Nintnedo: Without them games would stay the same?

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

Willy105

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

yes that's called milkage and most companies (except SEGA) tend to stay away from that.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Where do you guys get this idea? Maybe same franchises, but they have evolved, and I am sick of this argument now. People were calling Kid ICarus 3DS a rehash when there hasn't been a Kid Icarus game in 20 years, and it was nothing like the 3DS one.Willy105

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

that just means they are making the same game slightly differently. that is called a rehash.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

I didn't say that it wasn't influenced by the Wii. I said that they aren't "joining the bandwagon," as evidence by the fact that they've been toying around with motion control and motion sensing for years already. Their design and direction may have been influenced by Wii motion control, but the point is that motion control itself was not innovated by Nintendo this generation.

ThePlothole

But would Sony have even bothered to release a Motion controller like Move, let alone put this level of support behind it, if not for the Wii? That is the question.

I suppose in truth it doesn't matter so much who is the real innovator. Often an idea will come along initially and not gain very much traction, only for someone else to come along later and market it much more successfully. The Atari 2600 was not the first home console to use proper cartridges, but I doubt most people have ever even heard of the "Fairchild Channel F".

*cough* Apple iPod *cough*

There's that, and the awesome games they make. I can't imagine gaming without Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, F-Zero... well you get the point.SaltyMeatballs

Yup, this. DON'T FORGET SMASH BROS! :x

[QUOTE="OwnallConsoles"]

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Shadow2k6

Camera stick? :? I guess you mean dual analog, which your wrong. That goes to Sony. The Dualshock was the first console controller to have dual analog.

camera stick? Nintendo made the Camera Stick? What's a Camera Stick?

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

camera stick? Nintendo made the Camera Stick? What's a Camera Stick?

darkspineslayer

bingo. clearly the kid never played N64. the analog stick was for movement, the C-Arrows were for looking around in FPS's.

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

[QUOTE="OwnallConsoles"]

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

2mrw

you're forgeting that MS and Sony, MS especially, have HUGE r&d departments (and budgets) unlike nintendo.

Im pretty sure if we waited long enough we would still have some of things today. Nintendo just managed to push them into the market first

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

cowgriller

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

Yep, as much as you don't want to believe it, they are original, just play SMG2, WindWaker and Prime to see it ok, they are nothing like Super Matio Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda or Super Metroid, and God knows i'm not even talking about graphics.

yes, nintendo paved the way for console gaming but,Nintendo was very very close to goingout of business years ago (because their games got stale/shovelware)..I think we should all thank sony for as far as console gaming has come. they rescued nintendo and gaming in general

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

madsnakehhh

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

Yep, as much as you don't want to believe it, they are original, just play SMG2, WindWaker and Prime to see it ok, they are nothing like Super Matio Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda or Super Metroid, and God knows i'm not even talking about graphics.

no thank you. i dont play chilrens games.

yes, nintendo paved the way for console gaming but,Nintendo was very very close to goingout of business years ago (because their games got stale/shovelware)..I think we should all thank sony for as far as console gaming has come. they rescued nintendo and gaming in general

ultraking

Huh? The last time Nintendo was in serious financial trouble was long before the NES. Even while their last two generations of home consoles were lagging behind in overall sales, they weren't really losing money.

Are you sure you're not confusing Nintendo with Atari?

so many different companies help to move gaming forward to say this is just foolish.

ape excape and the dual analogue sticks is an example

Doom and the fps

heavy rain

xbox 1 and the hdd

sega channel

and the list goes on. it has been a communtiy effort

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Yep, as much as you don't want to believe it, they are original, just play SMG2, WindWaker and Prime to see it ok, they are nothing like Super Matio Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda or Super Metroid, and God knows i'm not even talking about graphics.

themagicbum9720

no thank you. i dont play chilrens games.

then you're not looking hard enough.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

madsnakehhh

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

Yep, as much as you don't want to believe it, they are original, just play SMG2, WindWaker and Prime to see it ok, they are nothing like Super Matio Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda or Super Metroid, and God knows i'm not even talking about graphics.

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

OwnallConsoles

Nintendo has accomplished a lot. They keep coming with new innovations but people kind of just shun them. Nintendo was the company that carried gaming from the very beginning. Elian2530

[QUOTE="OwnallConsoles"]

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

AdrianWerner

Gaming is in large part what it is now thanks to Nintendo.IronBass

You do know once apon a time console and pc gaming were the same thing, right Foliage-King

back in the day 8)

Back in the day PCs were all properitory AND DIDNT HAVE REPLACABLE PARTS. Gaming on consoles and pc have the same start.

It's not a objectively positive thing though. Instead it depends on your preferences.AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

cowgriller

Yep, as much as you don't want to believe it, they are original, just play SMG2, WindWaker and Prime to see it ok, they are nothing like Super Matio Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda or Super Metroid, and God knows i'm not even talking about graphics.

no thank you. i dont play chilrens games.

I don't see how that relates to the topic since Mario is clearly for all ages.

Back in the day PCs were all properitory AND DIDNT HAVE REPLACABLE PARTS. Gaming on consoles and pc have the same start.

Foliage-King

So no, they didn't have the same start.

What's more, I fail to see how it has anything do with with modern pcgaming being any different from how it is now with or without Nintendo. Well.. I guess computer gaming as a whole would be a lot better if Nintendo never entered the gaming market.

Back in the day PCs were all properitory AND DIDNT HAVE REPLACABLE PARTS. Gaming on consoles and pc have the same start.

Foliage-King

I would say, all things considered, Nintendo's overall influence on the PC DOS/Windows platform was negligible although certainly the PC did not exist as an entirely separate entity from console gaming. Whereas Nintendo targeted youthful audiences and focused on providing simple, easy-to-play arcade style experiences, the PC market in the 80s flourished with adventure, edutainment/simulation and computer RPG games (as distinct from the console variety popular more in Japan than the West). Then by the 90s, the modern first person shooter originated on PC (Wolfenstein 3D, Doom) and the modern third person shooter originated on basically every platform but Nintendo's (I would argue Tomb Raider deserves the credit for popularizing the genre in '96, a game which was equally popular on both PC and Playstation 1).

Since these particular genres have in turn come to dominate most of gaming as we know it today (at least in the West), I'm not sure where to place Nintendo's influence exactly on modern gaming.

There was definitely a point in history where the line between console and home computer wasn't so clear. Just look at the Odyssey 2. And think for a minute... what was the original Japanese version of the NES called?

Even if nintendo did not make lots of these ideas they were the first to have the guts to put a lot of support behind it.

It would be a very different industry i'll say that much. But then again the same goes for both Sony and MS.nintendo-4life

No it can't. what has MS ever done to change gaming?

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]It would be a very different industry i'll say that much. But then again the same goes for both Sony and MS._zeldredz_

No it can't. what has MS ever done to change gaming?

Lol, Nintendo is nothing. Consumers decied what direction gaming goes, not the companies. If a company makes a game that nobody buys, they have two choices. Either make what the consumer wants or go out of business. So your title should be "Without consumers, gaming would stay the same.". Nintendo (or any other company for that matter) doesn't change gaming, the consumer does. Make a game that's been done 40 times before and see how fast I run out and buy it. I won't. Devs know this and because of us consumers, the devs change things up to try and get our money. Somebody else would have just did these things if Nintendo wasn't around. After all, they do want our money and will do what's needed to get it.

Dreamcast had online play. 3DO had internal memory (technically battery backed RAM, but the concept was similar).

you forgot that they single-handedly saved the console gaming industry in 1984.

i agree. ninty have made a HUGE contribution to gaming, and they still are, and still will

you forgot that they single-handedly saved the console gaming industry in 1984.

i agree. ninty have made a HUGE contribution to gaming, and they still are, and still will

gamedude234

The irony is that because of the collapse of the console market in North America, Nintendo originally planned to bring their system over seas in the form of a home computer called the AVS (Advanced Video System). It would have come with a wireless (IR) keyboard, tape drive, and BASIC interpreter. When initial reactions were less than positive they stripped it down, giving us what we now know as the Nintendo Entertainment System.

A thought... if Nintendo hadn't revived the console market, then perhaps many home computers today would still be built around the television rather than a dedicated monitor? I mean one of the main reasons consoles are popular is because you can play them on a nice big screen in your living room (or wherever). That would certainly have had an impact on things like the web.

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

Back in the day PCs were all properitory AND DIDNT HAVE REPLACABLE PARTS. Gaming on consoles and pc have the same start.

SakusEnvoy

I would say, all things considered, Nintendo's overall influence on the PC DOS/Windows platform was negligible although certainly the PC did not exist as an entirely separate entity from console gaming. Whereas Nintendo targeted youthful audiences and focused on providing simple, easy-to-play arcade style experiences, the PC market in the 80s flourished with adventure, edutainment/simulation and computer RPG games (as distinct from the console variety popular more in Japan than the West). Then by the 90s, the modern first person shooter originated on PC (Wolfenstein 3D, Doom) and the modern third person shooter originated on basically every platform but Nintendo's (I would argue Tomb Raider deserves the credit for popularizing the genre in '96, a game which was equally popular on both PC and Playstation 1).

Since these particular genres have in turn come to dominate most of gaming as we know it today (at least in the West), I'm not sure where to place Nintendo's influence exactly on modern gaming.

you forgot that they single-handedly saved the console gaming industry in 1984.

i agree. ninty have made a HUGE contribution to gaming, and they still are, and still will

gamedude234

Lol, Nintendo is nothing. Consumers decied what direction gaming goes, not the companies.

TheGreatOutdoor

Dreamcast had online play. 3DO had internal memory (technically battery backed RAM, but the concept was similar).

Motion sensing, analogue Sticks, and Touch screen were there way before Nintendo even bothered to utilize the technology. It's not about who invented what. It's about who takes the hardware and present it in a very unique and influential fashion. I don't know about the internal memory but I can tell you right now Dreamcast's online is nothing compared to MS.nintendo-4life

Inventions are nothing if they do not serve a practical purpose. In fact, machine guns were invented centuries before the Gatling gun, but none of them were practical.

I would say this: without Nintendo and its NES, the Japanese would have not an influential presence in video gaming. Video gaming would be Western-driven and would be a different place today.

Dreamcast had online play. 3DO had internal memory (technically battery backed RAM, but the concept was similar).

I know. I made a similar point in an earlier post.

Technically all last generation consoles had some level of online functionality. Even the GameCube (though I only recall one game on the platform that ever took advantage of it). I suppose Microsoft did influence the Sony to giving the PS3 a more centralized service. Though so far Microsoft's strategy of making consumers pay just to play online hasn't caught on with other manufacturers, and frankly I'm grateful for that.