Non-gamers and Casuals harming Gaming?

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

In that sense, yes, casuals would be harming the industry.  Whenever you sacrifice quality in order to make a profit, you completely betray your niche userbase, which is ultimatley detrimental.

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its threads like these that are harming gaming

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its threads like these that are harming gaming

midnite_toker22

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its threads like these that are harming gaming

midnite_toker22

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

redCloudJ7

To a certain extent....

I say we let EA deal with the casuals.Mizuke

Hardcore gamers hurt too. Their attitude towards gaming being only for them tends to keep people from getting into gaming...which in turn hurts everyone.

But, the idea that casual games (like puzzels or mini-games) ruleing the market is silly. The fact is that those types of games already rule the market on PC's and cell phones and mobile games. Still, GeoW has no problem selling multi-million copies. The fact is that there will always be a market for adventure or narrative or epic gaming.
goblaa

They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers.  If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc.  It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

ArisShadows

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Hardcore gamers hurt too. Their attitude towards gaming being only for them tends to keep people from getting into gaming...which in turn hurts everyone.

But, the idea that casual games (like puzzels or mini-games) ruleing the market is silly. The fact is that those types of games already rule the market on PC's and cell phones and mobile games. Still, GeoW has no problem selling multi-million copies. The fact is that there will always be a market for adventure or narrative or epic gaming.
Gamer46

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.ArisShadows

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.ArisShadows

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.coolguy1111

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

redCloudJ7

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.coolguy1111

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.goblaa

Hardcore gamers hurt too. Their attitude towards gaming being only for them tends to keep people from getting into gaming...which in turn hurts everyone.

But, the idea that casual games (like puzzels or mini-games) ruleing the market is silly. The fact is that those types of games already rule the market on PC's and cell phones and mobile games. Still, GeoW has no problem selling multi-million copies. The fact is that there will always be a market for adventure or narrative or epic gaming.
goblaa

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.goblaa

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

Your also assuming that game developers get into their job for the money. Which is laughable since game developers tend to make next to nothing. Your assuming that everyone will sell-out and that no developer is making games because it's their passion.

If developers just wanted to make a quick buck, they would have gotten into insurence.
goblaa

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.goblaa

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.coolguy1111

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Your also assuming that game developers get into their job for the money. Which is laughable since game developers tend to make next to nothing. Your assuming that everyone will sell-out and that no developer is making games because it's their passion.

If developers just wanted to make a quick buck, they would have gotten into insurence.
redCloudJ7

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.ArisShadows

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.coolguy1111

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.goblaa

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.goblaa

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

ArisShadows

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

redCloudJ7

I agree 100%,  Look @ what casual's have done to Nintendo....   The wii will be the first Nintendo system I am going to skip, thx to casual's and lame controls.  Could you imagine if they dumbed down a game like Ninja Gaiden for ps3...... or Halo 3 for the Xbox 360 to "make it more appealing" to casuals..... I would quit console gaming.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]They are harming gaming, especially the non-gamers. If the Wii continues it's current run of success games like Cooking Mama, and Nintendogs become the main focus of developers, killing off stuff like MGS, God of War, FF, GTA, RE, etc. It's said, but this is where Nintendo wants to take the market.Gamer46

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

shaggymcp

I agree 100%,  Look @ what casual's have done to Nintendo....   The wii will be the first Nintendo system I am going to skip, thx to casual's and lame controls.  Could you imagine if they dumbed down a game like Ninja Gaiden for ps3...... or Halo 3 for the Xbox 360 to "make it more appealing" to casuals..... I would quit console gaming.