NX game graphics: ‘somewhere between a PS3 and PS4’

Wii U's CPU was unable run XBO/PS4's CPU logics without large refactoring. It's easier to reduce graphics details than changing gameplay logics/AI and simulation models.

With sufficient CPU power, Geforce 920MX (similar to TX1's IGP) can run XBO class game at reduce graphics details, but the core gameplay logics/AI experience are the same.

TX2 has to beat Microsoft Surface Pro 4's IGP before it rivals XBO and PS4.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3006268/tablets/tested-why-the-ipad-pro-really-isnt-as-fast-a-laptop.html

Google's Pixel C tablet has NVIDIA's TX1

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Pixel-C-Tablet-Review.158868.0.html

The price for Pixel C is $499 USD for 32 GB model https://store.google.com/product/pixel_c

Pixel C has 14 watts.

I don't get this NX with TX2 will beat XBO view point when Pixel C has 14 watts bloat and NX has handheld device design consideration.

a handheld with that much power sounds pretty good to me

imagine playing monster hunter on this

No interest in handhelds. Weak ass console doesn't interest me either, already have an Xboner.

@ShepardCommandr: Do you game on the go, because if you dont then its just another under powered console.

Must be tiring being a Nintendo fanatic.

One minute, Nintendo are releasing powerful consoles, so graphics matter and Star Fox, Mario Kart, Demons Crest, Mario World 2 and Super Castlevania 4 are showing off elements way ahead of the competition. You get to boast that the consoles you support just do more visually.

Then power matters, your console is a 64bit beast and the 32 bit minnows in competition just cant compare. And you ride this out to Gamecube. Clearly advantaged over the PS2 and you're not afraid to tell everyone just that!

Now ever since the wii, you've flip flopped around like a fish out of water depending on what the latest rumour is. Graphics and power dont matter! Wait.... Nintendo rumours suggest wii u will be more than enough? Yeah graphics matter I cant wait to see Nintendo once again blown the competition away! Then reality sinks in, and were back to graphics dont matter. Even though they certainly did before!

Nowhere has this been more evidenced with the NX. We still dont know what it is yet but the fanatics mood and opinion changes on the rumour with an instant. What? Its going to compete with sony? Graphics matter I cant wait to see Nintendo release a beast that will show sony and microsoft who is boss! What? Its not going to even reach the last sony console? Graphics dont matter! Only the games do! Give me the same three franchises you have been for the last fifteen years already!

Pathetic. And like I say, must be tiring. Good for Nintendo though, means they get to save lots of money cheapening out.

@DocSanchez: It's better than being a Cow. Cows could only hype power since the PS4 reveal. Now all of a sudden we need to pretend that games matter again. We've seen almost 3 years of Digital Foundry videos and resolution talk. Now all of that is irrelevant.

Cows and Lems playing power and graphics again.

Pokemon has less power than Uncharted and Halo and is far more in demand.

I personally play gameplay not power so I don't care about how powerful the nx will be.

So the fact that you can play all the hand helds and consoles up to the wii on it right now for free means nothing derp. Seriously the only content you can't play currently is the wii u but if you have a pc that problem is fixed.

Then you still have steam and the game store for even more games. You have all the apps from andriod also. You have a open market for 3rd party controllers ect and 64Gb cards are 20 bucks. I would bet money anything with a nintendo sticker won't give you the freedom the shield has and cost more. Kids just because it's not made by nintendo does not make it bad.

Saw talk about the tegra x2 but no links, so sheep produce the info or stop with the wild speculation here.

Great. Now what does that mean for that company commercially? How many millions of units have they shipped/sold?

I am a end user period you can worry about the company they don't pay me.

i know graphics aren't everything,but come on nintendo get with the standards,is not like everyone wants what you think is right for gaming.

Okay great. So we'll just end this non-argument and be on our way then.

Usually in a thread discussing hardware strength as it relates to a company's potential financial success, it's best to actually discuss both halves of that. What is hardware power and the ability to play pirated software mean for those companies when they can't sell the hardware to a broad audience?

I repeat:

All this talk of graphics and not one of you people can see a slight benefit to the system being "underpowered" in your eyes. Less development time and bugs in games. Not to mention unification of the mobile and home console divisions means more games for us to enjoy in less time. You guys need to stop crying about it being weak and actually worry about the caliber and frequency of the games we will be getting. Shove your TFLOPS up your butt. Get a nice PC if that is all your shallow butt cares about. I hear that $1200.00 Titan X is baller and has all the frames yo!

If true, Nintendo hasn't learned anything and 3rd party support will suffer. IF true.

@Phreek300 said:

I repeat:

All this talk of graphics and not one of you people can see a slight benefit to the system being "underpowered" in your eyes. Less development time and bugs in games. Not to mention unification of the mobile and home console divisions means more games for us to enjoy in less time. You guys need to stop crying about it being weak and actually worry about the caliber and frequency of the games we will be getting. Shove your TFLOPS up your butt. Get a nice PC if that is all your shallow butt cares about. I hear that $1200.00 Titan X is baller and has all the frames yo!

But see, that's the thing. People spend $4000 on a top-end gaming rig, then play DOTA 2 on it (I know someone who did this, and I laughed internally).

Console gaming is the last major bastion of the Warring Bytes Era. It's leftovers from the SNES/Genesis and N64/PS wars that were actually genuine competition between manufacturers to bring the best of the best to the table. Now it literally just "what makes most business sense" to provide the foam-at-the-mouth basement dwellers something to sling back and forth at one another on internet forums.

Like hell, I played the new Doom game on my three year old laptop, at bare minimum settings, 50% resolution scaling at 640x480 resolution. It ran at 30-50 fps, but it looked like absolute garbage. And yet, because of the design of the game, I still found it to be one of the most fun, rewarding experiences I've had in several years.

Is this a trustworthy source? I've been oblivious of most info regarding the NX as of late and this sounds a bit disappointing to me. Also how will the vast majority of people deal with this? i don't want to see wiiu performance level in any aspect again.

@foxhound_fox: Like hell, I played the new Doom game on my three year old laptop, at bare minimum settings, 50% resolution scaling at 640x480 resolution. It ran at 30-50 fps, but it looked like absolute garbage. And yet, because of the design of the game, I still found it to be one of the most fun, rewarding experiences I've had in several years.

Exactly, it was rewarding and fun because it had great gameplay and was generally fun to play. People on this forum in large just look at the specs of a device and go "it's sh1t!" I will not lie to your face and say that graphics don't help give immersion, but they do not define the entire experience of the game. But that is how some people on this board act and view things. Some of my best experiences in games go back to the Atari, NES and Gameboy. It doesn't have to be an amazing powerhouse to be a fun system that creates fun games.

@speak_low: Just keep your expectations in check and assume Wii U 2.0 level performance at best.

The rumors are all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beDhMBkpL6g

@Phreek300 said:

I repeat:

All this talk of graphics and not one of you people can see a slight benefit to the system being "underpowered" in your eyes. Less development time and bugs in games. Not to mention unification of the mobile and home console divisions means more games for us to enjoy in less time. You guys need to stop crying about it being weak and actually worry about the caliber and frequency of the games we will be getting. Shove your TFLOPS up your butt. Get a nice PC if that is all your shallow butt cares about. I hear that $1200.00 Titan X is baller and has all the frames yo!

Ironic you pull frame rate in as an example, as a terrible one can significantly mar great gameplay otherwise. Play TLoU and then TLoU remastered, or Galak-Z on PS4 and then on PC to see this.

Of course there's benefits to lesser power, just like there's benefits to buying a 4 cylinder car for economical merit. But I don't care for economics in gaming just as car enthusiasts who buy Ferraris don't for the cash they're doling out, because last I checked these are luxuries, and as such, I want luxuries afforded to make it the best possible experience it can be. I don't know why anyone wouldn't desire more power, and to do so isn't somehow synonymous with superseding and/or belittling gameplay. This is nonsense, it's a non sequitur, and it's a strawman. I don't favor more power over gameplay or a game's enjoyment, I just recognize its relevance on them.

Since when does more power necessitate a reduction in gameplay or fun? Would Nintendo games all of a sudden turn into shallow shells of themselves if they added 6x AA, AO, faster loading times, and higher resolutions? No, but this is exactly what is implied in these arguments. You can have both great gameplay and the benefits of power, and on the contrary, it is those who are content with less that are advocating handicapping software's potential. That gameplay takes precedence doesn't all of a sudden default more power to being antithetical to it.

As for frequency of output and bugs: hey, that's the nature of the game and problems I'd lay on business and development prowess, not a fault of hardware predilections. If you're willing to concede greater and more complex software to those business and developmental factors, go for it. Personally, I will worry about the impact lesser power is having on "the caliber of the games we'll be getting", because hardware is intrinsically tied to it. I will play Breath of the Wild and enjoy it, but will at the same time ponder what it could've been if it wasn't running on hardware so many years behind. A better game in mechanical terms given more power? Perhaps not. A more enjoyable game? Hell yes, and I'm not going to apologize for wishing for such.

If gamers don't wish to improve the experience with no cost to the gaming experience itself (as better hardware would provide), then I question them. They are nothing but being complacent with something that could be better.

Interesting, so there may be a dedicated home console after all. Come to think of it, it would be odd to release a handheld you can plug into the TV and nothing else. Doesn't seem right.

I was lucky to find HappyNintendoFan's youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBXFmf4NGwmN0aPRqcdlkQQ/feed

I can only say if your hardware can be emulated it's obviously weak. I will only buy Nintendo hardware that is a leap above what I own or soon will own. This is why most people buy upgrades. This is NOT not an upgrade is a step down IMO. The slim chance is the price point of the NX. However this is Nintendo we are talking about. The wii u cost more than the xbox one fat nuff said.

This hardware pretty much means no 3rd party support. This in turn will mean less sales. Not that I care about sales but more sales usually means more games. Now if they had say console level graphics with 3rd party support and online gaming I would be interested if the price was right.

Like it or not the days of exclusives being system sellers is not that relevant any more. So a system that has a couple of exclusives like the NX is not that big of a deal IMO.

@MirkoS77:

Ironic you pull frame rate in as an example, as a terrible one can significantly mar great gameplay otherwise. Play TLoU and then TLoU remastered, or Galak-Z on PS4 and then on PC to see this.

I think we all know low frame rate is terrible. There is no denying that. Based on the rumors the NX is a hybrid/portable machine. By default that is going to me more economy than pure power so my rational stands on that. My intention was to call people out on calling it weak. Which can or cannot be a valid assertion based on what it actually ends up being. If it is a console that sits under your tv then yes, it is a woefully underpowered piece of kit. If it is a handheld it is not. We have a space where luxury of higher frame rates and better graphic fidelity exists. It's the PC market. Hence why I made the Titan X joke.

I don't know why anyone wouldn't desire more power, and to do so isn't somehow synonymous with superseding and/or belittling gameplay. This is nonsense, it's a non sequitur, and it's a strawman. I don't favor more power over gameplay or a game's enjoyment, I just recognize its relevance on them.

I never said that power belittled gameplay. I was making a point that games can and are still fun without the need of amazing graphics. Are they more immersive with better graphics, yes. My point was that people are expecting too much of a handheld to have the same fidelity as current gen consoles. Theoretically you could do it, but it would have heat and battery issues.

Since when does more power necessitate a reduction in gameplay or fun? Would Nintendo games all of a sudden turn into shallow shells of themselves if they added 6x AA, AO, faster loading times, and higher resolutions? No, but this is exactly what is implied in these arguments.

Based on my wording you have me here. But again, I am looking at the handheld aspect of the machine that is rumored not the console that connects directly to your TV like a PS4. The dock may have another Tegra x1 in it. We don't know what parts make an NX yet. So I cannot comment on what it can produce graphically if that is the case.

As for frequency of output and bugs: hey, that's the nature of the game and problems I'd lay on business and development prowess, not a fault of hardware predilections.

Less complex games require less development time by nature. The talent of a developer factors in, but it's not the whole story.

Personally, I will worry about the impact lesser power is having on "the caliber of the games we'll be getting", because hardware is intrinsically tied to it. I will play Breath of the Wild and enjoy it, but will at the same time ponder what it could've been if it wasn't running on hardware so many years behind. A better game in mechanical terms given more power? Perhaps not. A more enjoyable game? Hell yes, and I'm not going to apologize for wishing for such.

The same argument about wondering what a game could have been on better hardware can be applied to all games. I think that about various exclusive titles. But as you just said regardless of if you know Breath of The Wild is a downgraded experience you will enjoy it. It validates my point that games can be fun without the highest graphic fidelity.

If gamers don't wish to improve the experience with no cost to the gaming experience itself (as better hardware would provide), then I question them. They are nothing but being complacent with something that could be better.

Again, that's why we have a PC market. To showcase what cutting edge hardware is capable of producing to provide a better experience to the player. It does not apply to a portable console. So far the developers are liking the machine. So that is a good sign. It must have enough horsepower to compete or they would not be happy about it.

Are you 14 or just really dense or both?.

GameCube's PowerPC G3/750CXe like CPU has 64 bit SIMD (2X 32bits) data processing with 64 bit SIMD registers, but it's normal GPR (general purpose registers) are only 32bits wide.

The main processing power for GameCube comes from ArtX's GPU (9.4 GFLOPS without including it's fix hardware functions). PS2's CPU FPU+VU0 and VU1 has about 6.2 GFLOPS. ArtX was later assimilated by ATI and their handy work was the class leading Radeon 9700 with Direct3D 9b.

IBM PowerPC G3/750CXe is the superior out-of-order CPU design over PS2's in-orderMIPS R5900 based CPU design.

The problem with Wii U is it tried to be mobile handheld device and it's done a bad job of it.

For desktop form factor, it's compute power bias over mobility within a given budget.

For mobile form factor, it's mobility bias over compute power within a given budget.

Wii U compromised both mobility and compute power i.e. a master of none = mediocre for desktop form factor and mediocre for mobility form factor.

Nintendo needs to focus on a single form factor and do it good.

Wii U's 35 watts is too high for 10-to-12 inch tablet form factor, but it's OK for 13 inch ultra-book, but Wii U is a brick when compared to PC's ultrabooks.

Latest Pachter Factor. It's pretty much all about the NX and its chances.

He's saying If 3rd party devs cannot easily port the Xbox One versions of their games to NX, they won't bother.