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#1 Bluray001
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http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=13372

If any game on XBL would have dedicated servers, I would imagine it would be this one.

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I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.
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I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.GodofBigMacs
Every game has lag. :|
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#4 Bluray001
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I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.GodofBigMacs
Of course it lags. It's Peer to Peer. If it used dedicated servers, lag would be less significant. Why exactly is it peer to peer again?
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#5 Duckyindiana
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Ok! I'm sure almost everyone knows this the game came out ages ago are you just trying to bash the 360 with all these threads you seem to be making. Check the date of the link its from 2007!!

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#6 Floppy_Jim
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We've known about this for 2 years, why bring it up?
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#7 thelastguy
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It is sad that Sony provides dedicated servers to some first party games for free, while I pay for Live and get none

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#8 T-Aldous
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You make me want to sell my PS3.:?

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And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

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#10 AntiType
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Stevo_the_gamer
Every game has lag. :|

I don't notice any when on Warhawk's dedicated servers.

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#11 Bluray001
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We've known about this for 2 years, why bring it up?Floppy_Jim
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#12 AntiType
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And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

BioShockOwnz

umm... er... ok... 10>9.5?

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.AntiType

Every game has lag. :|

I don't notice any when on Warhawk's dedicated servers.

And I don't experience lag when I play Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 on XBL. What's your point? Because I don't experience severe lag, does that mean lag doens't exist? Wonderful logic.
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And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

BioShockOwnz

You're getting worse.

I too agree the TC was a bit silly for posting this. But the Lemming attack back? :| Nice one...

It's been known for years TC, and as stated, Halo 3 is still one of the most popular FPS online at the moment, so it really doesn't seem to affect it.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

AntiType

umm... er... ok... 10>9.5?

You're comparing a stealth game to an FPS?

GTA IV > all. :)

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="AntiType"]

Every game has lag. :|Stevo_the_gamer

I don't notice any when on Warhawk's dedicated servers.

And I don't experience lag when I play Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 on XBL. What's your point? Because I don't experience severe lag, does that mean lag doens't exist? Wonderful logic.

You don't play Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 on XBL. Both those games are Peer to Peer connections.
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Bluray001
Of course it lags. It's Peer to Peer. If it used dedicated servers, lag would be less significant. Why exactly is it peer to peer again?

it's how microsoft is like. it is a good question for that. we are paying $50, 40 a month for a peer to peer connection.
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#18 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]We've known about this for 2 years, why bring it up?Bluray001
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"We" is everyone in System Wars.
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#19 BioShockOwnz
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

jonnyt61

You're getting worse. I too agree the TC was a bit silly for posting this. But the Lemming attack back? :| Nice one...

Nope, just stating it like it is. We all know the infamous emotep (TC).

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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]We've known about this for 2 years, why bring it up?Bluray001
Who is we?

Almost everyone knows that the 360 does not use servers for its games this is not new news, you have dug up a article from 2007 just to bash the 360.
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#21 deactivated-59da85d821feb
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Yeah everybody knows this... And the only time I'v ever had lag problems with Halo 3 was when my internet provider had problems. What's your point?
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#22 AntiType
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[QUOTE="AntiType"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Every game has lag. :|Stevo_the_gamer

I don't notice any when on Warhawk's dedicated servers.

And I don't experience lag when I play Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 on XBL. What's your point? Because I don't experience severe lag, does that mean lag doens't exist? Wonderful logic.

My point is that not every game has (noticeable) lag.

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#23 clone01
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Bluray001
Of course it lags. It's Peer to Peer. If it used dedicated servers, lag would be less significant. Why exactly is it peer to peer again?

i've almost never had a problem with lag.
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#24 AntiType
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[QUOTE="AntiType"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

BioShockOwnz

umm... er... ok... 10>9.5?

You're comparing a stealth game to an FPS?

GTA IV > all. :)

Going by your post... I thought you were a person who only understands gamespot scores. What... now they are meaningless? How do I talk to you?

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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Bluray001
Of course it lags. It's Peer to Peer. If it used dedicated servers, lag would be less significant. Why exactly is it peer to peer again?

xbox live has never been p2p most people who claim that it is a p2p network don't even know what a p2p network structure is.
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#26 turaaggeli
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http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=13372

If any game on XBL would have dedicated servers, I would imagine it would be this one.

Bluray001
You again?
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#27 angelkimne
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Thanks for telling me this. In the 1 and a half years since Halo 3 came out I never once realised or had anyone tell me. :|
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And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

BioShockOwnz
argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5
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Well done TC, youre only about two years late
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#30 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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My point is that not every game has (noticeable) lag.AntiType
During some time, there will be. Dedicated servers are not immune to such, they help reduce lag but lag will still -- and it most certainly does -- occur. There's so many variables that affect latency, most of which I won't waste my time explaining to you.
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#31 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Stevo_the_gamer
Every game has lag. :|

High def CHI servers are getting close to LAN level.
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Stevo_the_gamer
Every game has lag. :|

not resistance 2/fall of man. idk what insomniac do there. it has 0 lag.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

Supa__Mario
argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5

Nope, thats not an argument. Sorry.
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Stevo_the_gamer
Every game has lag. :|

I get 5 ping playing dedicated servers on TF2. P2P is the worst way to get a game going.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

Supa__Mario

argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5

Well when you correct for inflation a 9.5 would be much more than a 9.5 today. I think it would be nearing 10...

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#36 AntiType
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[QUOTE="AntiType"]My point is that not every game has (noticeable) lag.Stevo_the_gamer
During some time, there will be. Dedicated servers are not immune to such, they help reduce lag but lag will still -- and it most certainly does -- occur. There's so many variables that affect latency, most of which I won't waste my time explaining to you.

True.

Is a dedicated server model vs a peer to peer model one if these variables?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] High def CHI servers are getting close to LAN level.

Is that so? Nevertheless, lag would still most certainly exist. ;)
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#38 Bluray001
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Peer to Peer = Having a friend come over for dinner and cooking dinner for him/her yourself.

Dedicated server = Going to a restaurant for Dinner.

Xbox Live = Going to a restaurant for dinner, paying for it, but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own cutlery, plates and glasses. XD

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I get 5 ping playing dedicated servers on TF2. P2P is the worst way to get a game going.clembo1990
And I see other players which get in the 200 ping area -- the spot in which they're skipping about the map. Every tried killing a Pyro who's moving around like a stop-motion film?

not resistance 2/fall of man. idk what insomniac do there. it has 0 lag.SilverChimera
And let me guess: this is based off personal experience? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] High def CHI servers are getting close to LAN level.

Is that so? Nevertheless, lag would still most certainly exist. ;)

Once you get to LAN level, the only lag that exists is the lag based on controller input and computer power. But if you want to be totally technical about it, no lag will never go away.
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Stevo_the_gamer
No it's always super smooth for me. Plus I usually play as pyro and kill the laggy weaker classes.
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5

Well when you correct for inflation a 9.5 would be much more than a 9.5 today. I think it would be nearing 10...

read the review standard.....read how gamespot and many other websites base their reviews.......for example....a 10/10 game is an outstanding game compared to every other games Standards during that Time of the games release........meaning a game like mgs4 got 10/10, but if a clone of mgs4 were released today, and gave the exact same features, gameplay, visuals, fun, etc......it still wouldnt get a 10/10 now........
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#43 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5Supa__Mario

Well when you correct for inflation a 9.5 would be much more than a 9.5 today. I think it would be nearing 10...

read the review standard.....read how gamespot and many other websites base their reviews.......for example....a 10/10 game is an outstanding game compared to every other games Standards during that Time of the games release........meaning a game like mgs4 got 10/10, but if a clone of mgs4 were released today, and gave the exact same features, gameplay, visuals, fun, etc......it still wouldnt get a 10/10 now........

lol.....inflation.......whats the point of using a review system if you dont even know how it works.......
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Once you get to LAN level, the only lag that exists is the lag based on controller input and computer power. But if you want to be totally technical about it, no lag will never go away.Vandalvideo
Most fail to understand that very fundamental -- and common sense -- principle. Nevertheless, how rare must these servers be? I've heard nothing of the such.

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No it's always super smooth for me. Plus I usually play as pyro and kill the laggy weaker classes.clembo1990
Your experience =/= what I'll and others will experience. Understand?
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#46 bobbetybob
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Why do people constantly make out like dedicated servers and wired internet are massively superior. Unless you measure the speed the game is going at you can barely tell a difference, and don't use the "but teh competitive gaming needs quick internets!" excuse, because none of us are playing competitive gaming.
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#47 ParadiddleFill
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Peer to Peer = Having a friend come over for dinner and cooking dinner for him/her yourself.

Dedicated server = Going to a restaurant for Dinner.

Xbox Live = Going to a restaurant for dinner, paying for it, but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own cutlery, plates and glasses. XD

Bluray001

you do understand that xbox live does NOT use a p2p network structure right? P2P means that all clients that participate in the data exchange act as both client and server which means there is NO host. Games played over xbox live provides hosts and everyone that connects to them are the clients which meanas that unlike a p2p network they dont share their a cumulative bandwidth. Thats why the have something called "host advantage", also in order a p2p network would provide alot of hassle to those operating behind a NAT enabled router, whcih means everyone who wants to connect to a game would need to port foward etc

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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]I'm not surprised, considering how Halo 3 is only 16 players, yet it still has lag that people complain about.Stevo_the_gamer
Every game has lag. :|

not really
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Once you get to LAN level, the only lag that exists is the lag based on controller input and computer power. But if you want to be totally technical about it, no lag will never go away.Stevo_the_gamer

Most fail to understand that very fundamental -- and common sense -- principle. Nevertheless, how rare must these servers be? I've heard nothing of the such.

Not entirely sure. All I know is my clan's sponsor gave us one. I'm pretty sure only richies and big clans have them.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

And yet it's the most played exclusive FPS on console and it's praised for its multiplayer. Cows are really digging hard, aren't they. 9.5 > 9.0's. :lol:

Supa__Mario

argubly....2009....9....>......2007.....9.5

Shooter standards haven't changed.

Halo 3 is still the #1 most played console exclusive.