Odyssey will go down as the most overrated Mario game of all time.

Never have I witness such a collective sigh on the internet after the hype died down. I don't know anyone who ranks this game even in the top 3 Marios. The levels are poor and lack the depth and replayability you've come to expect from a mainline Mario. I haven't even replayed most of the levels as I stopped caring about collecting the moons relatively fast. The only standout level in the game was New Donk City. On top of that, Cappy was not the game changing mechanic people were originally touting.

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I'll give you credit. At least you make less crappy threads then ProtossRushX.

But anyhow, Overrated? I could see this being overrated to some. Personally I think it deserves the tens it's getting, but that's just me. Overhyped? Meh, kinda. It got more than the usual amount of hype. It's not possible for any game to live up to this amount of hype though, so when people go on nitpicking and saying the game is too bland or not, what they expected, this could've been a contributing factor. Going into the game relatively blind, I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of what it offered me as a gamer. Same goes for Breath of the Wild.

It is not my favorite Mario game in the series, but in a series with so many great games to chose from that is hardly a knock against it. OP does not like the Switch and says that he is selling it, so of course he will bash Nintendo whenever he gets the chance. Nothing to see here.

At a certain point we should really just disallow specific people from making threads.

If we do that, then SW will be nothing but a ghost town. Well it's already is but still,,,,

Exactly. These are the people that make this forum, fun. I congrat you OP, even though your threads are inferior to mine.

I don't really get into cutesy platformers all that much. I liked the old Mario's, Sonic and Ori, Cuphead recently. I have SMO and I can definitely see the quality in the game but I am of the mindset that Nintendo gets a lot leniency when it comes to reviews. Many of these so called professionals grew up with Nintendo and Nostalgia is one hell of a drug, folks.

If I see a thread I find interesting, I click it. If the thread isn't for me, I go somewhere else. Different folks for different threads.

Not ranking it in the top 3 Mario games is hardly a knock on the quality. The series is consistently highly-rated.

Oh yea, I bought that.

Can you tell me what the most over-rated Mario was before Odyssey?

paper mario

That would be Mario 64 on the Nintendo 64.

It's really fucking good. Not a 10 though.

Overrated Mario game? Look no further than Mario 3D World. People liked that crap. I also find Galaxy 2 overrated. Galaxy was fun and new and interesting and had a nice little story. Galaxy 2 was just a soulless expansion to a good game.

it's good, but never did I expect it would ever meet the hype it was getting, that's the kind of overreaction you get from people who haven't touched a Nintendo anything since the Wii was hot shit, still a must have if you have a Switch

I put it up there with Mario Galaxy 2 in how over-hyped it is

still a good game nonetheless

lol fucking internet who gives a flying **** about the internet

It’s good, but the galaxy series is much better.

So was Mario 3D Land for the Wii u

Nah. I found it to be a fantastic game myself and feel the 10/10 is justified.

Your version of the thread would have been phrased as a question and had a poll with every answer except the right one.

Overhyped means it flops after people actually play it. SMO is the third highest rated game of all time on Game Rankings and tied for third on Metacritic. Almost every review outlet gave it a 10/10 after playing and completing the game. A game that meets all expectations cannot be overhyped.

Overrated by 1 point. 9/10 for sure.

oh, I'm sorry, are you the single authority re-writing the dictionary?

It's not that bad it's at least 7, it was a very standard Mario game that didn't push itself too far out the box. I know it was atleast worth collecting 300 moons. I'd give it a 10 but it loses points for lack of challenge typical of a Mario game and extremely week bosses.

@davillain-: That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say Mario 64 is over-rated.

No replayability, and you haven't gone back to the earlier levels?

No wonder you don't like it - it sounds like you haven't played much of the game yet.

Most of the challenging content happens once you have beaten the story mode, and the new moons appear in every level.

I didn't rewrite the definition. I merely stated it. Would help to learn English if you're going to make comments like that.

I'm feeling generous, so I'll help you out (not sure if you can find it yourself):

to advertise or praise something more than it deserves in newspapers, on television, online, etc., in order to make people excited about it and want to buy, try it, invest in it, etc.:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/overhype

Mario deserved the 10/10 it got from the majority of reviewers because that score was arrived to after the reviewers played and completed the game. An overhyped game would fall short with reviewers.

Yet only Nintendo games get such treatment. Sonic doesn't and many other game series that used to be critically acclaimed are just irrelevant this day. Maybe, just maybe people genuinely love Mario games and think they are awesome and it has nothing to do with nostalgia? Just a thought.

i like it better than the galaxy games.

You win the Internet. Nintendo gets judged very harshly for things other companies get a pass for. Mario is something that core gamers and casual gamers like. Of course people hype it up because it's an iconic IP.

Nah.

So...have you actually played the game or only watched youtube videos?

@luxuryheart: Then why doesn’t Sonic get the same treatment?

I'm near 50 hours on my first play through, I've never been able to put that much time into a Mario game on the first run before. It has plenty of content. Try going for 800+ moons and the greatness of the game shines.

What part of my post said the reviewers did not genuinely love Nintendo games? Just because I get nostalgic when I watch High Plains Drifter doesn't mean I don't love the film or Unforgiven which was made 20 years later. But I understand that westerns start with a "point positive" if you will, when I watch them because I love this genre due to my childhood. And I won't lie about this existing within me. I will not pretend to be perfect; to be able to subtract me from anything I review.

Have nothing to do with nostalgia? Possible, but I don't buy it. Objectivity is impossible from human beings has long been my point here. Our loves and hates will always rear their view into anything under review. And those loves and hates are built up and solidified n us from our past experiences. Thats why this entertainment, like all entertainment is truly subjective to the individual.

@MonsieurX:

i beat the dang game. What is with this witch hunt?

Oh..........OH MY GOD!!!!! *fights back tears* I would like to thank the academy, the SW community and all those that post babybackballbagbullshit on SW!! THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

Yeah, probably. Still a great game.

Honestly, I agreed with you.

Before I got to the post-game of Odyssey I was fairly underwhelmed. The aesthetic of the game was as beautiful as always with Nintendo games, but I really felt disappointed because it wasn't the 64/Sunshine structure that I had been so excited for.

After beating the game my opinion completely flipped though. I really started digging into the worlds and collecting dozens of moons, and it just became almost mind-blowing to me how, despite there being so many of them in each level, all of the moons were very well-placed, and had a little bit of charm. The levels were literally packed to the brim with this content, and I've gotten more time, and love from them than I think I have in any Mario game past.

Sunshine will likely always be my favorite in the franchise just because nostalgia is a powerful influence, but Odyssey has had a profound impact on me, and I truly do think that it's a complete masterpiece.

I did not beat the game. I probably will never beat SMO. The only 3d one I ever beat was SMG. Don't you get it? We're not allowed to dissent from the accepted opinion of Mario. Human psychology doesn't even apply when it comes to Nintendo.

You'll hear shit like why doesn't Sonic get that treatment if nostalgia plays a part. Nevermind that nobody said the game is bad. Just that it gets a bit of a jump start from inability of human beings to detach from their loves. Obviously Nintendo has way more fans than Sega kids that grew up tp watch them turn to crap. Saying nostalgia played a part in NO WAY says the game isn't good. But people can only see the extremes of points, it seems. I'm no exception

SMG2 already beat Odyssey on that eight years ago, dude.

For a guy who preaches opinions and tastes all over the place, you sure have a hard time understanding why someone would like a game based on the quality of the game rather than nostalgia. Simply because you don't appreciate the game as much as they do you don't buy that they can appreciate the game so much without nostalgia being a factor? OK there buddy.

It's not as good as the Galaxy games but it's still great. Being 3rd best in the franchise isn't so bad.

I think you are selectively reading. At no point have I said it isn't a good game or that nostalgia playing a part means there is no value to an opinion. Like I said to TC, people only see the extremes. You are proving it.

Read that again: nostalgia PLAYING A PART. I never said it is all nostalgia.

And when did I say you said it wasn't a good game? I may be selectively reading, but you're reading things that literally aren't there. I also never said you implied nostalgia somehow invalidated an opinion. How did you even draw these conclusions?

I said for someone who constantly preaches the subjectivity of opinions, you have a hard time accepting and understanding people appreciating a game solely because of the qualities of that game and not because of some intrinsic feelings it triggers in them. Simply put, the reason people rate Odyssey so highly may simply be because they think the game is of top quality, nostalgia notwithstanding. It doesn't make their opinions any less subjective.

Nintendo games are also not the only iconic games that have been around for ages and still kicking. Sonic has been around for a minute and he doesn't get nostalgia points. Why is that? That's an argument you've been avoiding to answer for a while I noticed.

Yeah I agree. That is if we aren't kidding ourselves and saying Sunshine isn't the worst 3D Mario, because it probably always will be. No amount of nostalgia can deny that game was not nearly as polished as it needed to be. Atleast they tried to shake things up a bit, I give them credit for that.

Odyssey was a solid play, and I will go back and attempt to get all the moons later this year. I took my time, I tried to explore every part of each level I could before moving onto the next. I liked most of the worlds a lot. Overall it was pretty easy and didn't wow me as much as Galaxy or 64.

What other conclusion is there to come to if you keep telling me I can't see others like the game without nostalgia? As you said, "soley because of the qualities of that game".

I already made my case that I don't buy that completely. Human beings past loves and hates play a part in how they see things, psychologically. I don't believe they can detach from that. What else is there to argue? You can't prove me wrong and I can't prove you wrong. Its two people with differing opinions on human beings. This isn't even about SMO at this point. What more is there to say?

@cainetao11: More like you can’t prove nostalgia had anything to do with the scores because you’re too narrow-minded to think people could like the game simply because they think it’s very good.

As I said, that’s in complete contradiction to your philosophy but don’t let the facts fool you.

But you can't prove nostalgia did not. For some reason it seems you are butt hurt here .

Its the "God" argument and in no way a contradiction in my philosophy. You're seeming to be too low intelligence to get that and that normally isn't you from our past dialogues.

Nostalgia playing a part doesn't mean everyone isn't entitled to their opinion as I always champion. All I'm saying is the past is a part of how we formulate opinions. Thats as third grade as I can explain it to you.