Non-gamers and Casuals harming Gaming?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]
Nintendo doesn't care about gamers yet it is targeting more demographics then the PS3 and the 360. If the Wii appeals to more people then how is it not caring. Its trying to reach out to everyone. You guys that complain about how Wii will destroy gaming by casualizing it our ridiculous and scared.

You are so scared that the Wii will win. What you fail to realize is that even if Wii wins that doesn't mean that Playstation and Xbox will cease to exist. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube didn't win yet Nintendo is still around. There will always be a place for all gamers in the industry period. I mean were people crying when Sony casualized the market? No, so shut up and get over it nobody is going to destroy gaming.Gamer46

Has this been brought up at all?  

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry.   By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups.  Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well)  for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of  games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

redCloudJ7

Does the average person watching a movie ruin the film industry? No. does a non-librarian reading a novel ruin the literaturary (sp?) industry? No. Do n00bs ruin the internet? Oh, wait...Truewiseblade

Does the average person watching a movie ruin the film industry? No. does a non-librarian reading a novel ruin the literaturary (sp?) industry? No. Do n00bs ruin the internet? Oh, wait...Truewiseblade

the very thought of 'hardcore' gamers being afraid that the non-gamer scene will somehow completely uproot everything in gamings past and cause a gaming apocolypse is amusing, to say the least.edeasknight

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]
All sides of this argument need to read this post....

Nintendo doesn't care about gamers yet it is targeting more demographics then the PS3 and the 360. If the Wii appeals to more people then how is it not caring? Its trying to reach out to everyone. You guys that complain about how Wii will destroy gaming by casualizing it are ridiculous and scared.

You are so scared that the Wii will win. What you fail to realize is that even if Wii wins that doesn't mean that Playstation and Xbox will cease to exist. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube didn't win yet Nintendo is still around. There will always be a place for all gamers in the industry period. I mean were people crying when Sony casualized the market? No, so shut up and get over it nobody is going to destroy gaming.

If anybody were to destroy gaming it would be these elitist that think that non-gamers and casuals shouldn't be allowed to game. That is basically what you are implying. Who are you guys to say that only you guys should be able to enjoy games and that casuals and non-gamers shouldn't have games made for them also? That's just wrong....You aren't better then them you shouldn't be the only one to have games made for you, there should be games readily available for all ages, demographics, genres, and genders not just for hardcore gamers. The industry "limiting" itself to only catoring to one demographic is far more probable for the death of video gaming rather then the expansion of it through casuals and non-gamers.

redCloudJ7

I agree that any extreme is not good for gaming. redCloudJ7

i agree completely,thats why games like madden and nba live keep on coming out year after year with little or no difference from the previous game.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]
Nintendo doesn't care about gamers yet it is targeting more demographics then the PS3 and the 360. If the Wii appeals to more people then how is it not caring. Its trying to reach out to everyone. You guys that complain about how Wii will destroy gaming by casualizing it our ridiculous and scared.

You are so scared that the Wii will win. What you fail to realize is that even if Wii wins that doesn't mean that Playstation and Xbox will cease to exist. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube didn't win yet Nintendo is still around. There will always be a place for all gamers in the industry period. I mean were people crying when Sony casualized the market? No, so shut up and get over it nobody is going to destroy gaming.Metroid_Time

i agree completely,thats why games like madden and nba live keep on coming out year after year with little or no difference from the previous game.

mlbslugger86

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You know, you think casual gamers and non-gamers are ruining your fun, have you ever heard of difficulty settings? They wont make the games easier, they'll obviously just have different difficulty settings. For example, Gears of War, you got the casual difficulty for casuals or non gamers. While you got Hardcore and Insane for hardcore gamers that enjoy a challenge. Dunno why your worrying o.o
Sakura321

How do they harm gaming? Kikouken

Games are getting more and more expensive nowadays, if gaming sticks to a hardcore gaming demograph then the industry will ultimately grow inward. The industry will lose money and the truely expensive and grand games will not be able to be made. If you want epic games to still be made you are going to have to accept the fact that more casuals need to get into games. samusarmada

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You know, you think casual gamers and non-gamers are ruining your fun, have you ever heard of difficulty settings? They wont make the games easier, they'll obviously just have different difficulty settings. For example, Gears of War, you got the casual difficulty for casuals or non gamers. While you got Hardcore and Insane for hardcore gamers that enjoy a challenge. Dunno why your worrying o.o
Sakura321

Has this been brought up at all?

I have heard people claim that too many non-gamer and casual consumers can actually harm the industry. By causing more developers to make games that appeal to these groups. Instead of focusing and creating new original properties for the hardcore groups. Causing the majority of developers to focus on the non-gamer and casual consumers. The major franchises (that sell very well) for the hardcore would be intact. However the majority of games would be "dumbed" down making them more accessible to non-gamers and casuals. And developers would neglect the hardcore groups in order a to secure greater profit.

What do think about this?

Is this true?

redCloudJ7

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]
All sides of this argument need to read this post....

Nintendo doesn't care about gamers yet it is targeting more demographics then the PS3 and the 360. If the Wii appeals to more people then how is it not caring? Its trying to reach out to everyone. You guys that complain about how Wii will destroy gaming by casualizing it are ridiculous and scared.

You are so scared that the Wii will win. What you fail to realize is that even if Wii wins that doesn't mean that Playstation and Xbox will cease to exist. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube didn't win yet Nintendo is still around. There will always be a place for all gamers in the industry period. I mean were people crying when Sony casualized the market? No, so shut up and get over it nobody is going to destroy gaming.

If anybody were to destroy gaming it would be these elitist that think that non-gamers and casuals shouldn't be allowed to game. That is basically what you are implying. Who are you guys to say that only you guys should be able to enjoy games and that casuals and non-gamers shouldn't have games made for them also? That's just wrong....You aren't better then them you shouldn't be the only one to have games made for you, there should be games readily available for all ages, demographics, genres, and genders not just for hardcore gamers. The industry "limiting" itself to only catoring to one demographic is far more probable for the death of video gaming rather then the expansion of it through casuals and non-gamers.

redCloudJ7

I agree that any extreme is not good for gaming. redCloudJ7

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]
All sides of this argument need to read this post....

Nintendo doesn't care about gamers yet it is targeting more demographics then the PS3 and the 360. If the Wii appeals to more people then how is it not caring? Its trying to reach out to everyone. You guys that complain about how Wii will destroy gaming by casualizing it are ridiculous and scared.

You are so scared that the Wii will win. What you fail to realize is that even if Wii wins that doesn't mean that Playstation and Xbox will cease to exist. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube didn't win yet Nintendo is still around. There will always be a place for all gamers in the industry period. I mean were people crying when Sony casualized the market? No, so shut up and get over it nobody is going to destroy gaming.

If anybody were to destroy gaming it would be these elitist that think that non-gamers and casuals shouldn't be allowed to game. That is basically what you are implying. Who are you guys to say that only you guys should be able to enjoy games and that casuals and non-gamers shouldn't have games made for them also? That's just wrong....You aren't better then them you shouldn't be the only one to have games made for you, there should be games readily available for all ages, demographics, genres, and genders not just for hardcore gamers. The industry "limiting" itself to only catoring to one demographic is far more probable for the death of video gaming rather then the expansion of it through casuals and non-gamers.

Blackbond

I agree that any extreme is not good for gaming. redCloudJ7

If casula games take only a month to make (a gross underestimate) and make tons of cash, where do you think the extra money will go? do you really think it will just sit in the company coffers? Or will it get used to fund more ambitous projects? Or maybe it will be used to keep the devs from going belly up as is so common these days.
goblaa

7 pages of posts and this is the only mention of one of the main concepts that I feel is key to this arguement. "Gamers" want all these expansive, rich totally imersive games. There's a reason that these games are in development for years. They take time and money to make. That money and time comes from the creation and sale of the "garbage" that people are complaining about.

Personally, I think we're a long way from a flood of casual games that ruin the market. I think the 8-bit days had a heck of a lot more garbage than we're likely to see now. Are games easier now, maybe, maybe not. I got to the end of a lot more NES games than any other console.