Ocarina of Time 3D 8.5 on GS

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I can jump into Veteran in Call of Duty, Legendary in Halo: Reach and Halo 3, set Oblivion to 100 difficulty, Brutal difficulty in Starcraft 2. It's not many, many games that do not have hard mode unlocked at the start but only a few.

Vesica_Prime

One game =/= "Many, many games"

Heres another popular game that does it Ratchet and Clank.

My god you missed my point which was that they did not score down both of those games for having a "hard mode" to be unlocked but this one they do

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]A flop, just like the 3DS. Nintendo sure are doing everything wrong lately.RR360DD

Yet the game still has 94% on Gamerankings and 8.5 is still a "great" score.

So how the hell does this prove that "Nintendo is doing everything wrong." :?

Because most reviewers are blinded with nostalgia. Looks like Gamespot were one of the only ones to actually review and judge the game based on its merits today, and not what it was like 13 years ago.

And yeah, the only scrap of potential enjoyment for the 3DS and it gets an 8.5. Not really good enough when the 3DS is failing to move systems.

Prove it. I'm not going to take your word for it as your word is not evidence.

As for the second bolded quote, you don't speak for everybody and if you don't own a 3DS, you are not qualified to speak about any "potential enjoyment".

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

I liked the review, it's well written.

I'm glad that the motion controls are actually regarded as a benefit and don't come off overly gimmicky. Glad to also see that Chris Watters believes that Ocarina of Time 3D is the definitive (or best) way to play the game.

Though, would've liked to see any mention of the 3D effect iself. Odd that it is missing from the review.

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yet the game still has 94% on Gamerankings and 8.5 is still a "great" score.

So how the hell does this prove that "Nintendo is doing everything wrong." :?

Shinobishyguy

Because most reviewers are blinded with nostalgia. Looks like Gamespot were one of the only ones to actually review and judge the game based on its merits today, and not what it was like 13 years ago.

And yeah, the only scrap of potential enjoyment for the 3DS and it gets an 8.5. Not really good enough when the 3DS is failing to move systems.

You really downplay Zelda? People were wetting themselves with anticipation for this game, and now look. Its just 'great' and thats all. The 3DS needed this to be AAA.

Gamespot has been harsh as hell lately. inFamous 2 is a 7.5 for being 50 times better than the first? Either the first is heavily overrated or the second is underrated. But I digress, its still a great game, if it wasn't on such an inferior system I'd be interested.

RandomWinner

good role until you said that.....

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]Mass Effect.

fueled-system

One game =/= "Many, many games"

Heres another popular game that does it Ratchet and Clank.

My god you missed my point which was that they did not score down both of those games for having a "hard mode" to be unlocked but this one they do

Its a re-make. Most gamers have already had a chance playing the original and some people would rather play Master Quest only.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Because most reviewers are blinded with nostalgia. Looks like Gamespot were one of the only ones to actually review and judge the game based on its merits today, and not what it was like 13 years ago.

And yeah, the only scrap of potential enjoyment for the 3DS and it gets an 8.5. Not really good enough when the 3DS is failing to move systems.

RR360DD

You really downplay Zelda? People were wetting themselves with anticipation for this game, and now look. Its just 'great' and thats all. The 3DS needed this to be AAA.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I have, it does hold up well, but not anything above a 7.0 well. If this were not a Zelda game and it weren't for OoT nostalgia, it would be a 7.0 at best. Reviewers are letting nostalgia affect their score and are reviewing it as a remake not as a game released today, which is how it should be reviewed.

StealthMonkey4

Why don't you prove this?

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

And what is your evidence for this?

If there's a game that doesn't need a review, is this.IronBass

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Because most reviewers are blinded with nostalgia. Looks like Gamespot were one of the only ones to actually review and judge the game based on its merits today, and not what it was like 13 years ago.

And yeah, the only scrap of potential enjoyment for the 3DS and it gets an 8.5. Not really good enough when the 3DS is failing to move systems.

RR360DD

You really downplay Zelda? People were wetting themselves with anticipation for this game, and now look. Its just 'great' and thats all. The 3DS needed this to be AAA.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why don't you prove this?

GreySeal9

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

And what is your evidence for this?

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Can you actually explain what's "too dated" about it or is that just a buzzword?

GreySeal9

In most cases, I don't think that is true. Actually, most current gen games seem to be more simplistic in their level designs for example.

Really, I think their graphics are just built up from OoT and there's a bit of refinement as far as controls are concerned. Otherwise, games these days don't really boast more complex designs.

I really think people overestimate how "built up" current gen games are.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]If there's a game that doesn't need a review, is this.Cheesehead9099

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

StealthMonkey4

And what is your evidence for this?

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

But it is not ugly as hell and does not feel archaic. What feels so archaic about it?

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] you act as though you haven't seen it's holiday lineup :? This remake is just icing on the cakeRavensmash

You really downplay Zelda? People were wetting themselves with anticipation for this game, and now look. Its just 'great' and thats all. The 3DS needed this to be AAA.

Come on man, people expected much more, this is zelda we are talking about, one of the only good things nintendo has going for it.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

StealthMonkey4

And what is your evidence for this?

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

One game =/= "Many, many games"

nitekids2004

Heres another popular game that does it Ratchet and Clank.

My god you missed my point which was that they did not score down both of those games for having a "hard mode" to be unlocked but this one they do

Its a re-make. Most gamers have already had a chance playing the original and some people would rather play Master Quest only.

And why would you buy a game just to play a single mode..

Honestly guys, reviews of this game have zero relevancy. Everybody already knows that Ocarina of Time is an amazing game, and that a remake wasn't gonna change it. The actual score was never gonna be bad. Is anyone seriously gonna base their decision to buy this game off of whether the game gets an 8, a 9, or a 10? I seriously doubt it.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why don't you prove this?

GreySeal9

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

And what is your evidence for this?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]If there's a game that doesn't need a review, is this.Cheesehead9099

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

StealthMonkey4

Evidence needs to be based in something a bit less subjective than "looks" and "feels". Just sayin'.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]Mass Effect.

fueled-system

One game =/= "Many, many games"

Heres another popular game that does it Ratchet and Clank.

My god you missed my point which was that they did not score down both of those games for having a "hard mode" to be unlocked but this one they do

Those are new games with no remakes, with a remake it is safe to assume that a major audience for the game would be people who played the original Ocarina of Time. Some of these people who played the original game would rather jump into the Master Quest rather than slog through the original quest then go onto the Master Quest.

Imagine if Gainax released a remake and remastering of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann but to watch this remake you would have to rewatch the original episodes. For me as a Gurren Lagann fan that is just pointless busy work just to watch the remastered version. Same principle applies.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"] Agreed. Although I wouldn't go as low as 7.0. 8.0 at the highest. Nostalgia makes people think that Zelda is some sort of flawless amazing series when it's really not. Cheesehead9099

In your opinion that is.

Really, it's more intellectually honest to say that you disagree with people thinking the Zelda series is amazing instead of trying to deligitimize other people's opinion with the tired "nostalgia" card.

So, if you concede that it is your opinion, then how is it valid that dismiss other people's opinions as nostalgia simply because it differs with yours?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

And what is your evidence for this?

YoshiYogurt

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

Yeah, 12 years ago... Now it looks blocky, pixelated, and outdated... because, well, it is....

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why don't you prove this?

GreySeal9

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

And what is your evidence for this?

...ok? There's no other way to re-release music, so I was just using your analogy. Don't make an invalid analogy next time :P Cheesehead9099

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

You really downplay Zelda? People were wetting themselves with anticipation for this game, and now look. Its just 'great' and thats all. The 3DS needed this to be AAA.

RR360DD

Come on man, people expected much more, this is zelda we are talking about, one of the only good things nintendo has going for it.

Joystiq's review said the 3d is a "necessity" when playing... Im a little confused about why the game was given an 8.5. The review was glowing and the cons are laughable... I honestly think he believes its an 8.5, but he needs better reasons to back it up.wolverine4262

people expected much more, this is zelda we are talking about, one of the only good things nintendo has going for it. RR360DD

This is a remake dude, not a new zelda :/

Skyward Sword on the other hand looks awesome and shows lots of promise

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

And what is your evidence for this?

NaveedLife

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

But it is not ugly as hell and does not feel archaic. What feels so archaic about it?

It's pretty telling that not one person has really been able to explain in detail what feels archaic about it.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

And what is your evidence for this?

YoshiYogurt

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Called it.

You guys are crazy hyping this thing as AAA.

Flop.

Crossel777

The metascore is hardly my concern. Hyped as AAA, got AA. Flop.

Doesn't mean it's a bad game, but I said from the start, this is a game that has been made available, what, four times now? There is no reason to think that it would hit AAA. And on top of it all Master Quest is locked from the start which is a downer for those looking to play the Master Quest version. That would have been a great selling point if it was unlocked since for some it would have felt like the director's cut of the game that they hadn't played.

Flop is a flop.

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

In your opinion that is.

Really, it's more intellectually honest to say that you disagree with people thinking the Zelda series is amazing instead of trying to deligitimize other people's opinion with the tired "nostalgia" card.

GreySeal9

So, if you concede that it is your opinion, then how is it valid that dismiss other people's opinions as nostalgia simply because it differs with yours?

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"][QUOTE="IronBass"]If there's a game that doesn't need a review, is this.funsohng

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

IronBass

Evidence needs to be based in something a bit less subjective than "looks" and "feels". Just sayin'.

Did you not read my previous post, I said you can't prove it either way though it is really obvious. A game released 12 years ago and touched up a little should not be rated the same as a masterpiece released today.

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

StealthMonkey4

Yeah, 12 years ago... Now it looks blocky, pixelated, and outdated... because, well, it is....

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

Cheesehead9099

And what is your evidence for this?

And what rule states that this must be so?

MM>>OoT just sayin

i like how scores dont matter to people now.....if a game like uncharted 3/BF3/gears gets lower then 9 then GS will be the only score that matters....

just keeping a mental note

Come on man, people expected much more, this is zelda we are talking about, one of the only good things nintendo has going for it.RR360DD

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Called it.

You guys are crazy hyping this thing as AAA.

Flop.

NeonNinja

The metascore is hardly my concern. Hyped as AAA, got AA. Flop.

Doesn't mean it's a bad game, but I said from the start, this is a game that has been made available, what, four times now? There is no reason to think that it would hit AAA. And on top of it all Master Quest is locked from the start which is a downer for those looking to play the Master Quest version. That would have been a great selling point if it was unlocked since for some it would have felt like the director's cut of the game that they hadn't played.

Flop is a flop.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

StealthMonkey4

And what is your evidence for this?

The fact that it's 12 years old, looks ugly as hell, and feels archaic but is still be rated as if it's a masterpiece just released.

Those are your opinions, not evidence.

MM>>OoT just sayin

Lief_Ericson

Oh man. Can you imagine what GS would give an MM (which deserved a 9.5 at minimum IMO) remake? They gave it an 8.3 back in the day. Probably like a 6.0 if they remade it now, right? :P

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]I gave ONE EXAMPLE of a popular popular game

Heres another popular game that does it Ratchet and Clank.

My god you missed my point which was that they did not score down both of those games for having a "hard mode" to be unlocked but this one they do

fueled-system

Its a re-make. Most gamers have already had a chance playing the original and some people would rather play Master Quest only.

And why would you buy a game just to play a single mode..

Game has been released on N64,GC and Wii. Anyone who is even remotely interested in OoT would've plenty chances to have played it by now.

And Zelda is never reallyknown for its replay value. For me, I just finish it once, try to collect all hearts and that's that.

Anyway, GS reviewers labeled it as a Negative, and I agree with them.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's no way you can prove it either way, though it's pretty obvious it is the case.

Cheesehead9099

And what is your evidence for this?

They won't listen, I guess to them, a game with blocky graphics and the gameplay of a 12 year old game is as good today as Half-Life 2 or Metal Gear Solid. :lol::lol::lol:

If this wasn't a retouched Zelda game, reviewers would laugh at it. :lol::lol::lol:

Someone like me will be the real judge of this game. Ive never played the N64 original, so i won't be blinded by any nostalgia or fanboy bs.

Looking at the screens, not impressed so far.