OnLive...what exactly are you getting for your $15 a month?

I am interested in this new system/application.....what ever you want to call it. They want to bill you $15.00 a month to stream games...but do you pay or rent games separately from the monthly charge? I dont understand.

$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....alextherussian

And people complain about $35-$40 for live I wonder what they will think about this. Of course if the games are dirt cheap then it could catch on. The games better be$30 dollars or less or it won't catch on at all.

You basically get their version of Xbox Live Gold membership for $15. At that price point I don't think this is going to work, if Onlive isn't going to include games. MMOs are $15 but at least you're paying to play. Xbox Live Gold is just to play online. For $15 you basically get a chance to use the service and buy games.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....3rdbass

And people complain about $35-$40 for live I wonder what they will think about this. Of course if the games are dirt cheap then it could catch on. The games better be$30 dollars or less or it won't catch on at all.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....3rdbass

And people complain about $35-$40 for live I wonder what they will think about this. Of course if the games are dirt cheap then it could catch on. The games better be$30 dollars or less or it won't catch on at all.

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[QUOTE="alextherussian"]$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....alextherussian

And people complain about $35-$40 for live I wonder what they will think about this. Of course if the games are dirt cheap then it could catch on. The games better be$30 dollars or less or it won't catch on at all.

I still don't think the games are going to be around $30. They will probably be around $50 so it will fail hard. I just don't see this catching on at all. Sorry at least with Steam you can have the games on your computer to play offline whenever you like. I would hate to have to rely on a intenet connection to play my games all the time. Epic Fail right now.

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

I still don't think the games are going to be around $30. They will probably be around $50 so it will fail hard. I just don't see this catching on at all. Sorry at least with Steam you can have the games on your computer to play offline whenever you like. I would hate to have to rely on a intenet connection to play my games all the time. Epic Fail right now.

3rdbass

The legality behind what you buy on Online will be really interesting to look into. That being said were both just guessing right now. I dont know how much a game will cost on the system so I cant really pass judgement.

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In terms of overall being on the Internet I just dont see this as a problem. Its a plus acutally (or at least can be argued as one). For those with desktops you are limited to playing your games only at home. If you spend say a weekend away from home. Or are at work, in lectures or wherever you are outside your house you cannot play those games. With onlive you could....

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

dommeus

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

dommeus

I am interested in this new system/application.....what ever you want to call it. They want to bill you $15.00 a month to stream games...but do you pay or rent games separately from the monthly charge? I dont understand.

Videodogg

It's basically a pay service ($15 a month) to play games without a console or having to upgrade your PC. You have to pay additional to rent or buy a game (the $15 a month does not cover games). To simplify the service provided, the game is processed at the company's servers & streamed directly to your monitor/tv & you just play pick up the controller & play it.

[QUOTE="3rdbass"]I still don't think the games are going to be around $30. They will probably be around $50 so it will fail hard. I just don't see this catching on at all. Sorry at least with Steam you can have the games on your computer to play offline whenever you like. I would hate to have to rely on a intenet connection to play my games all the time. Epic Fail right now.

alextherussian

The legality behind what you buy on Online will be really interesting to look into. That being said were both just guessing right now. I dont know how much a game will cost on the system so I cant really pass judgement.

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In terms of overall being on the Internet I just dont see this as a problem. Its a plus acutally (or at least can be argued as one). For those with desktops you are limited to playing your games only at home. If you spend say a weekend away from home. Or are at work, in lectures or wherever you are outside your house you cannot play those games. With onlive you could....

While I agree that neither of us know all the facts so it is hard to pass judgement but I just see this being a niched product right now due to monthly fee, intenet capabilities of most people(there are quite a few console users who don't even have intenet access), and just sentiment of owning a physical game. I do think we will see this model working eventually but I just don't see it in the forseeable future.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....3rdbass

What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? That fee for OnLive will allow them to continuously upgrade their hardware to always provide the best technology available. Games will always look top notch, et cetera.

While I agree that neither of us know all the facts so it is hard to pass judgement but I just see this being a niched product right now due to monthly fee, intenet capabilities of most people(there are quite a few console users who don't even have intenet access), and just sentiment of owning a physical game. I do think we will see this model working eventually but I just don't see it in the forseeable future.

3rdbass

Fully agree.

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haha I think this might be one of the first peaceful debates I have ever had on SW...

Its either going to fail or have a small user base.

They didn't say if that $15 a month gets you HD video feed or SD.

Good luck... It was a good idea. But how you are doing it doesn't make sense.

OnLive has always sounded like:

A) A really cool, bleeding-edge idea.
B) A big, stinky heap of failure.
C) All of the above.

The tech powering it is cool, definitely, but I am not getting anywhere near it for a very, very long time.

Well i think it's like monthly cost of server place thats is much powerfull then your old PC :)

People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

dommeus

Yea, um, that's ridiculous. So they are expected to hand out the games for free whilst performing hardware upgrades to make the latest and greatest games shine all for a measly $15/month? Now that is a joke.

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That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

Hexagon_777

Yea, um, that's ridiculous. So they are expected to hand out the games for free whilst performing hardware upgrades to make the latest and greatest games shine all for a measly $15/month? Now that is a joke.

People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.

Mystic-G

People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.

Mystic-G

I learned that people talk bad things about new things and it becomes something big... lot of you don't know how market works, this might work.... do you guys ever expected Wii to be so successful? i remember what press it got when ti was called Nintendo Revolution.

We just need to wait and see and time will show, Google pushing to cloud computering too, it might create some sort of market

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People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.

alextherussian

People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.Mystic-G

So games alone are supposed to fund the service whilst covering all other costs? Doesn't sound likely.

[QUOTE="dommeus"]

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

Hexagon_777

Yea, um, that's ridiculous. So they are expected to hand out the games for free whilst performing hardware upgrades to make the latest and greatest games shine all for a measly $15/month? Now that is a joke.

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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

That's a bit of a joke. I figured the games would be free and the subscription would cover the cost of it all. Definitely avoiding this now.

fiyerman48

Yea, um, that's ridiculous. So they are expected to hand out the games for free whilst performing hardware upgrades to make the latest and greatest games shine all for a measly $15/month? Now that is a joke.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.Hexagon_777

So games alone are supposed to fund the service whilst covering all other costs? Doesn't sound likely.

"That price "provides access to an ever-increasing library of high-end, new release game content and a host of exclusive community feature such as Brag Clips and massive spectating," said COO Mike McGarvey "Individual titles will be available for purchase or rental on an a la carte basis. Specific game pricing, including rentals,purchases and loyalty programs, will be announced prior to the consumer launch event at E3. We'll also be announcing additional loyalty and discount programs for consumers in the coming months."

I won't used this service, not in this decade at least. A streamed game will never look as good as the same in real time. Just look at a 1080p Crysis video on Youtube. It doesn't look nowhere near as good as the real thing.

$15 does not include games as I understand it. Whether you rent or buy I am unsure, but the $15 is your connection fee only....alextherussian

And people complain about $35-$40 for live I wonder what they will think about this. Of course if the games are dirt cheap then it could catch on. The games better be$30 dollars or less or it won't catch on at all.

I won't used this service, not in this decade at least. A streamed game will never look as good as the same in real time. Just look at a 1080p Crysis video on Youtube. It doesn't look nowhere near as good as the real thing.

RyuRanVII

It's YouTube only supports 720p? Also don't expect 1080p on OnLive, even On Demend it's hard to find any 1080p video

I don't think anyone is dumb enough to charge $15 a month AND charge you for the games, also. MortalDecay

Hmmm...

However, that $14.95 per month fee "does not include the purchase or rental of games," according to the company, which has yet to specify purchase or rental prices.ShackNews

I win.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]People are either forgetting or don't know that OnLive also takes profit out of each game sold on their service.Mystic-G

It does. The lack of expertise required and the introduction of additional convenience will surely persuade some.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]So games alone are supposed to fund the service whilst covering all other costs? Doesn't sound likely.Hexagon_777

It does. The lack of expertise required and the introduction of additional convenience will surely persuade some.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]I don't think anyone is dumb enough to charge $15 a month AND charge you for the games, also. Mystic-G

Hmmm...

However, that $14.95 per month fee "does not include the purchase or rental of games," according to the company, which has yet to specify purchase or rental prices.ShackNews

I win.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Even if the whole business model has no flaw, it doesn't benefit the consumer anymore as opposed to say... playing on a console or gaming pc.Mystic-G

That's oversimplifying it. Take the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 for example. Loads of different versions with some feature differences that may have a severe impact on purchasing decisions. OnLive doesn't bother you with the hardware aspect for it does it for you, even upgrading it for you when the need arises.

For how much it costs, you might as well just buy your own consoles and get a new graphics card for your computer.

Not to mention, youtube 720p quality is quite bad.

MS charges $4 a month.... Get over it, and move on. Next, they need to chose their wording better next time. I never seen that article you just posted. It must be sad that you have to declare that you win something on the internet. :)MortalDecay

Cept, you actually own the games you buy on console.

1) You can no longer play games you bought, online or offline, if you don't continuously pay your $180 a year. (Makes that Gold membership look cheap)
2) If the service were to fail, you're SOL
3) Internet connection fails so do your games (ApocolyPS3 anyone?)

I didn't mention potential bandwidth cap issues with your ISP since I dunno how much is actually being streamed. Also, people piss and moan about Live all the time for it to be free considering its top rival is free.

What do I think you will get out of your 15.00 a month? A lag-fest that will be doomed to failure straight out of the gate. The Webtv of gaming right here, folks. After all, it was created by the same guy.

What do I think you will get out of your 15.00 a month? A lag-fest that will be doomed to failure straight out of the gate. The Webtv of gaming right here, folks. After all, it was created by the same guy.

ironcreed

Wall OnLive is corporation with CEO, so i would not say same guy

That's $180 a year. Not too bad considering that the Xbox 360 cost $400 at launch and the PlayStation 3 managed a hefty $600. Strangely enough, I still have to buy games separately for those two.

That's $180 a year. Not too bad considering that the Xbox 360 cost $400 at launch and the PlayStation 3 managed a hefty $600. Strangely enough, I still have to buy games separately for those two.

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]That's $180 a year. Not too bad considering that the Xbox 360 cost $400 at launch and the PlayStation 3 managed a hefty $600. Strangely enough, I still have to buy games separately for those two.Mystic-G

Just comparing launches. Don't try to ignore the past. People paid $50 a month for the PlayStation 3 and $33.3 a month for the Xbox 360 (excluding online fees). Even if the Xbox 360 is $300 now, that's $25 a month (excluding online fees) and that is without hardware upgrades or anything of the sort and you still have to pay for games separately.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]That's $180 a year. Not too bad considering that the Xbox 360 cost $400 at launch and the PlayStation 3 managed a hefty $600. Strangely enough, I still have to buy games separately for those two.Hexagon_777

Just comparing launches. Don't try to ignore the past. People paid $50 a month for the PlayStation 3 and $33.3 a month for the Xbox 360 (excluding online fees). Even if the Xbox 360 is $300 now, that's $25 a month (excluding online fees) and that is without hardware upgrades or anything of the sort and you still have to pay for games separately.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Except... 360 and PS3 both cost $300 now. ($300 for the 360 that's worth buying anyway) Don't try to live up a choice that isn't relevant here and now. Mystic-G

Where did I mention that it will go down? I am just saying that if people were and still are willing to pay what they pay for consoles, then OnLive will be no different. It's a sly, little double standard that I uncovered. Go me.

The games cost money and then you can play them all you want. You can play games without using a disc or anything. You can play crysis on very high with just a tiny little thing. No hardware needed.

For some reason all this talk makes me think OnLive is the new generation of the Arcade.