Overwatch - what so good about it?

Did we watch the same video(s)? Because I saw a competitive team-based shooter focusing on incredibly unique class-based gameplay like Team Fortress 2.

Not an RPG-lite shooter that focuses on random loot.

Its a fact all begun with a Warcraft 3 mod called DOTA and that mod started a whole new genre on its own more or less. Thats where Blizzard can say whatever they want.

HOTS revolutionized nothing , literally. Its the supre casual side of MOBAs for everyone that want something simple to have fun with and its popular because its based on Blizzard icons.

What i said about overwatch stands for HOTS as well. IF hots was exactly the same game but coming from an unknown company with other icons and all ... noone would give a "shit" about it. Same stands for both Hearthstone and Overwatch. Imagine Hearthstone as another card game like so many out there based on other universe than Warcraft and coming from other company than Blizzard. Tell me sincerely if you beleive it would have the success it has now ... Not 1 in a milion. The list goes on...

If it wasnt for Diablo and Diablo 2s legacy you think Diablo 3 would had any chance to sell as much ? That crap of a game it was on release ? Or it would had any chance to sell as much as it did if it was coming from other company than blizzard with other name ? Again , not 1 in a million.

And this is coming from a MEGA ex-Blizzard fan with literally thousands of hours in WoW / Diablo-2.

If thats the Blizzard you want , so be it . I dont mind , but keep it real.

@AzatiS: It revolutionized in a more team based focused MOBA way. And no if Hots came from another company people would not treat it differently, its an awesome game. And of course it wont sell as much, Blizzard is a trusted brand, its one you can depend on.

None of the bolded is fact. it is your subjective opinion of the enjoyment of those games compared to later releases. I have friends that preferred Diablo 2 and 3 to the first. They are just as entitled to their take on those pieces of entertainment. No one thing will entertain every single person. Hence it is subjective to personal preference.

I was just clowning with my first reply anyway dude. I'm in the mood for fun back and forths tonight is all.

Doesn't feel like that to me.

It's actually a pretty fun game.

I hope this game doesn't turn hacker-infested like TF2. Right now, there are no major hack sites or public hacks to my knowledge, so it feels great being the only one hacking in a room. In TF2, there are so many people using discreet hacks that it doesn't make the game fun anymore.

I coded a simple box esp, name esp, class esp, and health esp hack for overwatch. I'm doing really well and getting lots of compliments about my "skill" after matches.

I hope this game doesn't end up dead in the water shortly after release like every CS rendition and TF2 on consoles.

Although it probably will considering it's more like those than CoD/BF.

Do you even know what revolution means in gaming or are you in denial once again ? What the heck is in your mind when you saying revolutionized a more team based focused MOBA ? If it did something , was to CASUALIZE how moba games work by taking out things to make game way more accessible to people that finding itemization , last hitting , zoning etc really hard. How the heck you calling this revolutionary ? Gtfo please...

You talking craps again , youll make me not respond to your nonsenses anymore because i dont know if i should take you seriously or you just trolling like you do with Nintendo debates.

Of course is personal preference what you like but facts remain imho.

For example i liked best Diablo 2 simply because of its multiplayer aspect , i think it was way more appealing than original Diablo in terms of addiction. But because i liked Diablo 2 more should i bypass the fact that original Diablo revolutionized the whole genre and was a phenomenally epic good for its time , way better than D2 ever was ? No i wont , because whatever my taste , facts remain.

HearthStone , HOTS and Overwatch are the kind of games that already existing in the market for many years, Nothing wrong to release such games but are not legendary nor anything fancy nor anything unseen , nor anything evolutionary/revolutionary like the oldschool titles. Does that mean they are bad ? Nope. But is that what I and every other Blizzard fan really expecting from once the best developer in the world with some of the most legendary games ever created to release in 2016 ? Sorry man but , i beg to differ. Thats my opinion on this at least.

How comes ? Its a typical ARENA zerging style FPS where there are tons of them out already for free. Why you think this isnt F2P caliber game ? Because of cute graphics or what exactly ?

This is a pointless conversation. "Better" in entertainment is subjective. No matter your feelings on how revolutionary Diablo was for its time do we not often here the bar gets raised? Today's 8/10 could have been a 10/10 because standards rise. You stating Diablo 1 was better doesn't make it fact. Submerging your head in water and inhaling will cause you to choke, that is a fact. No human can do this. Determining Diablo 1 is best can be argued because nothing binds us to it.

None of that is F2P related, those are several things seen in P2P games before F2P model was even adopted. F2P is a payment model, not a genre or gameplay style. Arena zerg style FPS can be P2P, like how TF2 once was. Like how Unreal once was. Like how Halo currently is.

F2P, however, can effect gameplay when it comes to adding endless grinds to items others can easily just use $$$ for, or simply completely pay walling items. But Overwatch is a P2P so it does'n't have ANY F2P related game altering components.

So you are not making any sense. Unless you think TFC, TF2, Halo, Quake, and Unreal were "screaming F2P" when they came out, even though that didn't even exist at the time.

It looks like more F2P garbage. I cannot see anything other than plants vs zombies reskinned( badly) when I watched the ps4 gameplay and EA gave that trash away for free.

Full price,terrible visuals, no single player, microtransactions. This is going to bomb so hard on consoles.

@Cloud_imperium: @ghosts4ever: I'm glad to hear that Overwatch will be balanced separately on PC and consoles. PC players don't have to worry about the game speed being slowed down because of consoles. Especially with shooters, more studios should do this. Platform parity is the biggest thing that makes people groan when they hear multiplatform release (which on paper should be good news for everyone). Call of Duty had this problem for a long time on PC; where the flinching mechanic on console was compensated by auto-aim, but on PC there was no autoaim with mouse so you ended up with huge flinching in some games. Thank goodness Blizz quicker patches and fixes for pc, on consoles it has to go through this crazy ass system for approval. A clear example of this was TF2 on the 360, they just left them in the dust with vanilla content. I think CS:GO also suffers from a similar thing too. Well not every game developer has the resources that Blizzard does. Balancing for both PC and Console separately would be a nightmare for most studios. Most studios can barely handle balancing what they already have! Wish all games would do this instead of compromising the PC release instead for no reason but laziness. This is the problem the future DOOM looks like it's gonna have, where it looks slow in comparison to the old doom probably to coddle console players.

Yeah,,, that's what I like about Blizzard. They are not afraid to make two different versions of the game. Overwatch is primarily PC game and it's being rebalanced for Consoles separately. So, in the end, all platforms will play the game well. Same happened with Diablo 3. Not to mention constant patches via Battle.net.

Well if you denying facts , we cant talk . Its not my feelings towards original Diablo that made it revolutionary , its the fact of things.

You cant say for example that Super Mario 64 didnt revolutionized 3D platforms , let alone 3D gaming , back in the days because today standards are different and your taste beg to differ and what if this and what if that. Its a fact it did and was years ahead of anything released by then , liked it or not cant bypass this fact. Period

So , same for Diablo 1. It did revolutionized , it did evolutonized , it did won critics and gamers alike and still as we speak every game that releasing under the same genre / subgenre... people still calling it Diablo-like !! Guess why.

So , keep telling yourself that Diablos impact back in the days in its specific genre is subjective , ill go with the fact that was one of a kind and reinvented a whole genre that future games , still to this day , trying to copy with their own spins , from Torchlight to Mythos and from Vanhelsing to Path of Exile and so many others.

Keep it real , what we like doesnt mean well bypass facts because of each individual preference. There are facts out there that we agree or not , will always be facts.

And if you dont agree with me , google is your friend to understand its not just my opinion about original Diablo neither my preference of things. Its a fact.

How none of that is F2P related when there are plenty of ARENA shooters out there offering exactly what Overwatch offers and are F2P ? Who told you im reffering F2P as genre ?

If a game looks and plays like F2P games has to do with what you see , technical aspects , production value etc not if it has microtransactions or not . What the heck you talking about ? You missing the whole point here and your examples are so off .. come on ! You even trying to compare Overwatch to HALO and you make it worse .... Besides , are you sure you wont see microtransactions in Overwatch because im pretty sure you will in some point with the excuse of "future free content costs so we had to do it ",

Then youll have a "p2p" game with F2P model and when that happens i would love to talk to me again.

@AzatiS: It seems to me the issue here is you think if something revolutionized then it is instantly better than all others that follow. I never denied any facts of games revolutionizing. I just don't give them this "best" title that you do because of it.

I don't give a rats ass what a game's impact was. I play them and decide for myself what I like best. Each and every human has this ability.

When a company like Blizzard used to r/evolutionize entire genres over and over and over and nowdays , after so many achievements and multibillions of profits thru the years , coming with F2P caliber games or generic , one of the same games like HOTS or OVERWATCH what do you want me to think ?

Its for a reason why Diablo 3 was my biggest dissapointment ever and its a reason why that crap of a game ( on its release , the last year or 2 is okish ) failed to keep its fanbase happy. And why it sold youll ask me ... Because of the legacy Diablo and Diablo 2 left before it , thats why plus because its a blizzard game , hype and marketing and a huge fanbase mainly because of their older games.

So my original statement stands for Diablo 3 as well. If that game was exactly the same but with different name from a different developer ... oh boy , i dont even want to think about it. Same for HOTS and Hearthstone .. Take out blizzard icons and lore , change developer name and tell me if anyone would care.

Blizzards hype and fanbase is that strong which is funny to witness from the outside , because i once were like that. At least when i was their games were one of a kind ... now .. cool games , cute games , polished games ... but nowhere near to past levels , not even close.

I wish i could prove somehow ( time machine , parallel universe or something lol ) my logic about all those games having different lore and different developer and see what would have happen but i cant.

Can you name a few? Because i've tried playing supposedly similar games before getting into the beta and none of them are even close in mechanics.

Like Overwatch mechanics are something unseen or many of them arent mimicking existing mechanics from other games ... Come on ! In the end of the day is an FPS with its own spins like every other FPS out there. I didnt say is a copycat but one of the same. Im saying also that it doesnt look like a big , blockbuster AAA caliber title like older Blizzard titles did. Its look okish , it plays okish , nothing to wow about .

Thats why im keep telling you that Blizzard games if were coming from other developers half of you that now praising them like they are far and beyond , you wouldnt even be bothered with them if you ever knew their existence.

Neither WoW/Legion, Overwatch, or DIII/ROS seem remotely F2P caliber even though there are pleny of F2P games in each of their respective genre's that offer a lot of the same stuff. The 3 have noticably better production quality, regular/free updates, and supreme polish.

1. I've played it. F2P is a payment model that can effect how items are grinded, paywalling, lack of updates, lack of balance, cash grabbing, poor combat, and poor production quality. No traces of F2P gameplay tampering can be seen Overwatch's gameplay, objectively speaking. Production quality, combat, and polish are noticeably higher in OW than F2P Arena Shooters, or even big budget P2P garbage like Halo/Destiny. Much like how WoW and DIIIRoS still assblast F2P and even other P2P in their genre.

2. You're right, this game is considerably better than Halo mp. I shouldn't compare them. It's an insult to Overwatch and Blizzard. Also, the disaster Destiny has more in common with F2P games than Overwatch. It's like a shitty version of Warframe and still has microtransactions as a P2P. Sad.

@AzatiS: what games are you talking about?

Whats funny about his arguement... is people are still watching early alpha/beta footage of Overwatch religiously, theory and number crunching various characters, discussing balance, lots of fan art being made... its popular on TWITCH ...

Meanwhile ... Halo 5 didn't even last a week on Twitch.. why? because its console peasant shooter garbage far gone out of style.... people buy it in the millions upfront sure... but the MP dwindles so fast in player-base and sport/relevance its laughable.

The same "its been done before" arguements can be made about Hearthstone ... and yet... look at its status... incredibly popular.... more popular than 99% of console games.

@AzatiS: "

When a company like Blizzard used to r/evolutionize entire genres over and over and over and nowdays , after so many achievements and multibillions of profits thru the years , coming with F2P caliber games or generic , one of the same games like HOTS or OVERWATCH what do you want me to think?"

Maybe give the thinking a rest and just have fun with playing games.

What gameplay you ignorant ? You talking like Overwatch is the next Super mario or does things other games didnt or doesnt ! What if game is polished , does that making it equal to high production games like GTA5, HALO and MGS5 ?

HearthStone was also polished and did things right , great card game , does that mean is not a f2p caliber game ? Or because its cards having different core "mechanics" than X card game makes it THAT different of a game ? Wtf are you talking about ?

Or are you so arrogant to beleive that there arent F2P caliber games out there offering WAY better core gameplay mechanics than P2P blizzard games . Because on Diablo 3 release , Path of Exile was way and beyond in every single aspect gameplay wise ( still is ) . What are you trying to prove with all those ridiculous examples you reffering to , that Overwatch looking as a P2P , way more than high production/value games like HALO or GTA5 or what ?

Is your fanboyism that strong to actually beleive games like OVERWATCH because are polished or its characters skills are different than other games making it instantly better than any other game out there or wtf ?

Ill say this to end this stupid debate because it goes nowhere.

IF this game wasnt a BLIZZARD game , exactly the same game , you wouldnt give a shit about it let alone defend it in that fashion. And ill let you have the last word because this is going nowhere so .. we agree to disagree.

What do you mean ? About what subject ?

thank you for proving my point.

Thats the issue here .... Even if Blizzard release an ATARI 2600 like game based on Warcraft it will sell millions.

Diablo 3 was a crap of a game on release yet sold 10M ... Care to tell me how many left to play just before ROS release ? Few thousands max. Check forums. Was/Is POE way more diablo than Diablo 3 ever was or not ? A F2P game that is.

Care to tell me how many playing HOTS ? Because Blizzard refusing to talk openly about it the last year but when it comes to Hearthstone they are so open about it. How many card games there were before Hearthstone , care people that praising Hearthstone tell me ? They wont know probably because they didnt give a shit ... they give the moment Blizzard made one

Why korean dissed Starcraft 2 over original Starcraft if Sc2 was as good or better than original ? Something is not right , right ? At least SC2 did deliver unlike D3 that made all hardcore fans facepalm up to ROS release.

And now OVERWATCH , omg omg ... the best ever ARENA shooter , noone ever saw something like this before , is polished , is this and that ... Naaah , its just BLIZZARD. I wish i could prove my original statement of " If this game , and others , were coming from an unknown developer not even half would give a shit about them" but i cant so... You got the right to flame all you want , my flame sheild cant melt. But ill stick to this statement.

So keep praising Blizzard for sales and all ... I dont give a shit about sales like i didnt with Wii , all i care is what i see and experience. And latest Blizzard games have nothing to do with the legendary games Blizzard once released.

As for HALO , i dont give a crap about it and i dont even own an X1 to begin with. But calling OVERWATCH a legit P2P game similar to games of HALO caliber ... ok , your opinion. I beg to differ.

And im out , keep flaming !

I came in a topic that asking people about their opinions , i gave mine and some you dont really like it. So , instead of make a fuss about my opinion or something , just go have fun with OVERWATCH or something and let me be.

Ok. I wont engage with you anymore.

@AzatiS said:

I'm sorry but if Overwatch is "F2P Caliber" then I can only imagine what you think of considerably inferior online shooters like Halo, Killzone, CoD, and Destiny......vaporware? I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Factually speaking, Overwatch shows no signs of F2P gameplay symptoms and does not use that payment model, nor any signs of low production value. You are incorrect, and seem to be spouting lies, have you played it?

The only thing I now think that is making you believe this is the games gfx. Are you literally confusing a games art style for it's payment model? Holy cow.....I'm speechless.

" Im speechless is my line " .

F2P caliber games dont have to be either free 2 play nor anything below AAA quality. You are the once confusing what im talking about . But , its ok. If you beleive an ARENA shooter , like so many out there , is not a F2Pcaliber game just because characters have different skills than the other ARENA shooters , aka different "mechanics" or because is polished ( like other F2P caliber games werent before ), so be it. Beleive what you want and let me beleive what i want and problem solved because this is going nowhere.

This is not about belief, as you are literally getting simple definitions wrong at this point.

F2P has nothing to do with a games core mechanics or genre unless those elements are effected by the F2P Payment model. Because Overwatch is P2P, it's core mechanics and gameplay are not effected by such things. It happens to be in the same genre as many of those games, big deal? So are RoS and Legion, yet neither of these 3 games have an inkling of "F2P Feeling".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play

Man i cant make it simplier for you to understand what im trying to say ... Thats why im calling them F2P caliber and not plain F2P to understand my point.

So , lets leave it be , we talking like forever and still we talking about different things.

@AzatiS: your arguments are so fucking flimsy it's embarassing.

i think he's just an angry gamer with an axe to grind against blizzard.

But I've played Overwatch, RoS, and Legion. Neither are F2P Caliber.

Your opinion is a rare and odd one, that goes against all data and facts.

That's a pretty long "No".

Sorry, you don't have a sound argument.

You can both try to prove my arguments wrong rather than generic craps. I used to be a Blizzard fan , i guess way , before you even knew what PC gaming was about.

So lets not make this personal and stick to my original argument of newschool BLizz has nothing to do with oldschool one. Not even close. Prove me wrong

You see , i never said ROS or Legion are F2P caliber games and you insist to call em out to justify your argument. Finally at least understood what F2P caliber game means.

Anyways , believe what you want about Overwatch , its ok . I think it could have been easily a F2P game . Offers nothing weve never seen before in ARENA FPS shooters genre other than its own spin.

Keep praising every single game BLizzard releases , thats what makes you fanboys. Sorry i beg to differ and think newschool Blizzard is not even close to oldschool one. Maybe you didnt gaming back in late 90s so you dont understand , maybe you are in denial because of fanboyism or you play only Blizzard games and you havent tried any other similar CARD games , Action RPG games , RTS games and ARENA FPS games or MOBA games to understand what im talking about.

Keep telling yourself NO , that you would play Hearthstone if it wasnt about Warcraft and Blizzard , Diablo 3 if it wasnt coming from Blizzard and HOTS if it wasnt for Blizzard. Keep telling that to yourself.

As for my argument , prove me wrong.

You're barking at the wrong tree, moron.

I don't play Hearthstone or Warcraft or Diablo.

I'm not a Blizz fanboy.

Unlike you, i don't even think the first Diablo was a big deal.

Regardless of that, i enjoy Overwatch a lot.

I'll prove you wrong when you have an argument.

You're flipflopping all over the place. You say one thing and then deny it in the next post. You can't back up your own claims when called out.

The only persistent thing in your posts is that you're buttmad at Blizzard.

That by itself doesn't give your case any weight. Detracts from it, if anything.

Its ok bro , have fun with whatever is blizzard and praise every single game they releasing . Its up to you. Thats why their latest releases have nothing to do with the old ones. They know theyll make money whatever the case from people like you.

Im mad or are you insteadwhen someone states that Blizzard is not even near to what they were 15 years ago as developers ? Youre the one getting butthurt over my points of view and opinions/arguments. You jumped on me , i just answer to the guy of this topic so whos the butthurt and mad here ?

Stop acting like little fanboys and accept some facts for once. If what i was saying doesnt give my case any weight then you wouldnt get that MAD over my opinion ! So your reactions over my original posts begs to differ. Thats the bottom line.

Now please ! Keep it real or if you want to make this personal , try harder.

And whats not AAA about it? no SP? so what? as far as production values goes, it looks pretty damn AAA to most logical people.

Your comments on blizzard are somewhat fair, but WoW was nothing new either .... it was Everquest-light that like CoD, managed to dumb down a genre .. yet still really fun to play.

Diablo 3 was a mess yes, but they fixed that mess.

the shitty moba was too late to the market.... and reality is other formulars were already very popular.... wasn't the right time.... they basically failed to grab the DOTA franchise before VALVE ... and ended up making something mediocre.... they would of had more success literally carbon-copying dota .... they tried to re-invent a wheel that nobody wanted re-invented in the first place.... so thats one failure ... WHOOPDEY DOO.

Pleanty of card games on PC. none as popular....

SC2? Korea? so what? its like DoTA/LOL vs Sotm ... why would they care if a new version came out when the fundemental preference to the previous games rule set/mechanics were so heavily entrenched? regardless, show me another RTS anywhere close to SC2's popularity these days? exactly.... (note... RTS ... not total war ... thats not an rts in the same sub genre).

Overwatch is nothing new, nobody claimed it was ..... as many people have told you in this damn thread. But just looking at the game, its incredibly polished, brilliant art style and audio design ... and the gameplay looks solid for a team/class based shooter ... which are NOT common..... and, like most big companies, you at least get some comfort based on past experience with blizzard that more content, polish and features will come along... and it will be well supported for years.

Ofcourse, I can see the "light on content" concern .... but eh, it has alot more than TF2 started off with.

So you do just have an axe to grind?

I was much like you a few years ago, then I let it go.

WoW became crap.

D3 was a mess...

"Oh blizzard are the worst!".

ok you out-grew them, fantastic .... still your logic and definitions are completely moronic.

"Arena shooter blah blah" again, this "Area" of shooters .... there is pretty much only Team Fortress 2 ... the game is near 10 years old.... so wtf is with this "generic arena shooter, you only care because its blizzard" bulls*it? Your not wrong to a degree... but the logic that "We shouldn't hype a game because its from a company that has a reputation for high production values, because 1-2 of their games havn't been great" is beyond special bus material.... honestly...

I just got to LOOK at an Overwatch matches to see that its very well designed in pretty much all aspects... (feature-lite PC features aside.... my only real gripe) .... there is a big difference between this and Diablo teasers we saw before release.....

To keep it short once again.

If HOTS had other icons than Blizzard icons and was coming from an unknown developer you wouldnt even know about it and if you knew i doubt you would even defending it with a passion.

Same for Overwatch , HS , Diablo 3 etc. Im pretty sure about but as i said since i cant prove it its all good , for people to disagree , flame , rage , make fun of etc.. Its ok.

Its my opinion and wont change , that of Blizzard been once one of the most innovating and legendary developers ever that now making games that are one of the same or even worse than other games out already. Now if you think Blizzard still making the best games ever like they used to , fine. Beleive what you want.

The difference between how you used to be and I is that i never said Blizzard is the worst . I said Blizzard in nowhere near to what they used to be with examples. That has nothing to do with what you speaking of.

Now again , for 100th time. I strongly beleive but i cant prove it that HOTs or Overwatch or D3 or you name it , if they were coming from an unknown developer with different icons/names noone of you would even care about them or what i had to say about them. Too bad i cant prove it but i would bet my life on that statement , thats how sure i am about it.

So beleive what you want , keep praising blizzard like Overwatch is the best Arena shooter than cant be matched by anything else , HOTS being the best MOBA that noone else can match , HS being the best card game because its popular like no other card games existed before it and Diablo 3 because it sold 10M which automatically means its far better , greater , revolutionary than original Diablo ever was and SC2 for its age offered epicness like WC3 / original SC and WoW did for their respective time.

And lets move on. Theres not 1 in a million to change my point of view and not 1 in a trillion for you to change yours. So , go play your favorite games , ill go play mine and all its fine.

@AzatiS :

I'm not sure what you are talking about, Overwatch takes huge wet dumps over the latest Halo. I've played both, have you?

It factually has no F2P elements, gameplay wise. Your argument has no objective measure.

Nobody made the claims that you state .... in the third paragraph ... THAT is our beef with your arguement. Its nothing to do with changing anyones tastes.

"epicness of Warcraft 3" oh f*cking hell really? did we play the same game? the main campaigns were mediocre from a story and presentation view point even at the time.... loveable characters ... and a decent rpg system in an RTS ... and great mod support, everything SC2 offers. You only think that it was so much better because it was the FIRST OF ITS KIND YOU PLAYED..... do Blizzard have to keep innovating to make good games? NO.... its a completely idiotic comparison....

Nobody said it was the "best arena shooter ever" either ... most people are saying it is "Team Fortress 2 - 2016 edition, with more class variety... and a good deal of polish" ... which has the POTENTIAL to be top tier .... and its damn well different from the slew of CoD/Battlefront/Halo trash that has dominated the market for for last 10 years.

Diablo 3 was a mess on launch... people buy the games on faith yes, but did it get correct? YES! .... Path of Exile is better in many ways.... but in the end, so what? doesn't stop Diablo 3 from being a good game.

Your logic... I just dont get it... honestly...... you rant about HOTS and Diablo 3 yet most people accept them as mediocre .... not SC2 though ... and not Overwatch .... based on playing them. Diablo 3 was nearly unplayable by the public before release so ofc sales were high even though it was crap ..... and HOTS was considered crap even in alpha/beta ...

But Overwatch is being generally well received all round.... and is pretty unique on the shooter scene at the moment.... so again, you can't lump "everything past 2004" in together with that s*it logic ... sorry, people will call you out for it.

EDIT

as for the bulls*it "If it wasn't a blizzard game" arguement ... well yes genius ... Hearthstone and HOTS are FANSERVICE GAMES ..... (the earlier happens to be a decent casual card game) ... and Diablo 3 was a sequal to a loved franchise....

Its like telling a halo fan "If you saw Halo 5 ... and it wasn't called Halo 5 .... you wouldn't Kiss it's boots" ... its just pure idiotic.

Brands influence peoples buying decisions? well done sherlock.

Its fine , if you think so we dont have anything to talk about. Arena shooters are of P2P caliber , specially that of teh same theme and mechanic aspect of 10 years old ones and voila. I agree with you and lets end it. Its no use to debate further.