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[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][ If you play NG2 like you played NGB, you'll get your ass kicked. D0013ER
Hah, too true.
blocking is definitely not as useful as it used to be. And counter attacks are nearly uselessSometimes this games feels like God of war with it's over the top finishing moves.
Finally! After all of my ranting and even starting a new file, I just got pissed and told myself that there was no way that I was going to go through all of that just to get back to where I have already gotten to. So, I loaded up my slot 1 file at the end of chapter 6 and finished Volf and the werewolves on my first go with only half a health bar, no ninpo and no grains of life.
I actually took Zeliard's advice and just focused on trying to evade more with the dash and time my attacks rather than blocking as much as I would while playing the original NG. And before I knew it, I got the cut scene after making getting some sweet hamburger meat revenge on those damn werewolves. God, finally, lol.
You are right, I have not played the whole game, but the issues that I pointed out are ones that I have encountered within the first 6 chapters. Therefore, I can comment on them from experience. It is nothing nearly every reviewer has not said themselves, lol. And again, I am not blaming the game for my being stuck with one save, half a health bar and no potions or ninpo. So, please, stop telling me that I am, alright? As I have said repeatedly in this thread, I am well aware that is my own fault, but it is a shame that the game is designed in such a way that you have to create multiple saves in order to insure that you do not get into such a dire situation in some of the more cheap and unforgiving parts of the game.ironcreed
Yes, this is what I am arguing and you keep missing my point. The point is that putting the warewolves after Volf is not "cheap and unforgiving". Volf himself is an insanely easy boss, possibly the easiest in the game. The warewolves coming out after him, plus Volf, constitute that entire boss encounter. So you're essentially going to a boss encounter with half a health bar and no potions, and blaming the game when you can't get through it. I'm sorry, but that's simply silly, and it is not a design issue. It's a player issue. This is especially true since you can backtrack to Murasama shops for almost any boss fight in the game in NG2.
As for your comments saying that if you play this game like NGB, you will get your ass handed to you....you are absolutely right. Probably part of my problem, actually, lol. When I said defense is not as emphasized as it was in the first one, this is essentially what I meant. In that you have to be on the offense a hell of a lot more due to more relentless enemies in greater numbers and in tighter corridors.ironcreed
Which is precisely why I said defense is more emphasized this time around. Defense =/= simply blocking. You have to move around and dodge considerably in NG2. If the enemy can't get a good pinpoint on you, they can't hit you. The reason you'll get your ass kicked if you play it like NGB is because in NGB you could just sit there holding block most of the time and you'd be okay against most enemies on regular difficulty. Now that the game forces you to actually move around along with blocking, that somehow means there's less emphasis on defense? It's the complete opposite.
Anyway, I still dig the game, but I can speak for the glaring flaws that I have in encountered in the first 6 chapters that I have played. And that is all I was doing. It is a good game, with superb and even more refined gameplay than the first, but it is not without some serious design issues and technical flaws. And I am far from the only one who has noticed. Just calling it as I see it.ironcreed
The biggest issues with this game are the technical issues and a few weaksauce bosses, though these are hardly game-breaking problems. On a pure gameplay level, NG2 is superior to NGB and any other game in the genre. I went through NGB twice right before NG2, and I can tell you that a lot of the things people are claiming that NGB did better than NG2, that it either did worse or the same. It's quite annoying and this is why I keep responding to people. I can appreciate different opinions, but some people have ridiculous standards. I felt this way after the bandwagon GTA4 hate train started rolling through as well. NG2 could've used another month or two in the oven for some polishing, but let's stop exaggerating about its defencies. The game does many things better than NGB, such as the whole offensive aspect of the game and yes, the level design (NG1/NGB was a lot of backtracking hell and half-baked adventuring, if you don't recall).
Any advice for the fifth test of valor? I'm having trouble deciding which is the best way to tackle this: kill off the rocket guys first or those fiend/robot hybrids. Though the robot bastards kind of command your attention in that they stay on your ass at all times. I mean they're literally humping my ninja leg here...D0013ER
I thought that one was surprisingly easy, to be honest. What I did was jump-dash around the perimeter and get rid of the rocket launching guys first. There aren't as many as you might think, and once they're done, it should be much easier to take out the small mechs. But definitely go after the rocket launchers first (as you should every time you see them anywhere).
If you guys don't know how to jump-cancel-dash-cancel-jump, like you could do in NGB, you HAVE to learn it. It's practically essential for defense in NG2, and it also lets you move a lot quicker in general if you're just trying to get to the next part, which is always nice.
for chapter 2 boss use the javelin.
If I buy NJS off xbla, will I enjoy it? or will the way I've got used to playing NJ2 = I die, lots?
Finally! After all of my ranting and even starting a new file, I just got pissed and told myself that there was no way that I was going to go through all of that just to get back to where I have already gotten to. So, I loaded up my slot 1 file at the end of chapter 6 and finished Volf and the werewolves on my first go with only half a health bar, no ninpo and no grains of life.
I actually took Zeliard's advice and just focused on trying to evade more with the dash and time my attacks rather than blocking as much as I would while playing the original NG. And before I knew it, I got the cut scene after making getting some sweet hamburger meat revenge on those damn werewolves. God, finally, lol.
ironcreed
See? :D Movement is much more important in NG2 than in NGB.
Chapter 7 is quite good, though most hate the boss. Just remember to block after you beat him. And throw incendiary shurikens at his head for good damage.
Chapter 8 and 9 feature the rocket-launching enemies that many hate. I personally didn't mind them, since I made sure to make them #1 priority in every fight. A good trick to learn for those guys is that they always shoot rockets in an arc. So if you simply run towards them while they're firing, they can't hit you because the rockets will always sail in an arc over you.
Chapters 10-14 are fantastic and probably the best in the game.
wow played it today and it really looks no better then Sigma.
Heavenly Sword blows this game away in graphics.
[QUOTE="ironcreed"]You are right, I have not played the whole game, but the issues that I pointed out are ones that I have encountered within the first 6 chapters. Therefore, I can comment on them from experience. It is nothing nearly every reviewer has not said themselves, lol. And again, I am not blaming the game for my being stuck with one save, half a health bar and no potions or ninpo. So, please, stop telling me that I am, alright? As I have said repeatedly in this thread, I am well aware that is my own fault, but it is a shame that the game is designed in such a way that you have to create multiple saves in order to insure that you do not get into such a dire situation in some of the more cheap and unforgiving parts of the game.Zeliard9
Yes, this is what I am arguing and you keep missing my point. The point is that putting the warewolves after Volf is not "cheap and unforgiving". Volf himself is an insanely easy boss, possibly the easiest in the game. The warewolves coming out after him, plus Volf, constitute that entire boss encounter. So you're essentially going to a boss encounter with half a health bar and no potions, and blaming the game when you can't get through it. I'm sorry, but that's simply silly, and it is not a design issue. It's a player issue. This is especially true since you can backtrack to Murasama shops for almost any boss fight in the game in NG2.
As for your comments saying that if you play this game like NGB, you will get your ass handed to you....you are absolutely right. Probably part of my problem, actually, lol. When I said defense is not as emphasized as it was in the first one, this is essentially what I meant. In that you have to be on the offense a hell of a lot more due to more relentless enemies in greater numbers and in tighter corridors.ironcreed
Which is precisely why I said defense is more emphasized this time around. Defense =/= simply blocking. You have to move around and dodge considerably in NG2. If the enemy can't get a good pinpoint on you, they can't hit you. The reason you'll get your ass kicked if you play it like NGB is because in NGB you could just sit there holding block most of the time and you'd be okay against most enemies on regular difficulty. Now that the game forces you to actually move around along with blocking, that somehow means there's less emphasis on defense? It's the complete opposite.
Anyway, I still dig the game, but I can speak for the glaring flaws that I have in encountered in the first 6 chapters that I have played. And that is all I was doing. It is a good game, with superb and even more refined gameplay than the first, but it is not without some serious design issues and technical flaws. And I am far from the only one who has noticed. Just calling it as I see it.ironcreed
The biggest issues with this game are the technical issues and a few weaksauce bosses, though these are hardly game-breaking problems. On a pure gameplay level, NG2 is superior to NGB and any other game in the genre. I went through NGB twice right before NG2, and I can tell you that a lot of the things people are claiming that NGB did better than NG2, that it either did worse or the same. It's quite annoying and this is why I keep responding to people. I can appreciate different opinions, but some people have ridiculous standards. I felt this way after the bandwagon GTA4 hate train started rolling through as well. NG2 could've used another month or two in the oven for some polishing, but let's stop exaggerating about its defencies. The game does many things better than NGB, such as the whole offensive aspect of the game and yes, the level design (NG1/NGB was a lot of backtracking hell and half-baked adventuring, if you don't recall).
Dude, you need to get off ng2's nuts. This is not a next gen game, I would go as far as to say the graphics suck. Nothing besides swordplay was improved. EVERYTHING but sword play is worse than ng1. You have been praising this game since before if it even came out, I was looking forward to the epic game sequel to ng1. This game has failed as a sequel, and should have been downloadable content to NGB. Last gen game, controller throwing bosses, cheap exploding arrows, and last gen graphics with a coat of vasoline.
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]You are right, I have not played the whole game, but the issues that I pointed out are ones that I have encountered within the first 6 chapters. Therefore, I can comment on them from experience. It is nothing nearly every reviewer has not said themselves, lol. And again, I am not blaming the game for my being stuck with one save, half a health bar and no potions or ninpo. So, please, stop telling me that I am, alright? As I have said repeatedly in this thread, I am well aware that is my own fault, but it is a shame that the game is designed in such a way that you have to create multiple saves in order to insure that you do not get into such a dire situation in some of the more cheap and unforgiving parts of the game.lolkie_81
Yes, this is what I am arguing and you keep missing my point. The point is that putting the warewolves after Volf is not "cheap and unforgiving". Volf himself is an insanely easy boss, possibly the easiest in the game. The warewolves coming out after him, plus Volf, constitute that entire boss encounter. So you're essentially going to a boss encounter with half a health bar and no potions, and blaming the game when you can't get through it. I'm sorry, but that's simply silly, and it is not a design issue. It's a player issue. This is especially true since you can backtrack to Murasama shops for almost any boss fight in the game in NG2.
As for your comments saying that if you play this game like NGB, you will get your ass handed to you....you are absolutely right. Probably part of my problem, actually, lol. When I said defense is not as emphasized as it was in the first one, this is essentially what I meant. In that you have to be on the offense a hell of a lot more due to more relentless enemies in greater numbers and in tighter corridors.ironcreed
Which is precisely why I said defense is more emphasized this time around. Defense =/= simply blocking. You have to move around and dodge considerably in NG2. If the enemy can't get a good pinpoint on you, they can't hit you. The reason you'll get your ass kicked if you play it like NGB is because in NGB you could just sit there holding block most of the time and you'd be okay against most enemies on regular difficulty. Now that the game forces you to actually move around along with blocking, that somehow means there's less emphasis on defense? It's the complete opposite.
Anyway, I still dig the game, but I can speak for the glaring flaws that I have in encountered in the first 6 chapters that I have played. And that is all I was doing. It is a good game, with superb and even more refined gameplay than the first, but it is not without some serious design issues and technical flaws. And I am far from the only one who has noticed. Just calling it as I see it.ironcreed
The biggest issues with this game are the technical issues and a few weaksauce bosses, though these are hardly game-breaking problems. On a pure gameplay level, NG2 is superior to NGB and any other game in the genre. I went through NGB twice right before NG2, and I can tell you that a lot of the things people are claiming that NGB did better than NG2, that it either did worse or the same. It's quite annoying and this is why I keep responding to people. I can appreciate different opinions, but some people have ridiculous standards. I felt this way after the bandwagon GTA4 hate train started rolling through as well. NG2 could've used another month or two in the oven for some polishing, but let's stop exaggerating about its defencies. The game does many things better than NGB, such as the whole offensive aspect of the game and yes, the level design (NG1/NGB was a lot of backtracking hell and half-baked adventuring, if you don't recall).
Dude, you need to get off ng2's nuts. This is not a next gen game, I would go as far as to say the graphics suck. Nothing besides swordplay was improved. EVERYTHING but sword play is worse than ng1. You have been praising this game since before if it even came out, I was looking forward to the epic game sequel to ng1. This game has failed as a sequel, and should have been downloadable content to NGB. Last gen game, controller throwing bosses, cheap exploding arrows, and last gen graphics with a coat of vasoline.
If you're gonna reply, put forth an actual argument or don't waste anyone's time. You didn't retort a single thing I wrote, but some people are just poor posters, so I forgive you.
[QUOTE="ironcreed"]You are right, I have not played the whole game, but the issues that I pointed out are ones that I have encountered within the first 6 chapters. Therefore, I can comment on them from experience. It is nothing nearly every reviewer has not said themselves, lol. And again, I am not blaming the game for my being stuck with one save, half a health bar and no potions or ninpo. So, please, stop telling me that I am, alright? As I have said repeatedly in this thread, I am well aware that is my own fault, but it is a shame that the game is designed in such a way that you have to create multiple saves in order to insure that you do not get into such a dire situation in some of the more cheap and unforgiving parts of the game.Zeliard9
Yes, this is what I am arguing and you keep missing my point. The point is that putting the warewolves after Volf is not "cheap and unforgiving". Volf himself is an insanely easy boss, possibly the easiest in the game. The warewolves coming out after him, plus Volf, constitute that entire boss encounter. So you're essentially going to a boss encounter with half a health bar and no potions, and blaming the game when you can't get through it. I'm sorry, but that's simply silly, and it is not a design issue. It's a player issue. This is especially true since you can backtrack to Murasama shops for almost any boss fight in the game in NG2.
As for your comments saying that if you play this game like NGB, you will get your ass handed to you....you are absolutely right. Probably part of my problem, actually, lol. When I said defense is not as emphasized as it was in the first one, this is essentially what I meant. In that you have to be on the offense a hell of a lot more due to more relentless enemies in greater numbers and in tighter corridors.ironcreed
Which is precisely why I said defense is more emphasized this time around. Defense =/= simply blocking. You have to move around and dodge considerably in NG2. If the enemy can't get a good pinpoint on you, they can't hit you. The reason you'll get your ass kicked if you play it like NGB is because in NGB you could just sit there holding block most of the time and you'd be okay against most enemies on regular difficulty. Now that the game forces you to actually move around along with blocking, that somehow means there's less emphasis on defense? It's the complete opposite.
Anyway, I still dig the game, but I can speak for the glaring flaws that I have in encountered in the first 6 chapters that I have played. And that is all I was doing. It is a good game, with superb and even more refined gameplay than the first, but it is not without some serious design issues and technical flaws. And I am far from the only one who has noticed. Just calling it as I see it.ironcreed
The biggest issues with this game are the technical issues and a few weaksauce bosses, though these are hardly game-breaking problems. On a pure gameplay level, NG2 is superior to NGB and any other game in the genre. I went through NGB twice right before NG2, and I can tell you that a lotof the things people are claiming that NGB did better than NG2, that it either did worse or the same. It's quite annoying and this is why I keep responding to people. I can appreciate different opinions, but some people have ridiculous standards. I felt this way after the bandwagon GTA4 hate train started rolling through as well. NG2 could've used another month or two in the oven for some polishing, but let's stop exaggerating about its defencies. The game does many things better than NGB, such as the whole offensive aspect of the game and yes, the level design (NG1/NGB was a lot of backtracking hell and half-baked adventuring, if you don't recall).
Again, you keep trying to tell me that I am blaming the game for the point I got stuck at, and as I have said about 5 times already, I am not blaming the game. I am well aware of why I got stuck and realize that it was because I kept overwiritng my slot 1 save and never made any other manual saves. So, I really would appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me that I am blaming the game, when all I did, in addition to stating my situation, is address some of the issues that I have encountered thus far in my time with the game. Issues that about 90% of all the reviews have stated themselves. Therefore, I think it is not out of place that I mention what is the obvious to most, despite the fact that it is indeed a "good" game.
But anyway, from a strictly gameplay perspective, I have stated numerous times already that I do think it is superior to the first one, but aside from that fact, it has considerably less polish and more technical flaws than the first one. This is not just my opinion, nearly every review has stated it as such. Look, no matter how great the gameplay is, and it is indeed great, you cannot just tell everybody to ignore the flaws of the game as if they do not exist....because they do. And if every other game is judged based on all of it's pros and cons, NG2 should not be immune just because the gameplay is great. You have to weigh everything when judging a game, the good and bad....that is if you are being fair and accurate.
Also, just because you blazed through chapter 6 and went through the whole boss fight and subsequent mass werewolf encounter without getting touched, it does not mean that everyone else should have no problem with it. Yes, Volf was easy, as I also stated many times. I beat him with the lunar without getting touched most of the time by just dodging his rush and pelting him with XXXX, lol. It was afterwards that was hard with nearly no health, no ninpo and no grains of life against the werewolves that was the problem, as it IS NOT easy to blaze through that without a scratch for most.
Again, just because you are apparently some master ninja, don't assume that everyone else just has no excuse for encountering problems or running in to difficulty. As for about 90% or more of the people who play this game or indeed, the first one as well....it will NOT be an easy affair. I beat the first one, which was extremely frustrating, and in my opinion, this game felt harder once I got to chapter 6, but that is just me. Just because it is "weaksauce" for you, does not mean that it will not seem harder for others. Sorry if you have a problem with that, man. I respect you and your opinion, but please do not act as if I have to accept yours and have no excuses just because I am not as great as you are, lol.
[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Finally! After all of my ranting and even starting a new file, I just got pissed and told myself that there was no way that I was going to go through all of that just to get back to where I have already gotten to. So, I loaded up my slot 1 file at the end of chapter 6 and finished Volf and the werewolves on my first go with only half a health bar, no ninpo and no grains of life.
I actually took Zeliard's advice and just focused on trying to evade more with the dash and time my attacks rather than blocking as much as I would while playing the original NG. And before I knew it, I got the cut scene after making getting some sweet hamburger meat revenge on those damn werewolves. God, finally, lol.
Zeliard9
See? :D Movement is much more important in NG2 than in NGB.
Chapter 7 is quite good, though most hate the boss. Just remember to block after you beat him. And throw incendiary shurikens at his head for good damage.
Chapter 8 and 9 feature the rocket-launching enemies that many hate. I personally didn't mind them, since I made sure to make them #1 priority in every fight. A good trick to learn for those guys is that they always shoot rockets in an arc. So if you simply run towards them while they're firing, they can't hit you because the rockets will always sail in an arc over you.
Chapters 10-14 are fantastic and probably the best in the game.
Yes, you were absolutely right with using evade more. Thanks for the tips there. And I am sure that I will enjoy the rest of the game and I am also sure that I am going to be pissed off quite a bit through the rest of it as well, lol. It is a good game, but my statements in regards to the flaws that I have picked up on stand when judging the game as whole....just as the reviewers did. It is what it is....a flawed gem.
Again, you keep trying to tell me that I am blaming the game for the point I got stuck at, and as I have said about 5 times already, I am not blaming the game. I am well aware of why I got stuck and realize that it was because I kept overwiritng my slot 1 save and never made any other manual saves. So, I really would appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me that I am blaming the game, when all I did, in addition to stating my situation, is address some of the issues that I have encountered thus far in my time with the game. Issues that about 90% of all the reviews have stated themselves. Therefore, I think it is not out of place that I mention what is the obvious to most, despite the fact that it is indeed a "good" game.ironcreed
You keep calling the fact that you were at a boss with no health and no potions a design issue with the game. How is that not blaming the game?
But anyway, from a strictly gameplay perspective, I have stated numerous times already that I do think it is superior to the first one, but aside from that fact, it has considerably less polish and more technical flaws than the first one. This is not just my opinion, nearly every review has stated it as such. Look, no matter how great the gameplay is, and it is indeed great, you cannot just tell everybody to ignore the flaws of the game as if they do not exist....because they do. And if every other game is judged based on all of it's pros and cons, NG2 should not be immune just because the gameplay is great. You have to weigh everything when judging a game, the good and bad....that is if you are being fair and accurate.ironcreed
I agree and I have already said there are technical issues with the game. Those are issues, and they are annoying, but they are not game-breaking. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing people trying to pretend that NG2 has gameplay problems that NGB never had. And also with misconstruing the styl e of play you need in NG2, which is fast and constant movement. You yourself said you took my advice and then beat those warewolves easily. Doesn't that prove I was right, if nothing else?
Also, just because you blazed through chapter 6 and went through the whole boss fight and subsequent mass werewolf encounter without getting touched, it does not mean that everyone else should have no problem with it. Yes, Volf was easy, as I also stated many times. I beat him with the lunar without getting touched most of the time by just dodging his rush and pelting him with XXXX, lol. It was afterwards that was hard with nearly no health, no ninpo and no grains of life against the werewolves that was the problem, as it IS NOT easy to blaze through that without a scratch for most.ironcreed
This is once again not what I was saying. I was simply saying that the pack of warewolves going after you after you beat Volf is a part of that entire boss encounter. It's not a cheap add-on. And I was saying that's even moreso since Volf himself is quite easy in comparison to other bosses, so forcing you to fight warewolves afterwards isn't a big deal unless, of course, you have half a health bar before Volf. Which would, to fully complete this circle of logic, be mainly your fault.
Again, just because you are apparently some master ninja, don't assume that everyone else just has no excuse for encountering problems or running in to difficulty. As for about 90% or more of the people who play this game or indeed, the first one as well....it will NOT be an easy affair. I beat the first one, which was extremely frustrating, and in my opinion, this game felt harder once I got to chapter 6, but that is jsut me. Just because it is "weaksauce" for you, does not mean that it will not seem harder for others. Sorry if you have a problem with that, man. I respect you and your opinion, but please do not act as if I have to accept yours and have no excuses just because I am not as great as you are, lol.ironcreed
Man, you keep misconstruing my points. I'm hardly trying to sound like a master ninja here, I'm just saying things that are mostly common sense. Hell, the fact that I got through Warrior without much of an issue should mean that it really isn't a big deal, since I ain't that great.
And I used "weaksauce" to refer to the bosses as an insult, because some simply aren't that great. Not that they're easy. Which some of them are, anyway.
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]Finally! After all of my ranting and even starting a new file, I just got pissed and told myself that there was no way that I was going to go through all of that just to get back to where I have already gotten to. So, I loaded up my slot 1 file at the end of chapter 6 and finished Volf and the werewolves on my first go with only half a health bar, no ninpo and no grains of life.
I actually took Zeliard's advice and just focused on trying to evade more with the dash and time my attacks rather than blocking as much as I would while playing the original NG. And before I knew it, I got the cut scene after making getting some sweet hamburger meat revenge on those damn werewolves. God, finally, lol.
ironcreed
See? :D Movement is much more important in NG2 than in NGB.
Chapter 7 is quite good, though most hate the boss. Just remember to block after you beat him. And throw incendiary shurikens at his head for good damage.
Chapter 8 and 9 feature the rocket-launching enemies that many hate. I personally didn't mind them, since I made sure to make them #1 priority in every fight. A good trick to learn for those guys is that they always shoot rockets in an arc. So if you simply run towards them while they're firing, they can't hit you because the rockets will always sail in an arc over you.
Chapters 10-14 are fantastic and probably the best in the game.
Yes, you were absolutely right with using evade more. Thanks for the tips there. And I am sure that I will enjoy the rest of the game and I am also sure that I am going to be pissed off quite a bit through the rest of it as well, lol. It is a good game, but my statements in regards to the flaws that I have picked up on stand when judging the game as whole....just as the reviewers did. It is what it is....a flawed gem.
Yes it is, Some times I love it, sometimes I throw my controller into the wall. Thats why this game sucks, the unbalanced diffcultly. I had hell with the level 9 boss. Then breezed tru, to chapter 12 with ease. Makes no sense . Huge disappointment for me this year, I would rate this game with uncharted. I was expecting more.
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]Dude, you need to get off ng2's nuts. This is not a next gen game, I would go as far as to say the graphics suck. Nothing besides swordplay was improved. EVERYTHING but sword play is worse than ng1. You have been praising this game since before if it even came out, I was looking forward to the epic game sequel to ng1. This game has failed as a sequel, and should have been downloadable content to NGB. Last gen game, controller throwing bosses, cheap exploding arrows, and last gen graphics with a coat of vasoline.
lolkie_81
If you're gonna reply, put forth an actual argument or don't waste anyone's time. You didn't retort a single thing I wrote, but some people are just poor posters, so I forgive you.
What argument do I need to make? You have played the game, as have I. You are just choosing to ingore the problems that I stated. Opinions are opinions, so That is mine. I just feel you blindly defend this game, no matter what the issue. Sorry, I say it, like I see it.
Look at ironcreed. He and I are obviously disagreeing, but we're doing so respectfully and with some intelligence. What you're doing is no better than trolling, and probably worse, since you're both trying to act like you're above it and trying to act like you're making some actual point.
If you feel I'm blindly defend the game, then why don't you respond to the points I'm making, points which I also back up? You're not "blindly defending" anything when you back up everything you say. But you wouldn't know anything about that.
I've already admitted the game has flaws, and what I'm doing is arguing against what I strongly feel aren't flaws, which is part of the point of a discussion.
[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Again, you keep trying to tell me that I am blaming the game for the point I got stuck at, and as I have said about 5 times already, I am not blaming the game. I am well aware of why I got stuck and realize that it was because I kept overwiritng my slot 1 save and never made any other manual saves. So, I really would appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me that I am blaming the game, when all I did, in addition to stating my situation, is address some of the issues that I have encountered thus far in my time with the game. Issues that about 90% of all the reviews have stated themselves. Therefore, I think it is not out of place that I mention what is the obvious to most, despite the fact that it is indeed a "good" game.Zeliard9
You keep calling the fact that you were at a boss with no health and no potions a design issue with the game. How is that not blaming the game?
But anyway, from a strictly gameplay perspective, I have stated numerous times already that I do think it is superior to the first one, but aside from that fact, it has considerably less polish and more technical flaws than the first one. This is not just my opinion, nearly every review has stated it as such. Look, no matter how great the gameplay is, and it is indeed great, you cannot just tell everybody to ignore the flaws of the game as if they do not exist....because they do. And if every other game is judged based on all of it's pros and cons, NG2 should not be immune just because the gameplay is great. You have to weigh everything when judging a game, the good and bad....that is if you are being fair and accurate.ironcreed
I agree and I have already said there are technical issues with the game. Those are issues, and they are annoying, but they are not game-breaking. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing people trying to pretend that NG2 has gameplay problems that NGB never had. And also with misconstruing the styl e of play you need in NG2, which is fast and constant movement. You yourself said you took my advice and then beat those warewolves easily. Doesn't that prove I was right, if nothing else?
Also, just because you blazed through chapter 6 and went through the whole boss fight and subsequent mass werewolf encounter without getting touched, it does not mean that everyone else should have no problem with it. Yes, Volf was easy, as I also stated many times. I beat him with the lunar without getting touched most of the time by just dodging his rush and pelting him with XXXX, lol. It was afterwards that was hard with nearly no health, no ninpo and no grains of life against the werewolves that was the problem, as it IS NOT easy to blaze through that without a scratch for most.ironcreed
This is once again not what I was saying. I was simply saying that the pack of warewolves going after you after you beat Volf is a part of that entire boss encounter. It's not a cheap add-on. And I was saying that's even moreso since Volf himself is quite easy in comparison to other bosses, so forcing you to fight warewolves afterwards isn't a big deal unless, of course, you have half a health bar before Volf. Which would, to fully complete this circle of logic, be mainly your fault.
Again, just because you are apparently some master ninja, don't assume that everyone else just has no excuse for encountering problems or running in to difficulty. As for about 90% or more of the people who play this game or indeed, the first one as well....it will NOT be an easy affair. I beat the first one, which was extremely frustrating, and in my opinion, this game felt harder once I got to chapter 6, but that is just me. Just because it is "weaksauce" for you, does not mean that it will not seem harder for others. Sorry if you have a problem with that, man. I respect you and your opinion, but please do not act as if I have to accept yours and have no excuses just because I am not as great as you are, lol.ironcreed
Man, you keep misconstruing my points. I'm hardly trying to sound like a master ninja here, I'm just saying things that are mostly common sense. Hell, the fact that I got through Warrior without much of an issue should mean that it really isn't a big deal, since I ain't that great.
And I used "weaksauce" to refer to the bosses as an insult, because some simply aren't that great. Not that they're easy. Which some of them are, anyway.
LOL, I never blamed the game. I said numerous times that it was my fault that I never made any more than one save. But, I did say that it is unfortunate that it was not designed in such away that you did not have to make multiple save files. You said it was silly for me to say that earlier, but I think it is silly that you have to make multiple saves in order to insure you do not make it harder than what is already an insanely hard game. It is just not necessary beyond how difficult the game already is, and in that respect, that is indeed a design flaw in my opinion. But, I am still not blaming the game in general.
Anyway, it is over now, and I finally got through it. And I do again thank you for the tips, my friend. It did help just making a small adjustment in how I was approaching the situation. Hopefully it will help in later stages by concentrating on using evade more and timing my shots with evade together. I had more of a straight forward, block more than evade approach, using basic combos and spamming flying swallow and izuna drops a lot. Using evade more than block, and taking my time instead of just heading straight into a fight makes a difference, I can tell.
LOL, I never blamed the game. I said numerous times that it was my fault that I never made any more than one save. But, I did say that it is unfortunate that it was not designed in such away that you did not have to make multiple save files. You said it was silly for me to say that earlier, but I think it is silly that you have to make multiple saves in order to insure you do not make it harder than what is already an insanely hard game. It is just not necessary beyond how difficult the game already is, and in that respect, that is indeed a design flaw in my opinion. But, I am still not blaming the game in general.
Anyway, it is over now, and I finally got through it. And I do again thank you for the tips, my friend. It did help just making a small adjustment in how I was approaching the situation. Hopefully it will help in later stages by concentrating on using evade more and timing my shots with evade together. I had more of a straight forward, block more than evade approach, using basic combos and spamming flying swallow and izuna drops a lot. Using evade more than block, and taking my time instead of just heading straight into a fight makes a difference, I can tell.
ironcreed
You learn how to dash-cancel-jump-cancel-dash-cancel-jump yet? Basically you jump forward, then dash as soon as you land from the jump, then jump as soon as you finish the dash, then dash as soon as you land from the jump, and keep it going like that. Or you can start it off with a dash. You should be able to do them consecutively since they cancel each other out.
LEARN IT. Practice it. Use it. Everyone in this thread who reads this has to learn how to do that. I'd probably find some parts of NG2 annoying too if they didn't transfer the ability to do that from NGB, because it's especially helpful in NG2 when it comes to dodging things, especially projectiles.
[QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]Dude, you need to get off ng2's nuts. This is not a next gen game, I would go as far as to say the graphics suck. Nothing besides swordplay was improved. EVERYTHING but sword play is worse than ng1. You have been praising this game since before if it even came out, I was looking forward to the epic game sequel to ng1. This game has failed as a sequel, and should have been downloadable content to NGB. Last gen game, controller throwing bosses, cheap exploding arrows, and last gen graphics with a coat of vasoline.
Zeliard9
If you're gonna reply, put forth an actual argument or don't waste anyone's time. You didn't retort a single thing I wrote, but some people are just poor posters, so I forgive you.
What argument do I need to make? You have played the game, as have I. You are just choosing to ingore the problems that I stated. Opinions are opinions, so That is mine. I just feel you blindly defend this game, no matter what the issue. Sorry, I say it, like I see it.
Look at ironcreed. He and I are obviously disagreeing, but we're doing so respectfully and with some intelligence. What you're doing is no better than trolling, and probably worse, since you're both trying to act like you're above it and trying to act like you're making some actual point.
If you feel I'm blindly defend the game, then why don't you respond to the points I'm making, points which I also back up? You're not "blindly defending" anything when you back up everything you say. But you wouldn't know anything about that.
I've already admitted the game has flaws, and what I'm doing is arguing against what I strongly feel aren't flaws, which is part of the point of a discussion.
I will quickly back up all my points, READ ALMOST ALL THE REVIEWS! They pretty much said how it is. I dont feel like having a long drawn out argument with you. I am playing ng2, and have all the same complaints as ALMOST EVEY ONE else. Yes the combat is cool, everything else is worse than NG1. What do I need to back up? Why its worst than ng1? Maybe because when I played ng1, I replayed it many times, on harder settings, unlocked everything there was to unlock. Just so I could play the game more. NG2, I will just finish it on warrior and maybe go back tru on the easy level. Im stating my take on the game, I dont want to "discus" the game with a self proclaimed master ninja, that thinks everyone is full of **it, because everything is easy for him. LOL at Im trolling because I dont hold the game in high reguard. Thats how blinded you are. any one who disagrees is trolling. LOL!!!!
[QUOTE="ironcreed"]LOL, I never blamed the game. I said numerous times that it was my fault that I never made any more than one save. But, I did say that it is unfortunate that it was not designed in such away that you did not have to make multiple save files. You said it was silly for me to say that earlier, but I think it is silly that you have to make multiple saves in order to insure you do not make it harder than what is already an insanely hard game. It is just not necessary beyond how difficult the game already is, and in that respect, that is indeed a design flaw in my opinion. But, I am still not blaming the game in general.
Anyway, it is over now, and I finally got through it. And I do again thank you for the tips, my friend. It did help just making a small adjustment in how I was approaching the situation. Hopefully it will help in later stages by concentrating on using evade more and timing my shots with evade together. I had more of a straight forward, block more than evade approach, using basic combos and spamming flying swallow and izuna drops a lot. Using evade more than block, and taking my time instead of just heading straight into a fight makes a difference, I can tell.
Zeliard9
You learn how to dash-cancel-jump-cancel-dash-cancel-jump yet? Basically you jump forward, then dash as soon as you land from the jump, then jump as soon as you finish the dash, then dash as soon as you land from the jump, and keep it going like that. Or you can start it off with a dash. You should be able to do them consecutively since they cancel each other out.
LEARN IT. Practice it. Use it. Everyone in this thread who reads this has to learn how to do that. I'd probably find some parts of NG2 annoying too if they didn't transfer the ability to do that from NGB, because it's especially helpful in NG2 when it comes to dodging things, especially projectiles.
No, but I am damn sure going to learn it, if it helps. You need all of the tricks you can get in this game. I will practice it tomorrow when I hit chapter 7. Thanks, man.
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]Dude, you need to get off ng2's nuts. This is not a next gen game, I would go as far as to say the graphics suck. Nothing besides swordplay was improved. EVERYTHING but sword play is worse than ng1. You have been praising this game since before if it even came out, I was looking forward to the epic game sequel to ng1. This game has failed as a sequel, and should have been downloadable content to NGB. Last gen game, controller throwing bosses, cheap exploding arrows, and last gen graphics with a coat of vasoline.
lolkie_81
If you're gonna reply, put forth an actual argument or don't waste anyone's time. You didn't retort a single thing I wrote, but some people are just poor posters, so I forgive you.
What argument do I need to make? You have played the game, as have I. You are just choosing to ingore the problems that I stated. Opinions are opinions, so That is mine. I just feel you blindly defend this game, no matter what the issue. Sorry, I say it, like I see it.
Look at ironcreed. He and I are obviously disagreeing, but we're doing so respectfully and with some intelligence. What you're doing is no better than trolling, and probably worse, since you're both trying to act like you're above it and trying to act like you're making some actual point.
If you feel I'm blindly defend the game, then why don't you respond to the points I'm making, points which I also back up? You're not "blindly defending" anything when you back up everything you say. But you wouldn't know anything about that.
I've already admitted the game has flaws, and what I'm doing is arguing against what I strongly feel aren't flaws, which is part of the point of a discussion.
I will quickly back up all my points, READ ALMOST ALL THE REVIEWS! They pretty much said how it is. I dont feel like having a long drawn out argument with you. I am playing ng2, and have all the same complaints as ALMOST EVEY ONE else. Yes the combat is cool, everything else is worse than NG1. What do I need to back up? Why its worst than ng1? Maybe because when I played ng1, I replayed it many times, on harder settings, unlocked everything there was to unlock. Just so I could play the game more. NG2, I will just finish it on warrior and maybe go back tru on the easy level. Im stating my take on the game, I dont want to "discus" the game with a self proclaimed master ninja, that thinks everyone is full of **it, because everything is easy for him. LOL at Im trolling because I dont hold the game in high reguard. Thats how blinded you are. any one who disagrees is trolling. LOL!!!!
You realize that several of the reviews contradict each other? For one, someone wrote an entire article in defense of NG2's camera. IGN said there's far less platforming in the game (which is true). 1UP said there's more platforming, which is absurdly untrue. Some of the reviews claim the difficulty can get cheap, while others said the difficulty curve is balanced out. For every negative you can find in any review, chances are another review will say the complete opposite.
This is why you should try and form your own opinion on things rather than rely on the thoughts of others.
As for the trolling, if someone writes a post where he lays out his opinions in detail, and you respond simply with "get off the game's nuts", then yeah that's a form of trolling. lolololol. I chalk it up to the average age around here.
As absurdly awesome as, "Tactical Ninja Teams" are, part of me wants to go back and replay the Lycanthrope Castle again, especially the latter part where you're hauling ass up the tower to face Volf.
I was kind of on-the-fence as to whether I liked 2 better than the original, but by that point the game pretty much won me over.
[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][ If you play NG2 like you played NGB, you'll get your ass kicked. Shinobishyguy
Hah, too true.
blocking is definitely not as useful as it used to be. And counter attacks are nearly uselessSometimes this games feels like God of war with it's over the top finishing moves.
You shouldn't play this game like it's NGB. This game require more of evading rather than blocking.
As absurdly awesome as, "Tactical Ninja Teams" are, part of me wants to go back and replay the Lycanthrope Castle again, especially the latter part where you're hauling ass up the tower to face Volf.
I was kind of on-the-fence as to whether I liked 2 better than the original, but by that point the game pretty much won me over.
D0013ER
I can't believe that one of 1UP's criticisms is that the game takes itself too seriously. If there was ever a game that clearly does not take itself seriously, it's NG2. Just look at Volf alone, for Christ's sake.
In one of the chapters, I think the airship one, someone calls out on the intercom "WE HAVE A CLASS A NINJA ALERT. REPEAT, CLASS A NINJA ALERT!"
I laughed when I heard that. The game's goofy and it's not trying to be anything but.
[QUOTE="D0013ER"]As absurdly awesome as, "Tactical Ninja Teams" are, part of me wants to go back and replay the Lycanthrope Castle again, especially the latter part where you're hauling ass up the tower to face Volf.
I was kind of on-the-fence as to whether I liked 2 better than the original, but by that point the game pretty much won me over.
Zeliard9
I can't believe that one of 1UP's criticisms is that the game takes itself too seriously. If there was ever a game that clearly does not take itself seriously, it's NG2. Just look at Volf alone, for Christ's sake.
In one of the chapters, I think the airship one, someone calls out on the intercom "WE HAVE A CLASS A NINJA ALERT. REPEAT, CLASS A NINJA ALERT!"
I laughed when I heard that. The game's goofy and it's not trying to be anything but.
"All units be advised: She's hot!"
For the love of god, this is my own opinion. I only said read "most" of the reviews because alot of them have the same points. Bad Camera, cheap, crappy enviroments and **itty story. OK heres the the point. For me, I loved Ng,NGB,and NGS, NG2 just is not doing it for me. There's nothing else to explain, we play games to enjoy them. NG2 is half fun, half throw your controller at the wall. There are more people that would agree with me, then you. Not that there is anything wrong with you loving this game, I wished I loved it. I just had surgery and have nothing else to do, I really wanted this game to be great and replayable.
lolkie_81
Look, you're free to hate the game. It's like I've said, my issue is with people saying that NG2 is doing some things worse than NGB that it actually does the same or better. I played NGB literally right before I got NG2, so I have a strong perspective on the whole thing (NGB is also one of my favorite games ever). I think people look back with rose-tinted glasses at past games far too often, at the expense of current games.
That's probably my biggest gaming pet peeve, this idea that these past games are untouchable clas.sics that their current sequels can't match for no particular reason except that they're "next-gen" sequels so they have to "next-genify" every single aspect of the previous game or else it's a failure (once again, this also refers to the lame GTA4 backlash).
[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]For the love of god, this is my own opinion. I only said read "most" of the reviews because alot of them have the same points. Bad Camera, cheap, crappy enviroments and **itty story. OK heres the the point. For me, I loved Ng,NGB,and NGS, NG2 just is not doing it for me. There's nothing else to explain, we play games to enjoy them. NG2 is half fun, half throw your controller at the wall. There are more people that would agree with me, then you. Not that there is anything wrong with you loving this game, I wished I loved it. I just had surgery and have nothing else to do, I really wanted this game to be great and replayable.
Zeliard9
Look, you're free to hate the game. It's like I've said, my issue is with people saying that NG2 is doing some things worse than NGB that it actually does the same or better. I played NGB literally right before I got NG2, so I have a strong perspective on the whole thing (NGB is also one of my favorite games ever). I think people look back with rose-tinted glasses at past games far too often, at the expense of current games.
That's probably my biggest gaming pet peeve, this idea that these past games are untouchable clas.sics that their current sequels can't match for no particular reason except that they're "next-gen" sequels so they have to "next-genify" every single aspect of the previous game or else it's a failure (once again, this also refers to the lame GTA4 backlash).
I also went back and played black. It was better for its "time". For this "time" ng2 dosent seem to cut it. Its a fun game but just average. Ng1 was new and fresh, ng2 has all been done before but better, except combat. You have to admit the graphics are a disapointment, They really dont look good, and have screen tearing and slowdowns. Some of the bosses would be super hard and you would continue, and some how beat him the next time with out breaking a sweat. Tell me you didnt experiance that. Were the skulls not poorly hidden? Does it not feel like you are stuck on a line going forward with blocked from going anywhere else, even to look for skills or powerups? Really what is improved besides some weapons and combos? Is "some" of the game not so frustrating that it takes the fun away?
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]For the love of god, this is my own opinion. I only said read "most" of the reviews because alot of them have the same points. Bad Camera, cheap, crappy enviroments and **itty story. OK heres the the point. For me, I loved Ng,NGB,and NGS, NG2 just is not doing it for me. There's nothing else to explain, we play games to enjoy them. NG2 is half fun, half throw your controller at the wall. There are more people that would agree with me, then you. Not that there is anything wrong with you loving this game, I wished I loved it. I just had surgery and have nothing else to do, I really wanted this game to be great and replayable.
lolkie_81
Look, you're free to hate the game. It's like I've said, my issue is with people saying that NG2 is doing some things worse than NGB that it actually does the same or better. I played NGB literally right before I got NG2, so I have a strong perspective on the whole thing (NGB is also one of my favorite games ever). I think people look back with rose-tinted glasses at past games far too often, at the expense of current games.
That's probably my biggest gaming pet peeve, this idea that these past games are untouchable clas.sics that their current sequels can't match for no particular reason except that they're "next-gen" sequels so they have to "next-genify" every single aspect of the previous game or else it's a failure (once again, this also refers to the lame GTA4 backlash).
I also went back and played black. It was better for its "time". For this "time" ng2 dosent seem to cut it. Its a fun game but just average. Ng1 was new and fresh, ng2 has all been done before but better, except combat. You have to admit the graphics are a disapointment, They really dont look good, and have screen tearing and slowdowns. Some of the bosses would be super hard and you would continue, and some how beat him the next time with out breaking a sweat. Tell me you didnt experiance that. Were the skulls not poorly hidden? Does it not feel like you are stuck on a line going forward with blocked from going anywhere else, even to look for skills or powerups? Really what is improved besides some weapons and combos? Is "some" of the game not so frustrating that it takes the fun away?
If you smack a boss down after a continue, chances are more likely it was because you're more familiar with him and have developed a better strat. Will he do moves he's never done at certain times, and not others? Yes. But this is another one of those things that's a Ninja Gaiden mainstay, and it happens in other games of the genre too. That big Bone Dragon in NGB? I never saw his devastating biting attack until the 4th time I faced him.
As far as the linearity, I actually like that in a game of this sort (and my favorite genre is the sandbox genre). The Tairon hub city from the first game was cool, but there was still far too much backtracking and weak adventuring elements. What they did is make the levels a lot tighter and more linear, and removed some of the adventuring while adding action. I think that was a good move, personally. Linearity for this sort of game works well, and tends to keep frustration at a minimum, such as when you have to search all over for that one key to open the one door you have to go through just to get to the next fight.
As far as the skulls, what's lame about them is they don't unlock anything in the game. I couldn't care less about Achievements, and I hate hunting around for things that don't impact the gameplay (like the pigeons in GTA4, useless). They should've allowed you to trade them in for stuff like in NG1.
I also really don't think the graphics are as disappointing as people make it out to be, but then you're talking to someone who still thinks NGB holds up pretty well when upscaled through a 360. The last few environments in NG2 are undeniably gorgeous, though. Too bad they couldn't keep that visual fidelity all game.
[QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]For the love of god, this is my own opinion. I only said read "most" of the reviews because alot of them have the same points. Bad Camera, cheap, crappy enviroments and **itty story. OK heres the the point. For me, I loved Ng,NGB,and NGS, NG2 just is not doing it for me. There's nothing else to explain, we play games to enjoy them. NG2 is half fun, half throw your controller at the wall. There are more people that would agree with me, then you. Not that there is anything wrong with you loving this game, I wished I loved it. I just had surgery and have nothing else to do, I really wanted this game to be great and replayable.
Zeliard9
Look, you're free to hate the game. It's like I've said, my issue is with people saying that NG2 is doing some things worse than NGB that it actually does the same or better. I played NGB literally right before I got NG2, so I have a strong perspective on the whole thing (NGB is also one of my favorite games ever). I think people look back with rose-tinted glasses at past games far too often, at the expense of current games.
That's probably my biggest gaming pet peeve, this idea that these past games are untouchable clas.sics that their current sequels can't match for no particular reason except that they're "next-gen" sequels so they have to "next-genify" every single aspect of the previous game or else it's a failure (once again, this also refers to the lame GTA4 backlash).
I also went back and played black. It was better for its "time". For this "time" ng2 dosent seem to cut it. Its a fun game but just average. Ng1 was new and fresh, ng2 has all been done before but better, except combat. You have to admit the graphics are a disapointment, They really dont look good, and have screen tearing and slowdowns. Some of the bosses would be super hard and you would continue, and some how beat him the next time with out breaking a sweat. Tell me you didnt experiance that. Were the skulls not poorly hidden? Does it not feel like you are stuck on a line going forward with blocked from going anywhere else, even to look for skills or powerups? Really what is improved besides some weapons and combos? Is "some" of the game not so frustrating that it takes the fun away?
If you smack a boss down after a continue, chances are more likely it was because you're more familiar with him and have developed a better strat. Will he do moves he's never done at certain times, and not others? Yes. But this is another one of those things that's a Ninja Gaiden mainstay, and it happens in other games of the genre too. That big Bone Dragon in NGB? I never saw his devastating biting attack until the 4th time I faced him.
As far as the linearity, I actually like that in a game of this sort (and my favorite genre is the sandbox genre). The Tairon hub city from the first game was cool, but there was still far too much backtracking and weak adventuring elements. What they did is make the levels a lot tighter and more linear, and removed some of the adventuring while adding action. I think that was a good move, personally. Linearity for this sort of game works well, and tends to keep frustration at a minimum, such as when you have to search all over for that one key to open the one door you have to go through just to get to the next fight.
As far as the skulls, what's lame about them is they don't unlock anything in the game. I couldn't care less about Achievements, and I hate hunting around for things that don't impact the gameplay (like the pigeons in GTA4, useless). They should've allowed you to trade them in for stuff like in NG1.
I also really don't think the graphics are as disappointing as people make it out to be, but then you're talking to someone who still thinks NGB holds up pretty well when upscaled through a 360. The last few environments in NG2 are undeniably gorgeous, though. Too bad they couldn't keep that visual fidelity all game.
NgB dose hold up well upscaled on the 360. I didnt beat the boss after a continue because I knew his pattern, for some reason sometimes the ai was easier. Like on level 9 with the birds. I tried forever with that and one time the little black birds only spawned once. There was another one but I cant remember which it was. The graphic gap between NGB and NG2 is small especially upscaled. Yes we could nit pick it but the gen gap is not there.,
NgB dose hold up well upscaled on the 360. I didnt beat the boss after a continue because I knew his pattern, for some reason sometimes the ai was easier. Like on level 9 with the birds. I tried forever with that and one time the little black birds only spawned once. There was another one but I cant remember which it was. The graphic gap between NGB and NG2 is small especially upscaled. Yes we could nit pick it but the gen gap is not there.,
lolkie_81
I don't disagree. Graphically-speaking, there is no generational jump in the quality like you'd see from San Andreas to GTA4, but it still looks quite good. Great particle effects and character models, and absolutely superb animation. Most of the environments except for the last few, though, aren't all that much to look at (though some of the backdrops are nice). The lighting and shadowing generally is also not up to par, though there are times when the character model mixes in with the enviroment really well and the lighting looks nice.
And I'll also say one thing about the camera, which is that it went completely crazy on me in two boss fights. One was those two birds you're talking about (who are pretty easy as well if you use the Void ninpo when they aren't moving), and the other was the two armadillos in Hell. The camera tries to focus on bosses in boss fights, so when there are two of them, it can go crazy on you and start stuttering all over the place in trying to focus on both at the same time. That is inexcusable, but those are really the only times the camera has been an issue for me.
[QUOTE="ironcreed"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]Finally! After all of my ranting and even starting a new file, I just got pissed and told myself that there was no way that I was going to go through all of that just to get back to where I have already gotten to. So, I loaded up my slot 1 file at the end of chapter 6 and finished Volf and the werewolves on my first go with only half a health bar, no ninpo and no grains of life.
I actually took Zeliard's advice and just focused on trying to evade more with the dash and time my attacks rather than blocking as much as I would while playing the original NG. And before I knew it, I got the cut scene after making getting some sweet hamburger meat revenge on those damn werewolves. God, finally, lol.
lolkie_81
See? :D Movement is much more important in NG2 than in NGB.
Chapter 7 is quite good, though most hate the boss. Just remember to block after you beat him. And throw incendiary shurikens at his head for good damage.
Chapter 8 and 9 feature the rocket-launching enemies that many hate. I personally didn't mind them, since I made sure to make them #1 priority in every fight. A good trick to learn for those guys is that they always shoot rockets in an arc. So if you simply run towards them while they're firing, they can't hit you because the rockets will always sail in an arc over you.
Chapters 10-14 are fantastic and probably the best in the game.
Yes, you were absolutely right with using evade more. Thanks for the tips there. And I am sure that I will enjoy the rest of the game and I am also sure that I am going to be pissed off quite a bit through the rest of it as well, lol. It is a good game, but my statements in regards to the flaws that I have picked up on stand when judging the game as whole....just as the reviewers did. It is what it is....a flawed gem.
Yes it is, Some times I love it, sometimes I throw my controller into the wall. Thats why this game sucks, the unbalanced diffcultly. I had hell with the level 9 boss. Then breezed tru, to chapter 12 with ease. Makes no sense . Huge disappointment for me this year, I would rate this game with uncharted. I was expecting more.
I don't know how you beat the previous NGB on Master Ninja like you said you did if you are had trouble with warrior mode. Warrior mode was really easy. When I played warrior mode I was kinda dissapointed on how ridiculously easy the bosses were you could basically mash buttons on the earlier bosses. The difficulty increased as you progress further on the game, but still easy for NG vets.
I had fun playing first time on warrior trying to learn it's gameplay and there was some learning curve for me. I don't see myself playing warrior mode again except maybe to go for the weapon achievements. I'm really enjoying mentor mode right now. There is a huge difference in it's difficulty. Besides the huge increase in difficulty I love how it's faster.
As for the camera problems it is the same as NG/NG, but due to the bigger environment and increase gameplay it might be harder to focus. It's more trouble some for the novice players. The previous NG games had the same problems you speak of in the harder modes in certain parts like whne you face Yotunfru along with the blue and black vats(not the bats) or the level where you have to face mutiple type of fiends while trying to destroy the communications tower.
Hey it's cool that you don't like the game you have the right to do so, but I find it insulting the way you come off telling how bad this game by saying just cause you hate it other people should hate it as well and not play it. I'm a huge fan of NG and as for me I am having fun playing it.
[QUOTE="ThaGreatness007"]Kumarab wrote
Ummm.no..I have no strategy guide helping me. All I did was disagree with the statement that "you can button mash your way through the first half"....right? Is that so hard to understand..really? Where did I say I knew more than that guy(who's an expert) or said that I'm an expert. I conceded myself that I'm a noob. Plain and simple thing--you can't button mash your way through the FIRST HALF...that's all...peace :). If anyone here or anywhere else for that matter can show me a video where he doesn't dodge adeptly and simply button mashes Y and X and beats Genshin on Chapter 2, I'll accept the button mashing statement.Have u even played the game by the way?
TreyoftheDead
I have not played the game yet get that out first. 2nd I have played previous NG games (NG & NGS) and for you to mention all those maneuvers you would have to first play the game or games extensively I even know that and you basically mentioned everything an expert knows.
I see nothing in his post that suggests that he must be a Ninja Gaiden veteran. In fact, anyone who has reached Genshin and is at least a competent gamer would be able to discuss the tactics he mentioned...even if they've never played a NG game.
Thanks :). Yeah, I mean..even the game threw a message on screen at the end of chapter 1 telling me to use block. That's when I started paying attention. Then, when I was being pummeled by Genshin..I realized the true advantage of dodging. I don't remember which site it was, but their review said that Zedonius was the hardest boss fight they had...you know..I beat that sucker in 30 seconds flat with dodging/running and airborne slashes...lol. The rocket launching guys were annoying though, I didn't die a single time in that chapter though, but yeah...it felt just a tad cheap at some times. Finshed chapter 9 last night...will get on with the rest of the game when I find free time...pretty busy this week. As someone mentioned, flying swallow doesn't work too well with the bosses(it does on some mini bosses though), except for Alexei. With Imps and Werevolves, flying swalllows are godsend...dodging/running(continuously...stop for nothing)...successive flying swallows(three hits)...and you may even come out of the fight without a single hit with as many as 20-30 werevolves around. And yes, I hate those dogs too. One question(to all NG veterans), do I have to wait for the Izuna Drop scroll? I know the button combo, I've tried it...but I've no idea what it actually looks like..so I don't know if I'm pulling it off or not. Any help on this would be appreciated. Oh, and if I didn't say this earlier...the game rocks!!!It has now moved from my 3rd favourite 360 game to the second spot!
^ Well, Izuna Drop isn't a scroll anymore, it's a level 2 move I think. But you can do anything else you get a scroll for immediately in NG2, unlike in NG1 where you had to pick up the scroll first. That means you can do stuff like counters from the very first fight in the game.
Oh, and Izuna Drop is a mid-air piledriver. If you do the whole combo, he slashes them once then slashes them up into the air and follows them, then slashes them a few more times in the air before piledriving them into the ground. It's made extra cool in NG2 with the neat camera angle and awesome brain splatter.
All i have to say is..... God i love this game :D
For some reason i like this game more then NG1, Sigma and NG:Black :D
No problems with the camera for me (if it ever gets in a spot i dont lik ei press the right trigger and its fixed), and i also LOVE the difficulty in the game, even if some are calling it 'cheap'.
One of my fav games this gen hands down
Thanks for the info Zeliard :). Level 2, as in the weapon levels right? Although I think I have performed it a few times, judging by your description...but I'm gonna try it again just to be sure. All of my weapons but the claws and kusuri-gama(both level 2) are maxed anyway.Untill Volf, I used the DS exclusively and now it's been a mix of Scythe and DS, DS specially, I find this the most balanced weapon in the game, but the scythe is no slouch either. I'll say this again, this game is not cheap in it's difficulty..there are a few really troublesome parts, but dodge-run-dodge-run and prioritise your enemy kills and you should come out with minimal damage(esp during those prolonged fights with rocket launchers all over the place). As for the camera, it does tend to annoy sometimes, but it's nothing game-breaking. In my opinion most reviews which are cying about the difficulty are doing so because they were so stressed out by the deadline hanging on their necks and NG2 wasn't making things any easier for them :). I'm sold to this franchise now, will dl NGB from XBL as soon as I finish this one.
Im thinking one of the main reasons why this game flopped is because most people's expectations were too high. Many probably expected to be blown away by this sequel like they were when Ninja Gaiden first came out on Xbox. While NG2 is still a great action game and one of the best action games currently for the Xbox 360, it just doesn't have that "wow factor" that Ninja Gaiden had when it first came out on Xbox.EnergyAbsorber
It flopped because its a good but not great game. 8 is still a decent score though.
[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]NgB dose hold up well upscaled on the 360. I didnt beat the boss after a continue because I knew his pattern, for some reason sometimes the ai was easier. Like on level 9 with the birds. I tried forever with that and one time the little black birds only spawned once. There was another one but I cant remember which it was. The graphic gap between NGB and NG2 is small especially upscaled. Yes we could nit pick it but the gen gap is not there.,
Zeliard9
I don't disagree. Graphically-speaking, there is no generational jump in the quality like you'd see from San Andreas to GTA4, but it still looks quite good. Great particle effects and character models, and absolutely superb animation. Most of the environments except for the last few, though, aren't all that much to look at (though some of the backdrops are nice). The lighting and shadowing generally is also not up to par, though there are times when the character model mixes in with the enviroment really well and the lighting looks nice.
And I'll also say one thing about the camera, which is that it went completely crazy on me in two boss fights. One was those two birds you're talking about (who are pretty easy as well if you use the Void ninpo when they aren't moving), and the other was the two armadillos in Hell. The camera tries to focus on bosses in boss fights, so when there are two of them, it can go crazy on you and start stuttering all over the place in trying to focus on both at the same time. That is inexcusable, but those are really the only times the camera has been an issue for me.
You can actually detach the camera so it only follows you and not the bosses as well. I did that in both of those bossfights and completed both on my first try. I killed the birds without even taking a single hit, by far the easiest boss in the game IMO.
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