Official numbers: XBOX still ahead.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Please. The PS3 won't even reach those numbers at all. The popularity of the PS brand has been diminished & it's not as popular as it used to be. If it took them this long just to reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it's going to take to reach 100 million. Besides, people are going to be paying more attention to Project Cafe over PS3 starting at this E3, & when it releases worldwide next year.

garland51

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million PS2 owners, hmmm?

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] Orly? From where I'm standing, Sony's suport for the PS3 is standing strong and last year they sold a record amount of ps3s. I'd say they're nicely on track to sell an admirable amount of consoles.1stPlaceWinner

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million owners, hmmm?

He said that the PS brand is still very strong. If it were true, the PS3 would've been in first place by now. Plus the 360 had more support in comparison to last gen. Last gen, the PS2 had an extraordinary number, much more so than Gamecube & Xbox combined. Now compare what's happening now with the PS3.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Please. The PS3 won't even reach those numbers at all. The popularity of the PS brand has been diminished & it's not as popular as it used to be. If it took them this long just to reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it's going to take to reach 100 million. Besides, people are going to be paying more attention to Project Cafe over PS3 starting at this E3, & when it releases worldwide next year.

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million owners, hmmm?

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="garland51"]

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million owners, hmmm?

garland51

He said that the PS brand is still very strong. If it were true, the PS3 would've been in first place by now. Plus the 360 had more support in comparison to last gen. Last gen, the PS2 had an extraordinary number, much more so than Gamecube & Xbox combined. Now compare what's happening now with the PS3.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Please. The PS3 won't even reach those numbers at all. The popularity of the PS brand has been diminished & it's not as popular as it used to be. If it took them this long just to reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it's going to take to reach 100 million. Besides, people are going to be paying more attention to Project Cafe over PS3 starting at this E3, & when it releases worldwide next year.

garland51

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million owners, hmmm?

because it's a lot more comforting to conjure up some imaginary "support" for the ps3 than to accept the truth :lol:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-global-ps3-sales-still-behind-xbox-360

"A record 14.3 million PS3s were sold during those 12 months, taking the global PS3 tally to 50 million.

But Microsoft's worldwide Xbox 360 total is higher, standing at 53.6 million (as of January 2011)."

Recarnator

If you said it would be this close now in the beginning of this gen lems would have laughed you out of swriver_rat3117

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] They reached 50mil 9 months faster than MS and the 360... Not to mention that not only was the PS3 an extremely expensive console when it launched, but the economy has been rough since the consoles release. A lot of people just couldn't afford it.

And if you're going to compare the PS3s sales to the PS2 sales at the 11 year mark, you might actually want to wait for the ps3 to turn 11 before you start getting too excited.

You also don't seem to realise that the gaming industry and the competition within has actually change drastically since the ps1/ps2 days. But yeah, keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep at night._Cadbury_

Please. The PS3 won't even reach those numbers at all. The popularity of the PS brand has been diminished & it's not as popular as it used to be. If it took them this long just to reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it's going to take to reach 100 million. Besides, people are going to be paying more attention to Project Cafe over PS3 starting at this E3, & when it releases worldwide next year.

PS3 may not be doing bad, but it's not doing PS2-good either. The PS2 sold the biggest amount in it first 6-7 years and then started slowing down afterwards, but it sold much faster than PS3 is selling and was destroying the competition as well. PS3 is selling at a better rate than the 360 by very little and far behind the Wii, it's a major step down any way you look at it.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] Orly? From where I'm standing, Sony's suport for the PS3 is standing strong and last year they sold a record amount of ps3s. I'd say they're nicely on track to sell an admirable amount of consoles.1stPlaceWinner

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million PS2 owners, hmmm?

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Please. The PS3 won't even reach those numbers at all. The popularity of the PS brand has been diminished & it's not as popular as it used to be. If it took them this long just to reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it's going to take to reach 100 million. Besides, people are going to be paying more attention to Project Cafe over PS3 starting at this E3, & when it releases worldwide next year.

themyth01

PS3 may not be doing bad, but it's not doing PS2-good either. The PS2 sold the biggest amount in it first 6-7 years and then started slowing down afterwards, but it sold much faster than PS3 is selling and was destroying the competition as well. PS3 is selling at a better rate than the 360 by very little and far behind the Wii, it's a major step down any way you look at it.

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="garland51"]

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million PS2 owners, hmmm?

rybe1025

talking about this gen lol

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="garland51"]

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million PS2 owners, hmmm?

rybe1025

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="garland51"]

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million PS2 owners, hmmm?

rybe1025

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

locopatho

to be far whats the point of doing that when these two systems get the same exact games....

This thread...I am amuse.

[QUOTE="xhawk27"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Year ahead with 3.6m lead.... I'm sure MS is busting out the bubbly :lol:

tormentos

i'm confused...do cows hide behind the PC or Wii...it changes so often, ts hard to keep track. depends on the situation i guess.

[QUOTE="xhawk27"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Year ahead with 3.6m lead.... I'm sure MS is busting out the bubbly :lol:

FragTycoon

Sony had like 70% last gen and now MS still aint got that and is destine to be last.

Don't forget the party hats :lol:

So will PS3 catch up before the end of this gen, if at all???SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

Mario1331

to be far whats the point of doing that when these two systems get the same exact games....

That's strange. I've been playing games that I could have sworn will never be released on the Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"]If passing the wii is the meter for finding out if a console has strong support than doesnt that mean xbox has no strong support either?_Cadbury_

Apples to Apples for you.

End Q1 2005 vs End Q1 2011 (4 1/2 yrs after PS2 and PS3 respectively)

PS2 86M units and 68% share versus PS3 50M units and 27% share

GC 18M units and 15% share versus Wii 86M units and 45% share

Xbox 22M units and 17% share versus 360 53M units and 28% share

Total 126M units versus 189M units

It is a disaster for Sony.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="kuu2"] Weird how the PS2 launched after the Dreamcast by a year but had no problems surpassing. I guess the PS3 is not as good as the PS2 was, but that is something 75% of PS2 owners already knew.:lol:

kuu2

Oh so Sega was not as formidable as Msoft and Sony has always been weak. Got it.

The lengths Sony Fan will go to to protect their beloved console.

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="garland51"]

If the support of PS3 is truly strong, why hasn't it surpassed the Wii in sales yet? Where are those other 100 million owners, hmmm?

garland51

He said that the PS brand is still very strong. If it were true, the PS3 would've been in first place by now. Plus the 360 had more support in comparison to last gen. Last gen, the PS2 had an extraordinary number, much more so than Gamecube & Xbox combined. Now compare what's happening now with the PS3.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

In fact, they were losing more money off of PS3 than what they were making off of the PS2. Not to mention that they've lost about 70% of the marketshare to the 360, lost most of the sales to the Wii, & that they've blown all of their profits that they made off of both PS1 & PS2 on the PS3.

No matter how anyone tries to spin it, the PS3 has been a disaster for Sony this gen.

rybe1025

do you have a link for that?... that's ok.. I know the answer to that :P

Sony has lost more on the PS3 then the PS2 has made.

Or are you talking about losing market share? If so the PS2 had almost 3 times more then the Xbox and Gamecube COMBINED at the start of this gen but now the PS3 is 3.6 million in last place. The 360 and Wii greatly increased the market shares for their companies. The funny part how the PS2 has 150+ million now and just further proof that people owning a PS2 does not mean buying a PS3.

2. Claim was that PS3 has lost all the profits made off both PS1 and 2. Link only claims Sony "lost more money selling PlayStation 3s than it made selling PlayStation 2s during the entire five years of its peak."

3. Your link also states "Of course, the Xbox 360, especially considering its $1 billion in replacement costs for faulty hardware, has likely cost Microsoft just as much, if not more. But Microsoft's entire foray into the videogame business has been a costly multi-billion dollar investment (Microsoft lost $4 billion on its original Xbox alone)."

How about a link that shows that Sony's gaming division total cumulative net for fiscal Q3 2006-Q4 2010 is a loss of more than their total cumulative profit for Q3 1994-Q2 2006? I mean, that's what garland51 was claiming and FragTycoon asked for a link for...

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

TheMoreYouOwn

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"] PS2 150 million sold -PS3 50 million sold so the Playstation brand has LOST 2/3 of its support Xbox 24 million sold -360 53.6 million sold so the Xbox brand has GAINED more then double the supportSUD123456

Apples to Apples for you.

End Q1 2005 vs End Q1 2011 (4 1/2 yrs after PS2 and PS3 respectively)

PS2 86M units and 68% share versus PS3 50M units and 27% share

GC 18M units and 15% share versus Wii 86M units and 45% share

Xbox 22M units and 17% share versus 360 53M units and 28% share

Total 126M units versus 189M units

It is a disaster for Sony.

People shouldn't get down on Sony for not selling 100 million consoles like they did with the PS2. The reason PS2 did so well is because the competition at the time was terrible, Sega couldn't recover from past mistakes, Nintendo were trying to be somthing they were'nt and MS had just entered into the market. Even if the PS3 does surpass the sales of the 360 I still wouldn't consider that beating the 360, the numbers are just too close and the time frames are off.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

do you have a link for that?... that's ok.. I know the answer to that :P

ianuilliam

Sony has lost more on the PS3 then the PS2 has made.

Or are you talking about losing market share? If so the PS2 had almost 3 times more then the Xbox and Gamecube COMBINED at the start of this gen but now the PS3 is 3.6 million in last place. The 360 and Wii greatly increased the market shares for their companies. The funny part how the PS2 has 150+ million now and just further proof that people owning a PS2 does not mean buying a PS3.

2. Claim was that PS3 has lost all the profits made off both PS1 and 2. Link only claims Sony "lost more money selling PlayStation 3s than it made selling PlayStation 2s during the entire five years of its peak."

3. Your link also states "Of course, the Xbox 360, especially considering its $1 billion in replacement costs for faulty hardware, has likely cost Microsoft just as much, if not more. But Microsoft's entire foray into the videogame business has been a costly multi-billion dollar investment (Microsoft lost $4 billion on its original Xbox alone)."

1.) PS3 just only started making a profit last summer.

2.) PS3 wipes out PS2 profits.

3.) MS has already made back that $1 Billion back by now.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

clone01

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"]If passing the wii is the meter for finding out if a console has strong support than doesnt that mean xbox has no strong support either?tormentos

He said that the PS brand is still very strong. If it were true, the PS3 would've been in first place by now. Plus the 360 had more support in comparison to last gen. Last gen, the PS2 had an extraordinary number, much more so than Gamecube & Xbox combined. Now compare what's happening now with the PS3.

There is a difference no other console in the history of gaming has release at $600 dollars and sell 50 million units, the PS3 is not in the lead because it was to expensive at launch period.

That's because that the PS1 & the PS2 were hugely successful. That's the ONLY reason why they didn't go under altogether after like, a year from E3 '06. In fact, they BARELY survived E3 from that year. The PS3, however, is not as hugely successful as the PS1 & the PS2 are, & Sony isn't going to easily catch up with their competitors or to easily sell their PS4's for next gen. They're going to have to work a lot harder the next time around.

The PS3 without Blu-Ray it would had been a completely different story, to the one now because its cost would had been allot lower. Also this gen MS has pay a ton of cash to developer to get exclusives games and content,is not that developer abandoned the PS3 because they liked the xbox 360 better, in fact many PC developer like epic like the PS3 more open business plan than MS restricting business plan, they make gear for 360 because MS is paying.

You are right, right there in which the PS3 without Blu-Ray would've been a different story. Plus MS isn't the only company that pays cash to developers for exclusive content, Sony did that for both PS1 & PS2. You're right about MS paying developers cash for exclusive content, in which it's timed, BUT, they didn't exactly PAY 3rd party companies to have 3rd party games to go over to Xbox 360, it was their own decision to port former PS3 exclusives to 360, & because that they couldn't afford to have their games exclusive on the PS3 due to higher development costs. That's why we're seeing most multiplats between each other from this gen, & it'll get even worse for next gen. 3rd party exclusives will be basically extinct then, as dev costs will be skyrocketing even more.

And lastly even that the PS3 has loss market share to greatly in part to his high price, it has done great no other consoles launch at $600 dollars has sold 50 million units in 4 years and half, hell the xbox and GC combined price on launch was $500 dollars and both separately did not sold 50 million units. There is where you see that the brand it still strong, but price was restrictive and prohibitive and still is to the majority of the user base of the PS brand, the great majority of the 150 million PS2 owners did no pay $300 for their PS2 they pay $200 or less, reason why most of the market was taken by Nintendo and not MS, because the cheaper consoles from go was the wii which as an added bonus also feature motion controls.

I certainly don't remember both Xbox & GC being at $500, because they never were at $500 to begin with. Plus to be honest, the PS brand is diminishing, & Sony is losing credibility among gamers & developers, especially when it comes to the hacking of the PS3. Plus Sony is bound to have more deadlier competition than ever before next gen, & gamers are going to be very cautious on what Sony does with PS4 & PSP 2.

There is a price line that costumer will not cross, lets hope sony has learn it lesson.

I will agree with you right there.

Responses in bold.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"] PS2 150 million sold -PS3 50 million sold so the Playstation brand has LOST 2/3 of its support Xbox 24 million sold -360 53.6 million sold so the Xbox brand has GAINED more then double the supportSUD123456

Apples to Apples for you.

End Q1 2005 vs End Q1 2011 (4 1/2 yrs after PS2 and PS3 respectively)

PS2 86M units and 68% share versus PS3 50M units and 27% share

GC 18M units and 15% share versus Wii 86M units and 45% share

Xbox 22M units and 17% share versus 360 53M units and 28% share

Total 126M units versus 189M units

It is a disaster for Sony.

PS2 86M units

SUD123456

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]
Figures for an 11 year old console vs figures for a 4.5 year old console. Hurp de derr.

And the PS2 is actually still in production, so technically all those 150 million ps2s are part of Sony's share of the market since you people love to bang on about market share so much ;)
And if one would argue that the PS2 is a part of a different market then ones argument that Sony lost this supposed 2/3 of market share would be void seeing is its actually a different market.

_Cadbury_

Apples to Apples for you.

End Q1 2005 vs End Q1 2011 (4 1/2 yrs after PS2 and PS3 respectively)

PS2 86M units and 68% share versus PS3 50M units and 27% share

GC 18M units and 15% share versus Wii 86M units and 45% share

Xbox 22M units and 17% share versus 360 53M units and 28% share

Total 126M units versus 189M units

It is a disaster for Sony.

Nothing you said has any relevance since we are not talking about Sony's share of gaming. If you wish to include the PS2 as part of the current market you can. Logically you could add all PS2 sales that have occurred since the PS3 launched to Sony's total. Logically you could also add all handhelds since handhelds and consoles are substitutes for at least some people. Logically you could also add all gaming PCs as well, since they are also substitutes. You could do the same for Nintendo. We could then talk about corporate wars. But of course, this is SWs.

I am sure we could go on. But none of that would really be relevant to this particular discussion as it is about how well the PS3 is doing vs X360 and how well PS3 is doing comparatively vs PS2. Feel free to add PS2 to the market and we can redo the math. It will only make the PS3 numbers look worse. And since this is about PS3 numbers, not Sony numbers...well there is only one way this can go.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

GameShtopper

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

PS2 86M units

shinrabanshou

Had to edit this.

That isn't quite right as the 86M only goes to end Q1 2005. You would have to adust to add up till end Q3 2005 or end Q3 2006 depending on when you want to start this gen.

Regardless, it is still going to be a big numberandisa testament to what a juggernaut the PS2 really has been.

PC/ps3 gamer here, so not an xbox fanboy.

I can only assume some people were too young to really care to be aware of the situation at the end of last generation. Sony has been teetering on the edge of disaster. There is no way you can rationalize their fall from top dog. Even if Sony were up by three million units at this point it would still be a losing situation for Sony.

Aside from that it doesn't matter who came out first all that matters now are the numbers today. With the recent PSN disaster those numbers may favor MS even more in the months to come.

I recall before the first Xbox came out howmany thought it was folly for MS to even try and crack the console market. Even if Sony eventually takes the lead over MS it's almost a moot point already. The next generation is just around the corner.

I like my ps3 but it's been a crapfest compared to the ps2.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Congrats! Now...let's talk about the 2010 exclusives lineup to go along with all those sold consoles...;)

GameShtopper

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

the ps3 has only a few more high scoring exclusives than the 360 does and this is a relatively recent development.

[QUOTE="GameShtopper"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Do you only play exclusives?CaseyWegner

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

the ps3 has only a few more high scoring exclusives than the 360 does and this is a relatively recent development.

Yes, but I'd prefer a better future than an ailing future.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GameShtopper"]

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

GameShtopper

the ps3 has only a few more high scoring exclusives than the 360 does and this is a relatively recent development.

Yes, but I'd prefer a better future than an ailing future.

The future is the next generation which isn't far off. This generation is a loss for Sony, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GameShtopper"]

It's not a question of whether or not we only play exclusives, it's a question of whether or not do you only play multiplats?

But of course, that is all you have to play.

GameShtopper

the ps3 has only a few more high scoring exclusives than the 360 does and this is a relatively recent development.

Yes, but I'd prefer a better future than an ailing future.

i don't see how that matches your previous statement.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Apples to Apples for you.

End Q1 2005 vs End Q1 2011 (4 1/2 yrs after PS2 and PS3 respectively)

PS2 86M units and 68% share versus PS3 50M units and 27% share

GC 18M units and 15% share versus Wii 86M units and 45% share

Xbox 22M units and 17% share versus 360 53M units and 28% share

Total 126M units versus 189M units

It is a disaster for Sony.

SUD123456

Nothing you said has any relevance since we are not talking about Sony's share of gaming. If you wish to include the PS2 as part of the current market you can. Logically you could add all PS2 sales that have occurred since the PS3 launched to Sony's total. Logically you could also add all handhelds since handhelds and consoles are substitutes for at least some people. Logically you could also add all gaming PCs as well, since they are also substitutes. You could do the same for Nintendo. We could then talk about corporate wars. But of course, this is SWs.

I am sure we could go on. But none of that would really be relevant to this particular discussion as it is about how well the PS3 is doing vs X360 and how well PS3 is doing comparatively vs PS2. Feel free to add PS2 to the market and we can redo the math. It will only make the PS3 numbers look worse. And since this is about PS3 numbers, not Sony numbers...well there is only one way this can go.

Mistake after mistake has made Sony almost comical. Starting with the price and giant crab to the PSN meltdown.

3.6million just shows that xbox only reason it's in the lead compared to sony is of the head start.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

Cool man but you seem to have missed everything I said past the first line that pretty much voids this market share argument.

_Cadbury_

Nothing you said has any relevance since we are not talking about Sony's share of gaming. If you wish to include the PS2 as part of the current market you can. Logically you could add all PS2 sales that have occurred since the PS3 launched to Sony's total. Logically you could also add all handhelds since handhelds and consoles are substitutes for at least some people. Logically you could also add all gaming PCs as well, since they are also substitutes. You could do the same for Nintendo. We could then talk about corporate wars. But of course, this is SWs.

I am sure we could go on. But none of that would really be relevant to this particular discussion as it is about how well the PS3 is doing vs X360 and how well PS3 is doing comparatively vs PS2. Feel free to add PS2 to the market and we can redo the math. It will only make the PS3 numbers look worse. And since this is about PS3 numbers, not Sony numbers...well there is only one way this can go.

I don't know why last gen even comes into the argument, this is the 360 sales numbers vs ps3 sales numbers. The only reason last gen consoles came into the argument is because it was the last resort for lems to try and make the ps3 sales look bad. They try to make the 360's sales increase over the xbox look good when the fact of the matter is that the xbox sold incredibly poorly, obviously it's going to be easier for MS to do better than that than it will be for Sony to get the PS3 to sell as well as the PS2, which sold unbelievably well. And theres still a possibilty that the PS3 will sell in similar amounts to the PS2 when Sony is reporting record sales for last year.

"Last resort to make PS3 sales look bad?" What? Dude, you just need to give it up. No one made the PS3 or it's sales look bad but Sony themselves. The fact of the matter is, is that Sony has not done all that great for this gen at all. Besides, you're the ones talking about "Duhhh, PS3 has been outselling 360 year after year, etc," when it was only due to the huge success off of PS2, as well as Sony doing tons of price cuts, etc., ever since after their launch. Point blank.

3.6million just shows that xbox only reason it's in the lead compared to sony is of the head start.

OmegaTau

True, but it doesn't matter.

The ps3 is the only console I own, so maybe I don't kiss it's butt for no reason and ignore Sony's mistakes because I'm a PC gamer mainly, but how people justrun intodenial and sugar coat the fall from grace is hilarous. SW is pretty entertaining.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]

Cool man but you seem to have missed everything I said past the first line that pretty much voids this market share argument.

_Cadbury_

Nothing you said has any relevance since we are not talking about Sony's share of gaming. If you wish to include the PS2 as part of the current market you can. Logically you could add all PS2 sales that have occurred since the PS3 launched to Sony's total. Logically you could also add all handhelds since handhelds and consoles are substitutes for at least some people. Logically you could also add all gaming PCs as well, since they are also substitutes. You could do the same for Nintendo. We could then talk about corporate wars. But of course, this is SWs.

I am sure we could go on. But none of that would really be relevant to this particular discussion as it is about how well the PS3 is doing vs X360 and how well PS3 is doing comparatively vs PS2. Feel free to add PS2 to the market and we can redo the math. It will only make the PS3 numbers look worse. And since this is about PS3 numbers, not Sony numbers...well there is only one way this can go.

You are not the first to try to use the "Sony family" defense and I am sure you won't be the last. However, the "family" defense is considered teh lulz in SW.

You complained that the other poster was using data for an 11 yr old console vs a 4 1/2 yr old console as incorrect evidence of success (or failure)

I provided you comparative data over similar time frames which demonstrates equally well the point the other poster was making.

Now you are resorting to the "Sony family" defense. You can make an argument for that in the real world if you want. But this isn't the real world, this is SW.