NVIDIA's Kepler GTX 680 blows away the Radeon 7970 (Benchmarks inside)

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Meh. May be interesting when there are games which utilise that power to it's full potential.seanmcloughlin

Im guessing next gen might use it a bit better. Kinda pointless for games so far. We haven't had anything that's really "unplayable" in a while. Everyone thought BF3 would cripple systems but it ran very well

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tjricardo089

PC can haz games?

jk

It's cool, we need something else to talk about once in a while.

Too much system war hurf blurf.

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

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ZombieKiller7

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

Probably only those with great graphics or those awesome HD mods.

how much better is this card than a 6870 CF?metal_zombie

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Meh. May be interesting when there are games which utilise that power to it's full potential.ferret-gamer

Im guessing next gen might use it a bit better. Kinda pointless for games so far. We haven't had anything that's really "unplayable" in a while. Everyone thought BF3 would cripple systems but it ran very well

Which is a crying shame.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

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ZombieKiller7

PC can haz games?

jk

It's cool, we need something else to talk about once in a while.

Too much system war hurf blurf.

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

And yet with a statement like that albeit joke and all you are trying to turn this into one of those threads. Leave the trolling out of this and focus on the topic

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tjricardo089

Yes, I know where the forum is :).

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tjricardo089

Which would be the incorrect forum for this thread.

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I'll wait for final benchmarks, but i'm interested to see how Kepler performs.

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ZombieKiller7

PC can haz games?

jk

It's cool, we need something else to talk about once in a while.

Too much system war hurf blurf.

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

Nope, they're newly released.

There aren't many PC games that even take advantage of the full power of GTX 580 let alone the GTX 680.

There's really no reason to upgrade if you already have a high-end card.

Those framerates look generally lower than I expected from cards like those. I know it's 1920x1080 with 8xAA but still.

Those framerates look generally lower than I expected from cards like those. I know it's 1920x1080 with 8xAA but still.

-Unreal-

Depends on the type of AA. MSAA eats up lots of resources, but yeah there's something wrong with the framerates. MW3 should be well over 120fps.

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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

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seanmcloughlin

PC can haz games?

jk

It's cool, we need something else to talk about once in a while.

Too much system war hurf blurf.

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

And yet with a statement like that albeit joke and all you are trying to turn this into one of those threads. Leave the trolling out of this and focus on the topic

Damn you people are touchy.

Ok another question.

Say you have a card, runs 60 fps on ultra settings @ 1920x1080 w/DX11

Is it a reasonable expectation to ALL games running @ 1920x1080 w/DX11 should run at least "pretty good"?

Or has there ever been a situation where a card runs X resolution @ 60 frames and X resolution @ 10-15 fps? Two different games, same card, same rez, using same DX version.

In other words, how long can one of the newer cards remain "fresh" these days?

Can you use it for 5+ years assuming the rez and dx version are the same?

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]how much better is this card than a 6870 CF?XVision84

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

In other words, how long can one of the newer cards remain "fresh" these days?

Can you use it for 5+ years assuming the rez and dx version are the same?

ZombieKiller7

The same could be asked of consoles struggling to run 30fps. Technology advances, as does the software with it.

Okay? I wont even get a GPU above $300, let alone these two beasts.dracolich55

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[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]how much better is this card than a 6870 CF?mitu123

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

In other words, how long can one of the newer cards remain "fresh" these days?

Can you use it for 5+ years assuming the rez and dx version are the same?

lundy86_4

The same could be asked of consoles struggling to run 30fps. Technology advances, as does the software with it.

On console they always had low framerates even when they just came out.

lol

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]how much better is this card than a 6870 CF?mitu123

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

True, but a 6870 is enough to run many games at high enough settings.

It's not like there is an urgent need to upgrade, but with the next generation coming some people might want to step it up a notch.

On console they always had low framerates even when they just came out.

lol

ZombieKiller7

That seems to constantly get lower. You didn't address my point, though. Technology advances, as does software. That's it, that's all.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

PC can haz games?

jk

It's cool, we need something else to talk about once in a while.

Too much system war hurf blurf.

Are there any games on PC that take advantage of the newest cards?

ZombieKiller7

And yet with a statement like that albeit joke and all you are trying to turn this into one of those threads. Leave the trolling out of this and focus on the topic

Damn you people are touchy.

Ok another question.

Say you have a card, runs 60 fps on ultra settings @ 1920x1080 w/DX11

Is it a reasonable expectation to ALL games running @ 1920x1080 w/DX11 should run at least "pretty good"?

Or has there ever been a situation where a card runs X resolution @ 60 frames and X resolution @ 10-15 fps? Two different games, same card, same rez, using same DX version.

In other words, how long can one of the newer cards remain "fresh" these days?

Can you use it for 5+ years assuming the rez and dx version are the same?

Yeah, getting a high-end new card should last you a long time.

Performance entirely depends on the game though.

You can have a card that runs MW3 at 1080p 60fps perfectly fine, but has frame rateproblems with Crysis or Battlefield when playing 1080p HD.

You wouldn't buy a GTX 680 to play modern games in 1080p HD, a GTX 460 or 6870 is enough for that.

People tend to buy these cards to game on very high resoltions like 1600p.

XV talking about PC hardware ? what is happening to this world ? First Mass Effect 2 GOTG and now this ? TheGuardian03

:o The end is nigh!

Seriously though, I've always had an interest in PC hardware and made a few threads about it in the past.

[spoiler] Mass Effect 2 rocks [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

metal_zombie

Try ebay or amazon to sell it.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

Much much much better.

You have no reason to upgrade if you have a 6870 though, that'll suit you for some time to come.

XVision84

True, but a 6870 is enough to run many games at high enough settings.

It's not like there is an urgent need to upgrade, but with the next generation coming some people might want to step it up a notch.

Did you two miss the crossfire part of his post?

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

On console they always had low framerates even when they just came out.

lol

lundy86_4

That seems to constantly get lower. You didn't address my point, though. Technology advances, as does software. That's it, that's all.

Didn't notice a point.

Going from 31fps to 29fps over the course of....6-7 years is perfectly fine I think.

If a console wasn't acceptable to you in 2006 it won't be acceptable to you in 2012.

If it was, then you're still using the same hardware and getting the same results.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]XV talking about PC hardware ? what is happening to this world ? First Mass Effect 2 GOTG and now this ? TheGuardian03

:o The end is nigh!

Seriously though, I've always had an interest in PC hardware and made a few threads about it in the past.

*spoiler*

[spoiler] Shenmue sucks :x [/spoiler]

How is Crossfire bad? Not many games you played scale with it or support it? I don't run into that problem hardly with SLI.

Try ebay or amazon to sell it.

mitu123

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

On console they always had low framerates even when they just came out.

lol

ZombieKiller7

That seems to constantly get lower. You didn't address my point, though. Technology advances, as does software. That's it, that's all.

Didn't notice a point.

Going from 31fps to 29fps over the course of....6-7 years is perfectly fine I think.

If a console wasn't acceptable to you in 2006 it won't be acceptable to you in 2012.

If it was, then you're still using the same hardware and getting the same results.

Well technically the results are vastly different since software advances and makes use of the hardware out there in the market.

NVIDIA and AMD constantly release patches that may boost card performance for specific games.

[QUOTE="mitu123"] How is Crossfire bad? Not many games you played scale with it or support it? I don't run into that problem hardly with SLI.

Try ebay or amazon to sell it.

metal_zombie

50-60fps shouldn't seem jittery at all, it should be silky smooth. You sure it's not a monitor refresh rate problem or something? Doesn't make sense to me :P

And this is why I game on consolesdeadruler08

What's wrong with hardware advancing? It's not like you need to upgrade, 5 year old PC video vards can play modern games just fine.

[QUOTE="mitu123"] How is Crossfire bad? Not many games you played scale with it or support it? I don't run into that problem hardly with SLI.

Try ebay or amazon to sell it.

metal_zombie

Didn't notice a point.

Going from 31fps to 29fps over the course of....6-7 years is perfectly fine I think.

If a console wasn't acceptable to you in 2006 it won't be acceptable to you in 2012.

If it was, then you're still using the same hardware and getting the same results.

ZombieKiller7

ME3 -- as a recent example -- dipped to 16fps. A far cry from 29... Wouldn't you say?

Technology advances, whilst consoles remain stationary. I am getting more results, but at a cost. Similar to PC hardware.

[QUOTE="deadruler08"]And this is why I game on consolesXVision84

What's wrong with hardware advancing? It's not like you need to upgrade, 5 year old PC video vards can play modern games just fine.

Human greed for more.

It's like when you get an iPad, and next year they release a new one, suddenly your precious iPad just isn't good enough.

It didn't change. It didn't downgrade. Still works fine.

But human greed wants more.

Same with PC hardware, constantly wanting, hungry for more, smoother framerates, better graphics in games, turn up sliders more, want want want.

Hard time enjoying a game because I'm thinking "if only I had quad core instead of dual core Athlon"

Whereas on my console I'll take schit graphics and like it, because I know I can't open it up and pop in better gear.

End up more content.

Please don't turn these comments into PC vs consoles, it's not meant in that way.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] Never knew that actually.

*spoiler*

TheGuardian03

But your thread in PUSH states otherwise.

ME3 -- as a recent example -- dipped to 16fps. A far cry from 29... Wouldn't you say?

Technology advances, whilst consoles remain stationary. I am getting more results, but at a cost. Similar to PC hardware.

lundy86_4

No that's called "bad code."

When you have a static platform for the better part of a decade, and you're coding for it, and it's dipping to 16 fps

That means whoever made the code f*cked up.

Need to find better subcontractors in New Delhi.

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] How is Crossfire bad? Not many games you played scale with it or support it? I don't run into that problem hardly with SLI.

Try ebay or amazon to sell it.

mitu123

No that's called "bad code."

When you have a static platform for the better part of a decade, and you're coding for it, and it's dipping to 16 fps

That means whoever made the code f*cked up.

Need to find better subcontractors in New Delhi.

ZombieKiller7

No, it's not. They attempt to advance under constraints of old hardware. I don't think "bad code" is a unanimous term, so don't use it as such.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="deadruler08"]And this is why I game on consolesZombieKiller7

What's wrong with hardware advancing? It's not like you need to upgrade, 5 year old PC video vards can play modern games just fine.

Human greed for more.

It's like when you get an iPad, and next year they release a new one, suddenly your precious iPad just isn't good enough.

It didn't change. It didn't downgrade. Still works fine.

But human greed wants more.

Same with PC hardware, constantly wanting, hungry for more, smoother framerates, better graphics in games, turn up sliders more, want want want.

Hard time enjoying a game because I'm thinking "if only I had quad core instead of dual core Athlon"

Whereas on my console I'll take schit graphics and like it, because I know I can't open it up and pop in better gear.

End up more content.

Please don't turn these comments into PC vs consoles, it's not meant in that way.

That's different. When a new Apple product comes out, they tend to take big advances from one to the next, and they often have features that are only supported by "the next iPad". This means that by not upgrading you're missing out on a lot.

PC hardware is different, you're still getting great graphics and you have no need to upgrade. You can upgrade if you choose to, but slighlty older cards have no problem playing PC games in 1080p HD. Human greed is one thing, but associating it with PC hardware is another. It's not like you're missing out on anything by not buying a GTX 680.

Everyone wants better graphics and performance, but there's no reason why you should feel bad because your card runs a game just fine at a resolution that's above anything else in the market. I'm not turning anything into PC vs Consoles, this is my thread afterall :P just saying that limiting yourself in terms of power is not the way to go.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

On console they always had low framerates even when they just came out.

lol

ZombieKiller7

That seems to constantly get lower. You didn't address my point, though. Technology advances, as does software. That's it, that's all.

Didn't notice a point.

Going from 31fps to 29fps over the course of....6-7 years is perfectly fine I think.

If a console wasn't acceptable to you in 2006 it won't be acceptable to you in 2012.

If it was, then you're still using the same hardware and getting the same results.

Lot's of things change though. lot's of stuff under the hood that you don't get to see. Different AA methods used, different resolutions for different games. Some games are sub-HD and still have horrible framrates on consoles. Also frame dips are far worse on consoles too.

Sure going from 31-29 is nothing. but going from 30 to 19 in some games like Crysis 2 on PS3 or RDR on PS3 is horrible and very noticeable.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"] I was playing crysis 2 i would get 50-60 fps but it seem jittery. I think I'm stuck with them probably wont get enough to get something better

metal_zombie

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

ME3 -- as a recent example -- dipped to 16fps. A far cry from 29... Wouldn't you say?

Technology advances, whilst consoles remain stationary. I am getting more results, but at a cost. Similar to PC hardware.

ZombieKiller7

No that's called "bad code."

When you have a static platform for the better part of a decade, and you're coding for it, and it's dipping to 16 fps

That means whoever made the code f*cked up.

Need to find better subcontractors in New Delhi.

It's not bad code.

The hardware is getting old and they're trying to push it as much as they can.

Take Shadow of the Colossus for example, it pushed the PS2 to its absolutely limits and ran 15-20 fps. By no means was it bad code, they optimized it very well, it was even deemed veryadvanced for its time. The hardware was just getting old, and trying to pass off a game as big as SOTC on static hardware will result in cutbacks being made (and in this case, those cutbacks were performance-based).

You want to be ambiguous and create a fantastic game that's one step above all others, but by doing that you're faced with all these constraints. Like lundy said, software advances in this way due to competition and improvement from sequel to sequel, but hardware cannot change when it comes to consoles.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="deadruler08"]And this is why I game on consolesZombieKiller7

What's wrong with hardware advancing? It's not like you need to upgrade, 5 year old PC video vards can play modern games just fine.

Human greed for more.

It's like when you get an iPad, and next year they release a new one, suddenly your precious iPad just isn't good enough.

It didn't change. It didn't downgrade. Still works fine.

But human greed wants more.

Same with PC hardware, constantly wanting, hungry for more, smoother framerates, better graphics in games, turn up sliders more, want want want.

Hard time enjoying a game because I'm thinking "if only I had quad core instead of dual core Athlon"

Whereas on my console I'll take schit graphics and like it, because I know I can't open it up and pop in better gear.

End up more content.

Please don't turn these comments into PC vs consoles, it's not meant in that way.

Please. If humans weren't always constantly striving for more we would get nowhere. If they didn't keep pushing all the time we wouldn't have half the technology around today.

And your precious console games would be nowhere without the PC hardware being developed first and then implemented to the consoles. The design of a console is just a stripped down PC when you think of it.

You like a console more because you can't upgrade it? that's a little odd but fine. Others like PC because they CAN open it up and upgrade it. It's only a bad thing when you treat it as such but most PC gamers are happy to upgrade when they do. they wouldn't if they didn't want to. nothing forces them to do it. But you guys always make it seem like "You have to upgrade every year" which is BS and as a PC owner yourself you should know better.