Oprah and the Kinect, Gaming is dead

The "gaming" market is just as big as the" oprah" market, as shown by all the people who own a ps3 and 360. Worst case scenario is some other company will come in and scoop us up after we've been foolishly cast aside.

I doubt most of those people in the audinceeven know how to hook it up to their TV.

Anyway, like I said before, itll sell well at first, but probaly die down from then on wehn peopel realize the Software is lacking. and thats not even taking into account that this thing could be broken tech wise when it launches.

Here we go again, yet another thread about how casuals and motion controllers are destroying gaming.:roll:

When will people get it through their heads that gaming is a hobby that is supposed to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select minority? Even if Kinect succeeds, it does not mean the traditional controller is obsolete or "hardcore" games will suddenly disappear. Why can't people just let people enjoy Kinect or motion controllers?

If someone enjoys playing Wii Sports Resort, then what's the problem? Ins't the point of playing video games to have fun? How are they any less deserving of enjoying gaming then a person who enjoys Halo, God of War, or Final Fantasy?

Oh, and I got a little note for the TC. The old issues of Nintendo Power used to profile celebrities who played the NES like Jay Leno and Will Smith.

But Oprah promoting Kinect is suddenly killing gaming?

Here we go again, yet another thread about how casuals and motion controllers are destroying gaming.:roll:

When will people get it through their heads that gaming is a hobby that is supposed to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select minority? Even if Kinect succeeds, it does not mean the traditional controller is obsolete or "hardcore" games will suddenly disappear. Why can't people just let people enjoy Kinect or motion controllers?

If someone enjoys playing Wii Sports Resort, then what's the problem? Ins't the point of playing video games to have fun? How are they any less deserving of enjoying gaming then a person who enjoys Halo, God of War, or Final Fantasy?

Oh, and I got a little note for the TC. The old issues of Nintendo Power used to profile celebrities who played the NES like Jay Leno and Will Smith.

But Oprah promoting Kinect is suddenly killing gaming?

caryslan2

Don't worry! OnLive is here to save the day!

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no we still ps3

It's not like Oprah sat on your Xbox and crushed it. Then gaming would be dead. For you.

wow, i think i just witnessed the death of video games R.I.P, first the wii, now the kinect, what's next, video game morphine with a mario painted syrenge? man back in my day we had the SNES, so much better than this crap.likeabrick

I agree 100% about the NES, but I also think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, based on 3DS. Sony, too, seems more game oriented.

A couple of episodes ago House was playing a fake game on an Xbox. Looks like they undid that work with Oprah's endorsement.

[QUOTE="likeabrick"]wow, i think i just witnessed the death of video games R.I.P, first the wii, now the kinect, what's next, video game morphine with a mario painted syrenge? man back in my day we had the SNES, so much better than this crap.Heirren

I agree 100% about the NES, but I also think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, based on 3DS. Sony, too, seems more game oriented.

I'm sorry, but how is gaming dead for you? Wii Party, Kinect, and other "casual" games have every right to exist if they do their job, which is to provide entertainment to people. Not everyone gets enjoyment with Halo, but does that give them the right to run around calling out Halo or God of War for killing gaming?

I don't see the issue if hardcore games are still made and traditional controllers are supported. I got news for you, gaming is not an exclusive club desgined to be enjoyed for only a select few.

If should be a form of enterainment that people can enjoy anyway they see fit.

While I'll admit its kinda neat to have a thread where you can lash out at Oprah and MS, I think the underlying fear is that one day MS might have a monopoly on the gaming industry. MS is ruthlessand there's no reason why it couldn't happen. The stakes are higher in the industry, everyone's pushing for the equivalent of a summer blockbuster movie. The valid worry is that hardcore gaming will become increasingly marginalized in favor of catering to the masses, and some of us might resign ourselves to legacy platforms in the future. I'm not saying it will happen- but there's no reason it couldn't.

Don't worry! OnLive is here to save the day!

:P

Rikusaki

Kinect will probably notsell as much as Halo, Gears or COD and then MS will see that there is more of a market in them games

no we still ps3

SILVER_X_AMMO

Dont forget move! the only motion control hardcore gamers are allowed to use.

While I'll admit its kinda neat to have a thread where you can lash out at Oprah and MS, I think the underlying fear is that one day MS might have a monopoly on the gaming industry. MS is ruthlessand there's no reason why it couldn't happen. The stakes are higher in the industry, everyone's pushing for the equivalent of a summer blockbuster movie. The valid worry is that hardcore gaming will become increasingly marginalized in favor of catering to the masses, and some of us might resign ourselves to legacy platforms in the future. I'm not saying it will happen- but there's no reason it couldn't.

NEStorianPriest

the casualization argument really is a baseless fear. As long as hardcore gamers exist and there is money to be made by catering to them, the demand will be met. Its basic capitalistic principle.

although the monopoly argument is a valid one. Competition drives innovation.... the video game market could be rather bleak without it.

So Kinect was on Oprah, who gives a ****? You think this was the first time this kind of thing was done? Honestly I think that some of you are so silly, for lack of a better word.

I'm a car guy, but I don't complain because their are family cars out there for the masses.lhughey

[QUOTE="lhughey"]I'm a car guy, but I don't complain because their are family cars out there for the masses.GearsOfWarLover

what if that car company had 37 billion dollars in cash holdings? how much do you think taking $500 million of that to launch a new product line is going to matter?

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="lhughey"]I'm a car guy, but I don't complain because their are family cars out there for the masses.markinthedark

what if that car company had 37 billion dollars in cash holdings? how much do you think taking $500 million of that to launch a new product line is going to matter?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"] what if your favorite manufacturers decides to spend most of their resources and time on family cars and push out a 500 million dollar advertisement on family cars?GearsOfWarLover

what if that car company had 37 billion dollars in cash holdings? how much do you think taking $500 million of that to launch a new product line is going to matter?

maybe you dont understand what cash holdings are... its a whole bunch of money sitting in a vault doing absolutely nothing. Microsoft has some of the most massive cash holdings of any business. The alternative is usually to just pay that money out in dividends.

You do not understand business.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

While I'll admit its kinda neat to have a thread where you can lash out at Oprah and MS, I think the underlying fear is that one day MS might have a monopoly on the gaming industry. MS is ruthlessand there's no reason why it couldn't happen. The stakes are higher in the industry, everyone's pushing for the equivalent of a summer blockbuster movie. The valid worry is that hardcore gaming will become increasingly marginalized in favor of catering to the masses, and some of us might resign ourselves to legacy platforms in the future. I'm not saying it will happen- but there's no reason it couldn't.

markinthedark

the casualization argument really is a baseless fear. As long as hardcore gamers exist and there is money to be made by catering to them, the demand will be met. Its basic capitalistic principle.

Oh, I don't think so. Video games are like everything else. Eventually it will go totally mainstream-like punk. The hardcore demographic will age out of the target market and the younger generation won't even know what hardcore is.

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

what if that car company had 37 billion dollars in cash holdings? how much do you think taking $500 million of that to launch a new product line is going to matter?

markinthedark

maybe you dont understand what cash holdings are... its a whole bunch of money sitting in a vault doing absolutely nothing. Microsoft has some of the most massive cash holdings of any business. The alternative is usually to just pay that money out in dividends.

You do not understand business.

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

what if that car company had 37 billion dollars in cash holdings? how much do you think taking $500 million of that to launch a new product line is going to matter?

markinthedark

maybe you dont understand what cash holdings are... its a whole bunch of money sitting in a vault doing absolutely nothing. Microsoft has some of the most massive cash holdings of any business. The alternative is usually to just pay that money out in dividends.

You do not understand business.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

While I'll admit its kinda neat to have a thread where you can lash out at Oprah and MS, I think the underlying fear is that one day MS might have a monopoly on the gaming industry. MS is ruthlessand there's no reason why it couldn't happen. The stakes are higher in the industry, everyone's pushing for the equivalent of a summer blockbuster movie. The valid worry is that hardcore gaming will become increasingly marginalized in favor of catering to the masses, and some of us might resign ourselves to legacy platforms in the future. I'm not saying it will happen- but there's no reason it couldn't.

NEStorianPriest

the casualization argument really is a baseless fear. As long as hardcore gamers exist and there is money to be made by catering to them, the demand will be met. Its basic capitalistic principle.

Oh, I don't think so. Video games are like everything else. Eventually it will go totally mainstream-like punk. The hardcore demographic will age out of the target market and the younger generation won't even know what hardcore is.

well yes, if the demand goes away... so will the market. But the amount of prepubescent voices on the mic in my FPS games doesnt lead me to believe that the hardcore market is in any danger.

If the wii didnt kill the hardcore market, why is there any reason to believe kinect will?

its not like any one that owns a gaming system watches oprahelbert_b_23

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

the casualization argument really is a baseless fear. As long as hardcore gamers exist and there is money to be made by catering to them, the demand will be met. Its basic capitalistic principle.

markinthedark

Oh, I don't think so. Video games are like everything else. Eventually it will go totally mainstream-like punk. The hardcore demographic will age out of the target market and the younger generation won't even know what hardcore is.

well yes, if the demand goes away... so will the market. But the amount of prepubescent voices on the mic in my FPS games doesnt lead me to believe that the hardcore market is in any danger.

If the wii didnt kill the hardcore market, why is there any reason to believe kinect will?

WhenI think hardcore I think Mega Man,Godhand, Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls. I never equated FPSs with hardcore,mainly because all you do is move an aiming recticle over someone's head. While I like some FPSs, IMO I think there are too many of them and their popularity is quashing challenge and originality in gaming.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"] That car company may have billions of dollars, but when they only produce 1 or 2 cars that are not family cars every year, then thats a huge fail right there that $500million could have been used for the car loversGearsOfWarLover

maybe you dont understand what cash holdings are... its a whole bunch of money sitting in a vault doing absolutely nothing. Microsoft has some of the most massive cash holdings of any business. The alternative is usually to just pay that money out in dividends.

You do not understand business.

But they werent going to spend it on titles we would enjoy.

Think of it like being a kid going to your parents and saying "hey dad can i have $20 for school supplies?" and he says "sure, son". Then you goto your dad the next day and say "dad can i have $20 for heroin?" and he says "no way!". The reason he wont give you $20 for heroin isnt because he already gave you $20 for school supplies, he doesnt want to give you $20 for heroin because he doesnt want you spending money on heroin.

This is essentially what the microsoft gaming division does... they go to the big daddy financial department and say "can we have some more money for exclusives?" and daddy says, no doesnt seem like a worthwhile investment. But then they go to big daddy MS and say, "can we have some money for kinect?" and they say, "sure, looks like a good business opportunity"

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

Oh, I don't think so. Video games are like everything else. Eventually it will go totally mainstream-like punk. The hardcore demographic will age out of the target market and the younger generation won't even know what hardcore is.

NEStorianPriest

well yes, if the demand goes away... so will the market. But the amount of prepubescent voices on the mic in my FPS games doesnt lead me to believe that the hardcore market is in any danger.

If the wii didnt kill the hardcore market, why is there any reason to believe kinect will?

WhenI think hardcore I think Mega Man,Godhand, Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls. I never equated FPSs with hardcore,mainly because all you do is move an aiming recticle over someone's head. While I like some FPSs, IMO I think there are too many of them and their popularity is quashing challenge and originality in gaming.

well the alternative you speak of is stifling innovation. Dont let devs try new things, because they might stop doing the old things. But such is the cost of innovation and a small one in my mind.

Look at super mario. It changed and went to a 3D platformer, alot of people liked it... some probably didnt. They stuck with that formula for a while... but then they saw some demand for a 2D throwback and created NSMB.

Would Demon Souls exist if the market wasnt constantly changing and innovating? no. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. If all the gamers who like demon souls continue to buy demon souls, nothing changes... if all the gamers who like demon souls buy demon souls and kinect... demon souls remains unaffected and the gaming market expands. If all the people who like demon souls stop buying demon souls and buy kinect instead... then you have a problem. But i dont see that last scenario as being very likely.

But they werent going to spend it on titles we would enjoy.

Think of it like being a kid going to your parents and saying "hey dad can i have $20 for school supplies?" and he says "sure, son". Then you goto your dad the next day and say "dad can i have $20 for heroin?" and he says "no way!". The reason he wont give you $20 for heroin isnt because he already gave you $20 for school supplies, he doesnt want to give you $20 for heroin because he doesnt want you spending money on heroin.

This is essentially what the microsoft gaming division does... they go to the big daddy financial department and say "can we have some more money for exclusives?" and daddy says, no doesnt seem like a worthwhile investment. But then they go to big daddy MS and say, "can we have some money for kinect?" and they say, "sure, looks like a good business opportunity"

You may be right, but im going to need a link that says that

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

well yes, if the demand goes away... so will the market. But the amount of prepubescent voices on the mic in my FPS games doesnt lead me to believe that the hardcore market is in any danger.

If the wii didnt kill the hardcore market, why is there any reason to believe kinect will?

markinthedark

WhenI think hardcore I think Mega Man,Godhand, Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls. I never equated FPSs with hardcore,mainly because all you do is move an aiming recticle over someone's head. While I like some FPSs, IMO I think there are too many of them and their popularity is quashing challenge and originality in gaming.

well the alternative you speak of is stifling innovation. Dont let devs try new things, because they might stop doing the old things. But such is the cost of innovation and a small one in my mind.

Look at super mario. It changed and went to a 3D platformer, alot of people liked it... some probably didnt. They stuck with that formula for a while... but then they saw some demand for a 2D throwback and created NSMB.

Would Demon Souls exist if the market wasnt constantly changing and innovating? no. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. If all the gamers who like demon souls continue to buy demon souls, nothing changes... if all the gamers who like demon souls buy demon souls and kinect... demon souls remains unaffected and the gaming market expands. If all the people who like demon souls stop buying demon souls and buy kinect instead... then you have a problem. But i dont see that last scenario as being very likely.

Wait- Demon's Souls exists (in the US) because a publisher of niche titles grabbed it up after it was passed over by Sony. Even though it got GOTY alot of people still don't know about it. Suggest it to other members and many will say they heard it's hard and don't want to try it. It's not even getting a sequel, but a "spiritual successor" that the devs have already stated will be easier than DS. Meanwhile everyone knows KZ3 is on the way, and Sony will be pushing that one big time. I like KZ also, but you see where I'm going with this.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]But they werent going to spend it on titles we would enjoy.

Think of it like being a kid going to your parents and saying "hey dad can i have $20 for school supplies?" and he says "sure, son". Then you goto your dad the next day and say "dad can i have $20 for heroin?" and he says "no way!". The reason he wont give you $20 for heroin isnt because he already gave you $20 for school supplies, he doesnt want to give you $20 for heroin because he doesnt want you spending money on heroin.

This is essentially what the microsoft gaming division does... they go to the big daddy financial department and say "can we have some more money for exclusives?" and daddy says, no doesnt seem like a worthwhile investment. But then they go to big daddy MS and say, "can we have some money for kinect?" and they say, "sure, looks like a good business opportunity"

GearsOfWarLover

You may be right, but im going to need a link that says that

Yea i dont think im going to have much luck finding a link like that.

Dont get me wrong, there is definitely some association between the 2. But its not as simple as a million dollars spent here means a million less spent here.

I started trying to type out the underlying principle of how funding for kinect could impact funding of exclusives... but realized it was going to end up being a very very long drawn out explanation. The two things arent entirely mutually exclusive and there is a kernal of truth behind why kinect spending could impact other offerings. But ill just say that the impact is far less extreme than people are making it out to be.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

WhenI think hardcore I think Mega Man,Godhand, Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls. I never equated FPSs with hardcore,mainly because all you do is move an aiming recticle over someone's head. While I like some FPSs, IMO I think there are too many of them and their popularity is quashing challenge and originality in gaming.

NEStorianPriest

well the alternative you speak of is stifling innovation. Dont let devs try new things, because they might stop doing the old things. But such is the cost of innovation and a small one in my mind.

Look at super mario. It changed and went to a 3D platformer, alot of people liked it... some probably didnt. They stuck with that formula for a while... but then they saw some demand for a 2D throwback and created NSMB.

Would Demon Souls exist if the market wasnt constantly changing and innovating? no. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. If all the gamers who like demon souls continue to buy demon souls, nothing changes... if all the gamers who like demon souls buy demon souls and kinect... demon souls remains unaffected and the gaming market expands. If all the people who like demon souls stop buying demon souls and buy kinect instead... then you have a problem. But i dont see that last scenario as being very likely.

Wait- Demon's Souls exists (in the US) because a publisher of niche titles grabbed it up after it was passed over by Sony. Even though it got GOTY alot of people still don't know about it. Suggest it to other members and many will say they heard it's hard and don't want to try it. It's not even getting a sequel, but a "spiritual successor" that the devs have already stated will be easier than DS. Meanwhile everyone knows KZ3 is on the way, and Sony will be pushing that one big time. I like KZ also, but you see where I'm going with this.

Yea i dont know much about demon souls. Honestly you seem like somewhat of a niche gamer (at least in the US).... the market probably isnt going to cater to you in any major way... whether or not motion controls exist. :P

The main point i was trying to get at, was the motion control market doesnt seem to really be competing with the traditional gaming market. It mostly seems to be expanding the industry, rather than shifting the focus of the industry. For instance i own a wii, but it didnt stop me from buying my PS3, or my 360.... all that happened was i spent more money on gaming than i otherwise would have... which just means a net expansion of the industry.

If kinect brings in enough new gamers, which then go on to try playing some hardcore games... it could even theoretically expand the hardcore market. I just think the idea of motion controls killing gaming is a little far fetched is all. I could be wrong... maybe new gamers fall in love with motion controls and never pick up more traditional games, maybe traditional style gamers abandon their old genres in favor of kinect... but i really dont think kinect is going to have much of an impact on the market as we know it.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

well the alternative you speak of is stifling innovation. Dont let devs try new things, because they might stop doing the old things. But such is the cost of innovation and a small one in my mind.

Look at super mario. It changed and went to a 3D platformer, alot of people liked it... some probably didnt. They stuck with that formula for a while... but then they saw some demand for a 2D throwback and created NSMB.

Would Demon Souls exist if the market wasnt constantly changing and innovating? no. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. If all the gamers who like demon souls continue to buy demon souls, nothing changes... if all the gamers who like demon souls buy demon souls and kinect... demon souls remains unaffected and the gaming market expands. If all the people who like demon souls stop buying demon souls and buy kinect instead... then you have a problem. But i dont see that last scenario as being very likely.

markinthedark

Wait- Demon's Souls exists (in the US) because a publisher of niche titles grabbed it up after it was passed over by Sony. Even though it got GOTY alot of people still don't know about it. Suggest it to other members and many will say they heard it's hard and don't want to try it. It's not even getting a sequel, but a "spiritual successor" that the devs have already stated will be easier than DS. Meanwhile everyone knows KZ3 is on the way, and Sony will be pushing that one big time. I like KZ also, but you see where I'm going with this.

Yea i dont know much about demon souls. Honestly you seem like somewhat of a niche gamer (at least in the US).... the market probably isnt going to cater to you in any major way... whether or not motion controls exist. :P

The main point i was trying to get at, was the motion control market doesnt seem to really be competing with the traditional gaming market. It mostly seems to be expanding the industry, rather than shifting the focus of the industry. For instance i own a wii, but it didnt stop me from buying my PS3, or my 360.... all that happened was i spent more money on gaming than i otherwise would have... which just means a net expansion of the industry.

If kinect brings in enough new gamers, which then go on to try playing some hardcore games... it could even theoretically expand the hardcore market. I just think the idea of motion controls killing gaming is a little far fetched is all. I could be wrong... maybe new gamers fall in love with motion controls and never pick up more traditional games, maybe traditional style gamers abandon their old genres in favor of kinect... but i really dont think kinect is going to have much of an impact on the market as we know it.

I'm a niche gamer because I like hard games? Thanks for winning my argument for me.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

Wait- Demon's Souls exists (in the US) because a publisher of niche titles grabbed it up after it was passed over by Sony. Even though it got GOTY alot of people still don't know about it. Suggest it to other members and many will say they heard it's hard and don't want to try it. It's not even getting a sequel, but a "spiritual successor" that the devs have already stated will be easier than DS. Meanwhile everyone knows KZ3 is on the way, and Sony will be pushing that one big time. I like KZ also, but you see where I'm going with this.

NEStorianPriest

Yea i dont know much about demon souls. Honestly you seem like somewhat of a niche gamer (at least in the US).... the market probably isnt going to cater to you in any major way... whether or not motion controls exist. :P

The main point i was trying to get at, was the motion control market doesnt seem to really be competing with the traditional gaming market. It mostly seems to be expanding the industry, rather than shifting the focus of the industry. For instance i own a wii, but it didnt stop me from buying my PS3, or my 360.... all that happened was i spent more money on gaming than i otherwise would have... which just means a net expansion of the industry.

If kinect brings in enough new gamers, which then go on to try playing some hardcore games... it could even theoretically expand the hardcore market. I just think the idea of motion controls killing gaming is a little far fetched is all. I could be wrong... maybe new gamers fall in love with motion controls and never pick up more traditional games, maybe traditional style gamers abandon their old genres in favor of kinect... but i really dont think kinect is going to have much of an impact on the market as we know it.

I'm a niche gamer because I like hard games? Thanks for winning my argument for me.

You're welcome. But it doesnt sound like kinect is the culprit in this case. Sounds like you have a beef with the traditional games market.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Yea i dont know much about demon souls. Honestly you seem like somewhat of a niche gamer (at least in the US).... the market probably isnt going to cater to you in any major way... whether or not motion controls exist. :P

The main point i was trying to get at, was the motion control market doesnt seem to really be competing with the traditional gaming market. It mostly seems to be expanding the industry, rather than shifting the focus of the industry. For instance i own a wii, but it didnt stop me from buying my PS3, or my 360.... all that happened was i spent more money on gaming than i otherwise would have... which just means a net expansion of the industry.

If kinect brings in enough new gamers, which then go on to try playing some hardcore games... it could even theoretically expand the hardcore market. I just think the idea of motion controls killing gaming is a little far fetched is all. I could be wrong... maybe new gamers fall in love with motion controls and never pick up more traditional games, maybe traditional style gamers abandon their old genres in favor of kinect... but i really dont think kinect is going to have much of an impact on the market as we know it.

markinthedark

I'm a niche gamer because I like hard games? Thanks for winning my argument for me.

You're welcome. But it doesnt sound like kinect is the culprit in this case. Sounds like you have a beef with the traditional games market.

Um, no. Oprah fans go crazy, MS makes money off Kinect, grabs up market share, buys out competition. US anti-trust laws gather dust. Games cater to the masses, like you apparently, that don't play games like Demon's Souls. Gaming becomes boring.

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[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

I'm a niche gamer because I like hard games? Thanks for winning my argument for me.

NEStorianPriest

You're welcome. But it doesnt sound like kinect is the culprit in this case. Sounds like you have a beef with the traditional games market.

Um, no. Oprah fans go crazy, MS makes money off Kinect, grabs up market share, buys out competition. US anti-trust laws gather dust. Games cater to the masses, like you apparently, that don't play games like Demon's Souls. Gaming becomes boring.

Thats one hell of a slipperly slope argument there.

And if you are mad about the successor to demon souls being made easier... probably should blame that on the folks that bought the game and complained about the difficulty. Not us folks that never played it ;)

OMG Oprah is casual

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

You're welcome. But it doesnt sound like kinect is the culprit in this case. Sounds like you have a beef with the traditional games market.

markinthedark

Um, no. Oprah fans go crazy, MS makes money off Kinect, grabs up market share, buys out competition. US anti-trust laws gather dust. Games cater to the masses, like you apparently, that don't play games like Demon's Souls. Gaming becomes boring.

Thats one hell of a slipperly slope argument there.

And if you are mad about the successor to demon souls being made easier... probably should blame that on the folks that bought the game and complained about the difficulty. Not us folks that never played it ;)

If you listened to punk in the early 80s and see what they're calling punk at Hot Topic now, then you know it's not far-fetched.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

You're welcome. But it doesnt sound like kinect is the culprit in this case. Sounds like you have a beef with the traditional games market.

markinthedark

Um, no. Oprah fans go crazy, MS makes money off Kinect, grabs up market share, buys out competition. US anti-trust laws gather dust. Games cater to the masses, like you apparently, that don't play games like Demon's Souls. Gaming becomes boring.

Thats one hell of a slipperly slope argument there.

And if you are mad about the successor to demon souls being made easier... probably should blame that on the folks that bought the game and complained about the difficulty. Not us folks that never played it ;)

If you listened to punk in the early 80s and see what they're calling punk at Hot Topic now, then you know it's not far-fetched.