[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] yes I would... The story behind Assassins creed is gripping in many respects... its weaving of history and fiction, its constant feeling of chasing the carrot at the end of the stick and its ability to create a world within a world to what end is becoming filled with intrigue and fueled by fantastic characters (yes, ezio whether you like it or not is one of the best characters this generation) and beautiful flowing design that adds to the stories thick plot. Its not a series that rests on graphics, or gimicks or any one device, but instead laces every fine characteristic of gaming together to an incredibly high quality. If you want to "lol" at my killzone3 comment, then fine... yup havent played it yet, but from most every account, the space nazi theme is quite a bit tired and weak, but if thats your thing than good luck to you. If you cant see the correlation with raising historical conspiracies, secret societies and the second guessing of the world we live in and the "history" we believe as dictated in such books as the da vinci code, than great... im not about to read you a bedtime story to bring you up to speed... but if you want to look at the climate of video games and the every narrowing bridge between entertainment/art/games, then it doesnt take a rocket scientist nor a history buff to appreciate the excellent story telling in the first three chapters of these games. Its not war and peace, and its not the odyssey, but thank god in heaven its not 99% of these garbage narratives that think i must be an idiot and care nothing for spinning a good yarn... I hope in killzone 3 they kill the space nazis once and for all.... TheEroica
"its constant feeling of chasing the carrot at the end of the stick and its ability to create a world within a world to what end is becoming filled with intrigue"
Wut?
No, just no. Ezio is not even close to being one of the best characters he's much closer to the bottom. He's really one dimensional. His pretty much this:
- Naive
- Likes girls
- Walks around as if he owns the place
So if Ezio was un(?)-naive, assexual & didn't walk around not as if he owned the place... he wouldn't exist!
Pretty crappy vocieacting too.
I could have come up with Ezio too. I mean I shouldn't be able to do the job of those who work with this. In fact if you go to Italy I think pretty much every one has all those 3 attributes + much more. Definetely the avarage italian is way kewler than Ezio and with better voiceacting!
One more thing Ezio is the best character in ACB definetely that's why it's so crap. Because he takes all the space no one else get's the the time to shine(maybecause they're crappy characers anyway)& one recepie for a great story is to have a rather weak & neutral main character that are great at making all the other more colorful personalites shine. Examples:
Altair
Tintin
Natan Drake
J.D. in Scrubs,, yeah
John Marston if I remember correctly
Killzone 3:
No I didn't lol at that I just said u haven't played it. I loled at you're Da Vinci code comment. Because the Da Vinci code is WAA-he-AAAY better and deeper than this and still it's just a descent book. And really? Really? U just critisized kz 3 because of the Space Nazi thing did you even play ACB?
Alien ancient Roman deities=Space
Borgias=Nazis
"historical conspiracies, secret societies and the second guessing of the world we live in and the "history" we believe as dictated in such books as the da vinci code"
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Love this kinda stuff. Really that's why ACB is so dissapointing. 2 examples
1) If I remember correctly all the "villains" in both the Da vinci code and Angels & Deamons are actually fighting to make the world better but. They don't go around like this; mohahahaha Im so evil I gonna take over the world, give more Powa I need some Powa. No they fight for what there cause & for what they believe in.
2) These organizationsin Dan Brown's books are extremely secret and when I read the book I was thinking "wow maybe these groups exist just I don't know about them... because th're secret n all" in contrast Ezio runs around killing thousands of people in open daylight with thousands of whitnesses and all the time he's like this Everybody Im an assassino come join us please we need more members our headquarter is right over there I hope none of you are pro-borgia. It must've been pretty impossible not to know about the assassins, where they worked, who they where etc. if u lived in Rome at that time in the game. There's no mysticism at all.
Im sorry brother, I just cant agree with you on most accounts. first... Ezio shows tremendous growth as a character from being a cocky wise mouthed, basically directionless kid into becoming a dynamic character with direction and purpose and yet still maintaining at times his personality. Im sorry, but Id take Ezio over a nathan drake, marcus fenix etc, ANY DAY. we're just not gonna agree here. second... Um a little bit of a stretch dont ya think to compare killzone's litteral version of space nazi's to that of the as yet to be fleshed out story behind what lies beneath the temple alien race and the borgia? not to mention, the lengthy struggle between the templars and assassins never once created a "muhahahaha" bad guy moment, but actually lends itself more the very suggestion of what YOU speak of. Two groups who believe what they are doing being right. Do you even play the "truth" sequences and read the "historical" transcripts in the game. Its quite clear to me that the templars have been guiding history through their own terms and do so with an urgency to keep things in their control, Intervening in a way to keep THEIR peace. The Assassins on the other hand are basically on a quest for the truth and the ultimate reveal of what the real truth is. Sound familiar? now I'm no scholar, though I do posses a masters degree, im not making literal connections to the story behind the Brown books and the story of Assassins creed, but you CAN"T tell me you dont see connections throughout the story, regardless of which story you find better... "historical conspiracies, secret societies and the second guessing of the world we live in and the "history" we believe as dictated in such books as the da vinci code" These are YOUR words and yet you refuse to acknowledge the similarities between those books and those games.... just no.Meh all I see is young, naive Ezio becoming old, naive ezio yes he grew for like 10 minutes in ACII when his family got killed but after he killed that umberto guy or whatever his name was he pretty much have stayed the same, maybe even got more naive n dumber. Anyway as I told you Ezio is the most interesting character already but I think a good character in this series should have a rather neutral & discreet personality in order to have colorful sidecharacters which this game doesn't have. And that's why i brought up Drake not because I prefer him but because of his neutral personality + his humour (which is the only thing that doesn't make him a boring ghost withouth personality) he manages to get the rich gallery of colorful personalities come together nicely. But I love Nathan & do prefer him bymiles, and this right here "...Id take Ezio over a nathan drake, marcus fenix(who?) etc, ANY DAY" is BLASPHEMY.
And also it's so much focus on what a badass Ezio is. I get it he's a badass now let's move on.
Yeah obviously it's not really any space-nazis that we know of yet but it does throw in some silly sci-fi & the Borgia is pretty much nazis. No it's not the same but i saw som rewiever complain about the Helgaist being too evil & they're just evil for no reason or something like this & it's just like that in this game.
Yes in the first game that is what it was about maybe a little in the second but certanly not here. Certanly both rodrigo and cesare are doing what they're doin solely for personal gain and not to make the world better in their own way and not even for their templar cause. I never once got that impression. Whereas after every target killed in ACI I certanly did + more. That's another thing why they remove the dialouges at the end of an assassinations? probably because thwe villians just should've said "grr I wished I killed mor people" & if they said something deep Ezio should've been too naive and dumb to get it anyway.
Anyway in my oppinion in a game such as this you should feel sympathy for the bad guys you should be thinking am I on the good side or the bad side? The bad guys should be likeable persons that just have different ideas about the world than you. In this game it should be like this not if you watch a documentary about WWII or something but certanly in a game such as this.
I don't read all transcripts but many and I saw both truths yes.
"Its quite clear to me that the templars have been guiding history through their own terms and do so with an urgency to keep things in their control, Intervening in a way to keep THEIR peace. The Assassins on the other hand are basically on a quest for the truth and the ultimate reveal of what the real truth is. Sound familiar?"
This is pretty much only the first game this is not clear in brotherhood at all. And they really should've continued with this. And now we've pretty much only talked about the villains. look at the assassins they're just like the telletubbies; hello I'm Machiavelli I like hugs, Im Leonardo da vinci I like Flowers & friends & then everybody hugs. In AC there was rivalry between Malik and Altair and the their master Al-mu'alim was corrupt still it's the good side, all this gave the story so much more, i don't know the word but, let's say color.
Yes obviously there is a connection and that is why this is so dissapointing it doesn't have the same atmosphere, depth and mysticism and as I said too much good vs evil and not different idea vs idea like the Da Vinci code has IMO. But you think so so there isn't much more we could say toconvince each other I guess.
No those where your words which I quoted. Anway why you say Games, my point has always been how good ACI was.
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