Nvidia boss: No longer possible for consoles to have better graphics than PC

[QUOTE="Heclogit"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Economics 101. Opportunity cost look it up. They simply understood they could make more money else where. Namely the Mobile and PC markets.FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Well, what he says makes sense.  Graphics card makers never made $700 and up graphics cards before.  As long as they are willing to cram that much graphics technology on a card that vastly out-strips the price of what people are willing to pay for a console, it's literally impossible for consoles to keep up or even launch with a performance advantage.

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Apparently this Nvidia boss hasn't seen the Steam survey

FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="emgesp"] You are in the minority. The vast majority of PC gamers will be playing multiplats with weaker visuals than the PS4 versions for quite some time. emgesp

I understand the point you're trying to make. I just don't understand the significance of your point. PS4/X1 early adapters will also be a minority. I see no significance in your argument.

Shit gamers in general are a minority.

And I doubt your BF4 claim.  I bet BF4 barely sells barely more than 2 million across both next gen platforms.

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Again why should I care? The vast majority of people will still be gaming on the PS3 instead of the PS4. Do you really think PS4 owners will care?FPSfan1985

I understand the point you're trying to make. I just don't understand the significance of your point. PS4/X1 early adapters will also be a minority. I see no significance in your argument.

Shit gamers in general are a minority.

And I doubt your BF4 claim.  I bet BF4 barely sells barely more than 2 million across both next gen platforms.

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Again why should I care? The vast majority of people will still be gaming on the PS3 instead of the PS4. Do you really think PS4 owners will care?FPSfan1985

I understand the point you're trying to make. I just don't understand the significance of your point. PS4/X1 early adapters will also be a minority. I see no significance in your argument.

Shit gamers in general are a minority.

And I doubt your BF4 claim.  I bet BF4 barely sells barely more than 2 million across both next gen platforms.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

[QUOTE="emgesp"] The point I'm trying to make is that the PC master race is a small minority. More people will be playing BF4 on PS4/XB1 than those with high end gaming rigs playing the PC version. emgesp

I understand the point you're trying to make. I just don't understand the significance of your point. PS4/X1 early adapters will also be a minority. I see no significance in your argument.

Shit gamers in general are a minority.

And I doubt your BF4 claim.  I bet BF4 barely sells barely more than 2 million across both next gen platforms.

Tamasi: "Its no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC. Ill tell you why. In the past, certainly with the first PlayStation and PS2, in that era there werent really good graphics on the PC. Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC, but before that time 3D was the domain of Silicon Graphics and other 3D workstations. Sony, Sega or Nintendo could invest in bringing 3D graphics to a consumer platform. In fact, the PS2 was faster than a PC."

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PSP107

March 2000 NA release date = PS2

August 1999 release date = NVIDIA GeForce 256 (NV10)

April 2000 release date = ATI Radeon DDR (R100)

Late 1999 release date = S3 Savage 2000.

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[QUOTE="Heclogit"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

doubtful, they were offered the contract and they turned it down as it wasn't worth it to them.  It's not like they need it, unlike AMD

lostrib

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

 

I understand the point you're trying to make. I just don't understand the significance of your point. PS4/X1 early adapters will also be a minority. I see no significance in your argument.

 

Shit gamers in general are a minority.

 

And I doubt your BF4 claim.  I bet BF4 barely sells barely more than 2 million across both next gen platforms.

FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Apparently this Nvidia boss hasn't seen the Steam survey

emgesp

Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?TheKingIAm

Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?TheKingIAm

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-ax79503gbd52dhpp

Radeon HD 7950 @ 880MHz (3.154 TFLOPS) = $179.99.

Say what you want but Nvidia is 100% right on this.  If you want the best graphics then PC is your best option.  A $200 video card will absolutely smash PS4 and X1.

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"]Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?ronvalencia

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-ax79503gbd52dhpp

Radeon HD 7950 @ 880MHz (3.154 TFLOPS) = $179.99.

Why would NVIDIA have anything positive to say about consoles? They are still butthurt about Radeon making bank at the heart of every single gaming console.

Heclogit

LOL. Bank. Idiot.

You do know the margins are razer thin on those parts, right? Nvidia probably makes 100-200 times as much on a single GPU sale than AMD makes for every console one.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="emgesp"] PS4 version has high preorders already. Higher than COD: Ghosts. emgesp

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Are consolites getting more delusional as time goes by, or are they just growing in stupidity? Inquiring minds want to know!

Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?TheKingIAm

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Nvidia talking bad about consoles all of a sudden.... what a coincidence that the Wii U, XB1 & PS4 all have AMD GPUs in them.... weird, huh?

one day it might.

i remember reading something AMD put out a year ago talking about future chips and one day they hope to just to make a  chip that only has to be updated. Instead of selling new cards every year they could just sell users $50-$100 a year for an upgrade.

Once that day comes Ms/sony would just have to pay a bulk price  and get it for every system. Surely they would rather drop couple million on a update vs spending 100's of millions pushing a new product 

Nvidia talking bad about consoles all of a sudden.... what a coincidence that the Wii U, XB1 & PS4 all have AMD GPUs in them.... weird, huh?

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Thats all well and good. But how many X1/PS4s do you really expect to sell in the first few months. My guess is around 8 millions or so. No way BF4 tops more than 2mil with such a small pool of gamers and such a large list of games to choose from.Kinthalis

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Are consolites getting more delusional as time goes by, or are they just growing in stupidity? Inquiring minds want to know!

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Thats all well and good. But how many X1/PS4s do you really expect to sell in the first few months. My guess is around 8 millions or so. No way BF4 tops more than 2mil with such a small pool of gamers and such a large list of games to choose from.Kinthalis

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Are consolites getting more delusional as time goes by, or are they just growing in stupidity? Inquiring minds want to know!

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]if they have no stake in the consoles, it makes perfect sense for them to release info showing their products as the best options for gaming in regards to graphics and performance.

lostrib

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"]Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?CrownKingArthur

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Poor,salty Nvidia.:lol:

The only people who want their cards anymore are Hermits with more money than sense.:lol:

[QUOTE="CrownKingArthur"]

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"]Why do hermits say pc gaming is more affordable now than it was when gpu's are more expensive now than ever?mulalatum

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You know he was responding to a question regarding GPU being expensive

Tamasi: "Its no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC. Ill tell you why. In the past, certainly with the first PlayStation and PS2, in that era there werent really good graphics on the PC. Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC, but before that time 3D was the domain of Silicon Graphics and other 3D workstations. Sony, Sega or Nintendo could invest in bringing 3D graphics to a consumer platform. In fact, the PS2 was faster than a PC."

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PSP107

Thank you Captain Obvious. This isn't even news. Consolites could care less I'm sure. It's never been about power and graphics. It's about gameplay, fun and entertainment. You can have all the POWER & GRAPHICS in the world, but if the game SUCKS and isn't FUN, what's the point?

Gameplay, Fun & Entertainment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graphics, Power, Specs.

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

Tamasi: "Its no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC. Ill tell you why. In the past, certainly with the first PlayStation and PS2, in that era there werent really good graphics on the PC. Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC, but before that time 3D was the domain of Silicon Graphics and other 3D workstations. Sony, Sega or Nintendo could invest in bringing 3D graphics to a consumer platform. In fact, the PS2 was faster than a PC."

 

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blackace

Thank you Captain Obvious. This isn't even news. Consolites could care less I'm sure. It's never been about power and graphics. It's about gameplay, fun and entertainment. You can have all the POWER & GRAPHICS in the world, but if the game SUCKS and isn't FUN, what's the point?

Gameplay, Fun & Entertainment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graphics, Power, Specs.

You consolites are hilarious. Acting as though this was some marketing blurb from Nvidia or somehting.

It was an interview. Where he was asked questions. Questions he answered ACCURATELY.

Answers that have you consolites butthurt as all hell apparently.

"Graphics don't matter!"

The Xbox was also more powerful than PCs when it launched. It was a unified machine with a lot of ram (for the time) and a dedicated GPU with unified software that was built specifically for it based off DX. That was back in an area where PC GPUs were just beginning to take off. Software support was terrible (DX and OpenGL were aweful) and hardware was all over the place (many more than 2 graphics card companies and everybody had their own designs). Times have changed.

Even when the Xbox 360 came out it was pushing more polys than PCs were because PCs still didn't have unified shader GPUs. However when the G80 series of Nvidia GPUs came out the PCs have been putting a masive gap between them and consoles in terms of power. 

He is absolutely right. Today PCs are the king of graphics. PCs have the software and hardware support. Consoles have even moved to PC architectures because they are easier, more widely adapted, and have all of the modern hardware consoles used to get first.

The 360 was the last console to actually match or surpass high end gaming pc's in 2005 to mid 2006. And it was the first to use unified shader based gpu on the market. In Nov 2006 the PS3 was released with a gimped G70 based gpu (ie Geforce 7800). However that same time frame as the PS3 Nvidia release the almighty 8800GTX which was nearly 3x faster then the 360 or PS3.

Ever since then those consoles have been left in the dust. Now fast forward to 2013 MS and Sony are playing it smart by using whats available to fit their budgets and not taxing the power and heat limits of the console chassis's. We are not seeing the same performance ratio like we seen the the 360/PS3 this time around. The X1 and PS4 are sporting low tdp based cpu's with entry to mid tier gaming gpu's from last year.

AMD put in a better bid then Nvidia did thats it AMD offered a cpu along with a gpu ie APU where Nvidia can only offer a gpu.... MS and Sony didnt want to spend millions more trying to a way to splice an IBM cpu with a Nvidia gpu or AMD cpu with Nvidia gpu when you can go to one place and get both in a single package. Nvidia isnt butthurt as some may think they can care less. AMD isnt going to get the money from X1/PS4 all at once but over a period of time. AMD financially isnt as secure as Nvidia because AMD also has to fight intel on the cpu and gpu front along with Nvidia , their cutting prices to make their cpu's and gpu's more appealing.

He's just mad because both Sony and MS chose ATI.

Butthurt.  

He's just mad because both Sony and MS chose ATI.

Butthurt.  

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He's just mad because both Sony and MS chose ATI.

Butthurt.  

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