Ocarina of TIme being dethroned?

I hope so. OoT was easily the most overrated game in history.BioShockOwnz

Ocarina of Time was good when it came out. Compared to games released now, it is very poor. It was dethroned long ago.

DustAmulet

What about A link in The Past. I personally find that being the best out of all Zeldas.

ArisShadows

That is the only one I can see as an argument.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]The joke is that you rate TP over OoT. What was good about TP, honestly? To me, it was a massive disappointment and my least favourite Zelda game.super_mario_128

The story was dull and predictable, it really needs a change now. The epic scale of the World? Yep, minus any detail whatsoever. It was just huge fields with nothing to fill it, even OoT did a better job considering it's age. And the dungeons better? Now you're having a laugh. They were linear, and even the temples that copied OoT (Water temple, fire temple; yes, I know they aren't called that) were inferior to the originals. And the bosses? :lol: Don't get me started.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Auroni"]Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games ever made. Not the greatest in my eyes but great.Aljosa23

I have.

The only way to improve on the perfect 2D Zelda.

Make a perfect 3D Zelda.

And it's called Wind Waker.

Wind Waker is so far from perfect.

Tedious sailing, that moronic triforce fetch quest, way to easy, etc.

:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

The horror the Ps2 started(casual gaming) has kept right on going.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]The joke is that you rate TP over OoT. What was good about TP, honestly? To me, it was a massive disappointment and my least favourite Zelda game.Aljosa23

The story was dull and predictable, it really needs a change now. The epic scale of the World? Yep, minus any detail whatsoever. It was just huge fields with nothing to fill it, even OoT did a better job considering it's age. And the dungeons better? Now you're having a laugh. They were linear, and even the temples that copied OoT (Water temple, fire temple; yes, I know they aren't called that) were inferior to the originals. And the bosses? :lol: Don't get me started.

But that defies the whole point of a debate! :evil: Damn you! :P

Ocarina of Time was good when it came out. Compared to games released now, it is very poor. It was dethroned long ago.

DustAmulet

Actually it isnt poor, even by todays standards it is still an extremly good game. Ive just played it again recently, and it is still better than most games made today. Not including graphics of course.

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So you're saying Galaxy doesn't fit that description? Even though it single-handedly revieved the platforming genre.

OoT is a great but doesn't deserve to be the best in the series. WW>>>>LttP>>>MM>>>>TP>>>OOT>>>LoZ>>>>>LoZII

ArisShadows

OoT is by far the best in the series. It is the epitome of what makes Zelda great.

To say that WW or TP is better is a joke. Especially considering that TP is a pale imitation of OoT and parts of WW was filler.

The 64 Zelda's were definitely the best.

Tragic_Kingdom7

What about A link in The Past. I personally find that being the best out of all Zeldas.

Honestly, I sort of forgot about that.

I would label that one the second best. OoT's atmosphere is what puts it over the top.

imo wind waker is better the oot....

its the only zelda game i loved .. it was totally unique

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game dotWithShoes

The horror the Ps2 started(casual gaming) has kept right on going.

Yeah, the Wii is the new torchbearer. :lol:

[QUOTE="Auroni"]Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games ever made. Not the greatest in my eyes but great.foxhound_fox

I see so much people claiming that. The game didn't feel like that to me at all when I played it. I can see some close references, but the 3d world alone made so many differences.

Hell even the most things that people used to compare the two were, quite frankly, very far appart from what I played. Things like the story, or even the universe wich was filed with characters and races seen for the very first time in the series. I find so many people calling it a rehash of ALTTP, and yet I can name so many features that were composed in the game never before seen in the series.

imo wind waker is better the oot....

its the only zelda game i loved .. it was totally unique

Colorful_Hippie

If you look past the art style, its actual design was much poorer than OoT's.

Wind Waker is so far from perfect.

Tedious sailing, that moronic triforce fetch quest, way to easy, etc.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Seriously. While WW was fun, it wasn't the top Zelda. The sailing, trifore fetch and tingle were all in there to fill time, imo.

:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

Why are you guys arguing opinions? Do you hope that the other guy will change his mind and agree with you?Snowboarder99

Well, seeing as this is a debate forum based on such a frivolous subject as video games, what are you expecting?

Some people enjoy debating opinions just to kill time or simply for the social interaction.

I hate when somebody comes into the thread and triest to put a stopper in debate, no matter what kind.

As long as its not fanboyish I don't see what's the problem.

Why are you guys arguing opinions? Do you hope that the other guy will change his mind and agree with you?Snowboarder99

The irony of posting in SYSTEM WARS. :|

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Haee

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

My Grandma got the Fierce Deity mask in Majora's Mask last night! :D

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Wind Waker is so far from perfect.

Tedious sailing, that moronic triforce fetch quest, way to easy, etc.

SSCyborg

Seriously. While WW was fun, it wasn't the top Zelda. The sailing, trifore fetch and tingle were all in there to fill time, imo.

For sure. The tri-force thing was an artificial game lengthener.

To this day, OoT still is perfectly paced and it's not a second too short, not a second too long.

I have.

The only way to improve on the perfect 2D Zelda.

Make a perfect 3D Zelda.

SSCyborg

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OOT isn't even that good...

Mario Galaxy should be on the throne.

Auroni

You're joking, surely?

OoT gets all this praise only from Nostalgia. The game is terrible compared to todays standards.

I'm sure you'll be saying that about Galaxy in a couple of years.

Galaxy gets all this hype now but lets see in 5 years. Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games ever made. Not the greatest in my eyes but great. Games (especially Nintendo games) are only good in one aspect - Gameplay. The music is pretty much the same. The graphics are a big meh considering the PS3 and 360 kill them (not saying they are bad but comparing it to other games from the current generation). The story sucks and is nonexistant. Finally, no multiplayer which is not a terrible thing in some great single player games like Bioshock or Metal Gear Solid that have great stories.

Galaxy is probably a solid game but not gods gift to gaming like most people say it is. Ocarina of Time did what games should at the time. Like IGN said, the game "it means a game is pushing boundaries, expanding a genre, and doing many things to a level so far above and beyond its competitors". And thats what Ocarina of Time did at the time and what GTA IV is doing now. Galaxy hasn't really pushed anything. Sure its motion controls are unique but forgetful.

Galaxy will be remembered for all the things that you said it wouldnt be remembered for. The music has been given acclaim in pretty much every review so far, it also won awards for its sound design and soundtrack in several publications. Unlike games such as call of duty and crysis which will eventually become outdated in a graphical front, galaxy will not simply because its art style cannot be outdated, this is why games like okami and ico will also be remembered long after cod4. Multiplayer hasn't hurt ocarina.

If there is one game that did expand the genre and push the boundaries then galaxy must surely be that game. Galaxy is a platformer that doesnt even use platformers as its core mechanic. What other game actually removed the basic architecture that the series itself created 20 years ago.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]I have.

The only way to improve on the perfect 2D Zelda.

Make a perfect 3D Zelda.

foxhound_fox

Same thing could be said about any sequel game or spiritual sucessor that improves upon the other in some way.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

WW>>>>LttP>>>MM>>>>TP>>>OOT>>>LoZ>>>>>LoZII

SSCyborg

Oh please. Worse than TP? That rehash?

Same thing could be said about any sequel game or spiritual sucessor that improves upon the other in some way.shadow_702

[QUOTE="shadow_702"]Same thing could be said about any sequel game or spiritual sucessor that improves upon the other in some way.foxhound_fox

Of course.Oot was a great not a perfect game. Just like GTA IV.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Haee

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

It might've been a rehash, but for anyone newer to the franchise, it's a far better title, even if OoT had TP graphics. The game has more intuitive dungeons, better enemy design, a darker atmosphere, and a better main story, although less traditional Zelda (yes, Zelda games can have good stories).

They should've just renamed it OoT 2.0 or something, but then again that doesn't sound good for sales. Oh and Majora's Mask was by far the best Zelda.
Saturos3091

Wrong and wrong.

TP benefits from being on a more powerful system. That is all.

It was not paced as well, not as inspired, etc.

It had a darker atmosphere, but that doesn't mean a better atmosphere.

I don't agree with the Majora's Mask comment either, but Majora's Mask comes closer to OoT than TP.

TP's can be cranked out a dozen times. You only get one OoT.

[QUOTE="Haee"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

Really ? I thought that was Madden. :D

Ocarina of Time was good when it came out. Compared to games released now, it is very poor. It was dethroned long ago.

DustAmulet

[QUOTE="Haee"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

All you are doing is pointing to the sales and popularity and proving nothing about the game itself. You have no point at all.

And even if Zelda games were more hardcore than GTA games, that doesn't make them hardcore either.

[QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="thrones"]

As anyone who has looked at GR for a few seconds has noticed, Ocarina of Time is currently the first best game. Question is, this year will it likely be dethroned? There's one game being released on the 29th that looks rather promising, open world, criminal action. Rather solid looking game that may perhaps dethrone Ocarina of Time. It's part of a great running series naturally that has a great experience.

Also there's some other games coming out which I will not list because they are far to awesome and if you have missed them then it is your own fault for being so damn cheeky and not paying attention to the gaming industry. Well. Fine, perhaps Metal Gear Solid 4 might dethrone it, or Fable 2 perhaps. Likely Spore or Starcraft II though.

Hexagon_777

OOt didn't have to go against all the gms back.Gta has to be amazing and plus u have to remember OOt reviews are very little while in the coming weeks u will see no name websites saying GTA is a 8.0 and lower it's score.OOt has like 30 reviews while the others from the top ten gets like 100.

Complete and utter lies. Stop making stuff up.

• There is only one game with at least 100 reviews in the Top Ten on GameRankings and that is Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube.

• None of the other games come even close to 100 reviews except Metroid Prime for the GameCube.

• There are 4 games in the Top Ten on GameRankings with less reviews than Ocarina of Time.

What you are basically saying is that Metroid Prme for the GameCube with its 91 reviews should be above The Orange Box for the PC with its 31 reviews, right?

Interesting. :shock:

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="thrones"]

As anyone who has looked at GR for a few seconds has noticed, Ocarina of Time is currently the first best game. Question is, this year will it likely be dethroned? There's one game being released on the 29th that looks rather promising, open world, criminal action. Rather solid looking game that may perhaps dethrone Ocarina of Time. It's part of a great running series naturally that has a great experience.

Also there's some other games coming out which I will not list because they are far to awesome and if you have missed them then it is your own fault for being so damn cheeky and not paying attention to the gaming industry. Well. Fine, perhaps Metal Gear Solid 4 might dethrone it, or Fable 2 perhaps. Likely Spore or Starcraft II though.

Hexagon_777

OOt didn't have to go against all the gms back.Gta has to be amazing and plus u have to remember OOt reviews are very little while in the coming weeks u will see no name websites saying GTA is a 8.0 and lower it's score.OOt has like 30 reviews while the others from the top ten gets like 100.

Complete and utter lies. Stop making stuff up.

• There is only one game with at least 100 reviews in the Top Ten on GameRankings and that is Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube.

• None of the other games come even close to 100 reviews except Metroid Prime for the GameCube.

• There are 4 games in the Top Ten on GameRankings with less reviews than Ocarina of Time.

What you are basically saying is that Metroid Prme for the GameCube with its 91 reviews should be above The Orange Box for the PC with its 31 reviews, right?

Interesting. :shock:

You have to judge a game based on the time in which it was made...and it still holds up well today.
darkslider99

[QUOTE="DustAmulet"]

Ocarina of Time was good when it came out. Compared to games released now, it is very poor. It was dethroned long ago.

bri360

Actually it isnt poor, even by todays standards it is still an extremly good game. Ive just played it again recently, and it is still better than most games made today. Not including graphics of course.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]You have to judge a game based on the time in which it was made...and it still holds up well today.
foxhound_fox

GR is a poor representation of what the "best" games are. The amount of reviews OoT received back in its day were far less than most games receive today thus making it a much more easier to achieve goal for OoT. Most of the praise for OoT comes from the bandwagon these days and nostalgia.

There can be no quantitative objective "best" game since all of that "objective data" is subjective opinion.

If OoT were the objective "best" game because of its rating than the conclusion can be reached that every other game that has recieved the same rating, 10/10 or 5/5 or 100/100, at every other game review site/magazine is on the same level as OoT.foxhound_fox

The more reviews a game has, the less a bad review will hurt it's average (It's arithmetic mean).

100 + 100 + 100 + 100 + 80 = 480
480 / 5 = 96

100 + 100 + 80 = 280
280 / 3 = 93.33 recurring.

It's a lot harder to get a good score when the sample is smaller.

[QUOTE="Haee"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

Why? From all the thousand lables that gamers love to use towards gaming in any chance they can get, are we basing this on? The fact that casuals are attracted to it, just as much as the hardcore? The fact that Zelda, and a lot other series in this day and age can definitely fall into the same pattern?... Perhaps we're talking about difficulty? And even tho I find both series to be quite easy, I would find Zelda to be the easier of the two in this day and age.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="Haee"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Tragic_Kingdom7

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

All you are doing is pointing to the sales and popularity and proving nothing about the game itself. You have no point at all.

And even if Zelda games were more hardcore than GTA games, that doesn't make them hardcore either.

yup....you know you've walked into a zelda thread when you have people looking at OOT through nostalgia goggles and others flinging poop at eachother debating which was worse...TP's predictable design or WW's tedious sailing.

The more reviews a game has, the less a bad review will hurt it's average (It's arithmetic mean).

100 + 100 + 100 + 100 + 80 = 480
480 / 5 = 96

100 + 100 + 80 = 280
280 / 3 = 93.33 recurring.

It's a lot harder to get a good score when the sample is smaller.

householdman

I agree somewhat...but you can't say Mario Brothers for the NES is trash because it has bad graphics.. or no save feature...there are several factors to consider when you want to decide if something is the "best game ever". For example, you'd never give the title to a game which was just a clone of another great game, you'd have ton consider that it never did anything new.darkslider99

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="Haee"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I never knew the Zelda games were hardc0r3.

All you are doing is pointing to the sales and popularity and proving nothing about the game itself. You have no point at all.

And even if Zelda games were more hardcore than GTA games, that doesn't make them hardcore either.

Could it possibly be that GTA is a game of all seasons? I know plenty of harcore and casual gamers that loved the series.

You're trying to point to GTA's so-called "casualness" as if its a bad thing. In reality, the game is appealing to both casuals who like the mayhem and hardcore players who like the game for its scope.

Honsestly, this new GTA seems as deep and immersive as it gets.

I agree somewhat...but you can't say Mario Brothers for the NES is trash because it has bad graphics.. or no save feature...there are several factors to consider when you want to decide if something is the "best game ever". For example, you'd never give the title to a game which was just a clone of another great game, you'd have ton consider that it never did anything new.darkslider99

yup....you know you've walked into a zelda thread when you have people looking at OOT through nostalgia goggles and others flinging poop at eachother debating which was worse...TP's predictable design or WW's tedious sailing.

Shinobishyguy

I'm honestly not looking at OoT through nostalgia goggles. It's nothing short of amazing how brilliant the pacing and level design of OoTP still is.

OOT isn't even that good...

Aljosa23

Shut your mouth. :P

[QUOTE="Haee"]

Tragic_Kingdom7

Could it possibly be that GTA is a game of all seasons? I know plenty of harcore and casual gamers that loved the series.

You're trying to point to GTA's so-called "casualness" as if its a bad thing. In reality, the game is appealing to both casuals who like the mayhem and hardcore players who like the game for its scope.

Honsestly, this new GTA seems as deep and immersive as it gets.

I have no problem casul games Im just pointing out how people think its fine that a game like GTA4 will somhow be this super hardcore experience and dethrone OOT.