Pachter says no next gen until 2015

If Pachter says so, I expect the next gen to start next year.nethernova

I honostly think we should make a SW rule no more using Pachter or videogamechartz as a source of information...

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

2015 is too long :|

As much as im loving this gen, i want next gen consoles like 2012/2013.

Bread_or_Decide

Imagine an average game typically looking like that running at 1080p. More will probably end up easily looking better as games mature.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

2015 is too long :|

As much as im loving this gen, i want next gen consoles like 2012/2013.

Bread_or_Decide

Why not? Insteed of getting 2 or 3 consoles of the same generation that share 95% of their games, i prefer to wait a bit more and get a new console from a new gen.

SP says 2014... who ya gonna believe ? :P

Though I'd prefer MS launchthe.... Monster Box... Nov. 2012 !!

Pachter in his new show at Gametrailers says that the next successor of the 360/PS3 won't arrive until at least 2013 (most likely 2015).I don't know how much more the developers can push these consoles for another 4-5 years, because I see them peeking in the next 1-2 years. I could be wrong since I don't know much about their technical aspects but 2015 even 2013 seems really long because PCs are already so far ahead of the consoles in terms of power. So do you guys want this gen to last this long?

LINK

As many times as Pachter has been wrong, I find it odd that I'm inclined to believe him here.

MS and Sony debuting their motion tech seems like they're trying to delay the start of the next gen and breathe new life into their aging but established consoles. Honestly, I'm all for it. My wallet will certainly be thankful. :P

If nintendo launches a new system, you can bet the rest will follow the suit.nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]If nintendo launches a new system, you can bet the rest will follow the suit.Mystic-G

As many times as Pachter has been wrong, I find it odd that I'm inclined to believe him here.

MS and Sony debuting their motion tech seems like they're trying to delay the start of the next gen and breathe new life into their aging but established consoles. Honestly, I'm all for it. My wallet will certainly be thankful. :P

FallenAngel-

geez... by 2015, PC graphics will make consoles look 8-bit :P

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]If nintendo launches a new system, you can bet the rest will follow the suit.nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]If nintendo launches a new system, you can bet the rest will follow the suit.Mystic-G

[QUOTE="FallenAngel-"]

As many times as Pachter has been wrong, I find it odd that I'm inclined to believe him here.

MS and Sony debuting their motion tech seems like they're trying to delay the start of the next gen and breathe new life into their aging but established consoles. Honestly, I'm all for it. My wallet will certainly be thankful. :P

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]If nintendo launches a new system, you can bet the rest will follow the suit.monson21502

lol, just last year he was saying the new consoles would be announced by 2011 and released by 2012. Sure, I'll believe him this time......he has to get it right eventually............I mean so far he has guess from 2011 through 2015. May as well just say before 2020 that way he covers all his bases. How does this guy have a job?darthogre

Pachter is right. There is simply no incentive for Sony/MS to release a new console. Sony is still trying to recoup the losses that the PS3 brought the company. Each PS3 still loses Sony money, a new console would be even worse. MS is still selling a ton of consoles every month which (I believe) actually make MS money. Until the competition is truly pumping out next gen graphics, MS is in a fine position to ride the Xbox 360 as long as it can.

EDIT: Also, a large install base is profitable cause MS/Sony get a cut of whatever games are sold on their systems. A new generation would abolish that.

On a personal note, I have no desire to spend another 600-800$ upgrading my consoles.

I can't see the current generation consoles lasting past 2012 or 2013 at the latest.

I know Sony will try to make their 10 year mark with the PS3, but the PS4 will have to be out a lot sooner than 2016.

Microsoft is going to have to do something about their disc size before 2015 for sure. It's not that DVD9 is bad, but when your direct competitor has a media format that holds almost 5 times the amount of storage it is only a matter of time until your games start looking bad in comparison. So either a new format, use Blu-ray, or bigger cheaper hard drives. Right now it is no big deal, but a year or so down the road it is going to make a difference.

wii hd 2012

xbox 720 2013

ps4 2015

I don't want a new gen till the leap is huge and doesn't cost $600.

wii hd 2012

xbox 720 2013

ps4 2015

chicagodon

I don't think Sony is going to give M$ a 2 year head start.

Yes!! i dont want any new consoles to come out. i wouldnt mind a new psp but ps4 hopefully by 2014/15

I hope so the way the economy is going i dont want to buy another 400 dollars console in the next 2 years

EPaul

longer the better to me. I am enjoying this gen and don't feel like buying another $400+ console.

I can't see the current generation consoles lasting past 2012 or 2013 at the latest.

I know Sony will try to make their 10 year mark with the PS3, but the PS4 will have to be out a lot sooner than 2016.

Microsoft is going to have to do something about their disc size before 2015 for sure. It's not that DVD9 is bad, but when your direct competitor has a media format that holds almost 5 times the amount of storage it is only a matter of time until your games start looking bad in comparison. So either a new format, use Blu-ray, or bigger cheaper hard drives. Right now it is no big deal, but a year or so down the road it is going to make a difference.

coasterguy65

So basically what SW can take away from that info is 2012 am confirmed...

wii hd 2012

xbox 720 2013

ps4 2015

2015? Sound great to me.Arach666

New Xbox = November 2012. There is no way Microsoft would wait more than 7 years to kick off another Generation.KittenWishes

[QUOTE="Arach666"]2015? Sound great to me.04dcarraher

If next gen consoles are actually only released in 2015,the PC´s advantage will be ovewrwhelming by then.

The new consoles, from Microsoft and Sony at the least, are not coming for a while yet.

How many times do these companies have to say they are looking at a 10 year lifespan for their current-gen consoles before it registers...

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]New Xbox = November 2012. There is no way Microsoft would wait more than 7 years to kick off another Generation.monson21502

When thinking on console lifespans, I've considered the following.

Considering the significant amount of support consoles require from the 1st party this generation, when the 1st party moves their focus to the next generation; how long will the previous generation consoles survive? The PS2 survived so long because of its unparalleled 3rd party support; and as we know 3rd party exclusivity has diminished greatly this generation. So when Sony/Microsoft turns their focus to encouraging PS4/Xbox3 adoption, will the previous generation consoles be able to meet their product life cycle expectations?

But to counter that...

When the 1st party brings new consoles to the market, will the 3rd party transfer? The 3rd party want to put off the next generation as long as possible, development costs are already high; and they will be even higher next generation. The 1st party are of course going to want the 3rd party to transfer over to the next generation, as they are unable to fill out a consoles line-up just by themselves and the developers they pay. But the 3rd party will likely be reluctant...

Why potentially double your development costs on unknown hardware with a tiny install base? You already have a platform with a install base in the 10s of millions and you know how to work with it.

[QUOTE="monson21502"][QUOTE="KittenWishes"]New Xbox = November 2012. There is no way Microsoft would wait more than 7 years to kick off another Generation.04dcarraher

It's easy to see you play graphics. :cry: It's a good thing the industry does not follow you! :DLOXO7

Is that directed at me?

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]It's easy to see you play graphics. :cry: It's a good thing the industry does not follow you! :DBURSTIIIFIRE

Is that directed at me?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Arach666"]2015? Sound great to me.Arach666

If next gen consoles are actually only released in 2015,the PC´s advantage will be ovewrwhelming by then.

[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]It's easy to see you play graphics. :cry: It's a good thing the industry does not follow you! :DLOXO7

Is that directed at me?

ok when did I ever mention graphics in my post? I said power which could mean lots of things...like huge levels with a lot of things happening simultaneously, better draw distances, more AIs on screen etc. There is a reason why the consoles can't handle Crysis and that is not just because of it's graphics but also the huge sand box enviorment it's set in. So next time read what I wrote before you start bashing.

ok when did I ever mention graphics in my post? I said power which could mean lots of things...like huge levels with a lot of things happening simultaneously, better draw distances, more AIs on screen etc. There is a reason why the consoles can't handle Crysis and that is not just because of it's graphics but also the huge sand box enviorment it's set in. So next time read what I wrote before you start bashing.

BURSTIIIFIRE

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="monson21502"]only reason they started so soon this time. was because they took losses on each xbox sold and it wasnt getting very good support from japan devs. this gen they got great 3rd party support and they make a good profit off each system sold. and they are selling alot each month still. after natal launch it will be like a new launch for them and sale might double each month. if it catches onKittenWishes