Ok, I cant hold it in anymore, the Assassins Creed games are best of gen worthy.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I'm one of those weird people that really liked the first one, so in that regard, I agree. Playing the second one now. Still fairly early on, but it isn't nearly as cool yet.

Hahadouken

To me that's one of the reasons it was better then the first.

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

The game is greatly bottlenecked by the crappy combat system.

TheEroica

I bought AC2 two months ago used. I hated it. I'm going to force my self to beat it. Controls feel sloppy. Buttons change during different actions, making things more confusing. Reason to keep playing after killing the guy that killed ur ...... Well I had no reason.caseypayne69

I liked AC and AC2, but ACB was overrated, felt like AC2 DLC that got turned into a rushed to production retail game, the last two sequences were rushed, you only visit one city where other games had multiple cities, the game doesn't seem to have any masterly crafted story for as much effort they put into just making it ambiguous, I was hoping they'd retire Ezio by now, bring up another DNA memory ancestor, the only reason I think it did as well was because of the multiplayer, which is fun when it works, and that became so frustrating I stopped botheringlamprey263

I still need to try 2 and Brotherhood, but AC:1 was barely passable imo.

i don't agree, even though ac2 is miles better then ac1 I still couldn't bother with the game after you met mario. I love the platforming in the game but the combat bore me to tears

The Assassins Creed franchise is probably the franchises that had the biggest descent from mediocrity to greatness. My thoughts:

Assassins Creed - Absolutely rubbish game
Assassins Creed 2 - Absolutely awesome game
Assassins Creed Brotherhood - Same as AC2, but more awesome.

The thing about the AC games is that it delivers an experience for me that no other game delivers, for one reason - the world actually feels alive. No other sandbox game creates a world as lively and realistic as the AC games. The details of the environments are indeed astounding and the ACB does deserve more praise for its graphics. Riding on a horse in the sunset through the countryside or scaling a church is just pure awesome. They really fixed the problems with the first game and there is just tons of stuff to do, I agree that the later games are some of the best this gen.

Edit: Can't believe I forgot the soundtracks of AC2 and ACB, they're simply beautiful. The atmosphere in these games just oozes authenticity and quality.

The Assassins Creed franchise is probably the franchises that had the biggest descent from mediocrity to greatness. My thoughts:

Assassins Creed - Absolutely rubbish game
Assassins Creed 2 - Absolutely awesome game
Assassins Creed Brotherhood - Same as AC2, but more awesome.

...

Asim90

I would agree that it's definitely one of the better new IP's this gen and I would say AC2 is one of my 3rd favorite game this gen.

I'm also about to borrow Ac brotherhood. Hopefully it's as good as 2.

Thefatness16

hmmm so letss see here:

I hated the 1st one

skipped the 2nd one because the first one was soooo boring

only play the MP on the 3rd one.

there are many games that game out this gen that are better than AC like:

uncharted

gears of war

little big planet

dead space

MASS FEECT ( MY PERSONAL FAVORITE THIS GEN )

resistance

and im barely scraping the icing on the cake. AC is on the botton of that list.

gamespot4life

I find them really repetitive actually. Brotherhood was certainly fun but nowhere near one of the best games of the gen.

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

The Assassins Creed franchise is probably the franchises that had the biggest descent from mediocrity to greatness. My thoughts:

Assassins Creed - Absolutely rubbish game
Assassins Creed 2 - Absolutely awesome game
Assassins Creed Brotherhood - Same as AC2, but more awesome.

...

LOXO7

I say its rubbish because it lacks what the other games are good at - variety that keeps you engrossed. AC1 had the player repeating the same menial tasks, over and over again. It was just too boring.

AC I = YES

AC 2= Maybe

ACB = Definetely not. Not even close. I'll give it a 7/10 at most just because the innovative multiplayer.

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I bought AC2 two months ago used. I hated it. I'm going to force my self to beat it. Controls feel sloppy. Buttons change during different actions, making things more confusing. Reason to keep playing after killing the guy that killed ur ...... Well I had no reason.-Renegade

Hey, Assassins Creen Brotherhood won a Writer's Guild Trophy. Good job!

VoodooHak

AC I = YES

AC 2= Maybe

ACB = Definetely not. Not even close. I'll give it a 7/10 at most just because the innovative multiplayer.

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

AC I = YES

AC 2= Maybe

ACB = Definetely not. Not even close. I'll give it a 7/10 at most just because the innovative multiplayer.

mrmusicman247

GTFO flametroll

ACI had it's issues but it had a great story and it was still assassins creed unlike this brotherhood **** which has the worst story of humankind and really they should rename it to something like this:

Warriors creed

Army vs Army

Battlefield

Call of duty: Ancient warfare

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

AC I = YES

AC 2= Maybe

ACB = Definetely not. Not even close. I'll give it a 7/10 at most just because the innovative multiplayer.

charlesdarwin55

GTFO flametroll

ACI had it's issues but it had a great story and it was still assassins creed unlike this brotherhood **** which has the worst story of humankind and really they should rename it to something like this:

Warriors creed

Army vs Army

Battlefield

Call of duty: Ancient warfare

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] Yeah this definitely backwards. I call shenanigans. mrmusicman247

GTFO flametroll

ACI had it's issues but it had a great story and it was still assassins creed unlike this brotherhood **** which has the worst story of humankind and really they should rename it to something like this:

Warriors creed

Army vs Army

Battlefield

Call of duty: Ancient warfare

The combat sucked and was totally unrealistic and proves my previous point. This is Assassin's Creed you shouldn't be able to take out an entire army. You're suppose to be stealthy and 4 enemies against you=dead. They should really just take the demon's souls battle system and i your're not stealthy you should be punished. The brotherhood system again while it's nothing wrong with it it further undermines the stealth and makesthis more remind me of aopen war than the secret war it supposed to be. That'sanother thing theirs no mysticism in this game you don't belong toa secret organization but a guerilla that goes around in open daylight reqruitning members and killing anyone in sight. Sidemissions? why would I want even moreof this crap? And crossbow, how is that an achivement of any kind? Go to BlOps and you can play with a crossbow too.

Now even if all this was positive contributions how can it compensate for the worst story of all time, of all time, tons of framerate issues and alot of ther crap.¨

Assassins creed Brohood=

Giovanni: *In a very stereotypically italian way*senor Ezio u most go to the Roooma.

Ezio: *In a very stereotypically italian way* Si, molto bene I will. Grazie di tutto di frigolito diba-bare-boopa

In Roooma

Ezio: Ok everyone I am here. Wait uno momento *kills 20 people*.I am an Assassino and our headquarter is over there but don't tell anyone ok? I am going to our headquarter now.

*Going to the headquarters leaving a trail of 30 corpses*

Machievelli: Oh ezio bon giorno I am so happy to see you ba-bare-boopi. We just found out that the entire french army is just 10 meters that way...boopi.

Ezio: Molto Bene. Let's go kill them.

Machievelli: Don't we need a plan?

Ezio: No don't you remember I can take out 1000 guys all by myself?

Machiavelli: Oh yeah.

Ezio: Molto Bene.

Machivelli: Wanna make out?

Ezio: No

THE END

charlesdarwin55

I don't understand this at all. You claim AC:B sucks but AC1 was better?

EDIT: Oh and btw the game isn't Theif. Stealth isn't it whole premise. You should have learned that from the first game.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Hey, Assassins Creen Brotherhood won a Writer's Guild Trophy. Good job!

charlesdarwin55

Pretty obvious you didn't read the article.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

mrmusicman247

I don't understand this at all. You claim AC:B sucks but AC1 was better?

EDIT: Oh and btw the game isn't Theif. Stealth isn't it whole premise. You should have learned that from the first game.

ACI had its issues. The biggest improvements in ACII was day & night cycle and swimming but also many others.

But ACI had a great deep story with deep &interesting characters that evolves through the game. Also, although Altair & co knew how to fight, u still had to be careful and plan before you strike your target, if you get discovered u could fight but it was hard if it was too many so the best option was to flee. So yes they where true assassins now they're just warriors. The investigation system wasn't perfect but it was a good starting point and when they removed it it took all the wrong direction in the two following games.

certainly one of my favorites this gen, but i can see why a lot of people wouldn't like it.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Hey, Assassins Creen Brotherhood won a Writer's Guild Trophy. Good job!

VoodooHak

Pretty obvious you didn't read the article.

Maybe it's cause I am from Sweden but didn't the article say they got an award for the best story in a video game that year?

The first game is far too repetitive for its own good. The sequels are good games, but they are still rough around the edges. The combat is far too simple and unsatisfying, the stealth mechanics are far too limited, and the mission structure is still in some need for more variety. The art direction is always really good. I love the cities in Ass Creed. Nice and pretty. All in all though they are good games, but not great ones to be quite frank. Wouldn't put em up as the best of the gen.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

charlesdarwin55

I don't understand this at all. You claim AC:B sucks but AC1 was better?

EDIT: Oh and btw the game isn't Theif. Stealth isn't it whole premise. You should have learned that from the first game.

ACI had its issues. The biggest improvements in ACII was day & night cycle and swimming but also many others.

But ACI had a great deep story with deep &interesting characters that evolves through the game. Also, although Altair & co knew how to fight, u still had to be careful and plan before you strike your target, if you get discovered u could fight but it was hard if it was too many so the best option was to flee. So yes they where true assassins now they're just warriors. The investigation system wasn't perfect but it was a good starting point and when they removed it it took all the wrong direction in the two following games.

No. Not at all.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

I don't understand this at all. You claim AC:B sucks but AC1 was better?

EDIT: Oh and btw the game isn't Theif. Stealth isn't it whole premise. You should have learned that from the first game.

mrmusicman247

ACI had its issues. The biggest improvements in ACII was day & night cycle and swimming but also many others.

But ACI had a great deep story with deep &interesting characters that evolves through the game. Also, although Altair & co knew how to fight, u still had to be careful and plan before you strike your target, if you get discovered u could fight but it was hard if it was too many so the best option was to flee. So yes they where true assassins now they're just warriors. The investigation system wasn't perfect but it was a good starting point and when they removed it it took all the wrong direction in the two following games.

What was same thing? I really hope you're not referring to the story or characters. Wut? I don't think side missions are that important. They're often pretty shallow anyway. Instead if they make the main missions deeper and incorproate side missions within the main mission I think that's even better if u understand me(I think they did this pretty well in AC2 if I remember correctly). But yeah didn't say ACI was perfect but it was such a good starting point that they totally ruined especially with brotherhood. Climbing has only gotten more unrealistic.

Yes Altair did that but he was taken down to earth and developsfrom that andif you remember correctly he was also very naive but grows from that too as each target givehim another perspective. AC2 Ezio=young and naive ACB Ezio=Old and naive, he trusts pretty much anyone he spares rodrigo and that templar assassin (even though he had no problem killin 1000 people before that)

And you forget that Ezio is actually one of the most interesting characters of ACB while Altair was the most unintresting in ACI. All the villains where more interesting with deep personalities and to you contraditing ideals and they gave perspective. Malik and Al-Mu3alim was also very interesting.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

ACI had its issues. The biggest improvements in ACII was day & night cycle and swimming but also many others.

But ACI had a great deep story with deep &interesting characters that evolves through the game. Also, although Altair & co knew how to fight, u still had to be careful and plan before you strike your target, if you get discovered u could fight but it was hard if it was too many so the best option was to flee. So yes they where true assassins now they're just warriors. The investigation system wasn't perfect but it was a good starting point and when they removed it it took all the wrong direction in the two following games.

charlesdarwin55

What was same thing? I really hope you're not referring to the story or characters. Wut? I don't think side missions are that important. They're often pretty shallow anyway. Instead if they make the main missions deeper and incorproate side missions within the main mission I think that's even better if u understand me(I think they did this pretty well in AC2 if I remember correctly). But yeah didn't say ACI was perfect but it was such a good starting point that they totally ruined especially with brotherhood. Climbing has only gotten more unrealistic.

Yes Altair did that but he was taken down to earth and developsfrom that andif you remember correctly he was also very naive but grows from that too as each target givehim another perspective. AC2 Ezio=young and naive ACB Ezio=Old and naive, he trusts pretty much anyone he spares rodrigo and that templar assassin (even though he had no problem killin 1000 people before that)

And you forget that Ezio is actually one of the most interesting characters of ACB while Altair was the most unintresting in ACI. All the villains where more interesting with deep personalities and to you contraditing ideals and they gave perspective. Malik and Al-Mu3alim was also very interesting.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] Same thing with AC2 and Brotherhood. Although it's not every mission on certain missions if you get caught, you can't fight your way out because your target will flee and you have to fight off guards. AC2 and Brotherhood had side missions. Very important in a sandbox games. If you don't want to do them, you don't have to. That's the beauty of SIDE missions. The platforming was also improved running and climbing have gotten a lot smoother. And as for story and characters, Altair presented himself as a badass. Like he could take on an army himself. Ezio in AC2 was young and naive which is why it was very different than Altair. Brotherhood, he was similar to Altair. mrmusicman247

What was same thing? I really hope you're not referring to the story or characters. Wut? I don't think side missions are that important. They're often pretty shallow anyway. Instead if they make the main missions deeper and incorproate side missions within the main mission I think that's even better if u understand me(I think they did this pretty well in AC2 if I remember correctly). But yeah didn't say ACI was perfect but it was such a good starting point that they totally ruined especially with brotherhood. Climbing has only gotten more unrealistic.

Yes Altair did that but he was taken down to earth and developsfrom that andif you remember correctly he was also very naive but grows from that too as each target givehim another perspective. AC2 Ezio=young and naive ACB Ezio=Old and naive, he trusts pretty much anyone he spares rodrigo and that templar assassin (even though he had no problem killin 1000 people before that)

And you forget that Ezio is actually one of the most interesting characters of ACB while Altair was the most unintresting in ACI. All the villains where more interesting with deep personalities and to you contraditing ideals and they gave perspective. Malik and Al-Mu3alim was also very interesting.

Really? You gotta be kidding. It's of course a matter of oppinion whether he is interesting or not but you gotta admit he is extremely shallow &one-dimensional, he has three attribute; Ruthless, Powehungry & 100% evil. Compared to the villains in ACI whowhere very deep; even though they, according to you, did bad deads they did it with good intentions, they gave you perspective and the dialogue after you killed them was very rewarding and made you think. And all in their own special way & I remember one of them really made you think about God, life & death. Point isno one was 100% evil and I still don't know who was the good guy in that story and who was the bad. Except for Malik he was sooo kewl. Anyway that is what I call a deep unlike ACB where it's basically the cliche good vs evil where the good is 100% good & the bad 100% bad. ACI story could IMO be made into a movie or book and actually be really good if made right.

People who think AC's story is story simply do not have the brain cells to understand it or are ignorant about history. AC's storyline is the best work of historical fiction to date anywhere.

Aku101

no its called an opinion. To me its got a good idea for the story but its execution and writing is horrible in the story department. Not to mention some of the worst characters this gen. Flat and one dimensional characters that I dont care about in the least.

Nice graphics and setting but thats about all that AC offers to me. The repetative gameplay gets boring very fast, as does the lame characters.

People who think AC's story is story simply do not have the brain cells to understand it or are ignorant about history. AC's storyline is the best work of historical fiction to date anywhere.

Aku101

You sir are 33% correct.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

People who think AC's story is story simply do not have the brain cells to understand it or are ignorant about history. AC's storyline is the best work of historical fiction to date anywhere.

kozzy1234

no its called an opinion. To me its got a good idea for the story but its execution and writing is horrible in the story department. Not to mention some of the worst characters this gen.

Nice graphics and setting but thats about all that AC offers to me. The repetative gameplay gets boring very fast, as does the lame characters.

If you knew anything about history, the characters in the game(Borgias) are portrayed exactly the way they were back then. :|

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

People who think AC's story is story simply do not have the brain cells to understand it or are ignorant about history. AC's storyline is the best work of historical fiction to date anywhere.

kozzy1234

no its called an opinion. To me its got a good idea for the story but its execution and writing is horrible in the story department. Not to mention some of the worst characters this gen. Flat and one dimensional characters that I dont care about in the least.

Nice graphics and setting but thats about all that AC offers to me. The repetative gameplay gets boring very fast, as does the lame characters.

You sir are 67% correct.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

People who think AC's story is story simply do not have the brain cells to understand it or are ignorant about history. AC's storyline is the best work of historical fiction to date anywhere.

Aku101

no its called an opinion. To me its got a good idea for the story but its execution and writing is horrible in the story department. Not to mention some of the worst characters this gen.

Nice graphics and setting but thats about all that AC offers to me. The repetative gameplay gets boring very fast, as does the lame characters.

If you knew anything about history, the characters in the game(Borgias) are portrayed exactly the way they were back then. :|

I actually do know alot about history, nice try though! The game has a nice IDEA for the story, but the actual writing and storytelling is not very good at all.

its like they said "here is a great setting and idea for the story.... do your thing to it!" and then the person totalyl messed it up with flat characters and a boring story in an otherwise awesome setting.

When I play AC I honestly dont care about any of the characters, they are not interesting at all.

There is so much there in AC for an awesome game but that awesome game just hasnt been reached yet imo. They need to focuse more on characters, story and gameplay instead of flashy graphics. I want to be pulled into the story and really feel like I am playing the role of this character. As it is now its just repetative game with horrible characters and a good idea for a story wasted.

Just my honest opinion, I own the first two AC games and I want the series to be awesome but I just have not seen an awesome game out of this seris yet.

Way to much fighting and not enough character development, fleshed out story, more variety in gameplay or well written dialogue imo. The series just hasnt hit its full ptential imo, its jsut way to much boring fighting.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

What was same thing? I really hope you're not referring to the story or characters. Wut? I don't think side missions are that important. They're often pretty shallow anyway. Instead if they make the main missions deeper and incorproate side missions within the main mission I think that's even better if u understand me(I think they did this pretty well in AC2 if I remember correctly). But yeah didn't say ACI was perfect but it was such a good starting point that they totally ruined especially with brotherhood. Climbing has only gotten more unrealistic.

Yes Altair did that but he was taken down to earth and developsfrom that andif you remember correctly he was also very naive but grows from that too as each target givehim another perspective. AC2 Ezio=young and naive ACB Ezio=Old and naive, he trusts pretty much anyone he spares rodrigo and that templar assassin (even though he had no problem killin 1000 people before that)

And you forget that Ezio is actually one of the most interesting characters of ACB while Altair was the most unintresting in ACI. All the villains where more interesting with deep personalities and to you contraditing ideals and they gave perspective. Malik and Al-Mu3alim was also very interesting.

charlesdarwin55

Really? You gotta be kidding. It's of course a matter of oppinion whether he is interesting or not but you gotta admit he is extremely shallow &one-dimensional, he has three attribute; Ruthless, Powehungry & 100% evil. Compared to the villains in ACI whowhere very deep; even though they, according to you, did bad deads they did it with good intentions, they gave you perspective and the dialogue after you killed them was very rewarding and made you think. And all in their own special way & I remember one of them really made you think about God, life & death. Point isno one was 100% evil and I still don't know who was the good guy in that story and who was the bad. Except for Malik he was sooo kewl. Anyway that is what I call a deep unlike ACB where it's basically the cliche good vs evil where the good is 100% good & the bad 100% bad. ACI story could IMO be made into a movie or book and actually be really good if made right.

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

Definitely one of the better action adventure IPs this gen, but still, the combat is just balls. Exploration and tech behind it is impressive, but christ, fix the combat.

I'll agree with you on graphics for Assasins Creed 2. In some ways it definitely has better graphics than uncharted 2//killzone 2 and 3/gears/halo reach. I have all of these games so Im just telling it the way I see it. But the gameplay itself is kind of repetetive after a while. In fact Ive lost the motivation to play the game unfortunately. I think the climax was assasinating the bastard who killed your father and brothers, and that was at the very start of the game....what a dumb idea putting the climax at the start. Since then its been going downhill.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

no its called an opinion. To me its got a good idea for the story but its execution and writing is horrible in the story department. Not to mention some of the worst characters this gen.

Nice graphics and setting but thats about all that AC offers to me. The repetative gameplay gets boring very fast, as does the lame characters.

If you knew anything about history, the characters in the game(Borgias) are portrayed exactly the way they were back then. :|

I actually do know alot about history, nice try though! The game has a nice IDEA for the story, but the actual writing and storytelling is not very good at all.

its like they said "here is a great setting and idea for the story.... do your thing to it!" and then the person totalyl messed it up with flat characters and a boring story in an otherwise awesome setting.

When I play AC I honestly dont care about any of the characters, they are not interesting at all.

There is so much there in AC for an awesome game but that awesome game just hasnt been reached yet imo. They need to focuse more on characters, story and gameplay instead of flashy graphics. I want to be pulled into the story and really feel like I am playing the role of this character. As it is now its just repetative game with horrible characters and a good idea for a story wasted.

Just my honest opinion, I own the first two AC games and I want the series to be awesome but I just have not seen an awesome game out of this seris yet.

Way to much fighting and not enough character development, fleshed out story, more variety in gameplay or well written dialogue imo. The series just hasnt hit its full ptential imo, its jsut way to much boring fighting.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] I thought Cesare Borgia was the most interesting villain. Also Ezio gave a reason for keeping Rodrigo alive. I forget what the reason was though. Aku101

Really? You gotta be kidding. It's of course a matter of oppinion whether he is interesting or not but you gotta admit he is extremely shallow &one-dimensional, he has three attribute; Ruthless, Powehungry & 100% evil. Compared to the villains in ACI whowhere very deep; even though they, according to you, did bad deads they did it with good intentions, they gave you perspective and the dialogue after you killed them was very rewarding and made you think. And all in their own special way & I remember one of them really made you think about God, life & death. Point isno one was 100% evil and I still don't know who was the good guy in that story and who was the bad. Except for Malik he was sooo kewl. Anyway that is what I call a deep unlike ACB where it's basically the cliche good vs evil where the good is 100% good & the bad 100% bad. ACI story could IMO be made into a movie or book and actually be really good if made right.

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Really? You gotta be kidding. It's of course a matter of oppinion whether he is interesting or not but you gotta admit he is extremely shallow &one-dimensional, he has three attribute; Ruthless, Powehungry & 100% evil. Compared to the villains in ACI whowhere very deep; even though they, according to you, did bad deads they did it with good intentions, they gave you perspective and the dialogue after you killed them was very rewarding and made you think. And all in their own special way & I remember one of them really made you think about God, life & death. Point isno one was 100% evil and I still don't know who was the good guy in that story and who was the bad. Except for Malik he was sooo kewl. Anyway that is what I call a deep unlike ACB where it's basically the cliche good vs evil where the good is 100% good & the bad 100% bad. ACI story could IMO be made into a movie or book and actually be really good if made right.

charlesdarwin55

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

TheEroica

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

Care to elaborate?

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

TheEroica

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

Ok this is like lol.

I didn't know KZ3 was out yet.

ACB

The good:

• Parkour
• Graphics
• Setting
• Music
• Multiplayer

The bad:

• Crappiest story of all time, including characters
• Crappy voice acting
• Tons of framerate issues
• Not enough stealth (it's more a matter of taking your army and beat the crap out of another army)
• Combat is so easy it gets boring fast
• Annoying missions (i.e. some missions you get desychronized if one guardsees you 1 sec before he dies but it's no problem leaving 5 corpses for everyone to see)
• Lots of freezing (for me anyway)

Now look at ACI

The good:

• Excellent story
• Parkour
• Graphics
• Setting
• Music

At least better than ACB:

• Although not fully deveoped system you had to plan your missions and be careful and use stealth
• Combat not fully developed either but more challenging than now.
  The bad:
• No day night cycle
• No swimming
• Maybe not enough to do besides the main mission.

So the only thing that ACB has added is multiplayer cause all this;

• Day night cycle
• Swimming
• Enough to do besides the main mission
  + more was added in ACII

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Really? You gotta be kidding. It's of course a matter of oppinion whether he is interesting or not but you gotta admit he is extremely shallow &one-dimensional, he has three attribute; Ruthless, Powehungry & 100% evil. Compared to the villains in ACI whowhere very deep; even though they, according to you, did bad deads they did it with good intentions, they gave you perspective and the dialogue after you killed them was very rewarding and made you think. And all in their own special way & I remember one of them really made you think about God, life & death. Point isno one was 100% evil and I still don't know who was the good guy in that story and who was the bad. Except for Malik he was sooo kewl. Anyway that is what I call a deep unlike ACB where it's basically the cliche good vs evil where the good is 100% good & the bad 100% bad. ACI story could IMO be made into a movie or book and actually be really good if made right.

charlesdarwin55

Yes, let's make rodrigo and cesare brogia have more depth to them and make them have redeemable qualities so to not be cliche, even if historical accounts prove that they were complete utter dbags. :roll:

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

1. We're talking about characters, so your point is invalid.

2. The Borgia family were known for their incestual relations, nepotism, extreme hedonism etc. Just because you don't find repulsive qualities interesting doesn't mean the characters are uninteresting. Maybe you prefer cliche qualities such as characters being emo and filled with angst but yet are geniuses etc found in many garbage yet popular JRPGs and anime.

3. The Borgias are the most interesting villains in gaming to date. Rodrigo having sex with his daughter Lucrezia isn't an interesting fact? Well now you know.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

1) Does history also prove that beneath the vatican you can go and chat with alien minerva?

2) History doesn't say anything. I'm sure even he had some interesting qualities.

3) How about using another villain then? Someone interesting.

charlesdarwin55

Care to elaborate?