PCvsMac

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Yes, so it seems.

What's you take on the subject?

musicalmac

So what it comes down to is, OS preference. MAC users are willing to sacrifice all the advantages of windows based PCs for the OSX?

Well I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this but, I thought as much.

The PC section has a similar thread. I might as well post here too.

I have an older Intel Mac Mini I use for internet and MS Office plus I like having other OSes besides Windows. It's an okay computer although not really something to brag about.

Beats me why people here hate Macs (not just MacBooks) in general. You'd think one ate their firstborn or something. Of course, there's also the snooty Mac zealots whose noses are stuck so high up. I guess the two groups cancel each other out. One zealot to another.

Macs are a waste of time if you like games.

Selection is smaller, prices are often higher for the same titles and games run better in Windows.

So what it comes down to is, OS preference. MAC users are willing to sacrifice all the advantages of windows based PCs for the OSX?

Well I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this but, I thought as much.

fireballonfire

I was thinking, since PC fans love to compare console to PC, which is forever upgradeable. How about a more fare comparison.How would a gaming PC fare against a gaming MAC in terms power. Hope you guys get the underlying message of this:P

1Stark1

MACs are PCs!

what you meant to say was Windows vs Mac OSX

In the high performance 15inch-to-16inch laptop size, the current MacBook Pro is only equiped with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M. ronvalencia

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Except for the whole charging an arm and a leg for cheap PC parts. Like in the case of my friend getting 335 dollars worth of hardware for 1000 dollars from Apple. That is completely true.musicalmac

So what it comes down to is, OS preference. MAC users are willing to sacrifice all the advantages of windows based PCs for the OSX?

Well I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this but, I thought as much.

fireballonfire

Is it because he bought it from Best Buy? I know you could probable build a PC and stick OSX on it for a lot less.

What do you mean it's not that simple? A guy at work bought a desktop from Apple that was 1400 dollars. The parts consisted of an i3 processor, 16 gbs of DDR3 1333 mhz ram, and a 4670(which is a 70 dollar video card). Tell me how he got his money's worth for those parts.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]What do you mean it's not that simple? A guy at work bought a desktop from Apple that was 1400 dollars. The parts consisted of an i3 processor, 16 gbs of DDR3 1333 mhz ram, and a 4670(which is a 70 dollar video card). Tell me how he got his money's worth for those parts.musicalmac

I changed it a bit, because I didn't include all the details.

Is it because he bought it from Best Buy? I know you could probably build a PC and stick OSX on it for a lot less.

He also said he got some media package that included some programs, not sure what though.

MACs are PCs!

what you meant to say was Windows vs Mac OSX

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

MACs are PCs!

what you meant to say was Windows vs Mac OSX

paradigm68

no there isn't

Beats me why people here hate Macs (not just MacBooks) in general.

jun_aka_pekto

You wonder why Mac is hated in a gaming forum?

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Yes, so it seems.

What's you take on the subject?

musicalmac

Around 2006 (Intel Core1 era), Apple made a switch to Intel based PC. Besides the GPU, there's very little architectural differences between my Dell Studio XPS 1645 and current MacBook Pro laptops i.e. with EmpireEFI bootloader**, I can install unmodifed MacOS X 10.6 retail.

**Adds Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) features to BIOS based PCs.

they are quite diffrent rly, yeah macs r so much more expensive for the hardware they have compared to a pc of the same price, but the mac software doesnt need that much power to run it, and what ur paying with that extra money is for a reliable computer(my bros has lasted 6 years and still uses it lol) , which is more user friendly and dont have to worry about viruses or taking it in to fix it and also(impretty sure most would agree) the macs have the best designs. and u can also play some games on mac, not all, but most of the popular ones like WoW or SC2. macs are for more casual people rly.

[QUOTE="paradigm68"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

MACs are PCs!

what you meant to say was Windows vs Mac OSX

Fizzman

no there isn't

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="paradigm68"] There's hardware differences to count in also. paradigm68

no there isn't

I don't think you understand what the word hardware means.

I don't think you understand what the word hardware means.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I don't think you understand what the word hardware means.

musicalmac

Care to enlighten me?

Care to enlighten me?

Fizzman

they are quite diffrent rly, yeah macs r so much more expensive for the hardware they have compared to a pc of the same price, but the mac software doesnt need that much power to run it, and what ur paying with that extra money is for a reliable computer(my bros has lasted 6 years and still uses it lol) , which is more user friendly and dont have to worry about viruses or taking it in to fix it and also(impretty sure most would agree) the macs have the best designs. and u can also play some games on mac, not all, but most of the popular ones like WoW or SC2. macs are for more casual people rly.

RanDoMcApZ

Both Mactel and Wintel PC uses the same CPU and chipset architecture. Being Apple branded computer doesn't shield it from the infamous NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT bump-gate.

3 Year Laptop Malfunction Rates. http://purplejunction.com/2009/11/20/3-year-laptop-malfunction-rates-asus-beats-out-apple/

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Care to enlighten me?

musicalmac

Ohh by hardware I meant the parts at their core. CPU/GPU/HDD/Mobo. If i wanted a similar designed Windows based PC, I could buy a HP Envy or the equivelent "Cadillacs" from Sony or Dell. Those differences seem minor in the grand scheme of things.

Ohh by hardware I meant the parts at their core. CPU/GPU/HDD/Mobo. If i wanted a similar designed Windows based PC, I could buy a HP Envy or the equivelent "Cadillacs" from Sony or Dell. Those differences seem minor in the grand scheme of things.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Ohh by hardware I meant the parts at their core. CPU/GPU/HDD/Mobo. If i wanted a similar designed Windows based PC, I could buy a HP Envy or the equivelent "Cadillacs" from Sony or Dell. Those differences seem minor in the grand scheme of things.

musicalmac

IDK you are probably right. I know HP has a PC that basically looks like a Mac. Can't remember what it was called. I thought it was the Envy, but it might called something else.

who the hell games on a mac? :|

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Fizzman"] [QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Care to enlighten me?

Fizzman

Ohh by hardware I meant the parts at their core. CPU/GPU/HDD/Mobo. If i wanted a similar designed Windows based PC, I could buy a HP Envy or the equivelent "Cadillacs" from Sony or Dell. Those differences seem minor in the grand scheme of things.

IDK you are probably right. I know HP has a PC that basically looks like a Mac. Can't remember what it was called. I thought it was the Envy, but it might called something else.

Fizzman

who the hell games on a mac? :|

theuncharted34

who the hell games on a mac? :|

theuncharted34

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

IDK you are probably right. I know HP has a PC that basically looks like a Mac. Can't remember what it was called. I thought it was the Envy, but it might called something else.

musicalmac

who the hell games on a mac? :|

theuncharted34

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Except for the whole charging an arm and a leg for cheap PC parts. Like in the case of my friend getting 335 dollars worth of hardware for 1000 dollars from Apple. That is completely true.musicalmac

So what it comes down to is, OS preference. MAC users are willing to sacrifice all the advantages of windows based PCs for the OSX?

Well I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this but, I thought as much.

fireballonfire

So I'm saying you're sacrificing advantages choosing a MAC, and you play that ball back to me claiming I miss out choosing a windows based PC.

Maybe it's as simple as we have different preferences when it comes to computers and their purpose.

I like building my computers myself. My latest build are made from arguably better quality components than you'd find in a MAC Pro. Antec makes really good PSUs, really good looking(much better looking than MAC Pros for sure) quality cases (it's nice with options right?). Asus is a really a high quality brand for Mobos and GPUs. Pair this with the latest intel CPU and slap in another Asus GPU for SLI or even tri-sli and what do you have?

A better looking, better quality system and much more power than you'd ever find in a MAC. The best part is that it's cheaper too.

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

theuncharted34

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Ohh by hardware I meant the parts at their core. CPU/GPU/HDD/Mobo. If i wanted a similar designed Windows based PC, I could buy a HP Envy or the equivelent "Cadillacs" from Sony or Dell. Those differences seem minor in the grand scheme of things.

musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Fizzman"] Envy, you're right, I believe. Different construction. [QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

who the hell games on a mac? :|

theuncharted34

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

So I'm saying you're sacrificing advantages choosing a MAC, and you play that ball back to me claiming I miss out choosing a windows based PC.

Maybe it's as simple as we have different preferences when it comes to computers and their purpose.

I like building my computers myself. My latest build are made from arguably better quality components than you'd find in a MAC Pro. Antec makes really good PSUs, really good looking(much better looking than MAC Pros for sure) quality cases (it's nice with options right?). Asus is a really a high quality brand for Mobos and GPUs. Pair this with the latest intel CPU and slap in another Asus GPU for SLI or even tri-sli and what do you have?

A better looking, better quality system and much more power than you'd ever find in a MAC. The best part is that it's cheaper too.

fireballonfire

MSI has unibody laptop design. Dell Adamo also sports an unibody laptop design.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] Why not?paradigm68

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

Is that why in the corporate world the majority OS is Windows and Office? For school I use Office and its the best by far if you wanna compare it with IWork. There is a reason why MS makes a Mac compatible version of Office. Yes Windows baesd PC's are the best for gaming, but they are just as good in other area's too.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] Why not?paradigm68

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

That was my point. A windows pc is much much better for gaming. And since this is gamespot and not photospot... :P why would we discuss anything else but games? this is system wars not OT.

Hold on. If I just so happen to want a mac, for the purposes you just listed, and wanted to play a little games on the side the mac is great.

EDIT: And btw. who says OSX is better than windows for photo's, school and video's? and work? and more?

[QUOTE="paradigm68"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

Fizzman

Is that why in the corporate world the majority OS is Windows and Office? For school I use Office and its the best by far if you wanna compare it with IWork. There is a reason why MS makes a Mac compatible version of Office. Yes Windows baesd PC's are the best for gaming, but they are just as good in other area's too.

[QUOTE="paradigm68"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

theuncharted34

That was my point. A windows pc is much much better for gaming. And since this is gamespot and not photospot... :P why would we discuss anything else but games? this is system wars not OT.

Hold on. If I just so happen to want a mac, for the purposes you just listed, and wanted to play a little games on the side the mac is great.

EDIT: And btw. who says OSX is better than windows for photo's, school and video's? and work? and more?

[QUOTE="paradigm68"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

because it costs twice as much as a pc and has a much more limited games library? (OSX)

doesn't really need to be discussed I'm afraid :)

Fizzman

Is that why in the corporate world the majority OS is Windows and Office? For school I use Office and its the best by far if you wanna compare it with IWork. There is a reason why MS makes a Mac compatible version of Office. Yes Windows baesd PC's are the best for gaming, but they are just as good in other area's too.

1. Office for Mac Home and Business 2011.

2. Office Professional Plus 2010 or Office Standard 2010.

HAX

Skip to 3:11 /thread.

:P

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] It's not that simple. It's so not that simple that it has me wondering if you're being entirely honest, or just the typical uneducated PC gamer guy. [QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

So what it comes down to is, OS preference. MAC users are willing to sacrifice all the advantages of windows based PCs for the OSX?

Well I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this but, I thought as much.

fireballonfire

So I'm saying you're sacrificing advantages choosing a MAC, and you play that ball back to me claiming I miss out choosing a windows based PC.

Maybe it's as simple as we have different preferences when it comes to computers and their purpose.

I like building my computers myself. My latest build are made from arguably better quality components than you'd find in a MAC Pro. Antec makes really good PSUs, really good looking(much better looking than MAC Pros for sure) quality cases (it's nice with options right?). Asus is a really a high quality brand for Mobos and GPUs. Pair this with the latest intel CPU and slap in another Asus GPU for SLI or even tri-sli and what do you have?

A better looking, better quality system and much more power than you'd ever find in a MAC. The best part is that it's cheaper too.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="paradigm68"] Sure, but that's all you do on any Computer? Game? How about those that do school, work, videos, photos, and more. You know does that stuff better right out of the box? Mac. So yeah if you somehow, some reason, all you do is game on a PC. Then yes the PC would be better. Think it through buddy. paradigm68

Is that why in the corporate world the majority OS is Windows and Office? For school I use Office and its the best by far if you wanna compare it with IWork. There is a reason why MS makes a Mac compatible version of Office. Yes Windows baesd PC's are the best for gaming, but they are just as good in other area's too.

Some corporates uses MacBooks or IMacs(X86) i.e. running Windows.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="paradigm68"] There's hardware differences to count in also. paradigm68

no there isn't

Dell Studio XPS 1647 has the same Intel Core i7 Dual Core(+IGP)(Arrandale) as MacBook Pro. My Dell Studio XPS 1645 uses Intel Core i7 Quad Core (Clarksfield) type. The big difference is with the GPU.

I could probably replace my Core i7 Quad with Core i7 Dual Core + IGP(use for saving power during battery mode)i.e. both Arrandale and Clarksfield uses socket 988.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

MACs are wonderful computers with advantages overwindows based PCs.

Video editing, photoshopping, design work in general is smoother on the MACs.

fireballonfire

Smoother how?

Allright you caught me. I've never done any serious work on a MAC (net browsing). I just thought it was the general consensus, or maybe it's just an old argument that MAC users fall back on.

Any experienced MAC and WIN user that can shed some light on the matter?

I have been taking College level MultiMedia Classes that maily revolve around video editing. our primary computers are brand new iMacs, and we have around 18 in our classroom. i sm in the minority that prefers PC, mainly because amost everyone in my media class is like super rich, and have their parents buy them stuff. almost none of them really have any experience or knoledge about hardware.

Although the OSx snow leopard is a very good OS, windows 7 is just as good IMO. it really just depends on user preference. our primary video editing software for mac is final cut pro, and that software is superior to any PC video editor IMO, but i think that is just because i am more experienced with it than any PC video editor. i am growing fond of sony vegas though. we also use a lot of photoshop, and photoshop between PC and mac is pretty much identical.

Mac users pretty much fall back on the "mas are smoother for multimedia editing" because mac has that reputation and most Mac and PC fanboys really dont have much experience in this feild.

also sinse this is a gaming forum, windows is obviously a better choice for gaming. and IMO, the PC is better for the money hardware-wise. macs apple isnt the m,ost reliable computer maufacturer according to consumer reports so don't buy into that. the only reason to buy a mac is for its wide array of mac exclusive multimedia editors and the OS itself. other than that, PC is the safer choice among the casuals. or gamers. IMO.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

So you are essentially saying PC Vs PC? Because Macs are just a custom type of personal computer.

They share the same hardware with PCs today, the only real difference is proprietary Apple software and the odd design direction differences.

1Stark1

Thank you, you just emphasized my point. PC isn't a unique platform hardware wise, its just an embodiment of current computing chips, hence it shouldn't be compared to set machines like consoles. So can we all agree its stupid to compare graphics of consoles to computers.