Ocarina of TIme being dethroned?

That's why I used " " around best, I agree you can't have a best game ever, only a personal best . But, I did misunderstand what you meant. What I mean bya cross consoles is when considering if a game is good or not, and how you need to give passes onc ertain things. I'll use Super Mario Brothers again. Great on it's own merits, however, you could fault it for lacking certain features that are common places today if you were a complete idiot. An example would be it's graphics, or lack fo a save feature (the NES version that is). So if someone was to say 'SMB is trash because of it's graphics' that would be simply idiotic, which is why I mena you need to take the generation into consideration.
darkslider99

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Haee"]

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Could it possibly be that GTA is a game of all seasons? I know plenty of harcore and casual gamers that loved the series.

You're trying to point to GTA's so-called "casualness" as if its a bad thing. In reality, the game is appealing to both casuals who like the mayhem and hardcore players who like the game for its scope.

Honsestly, this new GTA seems as deep and immersive as it gets.

I have no problem casul games Im just pointing out how people think its fine that a game like GTA4 will somhow be this super hardcore experience and dethrone OOT.

Even if GTA4 is part of a "casual" franchise, it will still be a super hardcore experience. The staggering amount of detail and scope it offers is plenty hardcore.

You keep calling GTA4 casual without reffering to any gameplay elements that would make it casual. So far, the gameplay seems more "hardcore" than that of OoT, which is expected, because the new hardware can do more.

Halo is a game that is casual in both gameplay and perception. GTA is not. It is a game that can be played in a hardcore fashion or a casual fashion.

If GTA dethroned OoT, it would be perfectly legit.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

It might've been a rehash, but for anyone newer to the franchise, it's a far better title, even if OoT had TP graphics. The game has more intuitive dungeons, better enemy design, a darker atmosphere, and a better main story, although less traditional Zelda (yes, Zelda games can have good stories).

They should've just renamed it OoT 2.0 or something, but then again that doesn't sound good for sales. Oh and Majora's Mask was by far the best Zelda.
Tragic_Kingdom7

Wrong and wrong.

TP benefits from being on a more powerful system. That is all.

It was not paced as well, not as inspired, etc.

It had a darker atmosphere, but that doesn't mean a better atmosphere.

I don't agree with the Majora's Mask comment either, but Majora's Mask comes closer to OoT than TP.

TP's can be cranked out a dozen times. You only get one OoT.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

As anyone who has looked at GR for a few seconds has noticed, Ocarina of Time is currently the first best game. Question is, this year will it likely be dethroned? There's one game being released on the 29th that looks rather promising, open world, criminal action. Rather solid looking game that may perhaps dethrone Ocarina of Time. It's part of a great running series naturally that has a great experience.

Also there's some other games coming out which I will not list because they are far to awesome and if you have missed them then it is your own fault for being so damn cheeky and not paying attention to the gaming industry. Well. Fine, perhaps Metal Gear Solid 4 might dethrone it, or Fable 2 perhaps. Likely Spore or Starcraft II though.

jujutheking

OOt didn't have to go against all the gms back.Gta has to be amazing and plus u have to remember OOt reviews are very little while in the coming weeks u will see no name websites saying GTA is a 8.0 and lower it's score.OOt has like 30 reviews while the others from the top ten gets like 100.

Complete and utter lies. Stop making stuff up.

• There is only one game with at least 100 reviews in the Top Ten on GameRankings and that is Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube.

• None of the other games come even close to 100 reviews except Metroid Prime for the GameCube.

• There are 4 games in the Top Ten on GameRankings with less reviews than Ocarina of Time.

What you are basically saying is that Metroid Prme for the GameCube with its 91 reviews should be above The Orange Box for the PC with its 31 reviews, right?

[QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="thrones"]

As anyone who has looked at GR for a few seconds has noticed, Ocarina of Time is currently the first best game. Question is, this year will it likely be dethroned? There's one game being released on the 29th that looks rather promising, open world, criminal action. Rather solid looking game that may perhaps dethrone Ocarina of Time. It's part of a great running series naturally that has a great experience.

Also there's some other games coming out which I will not list because they are far to awesome and if you have missed them then it is your own fault for being so damn cheeky and not paying attention to the gaming industry. Well. Fine, perhaps Metal Gear Solid 4 might dethrone it, or Fable 2 perhaps. Likely Spore or Starcraft II though.

Hexagon_777

OOt didn't have to go against all the gms back.Gta has to be amazing and plus u have to remember OOt reviews are very little while in the coming weeks u will see no name websites saying GTA is a 8.0 and lower it's score.OOt has like 30 reviews while the others from the top ten gets like 100.

Complete and utter lies. Stop making stuff up.

• There is only one game with at least 100 reviews in the Top Ten on GameRankings and that is Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube.

• None of the other games come even close to 100 reviews except Metroid Prime for the GameCube.

• There are 4 games in the Top Ten on GameRankings with less reviews than Ocarina of Time.

What you are basically saying is that Metroid Prme for the GameCube with its 91 reviews should be above The Orange Box for the PC with its 31 reviews, right?

Actually it should, thats why GR is pointless, because not all games have the same amount of reviews, and some of the reviews are from dumb webesites to begin with.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

It might've been a rehash, but for anyone newer to the franchise, it's a far better title, even if OoT had TP graphics. The game has more intuitive dungeons, better enemy design, a darker atmosphere, and a better main story, although less traditional Zelda (yes, Zelda games can have good stories).

They should've just renamed it OoT 2.0 or something, but then again that doesn't sound good for sales. Oh and Majora's Mask was by far the best Zelda.
Saturos3091

Wrong and wrong.

TP benefits from being on a more powerful system. That is all.

It was not paced as well, not as inspired, etc.

It had a darker atmosphere, but that doesn't mean a better atmosphere.

I don't agree with the Majora's Mask comment either, but Majora's Mask comes closer to OoT than TP.

TP's can be cranked out a dozen times. You only get one OoT.

In response to the bolded bit:

That's exactly why I thought TP didn't feel inspired.

It felt like they weren't trying to exceed their own standards. I felt they should have started from the ground up and tried to top and expand upon OoT, the way Rockstar went about GTAIV.

Instead, they tried to match it and came out with a product that seems more servicable than amazing IMO.

To me, its mindblogging how even the two games are as far as atmosphere. I feel that TP, with the newer hardware, should be leagues ahead in that department, yet it's not.

I feel if Nintendo keeps trying to match old Zelda games, they'll hit a brick wall. They need to take advantage of new gameplay elements and expand on the Zelda formula. Otherwise they'll just be settling for less.

Super Mario Galaxy is a step in right direction however. I feel that Mario is exceeding expectations far more than Link is.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

yup....you know you've walked into a zelda thread when you have people looking at OOT through nostalgia goggles and others flinging poop at eachother debating which was worse...TP's predictable design or WW's tedious sailing.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I'm honestly not looking at OoT through nostalgia goggles. It's nothing short of amazing how brilliant the pacing and level design of OoTP still is.

MM had NPC's that had...y'know...personality. Something that the husks known as OOT's NPC's lacked. Not to mention that it had better side quests and was arguably the most difficult 3d zelda.

WW had a more charming atmosphere and the best story of any zelda game.

and ther last couple of dungeons in TP *namely the ice and sky dungeon* were more expansive than most of the dungeons in OOT

In response to the bolded bit:

That's exactly why I thought TP didn't feel inspired.

It felt like they weren't trying to exceed their own standards. I felt they should have started from the ground up and tried to top and expand upon OoT, the way Rockstar went about GTAIV.

Instead, they tried to match it and came out with a product that seems more servicable than amazing IMO.

To me, its mindblogging how even the two games are as far as atmosphere. I feel that TP, with the newer hardware, should be leagues ahead in that department, yet it's not.

I feel if Nintendo keeps trying to match old Zelda games, they'll hit a brick wall. They need to take advantage of new gameplay elements and expand on the Zelda formula. Otherwise they'll just be settling for less.

Super Mario Galaxy is a step in right direction however. I feel that Mario is exceeding expectations far more than Link is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Auroni"]Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games ever made. Not the greatest in my eyes but great.Aljosa23

I have.

The only way to improve on the perfect 2D Zelda.

Make a perfect 3D Zelda.

And it's called Wind Waker.

Actually it should, thats why GR is pointless, because not all games have the same amount of reviews, and some of the reviews are from dumb webesites to begin with.

kool-aids

Pointless if only used in a pointless way. Wich seems to fit the exact porpuse of their use in these forums. But the sites in general are far from pointless at all; they are in fact quite usefull to get in touch with a huge ammount of reviews for any games on the fly.

[QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="thrones"]

As anyone who has looked at GR for a few seconds has noticed, Ocarina of Time is currently the first best game. Question is, this year will it likely be dethroned? There's one game being released on the 29th that looks rather promising, open world, criminal action. Rather solid looking game that may perhaps dethrone Ocarina of Time. It's part of a great running series naturally that has a great experience.

Also there's some other games coming out which I will not list because they are far to awesome and if you have missed them then it is your own fault for being so damn cheeky and not paying attention to the gaming industry. Well. Fine, perhaps Metal Gear Solid 4 might dethrone it, or Fable 2 perhaps. Likely Spore or Starcraft II though.

Hexagon_777

OOt didn't have to go against all the gms back.Gta has to be amazing and plus u have to remember OOt reviews are very little while in the coming weeks u will see no name websites saying GTA is a 8.0 and lower it's score.OOt has like 30 reviews while the others from the top ten gets like 100.

Complete and utter lies. Stop making stuff up.

• There is only one game with at least 100 reviews in the Top Ten on GameRankings and that is Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube.

• None of the other games come even close to 100 reviews except Metroid Prime for the GameCube.

• There are 4 games in the Top Ten on GameRankings with less reviews than Ocarina of Time.

What you are basically saying is that Metroid Prme for the GameCube with its 91 reviews should be above The Orange Box for the PC with its 31 reviews, right?

You know those people who send you a text, and you don't reply to them - or forget too - and they keep sending the same text over and over?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

In response to the bolded bit:

That's exactly why I thought TP didn't feel inspired.

It felt like they weren't trying to exceed their own standards. I felt they should have started from the ground up and tried to top and expand upon OoT, the way Rockstar went about GTAIV.

Instead, they tried to match it and came out with a product that seems more servicable than amazing IMO.

To me, its mindblogging how even the two games are as far as atmosphere. I feel that TP, with the newer hardware, should be leagues ahead in that department, yet it's not.

I feel if Nintendo keeps trying to match old Zelda games, they'll hit a brick wall. They need to take advantage of new gameplay elements and expand on the Zelda formula. Otherwise they'll just be settling for less.

Super Mario Galaxy is a step in right direction however. I feel that Mario is exceeding expectations far more than Link is.

Saturos3091

I actually have lots of hope for the next Zelda game, because TP originated on Gamecube.

I feel that the next Zelda will rise out of the new pool of inspiration that inspired SMG.

For Nintendo to become amazing again they need to leave all Gamecubishness behind.

SMG kicked Sunshine's ass and I'm hoping that the next Zelda will kick TP's ass.

I've been dissapointed with what the Wii has offered thus far, but I'm still rooting for Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

yup....you know you've walked into a zelda thread when you have people looking at OOT through nostalgia goggles and others flinging poop at eachother debating which was worse...TP's predictable design or WW's tedious sailing.

Shinobishyguy

I'm honestly not looking at OoT through nostalgia goggles. It's nothing short of amazing how brilliant the pacing and level design of OoTP still is.

MM had NPC's that had...y'know...personality. Something that the husks known as OOT's NPC's lacked. Not to mention that it had better side quests and was arguably the most difficult 3d zelda.

WW had a more charming atmosphere and the best story of any zelda game.

and ther last couple of dungeons in TP *namely the ice and sky dungeon* were more expansive than most of the dungeons in OOT

to this day i wish the sky dungeon had been an actual area rather than yet another unnecessary dungeon crawl (the ice house was worse though)

I actually have lots of hope for the next Zelda game, because TP originated on Gamecube.

I feel that the next Zelda will rise out of the new pool of inspiration that inspired SMG.

For Nintendo to become amazing again they need to leave all Gamecubishness behind.

SMG kicked Sunshine's ass and I'm hoping that the next Zelda will kick TP's ass.

I've been dissapointed with what the Wii has offered thus far, but I'm still rooting for Nintendo.

Tragic_Kingdom7

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OOT isn't even that good...

Mario Galaxy should be on the throne.

Auroni

You're joking, surely?

OoT gets all this praise only from Nostalgia. The game is terrible compared to todays standards.

I'm sure you'll be saying that about Galaxy in a couple of years.

Galaxy gets all this hype now but lets see in 5 years. Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games ever made. Not the greatest in my eyes but great. Games (especially Nintendo games) are only good in one aspect - Gameplay. The music is pretty much the same. The graphics are a big meh considering the PS3 and 360 kill them (not saying they are bad but comparing it to other games from the current generation). The story sucks and is nonexistant. Finally, no multiplayer which is not a terrible thing in some great single player games like Bioshock or Metal Gear Solid that have great stories.

Galaxy is probably a solid game but not gods gift to gaming like most people say it is. Ocarina of Time did what games should at the time. Like IGN said, the game "it means a game is pushing boundaries, expanding a genre, and doing many things to a level so far above and beyond its competitors". And thats what Ocarina of Time did at the time and what GTA IV is doing now. Galaxy hasn't really pushed anything. Sure its motion controls are unique but forgetful.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

yup....you know you've walked into a zelda thread when you have people looking at OOT through nostalgia goggles and others flinging poop at eachother debating which was worse...TP's predictable design or WW's tedious sailing.

Shinobishyguy

I'm honestly not looking at OoT through nostalgia goggles. It's nothing short of amazing how brilliant the pacing and level design of OoTP still is.

MM had NPC's that had...y'know...personality. Something that the husks known as OOT's NPC's lacked. Not to mention that it had better side quests and was arguably the most difficult 3d zelda.

WW had a more charming atmosphere and the best story of any zelda game.

and ther last couple of dungeons in TP *namely the ice and sky dungeon* were more expansive than most of the dungeons in OOT

I won't deny that the sequels have their things that they do better. However, as an entire package, OoT still comes out as the strongest.

And I honestly don't see what was so great about WW's storyline. All the Zelda games storylines seem about on the same level to me. They're charming, of course, but still secondary to gameplay (which is why Zelda (all of them) always has and always will destroy Final Fantasy.)

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

I actually have lots of hope for the next Zelda game, because TP originated on Gamecube.

I feel that the next Zelda will rise out of the new pool of inspiration that inspired SMG.

For Nintendo to become amazing again they need to leave all Gamecubishness behind.

SMG kicked Sunshine's ass and I'm hoping that the next Zelda will kick TP's ass.

I've been dissapointed with what the Wii has offered thus far, but I'm still rooting for Nintendo.

Saturos3091

I'm not a huge fan of the Wii, but I'm actually getting one in about a month or so (for Mario Galaxy), so if a killer Zelda comes out, I'll be extremely pleased with my purchase.

I also would like if Metroid ditched the FPS view. Sure, it was a great decision to do that for Prime, but I just want something different for Metroid now.

Though now I come to think about it, they did say they were done with the Prime branch of games. So maybe I'll get my wish.

Grand Theft Auto can be enjoyed and played by adults and probably more kids.

Ocarina of Time can be enjoyed and played by everyone.

Grand Theft Auto can be enjoyed and played by adults and probably more kids.

Ocarina of Time can be enjoyed and played by everyone.

SHuN_G0Ku

That is merely because of society's reaction to violence.

It doesn't at all speak to the quality of the game, which is what reviews should determine.

OoT has a 98% average because so few publications reviewed it. In this day, 100's of sites review a game and one or two will give a game a low rating and bring the whole average down. So, no, OoT isnt going anywhere.whocares4peace

You're not very good at math are you? If 98 reviews gave the game 100, the other 2 reviews would have to give the game a 0/10 for it to get a 98%... So if like twenty sites gave GTA 10, ten other sites could all give GTA a 9.4 and the game would still get a 98% on gamerankings. If GTA gets 30 perfect reviews, 10 other reviewers could give the game a 9.2 and it would still get a 98% on gamerankings...

I doubt itSnowboarder99

Gta 4 is already at 99.2%.And has been reviewed 11 media sites.So why do you doubt it?

GTA 4 is probably the biggest threat oot has seen so far, but I highly doubt it....

It would be hard to give a rehash the title of the best game ever, even if it's an amazing rehash.

Going from 2D to 3D with such near perfection, OOT was such a new and refreshing experience, whereas today it seems like games are more of the same with the occasional game providing small changes. OOT was the first 3D game that actually felt like an epic adventure, also OOT was around in a time when the casual gamers weren't around to skew how good a game was, so I don't think you can call it overated.

i dout it highly...GTA isen't as all apealing as zelda or MGS and has a larger fanbase than starcraftdarkspineslayer

I had to lol at that.

MGS is the kind of game that has limited appeal. It is a game with a huge cult following, but it doesn't have the kind of universal appeal that GTA or Halo does.

Also, the reviews will not judge it based on bing all appealing, per se, but on the quality of the experience.

Ocarina of Time = 32 reviews counted on Game Rankings, Super Mario Galaxy has like 2X more and is only a few mini points behind it. Resident Evil 4 has like 100 reviews and is also a few points behind it. In other words, OOT has been dethroned loooooong time ago.haris12121212

Personally, I thought SMG was the closest we would ever come to dethroning OoT.

Then again, I may be proven wrong. Only time will tell.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]Ocarina of Time = 32 reviews counted on Game Rankings, Super Mario Galaxy has like 2X more and is only a few mini points behind it. Resident Evil 4 has like 100 reviews and is also a few points behind it. In other words, OOT has been dethroned loooooong time ago.householdman

The Gamerankings "rankings" aren't fair for new games, cause they get much more reviews than OOT, therefore there are bound to drop. Do you know that when Mario Galaxy hit the same number of reviews as OOT, it was scored higher than OOT.

[QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]Ocarina of Time = 32 reviews counted on Game Rankings, Super Mario Galaxy has like 2X more and is only a few mini points behind it. Resident Evil 4 has like 100 reviews and is also a few points behind it. In other words, OOT has been dethroned loooooong time ago.haris12121212

The Gamerankings "rankings" aren't fair for new games, cause they get much more reviews than OOT, therefore there are bound to drop. Do you know that when Mario Galaxy hit the same number of reviews as OOT, it was scored higher than OOT.

Agreed 100%. Every other game has to endure 2x as many reviews.

That's 2x as many reviewers that use whatever forumla for scoring games...and whatever scale they want to use. Do you guys know what happens when a game get's a 4.5 / 5? it's a 90%. As in, if you're game isn't good enough to get a perfect 5/5 score, the next best score is a 90%.

those 90%'s add up. Quickly.

It almost feels like theivery that OOT gets to sit up there with so few reviews. Not that it's not a good game, but because it didn't have to be judged so many times (inevitably bringing down the score further).

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]i dout it highly...GTA isen't as all apealing as zelda or MGS and has a larger fanbase than starcraftTragic_Kingdom7

I had to lol at that.

MGS is the kind of game that has limited appeal. It is a game with a huge cult following, but it doesn't have the kind of universal appeal that GTA or Halo does.

Also, the reviews will not judge it based on bing all appealing, per se, but on the quality of the experience.

sorry major typo there, i ment to say GTA and MGS don't have the kind of all apealing status as zelda.

and it does hold a bit of a factor, if a game appeals to everybody then the rewiewer won't be thrown off because he/she diden't like the genre/game

To get to Ocarina, you need to get thru Super Mario Galaxy.

No easy task.

I doubt there will be a game this gen that will even dethrone SMG from 2nd place.Zhengi

Dethroned by the likes of GTAIV?

:lol:

Maybe for a few days like Super Mario Galaxy, but stay up there permanently? I doubt it.

:lol: OoT being dethroned by a casual game Gh0st_Of_0nyx

That's pretty stupid coming from a sheep. Nintendo is like the definition of casual these days.

That's pretty stupid coming from a sheep. Nintendo is like the definition of casual these days. Lazy_Boy88

If any game is going to dethrone Ocarina of Time, it will probably be Starcraft II.LordQuorthon

Blizzard games usually score in the low 90s, they never get a huge amount of hype. They are my favourite gaqmes but i don't see Starcraft 2 getting any 10's simply because the formula has to stay quite true to the first game.

I doubt it matters much, I've experienced better games than OoT. I doubt it will be knocked off top spot, gamers and reviewers are far more jaded these days than when 3D graphics were new.