Now that GS is destined to flop Metroid

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

I have heard nothing but good things about Metroid Prime 3's control scheme.

Tylendal

Once again, yes, I agree, and it's going to be awesome. The problem is that, apparently, GS doesn't like using the pointer constantly.

Its not about using the pointer its about the screen moving any time you need to scratch an itch or set the controller down.

Here is a good idea, any time you want to move the pointer on screen you have to hold down the button on the nunchuk. Then you release when you don't. Keeping it constant isn't necessary.

Actually, I think you'll turn with the Analog stick, just like in the first two.

Umm I must've worded that incorrectly. You turn with the analog, but turn on/off the pointer with your index finger on the nunchuk. Whatever that button is. The point is control the motion on the wiimote so you can give your hand some breathing room whenever you don't need to be using your gun.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Its not about using the pointer its about the screen moving any time you need to scratch an itch or set the controller down.

Here is a good idea, any time you want to move the pointer on screen you have to hold down the button on the nunchuk. Then you release when you don't. Keeping it constant isn't necessary.

Bread_or_Decide

Actually, I think you'll turn with the Analog stick, just like in the first two.

Umm I must've worded that incorrectly. You turn with the analog, but turn on/off the pointer with your index finger on the nunchuk. Whatever that button is. The point is control the motion on the wiimote so you can give your hand some breathing room whenever you don't need to be using your gun.

In my experiance with Trauma Center, I actually had the most control when I was just lying down with the controller resting on my leg. That doesn't sound like too much of a strain.

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Why dont you take your Kiddy/Casual BS somewhere else,

No one here cares for the Wii

NobuoMusicMaker

Yeah, how dare you have to hold a controller forward, that's too damn hard! I mean, effort outside of thumbs?!? It's all caual BS!!!

/sarcasm

How about doing that for 10 hours?

Either way, I have never heard complaints about the controls in Metroid Prime 3, so chances are there won't be a problem.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Its not about using the pointer its about the screen moving any time you need to scratch an itch or set the controller down.

Here is a good idea, any time you want to move the pointer on screen you have to hold down the button on the nunchuk. Then you release when you don't. Keeping it constant isn't necessary.

Tylendal

Actually, I think you'll turn with the Analog stick, just like in the first two.

Umm I must've worded that incorrectly. You turn with the analog, but turn on/off the pointer with your index finger on the nunchuk. Whatever that button is. The point is control the motion on the wiimote so you can give your hand some breathing room whenever you don't need to be using your gun.

In my experiance with Trauma Center, I actually had the most control when I was just lying down with the controller resting on my leg. That doesn't sound like too much of a strain.

Saying its a strain may be too much but I don't think it would hurt to give an extra level of control over your movement.

Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

subrosian

I completely agree, its sad that there whining about it so much...

Sheep are the entitlement fanboys. "Nintendo saved gaming we deserve it!" "Nintendo is classic they deserve it!" "Wii is innovative it deserves it!"

Good grief I've never seen a group of fanboys who want all the glory based on reputation alone.

Bread_or_Decide

Jeff has the "balls" to be honest? Its not that I care about Scarface. But the fact remains: he isn't reviewing properly! He is biased against the Wii! Their review system is suppose to be "unbiased." This just killed their credibility

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Sheep are the entitlement fanboys. "Nintendo saved gaming we deserve it!" "Nintendo is classic they deserve it!" "Wii is innovative it deserves it!"

Good grief I've never seen a group of fanboys who want all the glory based on reputation alone.

GunSmith1_basic

Cows learned their lesson didn't they? Sheep must too. They are entitled to nothing. If a game sucks it sucks. End of story.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

GunSmith1_basic

Should we just brace for impact, sheep?

You know the game's going to be great. I know the game's going to be great. The haters know it's going to be great. But, according to GS's review of Scarface, their biggest gripe with the controls was having to keep the pointerin the center of the screen.

Now, the only real problem here is that, apparently, GS is an old dinosaur who can't manage to learn a new control scheme. Hell, Call of Duty made you keep the pointer in the center, and GS flopped it. They're going to base their entire view of Metroid on their inability to play it.

Last I checked, Greg didn't flop Ninja Gaiden because a lot of people sucked at it. But I guess since he's gone, there's no one to come in and say, "Dude, you suck at the game; don't count that against it".

*sigh* We're gonna have a helluva flame war when Metroid gets flopped (notice I say "gets flopped" instead of "flops", because anyone with half a brain knows it's AAA).

Michael85

First off you pan them for their reviews and then state "anyone with half a brain knows it's AAA"......excuse me? come on now. A game is not a AAA till you can at least play it. Just because it has Mario in it does not qualify it as a great game. Just because God of War 1&2 did great doesn't mean 3 is automatically a lock for greatness. Stop assuming it's a lock and anything but AAA status means they are bias. Nintendo still has to show up and deliver.

Now before you say gamespot is soooooooo biased against Wii, explain how WarioWare got a 9.1.......

Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

subrosian

Just about everywhere else it received 9.5's, 10's and numerous GOTY awards. Who should I believe......the opinion of one person or the opinion of the majority of people. Hell....do you honestly agree about GS giving warioware a higher score than TP and super paper mario? The point is that GS isn't the be all end all review source.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Sheep are the entitlement fanboys. "Nintendo saved gaming we deserve it!" "Nintendo is classic they deserve it!" "Wii is innovative it deserves it!"

Good grief I've never seen a group of fanboys who want all the glory based on reputation alone.

Bread_or_Decide

Cows learned their lesson didn't they? Sheep must too. They are entitled to nothing. If a game sucks it sucks. End of story.

Why dont you take your Kiddy/Casual BS somewhere else,

No one here cares for the Wii

TheOwnerOner

More people care about it then whatever you play. Its got the most supporters and the most bashers on the forum.

here's the thing....GS was probably one of the few if not the only place to flop TP.

Just about everywhere else it received 9.5's, 10's and numerous GOTY awards. Who should I believe......the opinion of one person or the opinion of the majority of people. Hell....do you honestly agree about GS giving warioware a higher score than TP and super paper mario? The point is that GS isn't the be all end all review source.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"][QUOTE="tree-branch"]

gamespot wont flop metroif prime,

metroid prime will flop itself by it being a bad game.

tree-branch

The past two games have been AAA, what makes you think it will be bad?

because it looks bad.

• Yeah like Metroid Prime 1 and 2 being AAA?
• Like Metroid Prime getting a 9.7?
• Like Metroid Prime being the highest rated exclusive last gen?
• Like Metroid Prime being #3 on Gamerankings?

Go back to playing Sonic because you have no taste in games period. You don't even know what makes a good game. It will score bad because it looks bad? Absolutely pathetic.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]here's the thing....GS was probably one of the few if not the only place to flop TP.

Just about everywhere else it received 9.5's, 10's and numerous GOTY awards. Who should I believe......the opinion of one person or the opinion of the majority of people. Hell....do you honestly agree about GS giving warioware a higher score than TP and super paper mario? The point is that GS isn't the be all end all review source.

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

GunSmith1_basic

Not all the time... If a reviewer doesn't like the system, game series, or is biased for any reason, the game would get a bad score, even if the game was in fact good.

Should we just brace for impact, sheep?

You know the game's going to be great. I know the game's going to be great. The haters know it's going to be great. But, according to GS's review of Scarface, their biggest gripe with the controls was having to keep the pointerin the center of the screen.

Now, the only real problem here is that, apparently, GS is an old dinosaur who can't manage to learn a new control scheme. Hell, Call of Duty made you keep the pointer in the center, and GS flopped it. They're going to base their entire view of Metroid on their inability to play it.

Last I checked, Greg didn't flop Ninja Gaiden because a lot of people sucked at it. But I guess since he's gone, there's no one to come in and say, "Dude, you suck at the game; don't count that against it".

*sigh* We're gonna have a helluva flame war when Metroid gets flopped (notice I say "gets flopped" instead of "flops", because anyone with half a brain knows it's AAA).

Michael85

yeah gamespot is lazy i dont think they will flop metroid though only time will tell

if MP3 flops then there's no hope hope for FPS's on the Wii. I remember when people were saying the Wii would revolutionize FPS's! :lol: good times. dracula_16

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

brightshadow525

Not all the time... If a reviewer doesn't like the system, game series, or is biased for any reason, the game would get a bad score, even if the game was in fact good.

Should we just brace for impact, sheep?

You know the game's going to be great. I know the game's going to be great. The haters know it's going to be great. But, according to GS's review of Scarface, their biggest gripe with the controls was having to keep the pointerin the center of the screen.

Now, the only real problem here is that, apparently, GS is an old dinosaur who can't manage to learn a new control scheme. Hell, Call of Duty made you keep the pointer in the center, and GS flopped it. They're going to base their entire view of Metroid on their inability to play it.

Last I checked, Greg didn't flop Ninja Gaiden because a lot of people sucked at it. But I guess since he's gone, there's no one to come in and say, "Dude, you suck at the game; don't count that against it".

*sigh* We're gonna have a helluva flame war when Metroid gets flopped (notice I say "gets flopped" instead of "flops", because anyone with half a brain knows it's AAA).

Michael85

well yeah, if you can't even PLAY the game because the control scheme is so bad then what else are they gonna do?

I mean if PROFESSIONAL game reviewers, who have played more games than most anybody in here, can't get a games controls to work, how can you expect casual gamers to figure it out?

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Why dont you take your Kiddy/Casual BS somewhere else,

No one here cares for the Wii

NobuoMusicMaker

Yeah, how dare you have to hold a controller forward, that's too damn hard! I mean, effort outside of thumbs?!? It's all caual BS!!!

/sarcasm

How about doing that for 10 hours?

10 hours?! Who games for 10 hours straight?

Wiimote controls suck at first person and 3rd person shooters, OK. Thats the biggest problem.Tamarind_Face

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Why dont you take your Kiddy/Casual BS somewhere else,

No one here cares for the Wii

Odsplut

Yeah, how dare you have to hold a controller forward, that's too damn hard! I mean, effort outside of thumbs?!? It's all caual BS!!!

/sarcasm

How about doing that for 10 hours?

10 hours?! Who games for 10 hours straight?

[QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

I have heard nothing but good things about Metroid Prime 3's control scheme.

Bread_or_Decide

Once again, yes, I agree, and it's going to be awesome. The problem is that, apparently, GS doesn't like using the pointer constantly.

Its not about using the pointer its about the screen moving any time you need to scratch an itch or set the controller down.

Here is a good idea, any time you want to move the pointer on screen you have to hold down the button on the nunchuk. Then you release when you don't. Keeping it constant isn't necessary.

Or even better, you could do the old fashioned way of pausing the game.

Scarface got the review it deserved for being nothing more than a PS2 port with a Wiimote strapped to it. Get over it. Every time Jeff has the balls to be honest about yet another developer throwing a shoddy game on the Wii, all the Nintendo fanboys attack him for it. Are you really so blind that you want every reviewer to automatically hand out 7.0+ scores, just so you can gloat about how "great" the Wii is? Pathetic

GS flopped Shadowrun, did the 360 fanboys make thousands of forum posts about how "great" Shadowrun is, and how GS is biased, and they were just "too lazy" to deal with the ass-backwards LIVE interface on PC? No. They accepted that Shadowrun failed to live up to the epic source material, took the game for what it is, and moved on with their lives.

The only people who are deciding whether Metroid Prime 3 flops right now are working for Nintendo, not CNN - and if MP3 gets a bad review score it will be because Nintendo failed to deliver a quality game. Instead of chanting "MP3 is a good game, you know it will be, blah blah blah" based on a game *you've never seen or played* why not wait and see what Nintendo delivers? The only guarantee is that, just like the Twilight Princess review, if MP3 isn't handed a AAA score, Nintendo fans will be bashing the review, and the reviewer, before they've even played the game.

subrosian

Hardlya 'shoddy' Wii title. its plays very well, ask the majority of people who played it. I dont know what the hell is wrong with GS, maybe they have a broken Wii, but the controls are far from bad.

Not saying its a great game, because it has other problems, but the controls themseleves are GOOD, and so are the graphics.

Lots of peple do. besides gaming on the wii is no different than the effort it takes to move a mouse. I played twilight princess for 10 hours straight. The only issue might be a FPS, but I doubt. You can't compare the strain in wiisports to what a sit-down game would be likeGunSmith1_basic

I guess its me then. There is no way I could play for 10 hours straight. My eyes wouldn't be able to take it and I'd get bored. (Easily distracted :P) Agreed, you cannotcompare.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"][QUOTE="tree-branch"]

gamespot wont flop metroif prime,

metroid prime will flop itself by it being a bad game.

tree-branch

The past two games have been AAA, what makes you think it will be bad?

because it looks bad.

we all know that decides the game, i just hope to god they dont have jeff review this, he reviewed flopface, big surprise.

Why dont you take your Kiddy/Casual BS somewhere else,

No one here cares for the Wii

TheOwnerOner

No were taking it right here lol

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"][QUOTE="tree-branch"]

gamespot wont flop metroif prime,

metroid prime will flop itself by it being a bad game.

tree-branch

The past two games have been AAA, what makes you think it will be bad?

because it looks bad.

No it doesn't, it just doesn't look amazingly good.

It doesn't seem to me like the problem was with pointing the remote at the screen. Instead, the issue was with the actual aiming controls themselves. The reviewer didn't feel like he could aim and turn accurately. IGN didn't find this a problem at all, but then again, they didn't find a lot of things in the game problematic which the Gamespot reviwer did.

Considering that there are only two reviews of the game at this point in time, it's hard to say at this point which one is more accurate. But keep in mind that Gamespot simply doesn't like Scarface as a base game as much as IGN does (the PS2 version scored 6.4 here, and scored 8.7 at IGN).

If Metroid deserves AAA here, it will probably get it. But why whine about a review that hasn't even happened yet for a game that isn't even close to release?

If Metroid deserves AAA here, it will probably get it. But why whine about a review that hasn't even happened yet for a game that isn't even close to release?

sonicmj1

so true...

[QUOTE="mijkil"]I find it amazing that the same group of fanboys that spend so much time trying to kid themselves that they dont really care about GTA4, are crying over a review of a lame gta rip-off that absolutley noone else cares about.Bread_or_Decide

I know. Apparently nothing on the Wii can possibly suck. Waggle makes everything better, I guess it doesn't.

Oh for Christ's sakes, READ what I am typing.

I don't care that Scarface flopped. I'm suggesting that GS's inability to hold the pointer steady, as admitted in the Scarface review, will drag Metroid's score down below AAA. This is NOT a bash on GS for flopping a sub-par game. It's a bash on GS for sucking too much at a control scheme and counting it against the game.

You don't blame NinjaGaiden because you don't know when to push the X button in a combo. Similarly, they shouldn't count it against Scarface because they can't hold the pointer steady in a game where it's painfully obvious that doing so is rather simple (check out any video at IGN and you can tell they're not having a problem at all).

Now if you'd rather just ignore what I'm saying and continue spouting off crap like "Sheep think every game is supposed to be AAA 'cause of teh wiimote!!!!", the don't bother replying. In fact, if you don't understand, then do your own research because I'm not going over it a second time.

Oh for Christ's sakes, READ what I am typing.

I don't care that Scarface flopped. I'm suggesting that GS's inability to hold the pointer steady, as admitted in the Scarface review, will drag Metroid's score down below AAA. This is NOT a bash on GS for flopping a sub-par game. It's a bash on GS for sucking too much at a control scheme and counting it against the game.

You don't blame NinjaGaiden because you don't know when to push the X button in a combo. Similarly, they shouldn't count it against Scarface because they can't hold the pointer steady in a game where it's painfully obvious that doing so is rather simple (check out any video at IGN and you can tell they're not having a problem at all).

Now if you'd rather just ignore what I'm saying and continue spouting off crap like "Sheep think every game is supposed to be AAA 'cause of teh wiimote!!!!", the don't bother replying. In fact, if you don't understand, then do your own research because I'm not going over it a second time.

Michael85

Where does it say that they can't hold the pointer steady?

All I read was that the controls suck, and that the aiming calibration is terrible. "None of the four settings feels even remotely comfortable or easy to deal with, which means you're getting blasted while attempting to turn and fire."

How did "For starters, you need to constantly aim the remote at the screen, because it controls both your aiming and your camera movement," become "I can't hold a pointer steady"?

i think retro will nail the controls so it won't be an issue .. hopefully anyway

GS could still flop the game, but I won't mind as long as I like it

Where does it say that they can't hold the pointer steady?

All I read was that the controls suck, and that the aiming calibration is terrible. "None of the four settings feels even remotely comfortable or easy to deal with, which means you're getting blasted while attempting to turn and fire."

How did "For starters, you need to constantly aim the remote at the screen, because it controls both your aiming and your camera movement," become "I can't hold a pointer steady"?

sonicmj1

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/880/880697/vids_1.htm

No problems for reviewers with any small bit of hand-eye coordination. You do the math.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Where does it say that they can't hold the pointer steady?

All I read was that the controls suck, and that the aiming calibration is terrible. "None of the four settings feels even remotely comfortable or easy to deal with, which means you're getting blasted while attempting to turn and fire."

How did "For starters, you need to constantly aim the remote at the screen, because it controls both your aiming and your camera movement," become "I can't hold a pointer steady"?

Michael85

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/880/880697/vids_1.htm

No problems for reviewers with any small bit of hand-eye coordination. You do the math.

So IGN is automatically right here?

Jeff didn't have a problem shooting Moblins in Zelda with the Wii's controls. In the Gamecube review, he finds the Wiimote more accurate than the analog controls. Why would there be a problem here, if the controls were as accurate as Zelda's?

What FPS-style game doesn't have the crosshairs in the middle of the screen? I don't understand their complaint.

Also, who cares about GS's reviews any more. They're just as bad as any other place. Honestly, I like EGM and IGN much better for reviews. Too many of the editors on GS seem to want to make a name for themself by flopping a big game or putting out a controversial review.

If Metroid Prime 3 is a good enough game, it will still reach AAA, regardless of the controls.

Let's see if it stands the test of time in the switch of consoles.