P2M 2.12 Comic Con Videocast 2013

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]I've got a ton I'd love to rip a new one.

Most recently Gone Home. Played that over the weekend and damn, it's overrated as hell.

Actually it is pretty decent, just nowhere near a 9.5. I have a lot of other games I could destroy if I wanted.

Vaasman

Even if you don't listen to scores, a lot of reviews have said it's one of the best stories around, which I don't feel is true at all. I even like this kind of slice of life stuff, but part of life is taking unexpected turns, which this never does. It takes a ton of interesting points and regularly drops them as you progress.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Whats wrong with GTA4?TheEroica

I was the same way. It didn't seem like the past GTA's to me and thats what I wanted. The city was great but I got really bored fast. Hopefully GTA5 changes that. 

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] At this point...I can't give a shit about a score. At that point I'd be like TexasGoldRush: EVERYTHING IS OVERRATED...and that's not a fair way of judging a game. That's a by product of critics having some really low standards(I swear to you there was no way I could type that without it coming off douchy, so f*ck it). Admittedly I'm only saying that because I do want to try that game. jg4xchamp

Even if you don't listen to scores, a lot of reviews have said it's one of the best stories around, which I don't feel is true at all. I even like this kind of slice of life stuff, but part of life is taking unexpected turns, which this never does. It takes a ton of interesting points and regularly drops them as you progress.

damn it... hazy you liar.

TheEroica

My larger issue with To The Moon is that as a plot it's more manipulative than well earned, and some of the dialogue is just overkill on internet humor. Oh and one too many leaps of faith with some of the decision making from the scientists. It has some sweet moments. I thought the stuff at the festival was cute. Ending is really well done. Lots of charm, good music. It's not that offensive.

Dear Esther bothers me way more because that narrative and that game aren't exactly put together in any meaningful way. You walk around, some dude talks. It doesn't really feel connected in any meaningful way. Journey does the whole you walk forward the videogame with symbolism through its imagery far better than that game did for me.

RDR's cool for the atmosphere and John Marston. Some misfires in the writing aside, they immortalized that character pretty well for me. Plus I liked those shooting animations all things considered. Killing a mother f*cker always looked neat. Oh and putting broads on train tracks is an awesome achievement/10

jg4xchamp

Yeah, RDR was one of those games that I needed the wife to shut off and take my hand and lead me out of the room, because I couldnt do it myself... yep, kills are impactful, weapons (rifles in particular) feel good and the world, as I said, kinda shocked me at what I could do in an open world western setting. I found myself doing every hunting mission, every side quest, tracked down every horse (except the fvckin unicorn... never found her) and can't say I ever got to a point where I was tired of it...

Admittedly, it's been a while since I played the story, but I can't say there were story elements I found issue with.  I felt the ending was pretty weighty and impactful when it played out.  I know some people wanted to have more insight and connection to his life before the game started, but I kinda liked that his dasterdly past was left to imagination... Sometimes actually seeing those events and backstory makes it more difficult to paint the picture youre going for in the onset... dunno, but yeah RDR, to me is R*'s best effort in gen 7 for a couple more weeks anyway.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

damn it... hazy you liar.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Can't think of one game I hate enough to rip a new one. darkspineslayer

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Can't think of one game I hate enough to rip a new one. heretrix

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Can't think of one game I hate enough to rip a new one. heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"] Mafia 2? Ninja Gaiden 3?jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

My larger issue with To The Moon is that as a plot it's more manipulative than well earned, and some of the dialogue is just overkill on internet humor. Oh and one too many leaps of faith with some of the decision making from the scientists. It has some sweet moments. I thought the stuff at the festival was cute. Ending is really well done. Lots of charm, good music. It's not that offensive.

Dear Esther bothers me way more because that narrative and that game aren't exactly put together in any meaningful way. You walk around, some dude talks. It doesn't really feel connected in any meaningful way. Journey does the whole you walk forward the videogame with symbolism through its imagery far better than that game did for me.

RDR's cool for the atmosphere and John Marston. Some misfires in the writing aside, they immortalized that character pretty well for me. Plus I liked those shooting animations all things considered. Killing a mother f*cker always looked neat. Oh and putting broads on train tracks is an awesome achievement/10

TheEroica

Yeah, RDR was one of those games that I needed the wife to shut off and take my hand and lead me out of the room, because I couldnt do it myself... yep, kills are impactful, weapons (rifles in particular) feel good and the world, as I said, kinda shocked me at what I could do in an open world western setting. I found myself doing every hunting mission, every side quest, tracked down every horse (except the fvckin unicorn... never found her) and can't say I ever got to a point where I was tired of it...

Admittedly, it's been a while since I played the story, but I can't say there were story elements I found issue with.  I felt the ending was pretty weighty and impactful when it played out.  I know some people wanted to have more insight and connection to his life before the game started, but I kinda liked that his dasterdly past was left to imagination... Sometimes actually seeing those events and backstory makes it more difficult to paint the picture youre going for in the onset... dunno, but yeah RDR, to me is R*'s best effort in gen 7 for a couple more weeks anyway.

I was the same way with RDR. I could not get enough of that game when I played it and thinking back there have only been about a hand full of games like that for me in the 7th gen. The others being The Last of US, Far Cry 3, Saints Row 3, Portal 2, and Zero Escape: Virtues Last Reward. Whether it was the compelling story, gameplay, or characters these games had me hooked. Thats not something that has happened alot in gen 7, for me at least. 

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

My larger issue with To The Moon is that as a plot it's more manipulative than well earned, and some of the dialogue is just overkill on internet humor. Oh and one too many leaps of faith with some of the decision making from the scientists. It has some sweet moments. I thought the stuff at the festival was cute. Ending is really well done. Lots of charm, good music. It's not that offensive.

Dear Esther bothers me way more because that narrative and that game aren't exactly put together in any meaningful way. You walk around, some dude talks. It doesn't really feel connected in any meaningful way. Journey does the whole you walk forward the videogame with symbolism through its imagery far better than that game did for me.

RDR's cool for the atmosphere and John Marston. Some misfires in the writing aside, they immortalized that character pretty well for me. Plus I liked those shooting animations all things considered. Killing a mother f*cker always looked neat. Oh and putting broads on train tracks is an awesome achievement/10

slaves

Yeah, RDR was one of those games that I needed the wife to shut off and take my hand and lead me out of the room, because I couldnt do it myself... yep, kills are impactful, weapons (rifles in particular) feel good and the world, as I said, kinda shocked me at what I could do in an open world western setting. I found myself doing every hunting mission, every side quest, tracked down every horse (except the fvckin unicorn... never found her) and can't say I ever got to a point where I was tired of it...

Admittedly, it's been a while since I played the story, but I can't say there were story elements I found issue with.  I felt the ending was pretty weighty and impactful when it played out.  I know some people wanted to have more insight and connection to his life before the game started, but I kinda liked that his dasterdly past was left to imagination... Sometimes actually seeing those events and backstory makes it more difficult to paint the picture youre going for in the onset... dunno, but yeah RDR, to me is R*'s best effort in gen 7 for a couple more weeks anyway.

I was the same way with RDR. I could not get enough of that game when I played it and thinking back there have only been about a hand full of games like that for me in the 7th gen. The others being The Last of US, Far Cry 3, Saints Row 3, Portal 2, and Zero Escape: Virtues Last Reward. Whether it was the compelling story, gameplay, or characters these games had me hooked. Thats not something that has happened alot in gen 7, for me at least. 

The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. slaves

[QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. blue_hazy_basic

HAAaAZZZZZYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

HAAaAZZZZZYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

HAAaAZZZZZYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. TheEroica

Although honestly, I don't agree that those experiences are few and far between. They just aren't as prominent as they were back in the day.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. Vaasman

Although honestly, I don't agree that those experiences are few and far between. They just aren't as prominent as they were back in the day.

After getting annihilated by my niece in Wii Baseball (which is f*cking awesome), I want to hear, what's your favorite Wii Sport between Sports and Resort?Blabadon

I wouldn't say the flow is fundamentally flawed, it just isn't doing anything that great or unique with it. Like it's obvious you're supposed to progress through the house in a relatively linear fashion, and the story divulges itself with that expectation, so I feel like it's diminishing the self discovery and your ability to come to your own conclusions. The biggest problem I have though are the parts of the story are told to you through voiced journal entries. The voiced stuff just feels really non-complex, just a lot of teen angst that doesn't really evolve into anything you don't expect. By maybe the 3rd or 4th room, I knew just about every plot point of the main story to a tee. There was some side stuff I didn't expect, but I didn't feel as invested in that stuff anyway.

Vaasman

Sounds like you let hype spoil you or had unrealistic expectations of it. I'm playing through it now and I'm quite liking it. It's refreshing to piece together a story myself instead of having every part of it forced in my face and there are really subtle things like the checklist for school where everything is crossed off except "positive attitude" which are really nice and easy to miss. 

I've never seen a game be able to tell so much through environmental detail alone. Like even in the first few rooms you already get a feel for the entire family and what all their names are and what they do/have been doing. 

Also you mentioned really good textures? :? Some of the textures are terrible and clash noticeably against others, a lot of reviews also remarked upon it

[QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. TheEroica

I don't think hardware has anything to do with it. Yes it makes our games look, sound and run better but that's not what makes the story or better yet the experience. I think games are pretty much suffering the same way movies are. Everything is a rehash or clone. It seems like no one can come up with original ideas anymore. Part of that is also "gamer" today are really jaded like devs owe them something. Go back and think of NES games such as Battletoads, Final Fantasy 1, Castlevaina 2, and Megaman. All those games are hard as hell, and very underwhelming graphicly by todays standards but I had some the best experiences playing them with my friends. To this day my all time favorite game is Drakengard on PS2. Ugly looking game now, gameplay is so what of a mess but that world and the cast of charaters that tell the dark story of one guy combining his life energy with the thing he hates the most, a dragon, to save the people he loves and the world just hooked me for life. That is one story I will never forget. I know we get great games all the time now. Even the worst game on the market this past gen and current are miles ahead of what we had back then but they just don't tell stories that often that get me emotionally hooked.   

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]After getting annihilated by my niece in Wii Baseball (which is f*cking awesome), I want to hear, what's your favorite Wii Sport between Sports and Resort?TheEroica

After getting annihilated by my niece in Wii Baseball (which is f*cking awesome), I want to hear, what's your favorite Wii Sport between Sports and Resort?Blabadon

My son and I played Table Tennis, bowling, and the sword game for hours when we bought resort. Table tennis is probably my fav.  

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I wouldn't say the flow is fundamentally flawed, it just isn't doing anything that great or unique with it. Like it's obvious you're supposed to progress through the house in a relatively linear fashion, and the story divulges itself with that expectation, so I feel like it's diminishing the self discovery and your ability to come to your own conclusions. The biggest problem I have though are the parts of the story are told to you through voiced journal entries. The voiced stuff just feels really non-complex, just a lot of teen angst that doesn't really evolve into anything you don't expect. By maybe the 3rd or 4th room, I knew just about every plot point of the main story to a tee. There was some side stuff I didn't expect, but I didn't feel as invested in that stuff anyway.

seanmcloughlin

Sounds like you let hype spoil you or had unrealistic expectations of it. I'm playing through it now and I'm quite liking it. It's refreshing to piece together a story myself instead of having every part of it forced in my face and there are really subtle things like the checklist for school where everything is crossed off except "positive attitude" which are really nice and easy to miss.

I've never seen a game be able to tell so much through environmental detail alone. Like even in the first few rooms you already get a feel for the entire family and what all their names are and what they do/have been doing.

Also you mentioned really good textures? :? Some of the textures are terrible and clash noticeably against others, a lot of reviews also remarked upon it

As for the textures, I was more referring to stuff like the posters and magazines around the house that you can zoom in on and they're all high res. There's even a set of those 3D illusion things in your sister's room, and they actually work if you zoom in on them.

It's all well and good the way the story is told, but the story being told just isn't that unique or complex, and for 2-3 hours at 20 dollars, I do expect a bit more kick if that's all I'm getting.

As for the textures, I was more referring to stuff like the posters and magazines around the house that you can zoom in on and they're all high res. There's even a set of those 3D illusion things in your sister's room, and they actually work if you zoom in on them.

Vaasman

I guess the price is a bit steep for what it is. i mean at least Dear Esther was only $10. But you said you didn't scrutinise all the details and skipped some side stuff and I imagine if the bang for buck thing is an issue for you then you should have made sure you got your moneys worth

Yeah those details are nice

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

It's all well and good the way the story is told, but the story being told just isn't that unique or complex, and for 2-3 hours at 20 dollars, I do expect a bit more kick if that's all I'm getting.

As for the textures, I was more referring to stuff like the posters and magazines around the house that you can zoom in on and they're all high res. There's even a set of those 3D illusion things in your sister's room, and they actually work if you zoom in on them.

seanmcloughlin

I guess the price is a bit steep for what it is. i mean at least Dear Esther was only $10. But you said you didn't scrutinise all the details and skipped some side stuff and I imagine if the bang for buck thing is an issue for you then you should have made sure you got your moneys worth

Yeah those details are nice

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="slaves"]The sad thing is those experiences are/were so few and far between now. Back in the PSone and PS2 days almost every other game hooked you in like that. blue_hazy_basic

Wait, DSS is an official co-hist of P2M now? Wut?

Wait, DSS is an official co-hist of P2M now? Wut?

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Wait, DSS is an official co-hist of P2M now? Wut?

Blabadon

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Wait, DSS is an official co-hist of P2M now? Wut?

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Jesus, we're slow lately.bobbetybob

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Wait, DSS is an official co-hist of P2M now? Wut?

DarkLink77

I was talking about this section, pretty easy to spot

Click on one of the team members below to send us a PM and set up a good time to accomodate you!

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Jesus, we're slow lately.Blabadon

I was talking about this section, pretty easy to spot

Click on one of the team members below to send us a PM and set up a good time to accomodate you!

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I work 40 hours a week and have multiple other things that require my time on a daily basis, all of which have nothing to do with System Wars. You'll excuse me if I'm not 100% up to date on what's going on at all times, Blabadouche.DarkLink77