Nvidia Strikes Back! GTX 580 comming...Next Week?! [56k] UPDATE Now Available!!

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#101 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"]^^^ 280 gtx>>>5870

How so? (just to let you know i have a GTX 280, so i have a pretty darn good idea of how they perform.)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/19 295 gtx=just refresh of 280 gtx for 5870 release.
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#102 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"]^^^ 280 gtx>>>5870

How so? (just to let you know i have a GTX 280, so i have a pretty darn good idea of how they perform.)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/19 295 gtx=just refresh of 280 gtx for 5870 release.

A gtx 295 is a dual gpu card not a rehash of the gtx 280, the closest thing to the gtx 280 on that benchmark is a gtx 285.....
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#103 Ikuto_Tsukiyomi
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] How so? (just to let you know i have a GTX 280, so i have a pretty darn good idea of how they perform.)ferret-gamer
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/19 295 gtx=just refresh of 280 gtx for 5870 release.

A gtx 295 is a dual gpu card not a rehash of the gtx 280, the closest thing to the gtx 280 on that benchmark is a gtx 285.....

I really wouldnt bother trying to reason with him Ferret, Hes about as blind as they get.

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#104 NVIDIATI
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/19 295 gtx=just refresh of 280 gtx for 5870 release.Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

A gtx 295 is a dual gpu card not a rehash of the gtx 280, the closest thing to the gtx 280 on that benchmark is a gtx 285.....

I really wouldnt bother trying to reason with him Ferret, Hes about as blind as they get.

I'll second that.
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#105 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] How so? (just to let you know i have a GTX 280, so i have a pretty darn good idea of how they perform.)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/19 295 gtx=just refresh of 280 gtx for 5870 release.

A gtx 295 is a dual gpu card not a rehash of the gtx 280, the closest thing to the gtx 280 on that benchmark is a gtx 285.....

i havent been keeping track honestly, i knew 295 gtx was dual gpu but i wasnt too sure.
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#107 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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from what i seen though 285 gtx still owns 5870 lol.dukenukemfoeva
not even close.
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#108 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"]from what i seen though 285 gtx still owns 5870 lol.ferret-gamer
not even close.

damn truth is i really havent been keeping up, since no point in even buying a new card really no games :( lol. im still good with my 8800 GT 512 mb. still seems like ati's been sucking lately.
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#109 pimpog
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amd is the king the 6000 series has good performance and price plus scales great in crossfire mode. Amd still has the fastest card on the market and the 6900 cards are rumored to be 30% than the cards they replace and use less power. The gtx 580 is just a waste.
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#110 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"]from what i seen though 285 gtx still owns 5870 lol.dukenukemfoeva
not even close.

damn truth is i really havent been keeping up, since no point in even buying a new card really no games :( lol. im still good with my 8800 GT 512 mb. still seems like ati's been sucking lately.

ATi's been on a roll with their 5000 line. The new 6000 cards seem to be more "optimized" versions of their 5xxx counterparts. Barely behind on performance yet performs cooler and with less power.

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#112 jedikevin2
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amd is the king the 6000 series has good performance and price plus scales great in crossfire mode. Amd still has the fastest card on the market and the 6900 cards are rumored to be 30% than the cards they replace and use less power. The gtx 580 is just a waste.pimpog

I wouldn't call AMD the king... Not by a longshot. AMD high end cards are killer but the middle levels go head to head to nvidia. Nvidia to my knowledge still has the fastest single chip vid card, 5970 is a bust as lower mid class crossfires destroys it and were cheaper then a 5970 (5970 weird power contraints). GTX 580 to me personally seems like a waste but to me... things are about 60% AMd to 40% nvidia. Nvidia still is the big hoss on the business side of things between the 2 companies. I definitely like that AMD is kickin it up. Competition brings great prices to consumers. I got my gtx 460 768mb for 149.99 with free shipping and a game. Thats just hard to beat.

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#113 dukenukemfoeva
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one thing keeping me from buying ati card's these day's no gpu accelerated PHYSX. ati card's really do seem to have better image quality from my experience with both brands though.
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#114 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] not even close.NVIDIATI
damn truth is i really havent been keeping up, since no point in even buying a new card really no games :( lol. im still good with my 8800 GT 512 mb. still seems like ati's been sucking lately.

*facepalm*....

direct x 11 games??? where are they? stalker? dx9 game with tacked on features? dirt 2 a console game dx9 tacked on features? alien vs predator 3 console game dx9 tacked on dx11 crysis 2 dx9 tacked on dx11 features?
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direct x 11 games??? where are they? stalker? dx9 game with tacked on features? dirt 2 a console game dx9 tacked on features? alien vs predator 3 console game dx9 tacked on dx11 crysis 2 dx9 tacked on dx11 features? dukenukemfoeva

LOL no one has mentioned dx 11 gaming to my knowledge.. The facepalm is more over your "excuse" to not research about video cards before stating complete fallacies as you did with the gtx 280 and gtx 295. Your losing alot of creditability right now. Now you just throwing out information just to do it. What are you alluding to?

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#116 Ikuto_Tsukiyomi
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"][QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] damn truth is i really havent been keeping up, since no point in even buying a new card really no games :( lol. im still good with my 8800 GT 512 mb. still seems like ati's been sucking lately.dukenukemfoeva
*facepalm*....

direct x 11 games??? where are they? stalker? dx9 game with tacked on features? dirt 2 a console game dx9 tacked on features? alien vs predator 3 console game dx9 tacked on dx11 crysis 2 dx9 tacked on dx11 features?

Right here

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#117 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] direct x 11 games??? where are they? stalker? dx9 game with tacked on features? dirt 2 a console game dx9 tacked on features? alien vs predator 3 console game dx9 tacked on dx11 crysis 2 dx9 tacked on dx11 features? jedikevin2

LOL no one has mentioned dx 11 gaming to my knowledge.. The facepalm is more over your "excuse" to not researching about video cards before stating complete fallacies. Your losing alot of creditability. Now you just throwing out information just to do it. What are you alluding to?

what i do know is 480 gtx pwned ati lol.
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#118 dukenukemfoeva
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nvidia and ati might aswell stop making cards untill they can run games at decent framerates with heavy use of tessellation.
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#119 dukenukemfoeva
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reason i havent been keeping track....why should i care about a card for tacked on dx11 features in direct x 9 games?
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#120 Ikuto_Tsukiyomi
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nvidia and ati might aswell stop making cards untill they can run games at decent framerates with heavy use of tessellation.dukenukemfoeva

It would be a shame if people actually used these cards for OTHER THINGS.

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#121 dukenukemfoeva
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"]nvidia and ati might aswell stop making cards untill they can run games at decent framerates with heavy use of tessellation.Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

It would be a shame if people actually used these cards for OTHER THINGS.

cgi ruined the movie industry, looks faker than stop animation.
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#123 Einhanderkiller
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Seems more of a GTX 485 or 490 than a GTX 580.
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#125 abuabed
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Should I upgrade my 480? :P
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#126 Mystic-G
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Should I upgrade my 480? :Pabuabed
As long as I can buy your 480 for $50. :P
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#127 Iantheone
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Seems more of a GTX 485 or 490 than a GTX 580.Einhanderkiller
Meh, Its numbering. Who really cares so long as its a worth while card?
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#128 mirgamer
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What's the point of it? AMD released mid range cards and Nvidia releases a card more powerful than the 480? I don't get it.

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There are quite a number of people who settles for nothing less than top of the line hardware. Nvidia wants to snatch the enthusiast market, obviously.
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#129 jhcho2
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] direct x 11 games??? where are they? stalker? dx9 game with tacked on features? dirt 2 a console game dx9 tacked on features? alien vs predator 3 console game dx9 tacked on dx11 crysis 2 dx9 tacked on dx11 features? dukenukemfoeva

LOL no one has mentioned dx 11 gaming to my knowledge.. The facepalm is more over your "excuse" to not researching about video cards before stating complete fallacies. Your losing alot of creditability. Now you just throwing out information just to do it. What are you alluding to?

what i do know is 480 gtx pwned ati lol.

Hold your horses there dude, the GTX 480 is indeed, albeit questionably the best single gpu card in the market right now. But.....

Does is PAWN ATI? No. It's better but not by much compared to the HD5870. The HD5970 (dual gpu) came out about 6 months before the GTX480, and is still more powerful than the 480. It's not fair to say Nvidia pawned ATI when the best card in the market still belongs to ATI. And even then, the 480 doesn't exactly beat the 5870 in every game, only some. But the 480 is also more expensive, hotter, louder and more power hungry.

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#130 Malta_1980
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though Nvidia produces great cards I still find them over-priced.. for the time being am more than happy with my 5870... I dont plan any upgrades atm, probably will round summer 2011..

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#131 anshul89
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Not gonna upgrade for a while but competition is always good.

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#132 pimpog
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What is the point of this card it is not the fastest the 5970 is or better yet asus ares is. This just a lame attempt by nvidia to steal the thunder of the new amd 6900 cards. Just like how nvidia got scared when the amd 6800 cards were about to be released and dropped the price on the 460/470 cards. Now the gtx 480 is going to be up against the 6900 cards does that drop in price next ?? How is nvidia going to make any money if every time amd comes out with a new card nvidia just slashes prices.
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#133 hd5870corei7
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those specs are disappointing...

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#134 RageQuit4Life
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I expected 580 able to max Metro 2033 without SLI or anything, just single card.

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#135 GTSaiyanjin2
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From the looks of things the GTX 580 is just an updated 480 should end up 20% faster and have a lower TDP.

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#136 RageQuit4Life
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

LOL no one has mentioned dx 11 gaming to my knowledge.. The facepalm is more over your "excuse" to not researching about video cards before stating complete fallacies. Your losing alot of creditability. Now you just throwing out information just to do it. What are you alluding to?

jhcho2

what i do know is 480 gtx pwned ati lol.

Hold your horses there dude, the GTX 480 is indeed, albeit questionably the best single gpu card in the market right now. But.....

Does is PAWN ATI? No. It's better but not by much compared to the HD5870. The HD5970 (dual gpu) came out about 6 months before the GTX480, and is still more powerful than the 480. It's not fair to say Nvidia pawned ATI when the best card in the market still belongs to ATI. And even then, the 480 doesn't exactly beat the 5870 in every game, only some. But the 480 is also more expensive, hotter, louder and more power hungry.

I actually found this really funny, because 5870 is a crap card when its up to GTX 480. GTX 480 always beat 5870 ALMOST all game include many DX11 benchmarks. For example GTX 480 beat 5870 easily with Uni Heaven 2.0 because ATi don't know how to make cards to handle the DX11 games, but they barely did. Seemly ATi finally learn new ability like pokemon, to create the DX11 cards in right way with latest cards (6000s series).

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#137 blues35301
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And it will cost $599. :lol:

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Hopefully they drop the 480 down to 399 and this one comes out at 499. All I know is when Crysis 2 releases I'm going to be upgrading to whatever single GPU is the strongest on earth regardless of cost. I want this game absolutely maxed.. And it probably still wont max it :lol:
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#138 pimpog
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[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] what i do know is 480 gtx pwned ati lol.RageQuit4Life

Hold your horses there dude, the GTX 480 is indeed, albeit questionably the best single gpu card in the market right now. But.....

Does is PAWN ATI? No. It's better but not by much compared to the HD5870. The HD5970 (dual gpu) came out about 6 months before the GTX480, and is still more powerful than the 480. It's not fair to say Nvidia pawned ATI when the best card in the market still belongs to ATI. And even then, the 480 doesn't exactly beat the 5870 in every game, only some. But the 480 is also more expensive, hotter, louder and more power hungry.

I actually found this really funny, because 5870 is a crap card when its up to GTX 480. GTX 480 always beat 5870 ALMOST all game include many DX11 benchmarks. For example GTX 480 beat 5870 easily with Uni Heaven 2.0 because ATi don't know how to make cards to handle the DX11 games, but they barely did. Seemly ATi finally learn new ability like pokemon, to create the DX11 cards in right way with latest cards (6000s series).

How is the 5870 a crap card is only a little slower than the gtx 480 and even faster in some games ?? The only place the 480 pulls away is in tessellation cause ati had the feature from dx9 but no game used it. Now with dx 11 the feature is finally being used so amd upgraded it to the 2nd gen on the 6000 series. When the 5000 series came out dx11 was not even out and no games used tessellation at all. Nvidia pushed this feature hard cause that was the only place that ati was weak. Now that problem has been addressed on the 6000 series and nvidia is slashing prices on the 460/70 cards. When the 6900 series drop in a couple weeks nvidia will be slashing prices on the 480/580 cards as well. Nvidia is 6 months behind amd and is getting beat out the gate yet again. So to take the edge off they put out this 580 but really it is just a old part repacked with a new name. Yeah it going to be faster but you would have to be a fool to get this card when the amd 6900 cards will be here soon. Sorry nvidia fans go amd or wait 6 months till nvidia gets on the ball.
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#139 nameless12345
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Looks like the card is getting a "killer-app" - Crysis 2 with special optimizations for this card.

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#140 chaplainDMK
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eh i'll just get a 460 ... seriously... call me when you can buy a large hadron collider for this thing to be usefull :)
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#141 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="RageQuit4Life"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Hold your horses there dude, the GTX 480 is indeed, albeit questionably the best single gpu card in the market right now. But.....

Does is PAWN ATI? No. It's better but not by much compared to the HD5870. The HD5970 (dual gpu) came out about 6 months before the GTX480, and is still more powerful than the 480. It's not fair to say Nvidia pawned ATI when the best card in the market still belongs to ATI. And even then, the 480 doesn't exactly beat the 5870 in every game, only some. But the 480 is also more expensive, hotter, louder and more power hungry.

pimpog

I actually found this really funny, because 5870 is a crap card when its up to GTX 480. GTX 480 always beat 5870 ALMOST all game include many DX11 benchmarks. For example GTX 480 beat 5870 easily with Uni Heaven 2.0 because ATi don't know how to make cards to handle the DX11 games, but they barely did. Seemly ATi finally learn new ability like pokemon, to create the DX11 cards in right way with latest cards (6000s series).

How is the 5870 a crap card is only a little slower than the gtx 480 and even faster in some games ?? The only place the 480 pulls away is in tessellation cause ati had the feature from dx9 but no game used it. Now with dx 11 the feature is finally being used so amd upgraded it to the 2nd gen on the 6000 series. When the 5000 series came out dx11 was not even out and no games used tessellation at all. Nvidia pushed this feature hard cause that was the only place that ati was weak. Now that problem has been addressed on the 6000 series and nvidia is slashing prices on the 460/70 cards. When the 6900 series drop in a couple weeks nvidia will be slashing prices on the 480/580 cards as well. Nvidia is 6 months behind amd and is getting beat out the gate yet again. So to take the edge off they put out this 580 but really it is just a old part repacked with a new name. Yeah it going to be faster but you would have to be a fool to get this card when the amd 6900 cards will be here soon. Sorry nvidia fans go amd or wait 6 months till nvidia gets on the ball.

I do remember the 5870 beating the 480 in some game when they 1st release, but better drivers have come out for it now. The 5870 does beat it on price though you can get one for about $360 and the GTX 480 go for $470. When I got mine the 480 was only $50 more so at the time I did see it as the better buy. Both are great cards though cant go wrong with either imo.

just look at this review, just look at the regular GTX 480 and not the one being reviewed.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-480-lightning-review/14

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#142 hd5870corei7
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"] nope nvidia is leader in highend single gpu cards....ati gave up.dukenukemfoeva

Your wording makes it sounds that AMD has no high-end single GPU cards.

their highend single gpu cards arent faster than nvidia and released after nvidia. that's proof they arent competing in highend anymore

HD 5870 takes a dump on the crappy 480... 100 dollars more for a measly 10-15% performance increase, but 30+% wattage increase, a lot higher temps etc....
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#143 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Overkill.. I can still play anything and everything on high or maxed at 1680 x 1050 resolution with my Radeon 4850 video card. A card that I spent $110 on.

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#144 CBR600-RR
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Consoles are behind? Why does that matter? I still enjoy playing on my PS3. The only games I play on PC are League of Legends and Stalker.

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#145 Disturbed123
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tri SLI 460 GTX>580 GTX

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#146 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="dukenukemfoeva"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Your wording makes it sounds that AMD has no high-end single GPU cards.

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their highend single gpu cards arent faster than nvidia and released after nvidia. that's proof they arent competing in highend anymore

HD 5870 takes a dump on the crappy 480... 100 dollars more for a measly 10-15% performance increase, but 30+% wattage increase, a lot higher temps etc....

Why would more wattage and higher temps be a bad thing? Maybe if you're worried about your electricity bill. Otherwise, I really don't see that as much of a downside.

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#147 ChubbyGuy40
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tri SLI 460 GTX>580 GTX

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You can't tri SLI a 460 can you? Pretty sure it only has an adapter for one bridge and not 2.

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#148 DragonfireXZ95
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tri SLI 460 GTX>580 GTX

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It's also more expensive. Is that supposed to be news?
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#149 AdolescentDon
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I don't see any PC games coming out that are going to require a GPU this powerfull.... So, whats the point?

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#150 lawlessx
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I don't see any PC games coming out that are going to require a GPU this powerfull.... So, whats the point?

AdolescentDon

true..but you will be set for another 3-4 years GPU wise :P