Nintendo's lack of innovation is the reason why 3ds is failing.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] This. The problem with the 3ds is that Nintendo failed to convey to the masses that this is NOT a DS. That this is a next generation handheld. They even failed in the name. They just took the DS and put a 3 in front of it (the same mistake they are making with the Wii U). People just think its a DS revision.

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii.

StrongDeadlift

They've fixed that.

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[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

khoofia_pika

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

If Nintendo lacks innovation, then I fear for the rest of the gaming industry.Zeviander

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]If Nintendo lacks innovation, then I fear for the rest of the gaming industry.StrongDeadlift

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

StrongDeadlift

It's not a lack of innovation in the slightest.

It's a lack of fully and properly realizing some of the basic features and services that gamers and consumers in general have come to expect from their console systems, like good online, proper next-gen graphics, dual analog, a truly decent shopping experience that works for the consumer and not Nintendo, and full 3rd party support etc...

Apart from a couple of innovative features, usually related to controls (and the 3D in the 3DS case obviously), Nintendo's recent consoles have often felt half-assed and incomplete in mossed other areas/ways and I personally believe only casuals (but most of them will come when the price drops) and total hardcore fanboys are going to buy into that which cuts out a lot of potential customers for 3DS.

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

StrongDeadlift

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

When that part was so flawed, can you really blame him?

Also, while Mario Kart 7 is not likely to have big differences (and neither is Uncharted on the Vita), you haven't played the game, so your point doesn't hold any water.

It may be a kart racing game, but it's still a new game. And then you have the new Kid Icarus (a franchise that hasn't had an entry since the NES days),a new Luigi's Mansion, a whole new Paper Mario, and a whole new Mario game.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]If Nintendo lacks innovation, then I fear for the rest of the gaming industry.charizard1605

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

Ill be picking up sonys new one when the price drops..Right now 250 is a bit steap for myself..Saving up for other stuff atm..Maybe in a few years ill pick it up..Also i want to wait and see if games come out for sonys new one..Lack of games on the old one pissed me off more than any thing..It had maybe 5 good games in its run..Sorry but that was a fail..So ill wait an see for sure on it..

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] The same way, Uncharted: Golden Abyss is the same game as Uncharted 1 or 2 with touch controls. Or for that matter, every game is the same as its predecessor with some differences. Your arguments are nothing, buddy. Come up with something better. And we're talking aout what Nintendo is doing- Nintendo isn't porting Rayman, Metal Gear or Street Fighter. GreySeal9

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

When that part was so flawed, can you really blame him?

Also, while Mario Kart 7 is not likely to have big differences (and neither is Uncharted on the Vita), you haven't played the game, so your point doesn't hold any water.

It may be a kart racing game, but it's still a new game. And then you have the new Kid Icarus (a franchise that hasn't had an entry since the NES days),a new Luigi's Mansion, a whole new Paper Mario, and a whole new Mario game.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]If Nintendo lacks innovation, then I fear for the rest of the gaming industry.StrongDeadlift

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

The Wii U pad hasn't come out, so you don't know what it has contributed to gaming. It is solely your opinion that the Wiimote hasn't contributed anything. It's fine to have that opinion, but if you want to call something a gimmick while saying those other things are definition, you're going to need something more substantial than your own opinion that those things added something to gaming.

For instance, I think it's absurd to say the Wiimote is not an innovation, but something as trivial as in game soundtracks in an innovation. If I think that doesn't make sense, why should I or anybody else accept your notion of innovation?

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] This. The problem with the 3ds is that Nintendo failed to convey to the masses that this is NOT a DS. That this is a next generation handheld. They even failed in the name. They just took the DS and put a 3 in front of it (the same mistake they are making with the Wii U). People just think its a DS revision.

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii.

StrongDeadlift

Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance all sold millions. Not many thought they were revisions because....they were NEW handhelds.

Its like saying that the Ps3 is a Ps2 revision

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]If Nintendo lacks innovation, then I fear for the rest of the gaming industry.charizard1605

Cross Game Chat is an innovation.

In Game Soundtracks is an innovation.

In game Dashboard is an innovation.

Putting a hard drive in the console is an innovation.

The Wii-mote and Wii-u-pad are not innovations. They are GIMMICKS. they've contributed NOTHING to gaming, and were created solely as an object for nintendo to throw all their marketing money at to distract you from the fact that they were selling you last gen hardware with a high profit margin and making you pay next gen prices for it.

I can't. Sure, waggle was definetely a gimmick, but pointer controls in FPS and uses in JRPGs (Like Fragile Dreams) or Mario Galaxy definetely was something that couldn't be done anywhere else. No, motion controls are definetely an innovation.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

StrongDeadlift

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

Street Fighter is Capcom

MGS3 is Konami.

None of those are Nintendo, just Star Fox and Zelda are. :|

nintendo lacking innovation? 3ds isn't failing because of lack of innovation. 3ds hasn't been selling too well because of the price and lack of games. by time the holiday season comes around you will see a increase of sales.

even it is was failing because of 3d. at least nintendo attempted to do something new with their handheld. and did something new with their wii. even though the nintendo glove was crap it was still innovated for it's time.

what has sony and microsoft done? sony both put out motion controls when they saw how successful the wii was doing. the ps vita looks like a psp and an ipod touch looked like it had a baby, not much innovation there. don't even get me started on microsoft. love them or hate them nintendo has always been for innovation.

and talking about ports. psp was basically a mini ps2.

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

Actually its:

Ocarina of Time 3D

Super Street Fighter 4 3D

Star Fox 64 3D

Rayman 3D (direct port of Rayman 2 Dreamcast version)

Metal Gear Solid:Snake Eater (Metal Gear Solid 3 remake)

pretty sure I left some out. I had a larger list before but these were just off the top of the dome. And I remember hearing a rumor a few weeks ago that they were thinking about doing Majoras Mask next?

and really, MK7? Zomg the same game, except I can drive with accelerometers :o 2007 called, they want their Iphone back.

StrongDeadlift

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

nintendo lacking innovation? 3ds isn't failing because of lack of innovation. 3ds hasn't been selling too well because of the price and lack of games. by time the holiday season comes around you will see a increase of sales. even it is was failing because of 3d. at least nintendo attempted to do something new with their handheld. and did something new with their wii. even though the nintendo glove was crap it was still innovated for it's time. what has sony and microsoft done? sony both put out motion controls when they saw how successful the wii was doing. the ps vita looks like a psp and an ipod touch looked like it had a baby, not much innovation there. don't even get me started on microsoft. love them or hate them nintendo has always been for innovation.helwa1988

Looks doesnt determine a system -_-.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] All of this, and you have one thing wrong... The 3DS sold 3.6 million in four days.LastRambo341

Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance all sold millions. Not many thought they were revisions because....they were NEW handhelds.

Its like saying that the Ps3 is a Ps2 revision

[QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

At this point all I've seen nintendo ever do is milk the living crap out of there OLD games. I never see anything fresh or new coming from them. I'm not saying sony or microsoft don't do the same, but it seems obsesive with nintendo. They are always porting an old version of mario or zelda to their newest system with new alightly imprved graphics and a slight change in the expirence. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see what makes a game like that worth playing if it's the same thing again just on a diffrent device. When I found out a new mario cart and mario world game was coming out all I could do was facepalm... seriously? That's ridiculous... I would've thought at this point the series are just old and dry with no new things to it!

Coolyfett

And then you hear Sony fans desiring a FF VII remake for the Vita :lol:

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"]nintendo lacking innovation? 3ds isn't failing because of lack of innovation. 3ds hasn't been selling too well because of the price and lack of games. by time the holiday season comes around you will see a increase of sales. even it is was failing because of 3d. at least nintendo attempted to do something new with their handheld. and did something new with their wii. even though the nintendo glove was crap it was still innovated for it's time. what has sony and microsoft done? sony both put out motion controls when they saw how successful the wii was doing. the ps vita looks like a psp and an ipod touch looked like it had a baby, not much innovation there. don't even get me started on microsoft. love them or hate them nintendo has always been for innovation.Coolyfett

Looks doesnt determine a system -_-.

Similar core experience =/= rehash

Similar core experience =/= no creativity.

All Zelda games are similar in that you explore multip,e dungeons, yes. Everything else about them changes though. Or are you going to tell me A lInk to the Past and Wind Waker are exactly the same? Hell, Link's Awakening and the Oracle games, while they look quite similar and share a few tunes, still feel like very different experiences to me.

And also the 3DS isn't doing hot right now due to a currently unimpressive library. That will probably change as time goes on though. The DS's library wasn't exactly enthralling 4 months in and look how it turned out.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

And then you hear Sony fans desiring a FF VII remake for the Vita :lol:

Coolyfett

Well if Ocarina 3D is just a rehash, why shouldn't a FF VII remake be seen as such too?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Why does anyone who owns a DS, need to buy a 3DS? ..... Other than the 3D and better graphics, what does the 3DS do to make gameplay better? ..... Does it allow brand new gameplay experiences ? ..... I don't think so. The 3DS never should have been $250 to begin with. The 3DS just needs killer aps AND a reasonable price. The price cut was announced, time for some killer apps to get released. StrongDeadlift

This. The problem with the 3ds is that Nintendo failed to convey to the masses that this is NOT a DS. That this is a next generation handheld. They even failed in the name. They just took the DS and put a 3 in front of it (the same mistake they are making with the Wii U). People just think its a DS revision.

That, and just not agressively marketing it at all. Alot of people, including myself had no Idea the damn thing even released. I was reading these forums a few months ago and saw threads talking about "3DS having poor sales" and I said to myself "wait a minute.....this thing is out already?!?! where was I?".

The launch of a next generation handheld came and went without leaving so much of a trace. Hell, if a person who spends hours on the internet reading gaming s*** didnt even know the damn thing was even out, imagine what the regular people on the street think. Most of them probly dont even know it exists, nor do they care. This thing made no splash whatsoever. Do you think that the launch of a next generation Sony or MS platform would just pass the masses by without anyone knowing? Hell no. Even if you didnt even play video games, you would know when the thing was coming out.

In fact, the $250 system took 13 weeks just to hit the 1 million mark. Just to put this in perspective, the PS3, a $600 console with one of the s***iest software launches in history came close to that on its FIRST TWO DAYS on the market. It sold 600k in just its first 2 days, (keep in mind it didnt even launch in europe until several months later).

I see the same thing happening with the Wii-U. The masses either wont know it exists, wont care, or wont know that it is a next gen console and not just a new iteration of the Wii. Not to mention Iwata said himself that this machine will not be cheap. That and only being able to use one control pad per console, etc. Along with very little in software for the thing. This thing is going to fail hard.

Agreed. I don't know what Nintendo was smoking when they even designed the 3DS (almost looks exactly like a DS lite) with bad advertising & having games being ports. It's like they got too cocky off of the huge sales of the DS & the Wii & just thought that everyone would buy the 3DS based off of the Nintendo brand name along with "Glass-less 3D." Now, look at where that got them.

The same thing will happen with Wii U if they don't make drastic changes. And soon.

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

93BlackHawk93

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

And then you hear Sony fans desiring a FF VII remake for the Vita :lol:

nameless12345

Well if Ocarina 3D is just a rehash, why shouldn't a FF VII remake be seen as such too?

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

Shielder7

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] You do realize Nintendo has released about 5 Mario games a year since the 80's? And you call Sony releasing 4 games in the span of 5 years milkage? Oh... My... Gawwwwd.TrapJak

Mario Kart7 is an all new game TC. You can pretty much race underwater in that game andthe karts can also transform into things like gliders now.I think ninty innovates more then most companies at times and they know when it's bad to repetitvely release a new game in a certain genre except Pokemon and MarioParty from 1999 to 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1az4MG7qw4

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]Sony fan who has never played a FF game.......Where should Coolyfett start?

Coolyfett

Well if Ocarina 3D is just a rehash, why shouldn't a FF VII remake be seen as such too?

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Well if Ocarina 3D is just a rehash, why shouldn't a FF VII remake be seen as such too?

bbkkristian

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

OoT3D and SF643D are the only remakes they've done. Did you call SM3DL and MK7 ports of old games? Shows how much you don't know what you're talking about.

Shielder7

face palm for your self because 3ds is far from failing

lets see the last failure i knew was tooken off store shelfs 2 yrs after launch -that being the sega dreamcast and from nintendo well virtual boy was their only failure believe it or not each other unit had ran its course i dont call those failures

just because one sells more then the other dont neccessarly make the other a failure good day sir,

you do not know what u are talking about

if you want to complain about ports you better not get a vita , cause lol thats all you will ever see is console ports , just like psp in the us of course

if you live in japan your lucky because you know what it seams sony treats japan better then the us with psp ,

and if you dont believe me justl look at that library

how many ps3 ps2 ps1 ports does psp have in the united states of america vs new games ,exclusively to it,

----- hmm ape escape-ya that was a port of a ps1 title , twisted metal head on -port of black online ,, which was reported back to ps2 later on with extra content

------ gran turismo-hmm not port but no career mode bad mistake

------ gta games---- once psp exclusive went to ps2 , , and the third one was on ds first ported over to psp

driver 76- similar to driver paralel lines same city songs and such just slightly different

-----nfs games dont need to explain

------ hmm final fantay 3- ya i saw that the other day i played that on my snes along time ago thank you

------ asphalt 2- ported from ds

----- ridge racer --- a port of ridge racer 6 just with less graphics i dont need to go any further cause if i did youll only be embarrased

so whos lacking innovation now, it seams sony took everything out of nintendos playbook with vita , , and it wont work because theres one thing they forgot ---- 2 screens which means that precious screen will have bunch of finger prints and scratches , ,,, ya nice touchscreen but they should have had 2 screens that way the main action would stay un harmed,, but , they aint nintendo they aint smart, , and charging 250 for a downgraded vita then what we were shwon at tgs/e3 lol ya thats a smack in the fact and now its delayed til 2012 give me a break wii u is coming the same year for maybe 300-350 ,, and if it is 300 , i will buy it even at 350 100 more for better product count me in ,,

cause i most certainly will not enjoy ps3 games being downgraded on a vita, thank you , and them slapping features like touch screens , and panels fancy graphics, ya that alone is scary you think paying 40 for a 3ds game is expensive - but hey that will pale in comparision to 59.99 vita games lol

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] The same way, Uncharted: Golden Abyss is the same game as Uncharted 1 or 2 with touch controls. Or for that matter, every game is the same as its predecessor with some differences. Your arguments are nothing, buddy. Come up with something better. And we're talking aout what Nintendo is doing- Nintendo isn't porting Rayman, Metal Gear or Street Fighter. GreySeal9

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

When that part was so flawed, can you really blame him?

Also, while Mario Kart 7 is not likely to have big differences (and neither is Uncharted on the Vita), you haven't played the game, so your point doesn't hold any water.

It may be a kart racing game, but it's still a new game. And then you have the new Kid Icarus (a franchise that hasn't had an entry since the NES days),a new Luigi's Mansion, a whole new Paper Mario, and a whole new Mario game.

So that's a Mario game, a sequel to an AWFUL Nes game, a mario game, a mario game and a mario game. Mmmm. Innovation.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]:( Coolyfett was seeking advice....Coolyfett never played any FF games, thats why he was asking...never mind.

TrapJak

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]I like how you ignored that long ass list of remakes just to focus on that one tiny part of my post.

Oh, and you left out the fact that Uncharted: Golden Abyss will have a 10+ hour AAA-level console tier campaign and story that can coexist with the console games. The game might as well be called Uncharted 4, or Uncharted Zero. While Mario Kart might as well be a madden game. The only difference will be some new maps, characters, and doing the same s*** youve been doing since N64 but with accelerometer controlls. (actually, since SNES, but thats besides the point)

Chemical_Viking

When that part was so flawed, can you really blame him?

Also, while Mario Kart 7 is not likely to have big differences (and neither is Uncharted on the Vita), you haven't played the game, so your point doesn't hold any water.

It may be a kart racing game, but it's still a new game. And then you have the new Kid Icarus (a franchise that hasn't had an entry since the NES days),a new Luigi's Mansion, a whole new Paper Mario, and a whole new Mario game.

So that's a Mario game, a sequel to an AWFUL Nes game, a mario game, a mario game and a mario game. Mmmm. Innovation.

3DS is failing? News to me.

Last I hear it still has sold around 3 million units within 5 months...

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

When that part was so flawed, can you really blame him?

Also, while Mario Kart 7 is not likely to have big differences (and neither is Uncharted on the Vita), you haven't played the game, so your point doesn't hold any water.

It may be a kart racing game, but it's still a new game. And then you have the new Kid Icarus (a franchise that hasn't had an entry since the NES days),a new Luigi's Mansion, a whole new Paper Mario, and a whole new Mario game.

Shinobishyguy

So that's a Mario game, a sequel to an AWFUL Nes game, a mario game, a mario game and a mario game. Mmmm. Innovation.

I didn't even suggest they were. Why would you realise this?

3DS is failing? News to me.

Last I hear it still has sold around 3 million units within 5 months...

Wasdie

Impressive numbers, or at least they look like that to the untrained eye. Unfortunately it did not meet the targets expected, in fact it has been a failure to this point, and as a result, Nintendo have made a £325 million quarterly loss, they are cutting the price at an unprecedented level in terms of both volume and timeframe. Certain analysts are suggesting these cuts will harm Nintendo even more in the long term. JP Morgan, a leading financial company, changed it's view on Nintendo from "overweight" to "underweight" because of this.

It'd be nice to ignore the facts on this issue and pretend the 3DS is doing excellently, that "chocolate rations are up" and that "we have always been at war with Eastasia" (i.e. whatever propaganda the hardcore fans come up with) but unfortunately, the system is underpowered, it has a nice gimmick that changes nothing long term, it has an incredibly weak library and up to this point in time, it's failing.

That isn't to say it wont come out of this at all, but let's not pretend its doing amazingly.

There's no reason to buy one over a smartphone these days. Vita will come up against similar problems, but hopefully it will be too powerful to fail. You have to give them something people want that they can't get as good elsewhere. The 3D is decent, but once you've seen it, it doesn't say to me anything truly unmissable and if anything, my games look better on iphone or ipad. Games like Avadon, cost £6, or Ascendency or Infinity Blade. These cost a fraction of 3DS games, so why for out extra when I can do much more on these devices than a pure handheld games machine?

I made this point a long time ago and was shot down. These handheld devices are all things to everyone and they are going to affect the handheld gaming industry in severe, sometimes positive ways.

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So that's a Mario game, a sequel to an AWFUL Nes game, a mario game, a mario game and a mario game. Mmmm. Innovation.

Chemical_Viking

I didn't even suggest they were. Why would you realise this?

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]I didn't realize platformers, kart racers, and rpg's were all the same genre :|Shinobishyguy

I didn't even suggest they were. Why would you realise this?

They are not incredibly different. They are the same franchises featuring the exact same characters Nintendo has been rerereleasing for generations now. That's why they are lumped together.

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I didn't even suggest they were. Why would you realise this?

Chemical_Viking

They are not incredibly different. They are the same franchises featuring the exact same characters Nintendo has been rerereleasing for generations now. That's why they are lumped together.

The only thing they have in common is the characters and set pieces.

I wish I had something that failed like everyone thinks Nin is having...everyone complains about the wii..its made millions....everyone complaining about the 3ds and its selling great and going to keep selling well...SO please let me have something fail so hard..I wish people would move on and quit assuming they know something OR believe everything they read.

Well the DS and the Wii succeeded by utilizing a unique interface combined with the lowest price point. The past 5 months of 3DS hasn't been either of those. Hell smartphones are doing 3D screens and the DS already did the touch screen thing. The PSP had better graphics and an analogue nub. Nintendo hasn't succeeded when this is their situation. The Vita is a more natural evolution of the PSP, especially in the ways it improves online functionality.