OnLive: I'm in... and it's pretty sweet

[QUOTE="zyrumtumtuggerd"]That wattage is still being used, in fact more is being used because they need to transmit all that information over to your computer. And you're not getting the power of a $2000 computer, $600 tops. Sniping_Crowbar

um im pretty sure a netbook dosn't use as much power as a gaming PC does, im sorry but where is your textbook chapter that ays becasue they are streaming internetz you use more power, if that were true his netbook would melt. Either way I would rahter prefer owning my own PC since everything i install on it I own, i don't have to worry about paying a monthly subscription jsut to play games, even if the first year of gaming is free, all the years after that, if you cant pay the fee then what you can't play your games. Also no mods, how do you do multiplayer, can you play with other onlive users is there cross platform multiplayer. I think the games they ofer right now you can just get on steam for very cheap or you'd be better off getting a console.

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

Let me get this straight if I fail to pay the monthly fee or OnLive fails, I lose all the games that I bought BLEH NO TY.:P

subrosian

I'd love to see OnLive do this kind of quality:

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

Let me get this straight if I fail to pay the monthly fee or OnLive fails, I lose all the games that I bought BLEH NO TY.:P

subrosian

um im pretty sure a netbook dosn't use as much power as a gaming PC doesSniping_Crowbar

[QUOTE="Sniping_Crowbar"]um im pretty sure a netbook dosn't use as much power as a gaming PC doessubrosian

Proof (I had from an old thread):

$593.93

• Windows 7
• Case
• 585watt PSU
• AM2+ mobo
• 2 GB DDR2 800
• AMD 2.5ghz Quad Core Black Edition
• ATI 5770 1GB DDR5
• Keyboard + Mouse
• 250GB HDD 7200RPM
• Wireless card
• DVD RW

looks very good, Im hoping Verizon buys it

It seems good for people who can't afford to invest several hundred dollars on a gaming system and would rather pay a small fee over time. That's assuming the service doesn't shut down too soon.

They have already hired people to spam the forums with pro-OnLIVE stories and the like, they are paying for viral marketing already, so I can't imagine how it's going to get worse when they're actually ramping up the campaign.subrosian

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Oonga"]

I seriously cannot see why anyone would use this service. Such a big waste.

Why would you want 'virtually zero controller lag' when you can have no controller lag?

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="subrosian"] Neither of these cases is true, as both STEAM and the publisher have extended rights to you vis-a-vis your ownership of a license for the game. In both cases you have legally defined and protected rights that you can take into a courtroom and convert int either the service require or damages. OnLIVE does not sell you a license to the game, they instead give you a "play card" for said game, similar to a LAN Center, with no set expiration date. You literally have NO RIGHTs with OnLIVE, whereas your full legal righs are retained with both steam and a physical disk purchase. The SCAM is an investor scam. Unless you were one of the companies that paid OnLIVE to help start them out, the primary scam on your end is that you wind up paying more money for the same content (full retail versus online discounts), don't own anything, pay $15 a month to access something that is available elsewhere for free, and support a company run by a thief. You're just getting ripped off. If you think WOW is a ripoff too, great, that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, the point is that OnLIVE is a ripoff.subrosian

"But let's suppose OnLive has a PC exclusive (or PC/360 game, and you only have a PS3) that you would like to try out, but you don't have a powerful enough computer to play it and you'd rather not purchase new hardware. All you'd have to do now is sign up for a one month subscription (which appears to only be $5 now) and then rent the game for $5. If used appropriately, OnLive could be a great addition to a gamer's available options."

Even if OnLive stays at its original price of $15/month. Let's say OnLive has 3 PC exclusive games you always wanted to try but never could. You can rent and beat all 3 of them in a month for $5 each. You just avoided having to buying a gaming rig and then having to purchase 3 games which you didn't actually want to permanently purchase (keeping in mind that the rental market does not exist for PC games!)

those resolution look worse than n xbox 360. Youd really be etter off with a cnsole my freind if you can't afford a gaming PC.

Sniping_Crowbar

They run 720p, but the image quality is a little bit lower. I signed up because you get a free year service and a free game. I have a 360 and I'm in a the process of rebuilding my PC after my psu fried out and took my asus p5nd-sli mobo and 2600xt with it. Probably gonna get a 5750 later this year if I can find one with a good rebate deal.

In the OnLive email I think they said it would be $4.95/month after the first year. That's not bad. I was talking with some people about the possibility of OnLive getting picked up by Comcast or the like. That would be a better fit.

Overall, they have to let you download the game and stream game. Otherwise there's way too much risk for the end user. Maybe we'll see a service like this from Steam in the future. I'd bite.

Could you please respond to this, if OnLive is such a bad deal 100% of the time?SakusEnvoy

Could you stick to using one account or the other? It gets odd seeing your username change between posts. OnLIVE isn't a good deal for the rental market either because the costs are too high, the quality is too low, the service is questionable (ignoring short-term discounts, it will cost $15 for the month, plus the variable amount to rent the game for 3 days) -and- the game selection is extremely limited. For the cost of an OnLIVE rental, it's often possible to *buy* most of the software in question. For mainstream games, demos are widely available, for the obscure games, they won't be on OnLIVE.

It's not the service that solves the PC rental "problem".

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]Could you please respond to this, if OnLive is such a bad deal 100% of the time?subrosian

Could you stick to using one account or the other? It gets odd seeing your username change between posts. OnLIVE isn't a good deal for the rental market either because the costs are too high, the quality is too low, the service is questionable (ignoring short-term discounts, it will cost $15 for the month, plus the variable amount to rent the game for 3 days) -and- the game selection is extremely limited. For the cost of an OnLIVE rental, it's often possible to *buy* most of the software in question. For mainstream games, demos are widely available, for the obscure games, they won't be on OnLIVE.

It's not the service that solves the PC rental "problem".

Most new games can't be bought for $5 - you could sit, wait and hope to luck out on some weekend Steam deal, but usually new games cost $50. Eventually they drop to $20-30. Those are the standard prices on Steam.

Even assuming that was an option, my point is that you don't own a gaming rig capable of playing the game in 720p. Nor do you want to go out and pay for one.

Here's what the theoretical costs would be for playing through 3 new PC exclusive games:

1. Purchase of a gaming rig ($500)

2. Purchase of each title, since they can't be rented (at least $20, more likely $40)

Here's what the theoretical cost would be for playing through 3 new PC exclusives on OnLive, via rental:

1. Purchase of a one-month subscription ($5-15)

2. Rental of each title (~$5)

I admit the gaming selection is limited on OnLive. But they have 2 years to fix it as they work through their "Founders program". I would suggest they concentrate on putting up 360/PC games and PC exclusives.

@SakusEnvoy

Um you put the price of a computer on basic pc gaming but didn't in the Onlive service. Just buy a 500 dollar desktop or 600 dollar laptop or upgrade your older desktop with a newer video card (many games these day work well on the same quality of onlive with a p4 and a nominal new video card)and enjoy the games in a quality equal or better then what Onlive provides while giving you a vast larger selection of games. Thats just my feelings on that. The quality i'm seeing on onlive looks worst then my secondary system of a pentium 4 2.8 ghz ht, 2 gigs ram and a 9600 gso with windows xp which is a extremely cheap system.

@SakusEnvoy

Um you put the price of a computer on basic pc gaming but didn't in the Onlive service. Just buy a 500 dollar desktop or 600 dollar laptop or upgrade your older desktop with a newer video card (many games these day work well on the same quality of onlive with a p4 and a nominal new video card)and enjoy the games in a quality equal or better then what Onlive provides while giving you a vast larger selection of games. Thats just my feelings on that. The quality i'm seeing on onlive looks worst then my secondary system of a pentium 4 2.8 ghz ht, 2 gigs ram and a 9600 gso with windows xp which is a extremely cheap system.

jedikevin2

There is an audience. It's not a scam. There's room for improvement. That's all I'm trying to say.

I think the potential would be even higher if they stick to the idea of $5/month subscriptions (which they appear to be).

It's not a scam.SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]It's not a scam.SteveTabernacle

Let me be clear: I would never buy a game on OnLive. Nor would I ever stay permanently subscribed to it. I would take advantage of it as a rental service, which is what I think they should've been concentrating on all along. And I sincerely hope the people who posted screenshots in this thread were renting games, not buying them.

You got me, I do work for OnLive.SakusEnvoy

There is a serious problem with the fundamental thinking that goes into this type of "service". Lets say onlive is a huge success and dominates the industry in the future(don't worry it won't), this service would effectively give publishers and especailly the onlive company the means to fleece gamers far, far worse than anything we have seen before. Not only do you never actually own anything at all for your money, but at some point they could easily turn this into a total pay to play system much like Activision would love to do for MW. Essentially you would have to buy time constantly like an MMO but for single player/mp instead of paying a set fee like retail they could easily start to charge you per week/hour. They would remove the one time payment option and all you would be left with is the ability to rent again and again, and they could and would do this as soon as most of the competition was removed. So if you want to keep playing your favorite games single player or regular mp like we have now you have to buy time for each game and this "gametime" may not even be weekly it could very well be hourly. So if you want to play Crysis 3 single player you have to purchase blocks of time say ten dollars for one hour of gametime. There would be nothing to stop them from doing this. Very bad idea imo.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]until they offer you the chance to actually OWN the game you BOUGHT, this service is a horrible horrible idea. Why would you pay full price for a game you are essentially RENTING?SquatsAreAwesom

I like to own the physical media when it comes to console games. They'll need to be around for a while and stay successful before I consider it. Even for PC, I like Steam, a lot. One of the best things about PC gaming for me also is tweaking your rig, the customization of everything. On Live just seems to throw all of that out the window. Not my thing.

For the last time, OnLIVE is not STEAM. PERIOD. I know Steve Perlman... trust me, the goal of this company is to screw people over. If you don't get that, you don't know Steve Perlman. If this were heck, he'd be the guy holding the pitchfork. The goal of OnLIVE is to get bought up by an ISP as quickly as possible. If the consumers get completely screwed over in the process, he doesn't care. Unlike STEAM, you literally have no legally protected rights when you get involved with OnLIVE. It IS a scam, from the legal and business perspectives. If you care about your wallet *at all* stay away from it. If you can get a better deal on Amazon, do it. If you can get a better deal at Best Buy, do it. If you avoid STEAM as well *that's fine* do whatever you have to do. But stay the hell away from OnLIVE if you care about your finances. If you don't by all means, spend your money there, it's not going to be my problem when you get ripped off. However DON'T misinform people, anywhere here who is saying OnLIVE is a good deal or acceptable will get beaten down for the sake of consumer protection. They have already hired people to spam the forums with pro-OnLIVE stories and the like, they are paying for viral marketing already, so I can't imagine how it's going to get worse when they're actually ramping up the campaign. Watch your wallets people, think smart, buy the cheapest you can.subrosian

:lol:

Xbox Live trounces "OnLive".

Graphics look like crap for a super cloud computing system. Good luck Onlive... Your going to need it.

Why are people even defending this service. Buy a console or a budget gaming PC. Those screenshots look terrible, the pricing is absurd, it features borderline Ubisoft DRM... :|WhenCicadasCry

Worse than Ubisoft DRM, but I can see it's benefits as a back up service, just not one anybody would choose as their primary gaming service.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]until they offer you the chance to actually OWN the game you BOUGHT, this service is a horrible horrible idea. Why would you pay full price for a game you are essentially RENTING?HuusAsking

I have 2 mbps But even if i had 24Mbps there are alot of cons

1. Monthly feeds and you have to buy games . I already own a good pc why not buy those great steam, impulse and D2D deals ( mirror's edge is 3,5euros on steam now beat that onlive ) and own them

2. No mod support for games like Oblivion, Crysis, Fallout 3, Dragon Age, Stalker games and other games. Play Fallout 3+Fook mod or Stalker+complete mod and then compare them with vanilla games. Or Crysis which has more than 1000 free maps available to download

3. Lag. You can have the best connection but there will always be lag since there are alot of parameters to deal with and not just from your part

4. Graphics. That pics looks way worst than what i play them on my pc and that is with a 2,5 years old 8800gt let alone something like a GTX275 or a 5850

5. Requires constant internet connection . I can live with something like steam which it has an offline mode or even better impulse that the only time you are gonna use internet is to download the game but constant internet connection major drawback for me ( i cant play on my laptop when travelling )

6.Less games available ( much less games available ). You have an amazing library that goes as back as the 80's and even older console games on Pc thanks to services like Steam, Impulse, Gamersgate, Gog ( good old games ), abandonware ( a site dedicated to abandonware ), D2D, Metaboli and other services

A big pass

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

amaneuvering

720p at console settings at best. .

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

ianuilliam

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

amaneuvering

-No mods
-Dependant on some company staying alive for your games
-Always online
-Crappy quality
-Expensive

If thats the future if gaming I'll pass...

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

HuusAsking

Technically you can play this on your iPhone.SquatsAreAwesom

Technically, what OnLIVE offers is barely playable on PC. Good luck getting it to work with the bandwidth costs, bandwidth limitations and battery life of the iPhone. Plus, why on earth would I pay any amount of money to OnLIVE to *never actually own a game* when the iPhone has tons of free and low cost games already available? Browse the app store some time, no iPhone user needs to put up with OnLIVE's bull.

Scam, scam, scammity scam. So how long until OnLIVE goes belly-up and with it the access to full-priced games that anyone they con gets? Five years? How long does it continue after it gets sold to an ISP in a year or two? Oh, and what happens when that ISP won't let people on other ISPs access their service? Fun times, fun times indeed.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

chaplainDMK

-No mods
-Dependant on some company staying alive for your games
-Always online
-Crappy quality
-Expensive

If thats the future if gaming I'll pass...

All of those downsides (except for mods, of course) can be applied to streaming movies, which many people here will agree is the future of movies.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

penguindude5

-No mods
-Dependant on some company staying alive for your games
-Always online
-Crappy quality
-Expensive

If thats the future if gaming I'll pass...

All of those downsides (except for mods, of course) can be applied to streaming movies, which many people here will agree is the future of movies.

Seriously guys.

This is a look at the future of gaming, a big part of it anyway, and you're afraid of it.

amaneuvering