especially on the console side of the ledger), which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo cranks out a Mario game a week and why third parties tend to steer clear.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="AzatiS"] OH wait... Hear yourself... MK7!!! 7!!! Now tell me whats the big difference of MK6 to MK7 and we can talk about it. Thats what TC trying to say. Not that these games arent good .. These games getting old already. ( most of them at least )Zaibach

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I rather have a sequel any day to an IP I know and love over a new IP. CarnageHeart

That is clearly the way the majority of Nintendo's core fans feel (especially on the console side of the ledger), which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo cranks out a Mario game a week and why third parties tend to steer clear.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I rather have a sequel any day to an IP I know and love over a new IP. chris_yz80

That is clearly the way the majority of Nintendo's core fans feel (especially on the console side of the ledger), which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo cranks out a Mario game a week and why third parties tend to steer clear.

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

That is clearly the way the majority of Nintendo's core fans feel (especially on the console side of the ledger), which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo cranks out a Mario game a week and why third parties tend to steer clear.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"] Its also whats destroying the gaming industry and is the sole reasont hte indie market has taken off so rapidly, we want creativity.chris_yz80

3DS fails because of 1. Battery life (3 hours only) and 2. Many people do not like 3D

Nintendo innovates as well as MS or Sony, which is to say, not much.

Ninty : Mario Zelda Mario Zelda Mario Zelda

MS : Halo Gears Halo Gears Halo Gears

Sony : UC KZ UC KZ UC KZ

The only difference is MS and Sony actually have good powerful hardware, and the Wii is the gaming equivalent of running games on a programmable toaster.

Not to mention the lame "motion gaming" crap we are all subjected to.

3DS had a bad launch, but I think it's going to have a bright future. The launch price made people hold off on getting one, but the new price point is perfect. Plus it's getting a lot of great games like Luigi's Mansion. Hopefully Nintendo makes a big turn around in terms of third party content and hardware when the Wii U comes out, I'm really looking forward to that.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

AzatiS

There is no Mario Kart 6. The 6th entry in the series is Mario Kart Wii, which I didn't find all that great frankly.

Back to the point, the 3DS isn't failing and when it was, it was because of a large price point. The price was off putting to consumers, so the adoption rate was lower than Nintendo's expectations. This would have been fine until Third Parties were adding to the problem by delaying games that were potential system sellers. Mix in some untimely cancellations and you had a down-right awful July for the 3DS.

The only ports they've been doing are Ocarina of Time and Starfox 64.

3DS fails because of 1. Battery life (3 hours only) and 2. Many people do not like 3D

Nintendo innovates as well as MS or Sony, which is to say, not much.

Ninty : Mario Zelda Mario Zelda Mario Zelda

MS : Halo Gears Halo Gears Halo Gears

Sony : UC KZ UC KZ UC KZ

The only difference is MS and Sony actually have good powerful hardware, and the Wii is the gaming equivalent of running games on a programmable toaster.

Not to mention the lame "motion gaming" crap we are all subjected to.

ZombieKiller7

Yes, but generally the gameplay really evolves in every mario game. I don't think that is a fair comparison. The main reason the 3ds did not sell(as well as hoped) was because of the price and the lack of a system seller.

People will probably disagree with this, but Skyward Sword is a factor in the 3DS' launch imo. SS should have been released by now--years ago, really--Ocarina of Time was released as to not steal SS thunder, but imagine if Nintendo did NOT make Ocarina of Time but instead put that time into Ocarina of Time 2? That would be the biggest system seller in videogame history. EVERYBODY would go buy a 3DS.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] What's the big difference between the Tekken games?Michael0134567

The reason why it's not doing well is because the market has changed since the last generation, the lack of content and the price.

Nintendo's been innovative through their software and hardware post 2004.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]is she legal yet?

Zaibach

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

93BlackHawk93

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

StrongDeadlift

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

bu bu bu this mario kart has gliding!!!!1

But yeah, Nintendo have been reduced to a company that puts 99% of its efforts into discovering the next big casual, gimmicky cash-grab while the other 1% regurgitates the same mario and zelda games to keep the core fans happy. Nintendo could release a **** in the shape of mario and the nintendo loyalist would defend them.

FPSDad1161

Same could be said for any company, even Sony. I'm sick of everyone complaining about Nintendo and MS saying all they do is rehash and milk franchises. There's going to be what four Uncharted games in a five year span. But thats excusable because its Sony. Four Resistance games since what, 2006? Again excusable because it's Sony.

Back on topic though, the 3DS will not fail. With the price drop and upcoming games its back on track to dominating yet again. It will beat the VIta, although I think both systems will do well respectively, just like the DS and PSP. Nintendo is very innovative in their hardware. Their games, while they may not be innovative new ips, are amazing and generally better than the exclusive offerings on the other systems. I know it's cool to hate Nintendo now a days, but they continue to make quality systems and quality games. Besides, the days of every game being a new ip or a fresh idea or a new genre are coming to an end. Just look at what happened with the movie industry, everythings a sequel, a reboot, or a remake. It is what it is.

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"][QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"] The same can be said about M$.JohnF111

Same could be said for any company, even Sony. I'm sick of everyone complaining about Nintendo and MS saying all they do is rehash and milk franchises. There's going to be what four Uncharted games in a five year span. But thats excusable because its Sony. Four Resistance games since what, 2006? Again excusable because it's Sony.

Back on topic though, the 3DS will not fail. With the price drop and upcoming games its back on track to dominating yet again. It will beat the VIta, although I think both systems will do well respectively, just like the DS and PSP. Nintendo is very innovative in their hardware. Their games, while they may not be innovative new ips, are amazing and generally better than the exclusive offerings on the other systems. I know it's cool to hate Nintendo now a days, but they continue to make quality systems and quality games. Besides, the days of every game being a new ip or a fresh idea or a new genre are coming to an end. Just look at what happened with the movie industry, everythings a sequel, a reboot, or a remake. It is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the 3DS was failing because of these three simple reasons

• high price
• lack of software
• lack of advertising

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

StrongDeadlift

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

I think Nintendo really are milking old franchises too much. I think we need to see a new series from them.Morrdecai

Why does anyone who owns a DS, need to buy a 3DS? ..... Other than the 3D and better graphics, what does the 3DS do to make gameplay better? ..... Does it allow brand new gameplay experiences ? ..... I don't think so. The 3DS never should have been $250 to begin with. The 3DS just needs killer aps AND a reasonable price. The price cut was announced, time for some killer apps to get released. Nonstop-Madness

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii. Not to mention Iwata said himself that this machine will not be cheap. That and only being able to use one control pad per console, etc. Along with very little in software for the thing. This thing is going to fail hard.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Why does anyone who owns a DS, need to buy a 3DS? ..... Other than the 3D and better graphics, what does the 3DS do to make gameplay better? ..... Does it allow brand new gameplay experiences ? ..... I don't think so. The 3DS never should have been $250 to begin with. The 3DS just needs killer aps AND a reasonable price. The price cut was announced, time for some killer apps to get released. StrongDeadlift

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]

Same could be said for any company, even Sony. I'm sick of everyone complaining about Nintendo and MS saying all they do is rehash and milk franchises. There's going to be what four Uncharted games in a five year span. But thats excusable because its Sony. Four Resistance games since what, 2006? Again excusable because it's Sony.

Back on topic though, the 3DS will not fail. With the price drop and upcoming games its back on track to dominating yet again. It will beat the VIta, although I think both systems will do well respectively, just like the DS and PSP. Nintendo is very innovative in their hardware. Their games, while they may not be innovative new ips, are amazing and generally better than the exclusive offerings on the other systems. I know it's cool to hate Nintendo now a days, but they continue to make quality systems and quality games. Besides, the days of every game being a new ip or a fresh idea or a new genre are coming to an end. Just look at what happened with the movie industry, everythings a sequel, a reboot, or a remake. It is what it is.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Why does anyone who owns a DS, need to buy a 3DS? ..... Other than the 3D and better graphics, what does the 3DS do to make gameplay better? ..... Does it allow brand new gameplay experiences ? ..... I don't think so. The 3DS never should have been $250 to begin with. The 3DS just needs killer aps AND a reasonable price. The price cut was announced, time for some killer apps to get released. charizard1605

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii.