October 2015 NPD Official Thread || XB1 Won! Halo 5 #1!!

GS Game of the Month - Halo 5

Console and game top NPD

Summary of this comments section lol:

Sums you up perfectly.....

Two posters already pointed to that. Cosmic Queso is one of them. You have a GAF account and know how things work over there.

Still this number is without bundles and digital sales. Still gonna wait till Cream "confirms" it.

Haven't been on GAF today since it crashed following the Nintendo Direct :p

But okay, good enough for me. But even if it's not a million, 800k-900k is hardly anything to sneeze at.

"But nobody plays split screen" -343

Those clowns couldn't even port the old Halo's without completely botching it. It's no coincidence that Bungie leaves and makes another hit.

Someone said Cream has access to the specific bundle number too so it "might" be it included in that figure. Won't know for sure until later. Digital is not gonna do much.

Why would MS do that when a game is selling as much as halo 5 is right now and making them money? Halo 5 is definitely an improvement over Halo 4.The majority of the decline can be attributed to previous halo games and the xbox one's current reception compared to the PS4.

Figured lol.....I've seen a few cows get owned before from using neogaf. Just saying. Even when the X1 wins it loses, right? Lol.....alrighty back to reality I go.

When the other Halo's opened at 3 million+ that is an unheard of decline. Especially in a month with no competition at all.

I agree, and Halo is definitely not what it used to be. Even accounting for digital sales, there is a massive gulf here. I'm not one to argue Halo is what it used to be when it is not.

But even so, assuming 900k units sold (at maximum, more than that and we would have heard a number in Microsoft's press release), that's a good amount to sell in five days, a very good amount. Not Halo 3 good, but a good amount regardless.

Since 343 took over Halo has lost over 66% of its fanbase. It's becoming the new Sonic.

Wow, Halol sold less than million?! Massive decline in sales if true.

What a flop.

There are statistic data about digital sales from AAA games. I dont have the link at hand, but it points towards a 25% of sales in the release window or something like that.

25% is quite a good chunk of a pie.

The difference is they released a broken game(MP wise mostly) and a halo game that people hated a lot. Sega released multiple poor sonic games for years and the decline happened for that franchise as a result. A sonic game would be lucky to sell as much as halo 5 now. 343i has not been a disaster at handling the halo franchise since bungie left.They messed up with halo 4 and halo mcc, but they have been listening pretty decently to a lot of the criticisms people aimed at them over the years.

Indeed, all companies would kill for games with such sales.

We need still to see the legs of Halo 5.

That is the absolute high end of the percentage. Let's say you add another 200k or so it is still a massive decline.

Yeah, I know is the high end. But Halo is a big franchise whiche revolves around Live and I am putting quite "optimist" numbers.

How have they not been a disaster when you just admitted that the only things they've done is release a broken game (MCC) and the most hated game in the series (4)? Now for 5 they got rid of split screen and its the lowest scoring and selling game in series history by over 2 million. I don't see how anyone can possibly think they are a good developer.

It already fell out of the Amazon top 20.

You two really setting yourselves up

That is for the International, that is not related to the player numbers in the game or the funds generated through the general micro-transactions. That is essentially a fund for the tournament that takes place in Seattle every year and over the years has garnered larger notoriety in the community and support.

Casual players through the course of time turning into competitive players and supporting the competitive scene more and more etc.

4 to 5 million when you break down every possible bit of revenue generated by Halo 5 and its products comparatively to that $400,000,000 figure over one week especially to the results of console hardware sales.

Oh no, he might get his FORUM ACCOUNT banned if he's wrong, oh god please no... Not that! Do you people hear yourselves lol... This isn't evidence, this is the word of one random guy on a forum board, you guys laugh at places like VGChartz but this guy on a forum is your epitome of credibility....

LOL my god...

The year Halo 3 dropped, the 360 had about 10-11 million units sold and Halo sold 3.3 million copies in 12 days, and sold $170 in the first day. Are we expecting Halo 5 to do so much better, considering that MS will not release numbers on copies sold, combined revenue with hardware, micro transactions and who knows what other sales data?

SW aside, look I don't really care if Halo sold well or not. I'm a fanboy of Halo 1-3. I was one of those 3.3 Million and I would love for Halo to be good and sell well. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking this game sold nearly $400 million in copies on an install base that's roughly the size of the 360 in 2007.

Just because it didn't sell 1 million copies doesn't mean it sold 100K. It could have fallen short of the 1 million mark, like 950K. It's still impressive for any game released on one platform, but at the same time, you have to wonder at 1 Million sold, making the total for the first few days roughly $50 Million, where is the other $350 million coming from in that $400 million figure. That alone should get you thinking.

Wouldn't compendium sales factor into microtransactions?

@nyadc: I'm assuming that's world wide and not US right? But let's say you mean US, that's about $200 Million. What constitutes the other $250 Million in Halo-ish sales?

I saw someone say the revenue could also include sold-in copies and hardware and not sold through which would explain a lot because the actual sales don't add up to the revenue number m$ gave and the NPD and UK charts are not lying about the game having soft sales.

That random guy announced Xbox's victory and Halo 5 topping the charts an hour before the press releases. Can you do better?

Yes world wide, if it's 4 million that would leave $160,000,000 for controllers, REQ's, consoles, LCE's etc. At 5 million that would leave $100,000,000.

The game moved a lot of units.

I could have literally told you that the day Halo 5 was announced, anyone could have, it's Halo...

The most likely scenario is they counted sold-in software and hardware as part of the revenue. Activision did the same thing a couple years ago with Ghosts when they tried to make people think it had a bigger launch than GTA V lol.

Nope.

"Halo 5: Guardians generated more than $400 million in global sales during its first week" -Gamespot

"One week after launching worldwide, Halo 5: Guardians has made history as the biggest Halo launch and fastest-selling Xbox One exclusive game to-date, with more than $400 million in global sales of Halo 5: Guardians games and hardware" - Microsoft

That is consumer sales, the 27th to the 3rd.

Except the actual sales don't back it up and m$ is known to mislead people with their PR. Less than 1 million in the US and 150k in the UK which are by far the xbones biggest 2 markets. Where is all that other money coming from? m$ could lead your gullible ass off a cliff if they wanted to.

Are you going to melt down or not?

That random guy among others have also done the same on months where the outcome has been different, like when Xbox won April and Sony won September. They haven't missed to my knowledge. And yes, it's not as easy getting a gaf account as it is here. They are very strict one what you're allowed to post and you can't straight up lie. It's a good reason why there are people here and not there.

Why would I melt down? I've already proven that asinine sub 1 million unit figure is an impossibility.

The financial numbers do not add up, not with unit sales, not with peripheral sales, not with console hardware sales and not with REQ sales.

The game has to of sold 4-5 million units within that week to fill the gap in that $400 million dollars.

I have zero reason to melt down.

You are assuming, again, that MS gets $60 for every copy sold. That's simply not true. I had a better estimate of at most $50 per game to account for digital sales. That leave $250 Million. So you want to say that controllers, Reqs, and consoles shared $250 Million? Why do that when they obviously shattered Halo 3's record of 3.3 million in less that 12 days, which was their press release info in 2007? Why hide the number 4+ Million copies sold inside of hardware and microtransaction sales? I mean I get the micro's but the consoles and controllers too? They didn't do that with any Halo but this one.

And you say that's 4 Million word wide? How is it then that you have a problem with the US selling around a million in 5 days?

@nyadc: Nowhere in that quote does it say sold to consumers.

Yeah you do. MS should have taken the gap by now and mounting a lead not just here but world wide. I'm surprised you've been so silent about that.

After UK opening and now the U.S. numbers there is absolutely no way the game sold any where near your calculations.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/716424-halo-5-guardians/72750868

The United States likely holds around 50% of the Xbox One market share, also Halo is in general the most popular in the United States, it sells insanely well here, outside of the states it just does okay to good. A sub 1 million figure for the United States, the world, and the sales of everything else just doesn't fill the void.

The Xbox One was in somewhat of a drought and Halo 5 was the utmost anticipated game on the console period. Look at what Microsoft has done lately, they're not publishing unit sales figures anymore for the console itself, they're basing it on Xbox Live activity now. There's no reason to think with a situation such as this that the same dynamic is not at play, also Halo 5 is the biggest release in the franchises history in terms of PR, in terms of how much Microsoft is behind it and what they and it have to offer.

From Microsoft themselves.

"One week after launching worldwide, Halo 5: Guardians has made history as the biggest Halo launch and fastest-selling Xbox One exclusive game to-date, with more than $400 million in global sales of Halo 5: Guardians games and hardware"

These are post consumer sales, "after launching" doesn't get much more simplified in terms of exactly what it means, the shelves were already stocked everywhere before release.

You're going to have to try harder.

Not really. I could say "After launching, the Xbox One has sold 20 Million units!" Does that mean it sold 20 Million to consumers or is that number combining sold though and shipped?

Read my comment again, you people think you're so smart lol...

The game had already shipped, shelves were stocked to the brim EVERYWHERE. There were no shipments that week, they over-compensated dramatically on this release, the most I've ever seen for a game.

So instead of questioning the suspicious $400 million figure that includes numbers from everything other than game sales, you instead try to come up with a way for the suspicious number to make sense? Ok whatever you want to do.

Also, "somewhat of a drought"? Biggest understatement of the year!

That is about as vague a PR statement as it gets. Your own estimates put Halo 5 sales at 4-5 million which would be almost 2 million higher than Halo 3. If it sold anywhere near those numbers m$ would have announced actual sales and not this ridiculously vague revenue PR BS. I mean come on dude Black Ops 3 made $550 million and you really believe Halo 5 on 1 platform sold anywhere near the same ballpark? Use your head.

The actual data we have is it sold 150k in the UK, sub 1 million in the US, and 7k in Japan. I don't know why you think sales charts with no bias are out to get Halo.

I wouldn't be surprised if m$ counted Halo 5 launch week XBL sub revenue too lol.

And how many of those stocked shelves were cleared of copies? Oh but it doesn't matter, they already sold those games to retailers, so they can claim they sold it, without specifying whether they went to consumer's hands or not. How do you claim to be smart yet cannot see your own errors?

Why would I question it? It's a publicly traded company, they can't lie about revenue reporting or the sources of the revenue. It's only suspicious if you mend hats into tinfoil for a living.

Somewhat of a drought is very accurate, the system got a lot of quality games towards the tail end of the year.

You know what, I'm in complete agreement with you that the PS4 will finally find it's stride in 2016 (finger's crossed anyways), and I'll be getting one when it does, just until it does I'm going to enjoy my Xbox One because since I got it and all the way up until now it actually has stuff I want to play a great deal, stuff I can't play on a PS4, plus all the same multiplatforms I can play on a PS4. Wheres stuff on PS4, stuff I really want to play, most of that was pushed back to 2016, I'd of gotten one this Christmas but both Uncharted 4 and Persona 5 weren't going to make it, so I'm waiting until next year. PS4 has stuff I want even now, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Uncharted Collection & TLOU, Soma, but nothing I'm dying to play at the moment, but I'll pick most that other stuff up when I get a PS4 for Uncharted 4 and/or Persona 5 when they finally release, there'll be other PS4 exclusives to look forward to like Nier and No Man's Sky, Tomorrow's Children, and so on.

So, I think it was the better thing for me to get a Wii U and get a Xbox One to play the games I really want to play than play the wait game on the PS4.

People were in a mad rush in the store I purchased mine from at 12 AM on the 27th, and there were boxes of this game they were still bringing out.

They can't claim they were sold, what don't you understand about "One week after launching worldwide"? This is post retail sale, this is after vendors and stores have already purchased units, their financials for that had already been weighed and have absolutely nothing to do with post consumer release figures.

You guys are reaching now, reaching pathetically far to make this work for you and it's just not happening.

They can't lie but they can be as vague and misleading as possible to cover their own asses when they get called out for it.