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@chessmaster1989 said:

@nyadc said:

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

You do realize that these subs are required to play online.

You're implying that these games are the saving grace of the subs. 99.99999% of these console users are going to want to play online...THATS why they buy these subs....not the games.

Thats why your understanding of it dumb.

Doesn't change anything, those 'free' games are factored into the $50/$60 a year, they make up a percentage.

You're only embarrassing yourself at this point.

Christ this is dumb. You two are using different calculations that mean the same thing. Take six games that are $10 each to play, or can play them all at zero marginal cost with a $50 subscription.

mr_huggles_dog's calculation: $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 pays for the subscription, then the sixth game effectively costs $0 and is free

nyadc's calculation: $10 total savings = $1.67 savings per game = discount

You can interpret it either way it doesn't matter.

There's only one way to interpret it, the games cost a percentage of the subscription fee for the life of its term. He's just trying to rationalize value and the coined term free, I'm rationalizing the actual cost, which there is one for every piece of content you get from that service.

You're paying for these free games, there's literally no other way to look at it.

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

No, there's one way to interpret it and then there is a delusional rationalization to convince yourself that you're getting something for free. Black is black, you can't interpret it as another shade, it is what it is, it's absolute.

You have to spend $50 to get whatever comes in the term of that year, you don't chop it up and get to assign value to whatever you want and then say "well I got my $50 worth, everything is free from here on out", things don't work that way... You spent $50 for a term of content spanning one year, whatever you get in that year is a percentage of that $50, thus everything individually has a cost associated with it.

End of discussion.

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@chessmaster1989 said:

@nyadc said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You do realize that these subs are required to play online.

You're implying that these games are the saving grace of the subs. 99.99999% of these console users are going to want to play online...THATS why they buy these subs....not the games.

Thats why your understanding of it dumb.

Doesn't change anything, those 'free' games are factored into the $50/$60 a year, they make up a percentage.

You're only embarrassing yourself at this point.

Christ this is dumb. You two are using different calculations that mean the same thing. Take six games that are $10 each to play, or can play them all at zero marginal cost with a $50 subscription.

mr_huggles_dog's calculation: $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 pays for the subscription, then the sixth game effectively costs $0 and is free

nyadc's calculation: $10 total savings = $1.67 savings per game = discount

You can interpret it either way it doesn't matter.

There's only one way to interpret it, the games cost a percentage of the subscription fee for the life of its term. He's just trying to rationalize value and the coined term free, I'm rationalizing the actual cost, which there is one for every piece of content you get from that service.

You're paying for these free games, there's literally no other way to look at it.

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

I can't say I agree with the second interpretation, it's a bit too much like the buy one get one "free" scheme, simple math says that you are not getting the second one free at all, but both at half price.

The $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 and 6th game free analogy is just wrong man. You have paid $50 for 6 games, the use of those games expires after your subscription.

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This game is incredible. I havent touched my PS4 in months and then this came on PS+. Best free game with the exception of Resogun. I am addicted!

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@nyadc: You're also getting the benefit of previous years' offerings as well. As someone who's had PS+ since the start, that's a shit ton of games I have access to. You make it sound like you only have access to that years offerings but that's not necessarily true.

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@Bigboi500 said:

@nyadc: You're also getting the benefit of previous years' offerings as well. As someone who's had PS+ since the start, that's a shit ton of games I have access to. You make it sound like you only have access to that years offerings but that's not necessarily true.

I didn't say you only do, I am just highlighting that you are paying $50 for a year term, whatever you get during that year term is a percentage of that $50, no if's, and's or but's.

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#56 chessmaster1989

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@nyadc said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

No, there's one way to interpret it and then there is a delusional rationalization to convince yourself that you're getting something for free. Black is black, you can't interpret it as another shade, it is what it is, it's absolute.

You have to spend $50 to get whatever comes in the term of that year, you don't chop it up and get to assign value to whatever you want and then say "well I got my $50 worth, everything is free from here on out", things don't work that way... You spent $50 for a term of content spanning one year, whatever you get in that year is a percentage of that $50, thus everything individually has a cost associated with it.

End of discussion.

If you really want to be literal about the payment structure, then the $50 is an access fee and every movie is marginally free. So "marginally free" would be the most accurate way to describe every game played.

Your whole interpretation relies on you chopping up the fee and assigning value. As you point out and then subsequently ignore, the division of that fee is basically arbitrary (another interpretation - your fee gives you unlimited game time over that month, and so the cost per game is based on the amount of time you spend playing that game - which is more in line with a rental model where you are leasing a game for a fixed period of time). But given the fee division is arbitrary, then swearing by your interpretation is silly.

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@jereb31 said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

I can't say I agree with the second interpretation, it's a bit too much like the buy one get one "free" scheme, simple math says that you are not getting the second one free at all, but both at half price.

The $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 and 6th game free analogy is just wrong man. You have paid $50 for 6 games, the use of those games expires after your subscription.

Really, the buy one get one free scheme is more literally a free game, since you can't buy either game separately for 50% off (but once you pay 100% for one game, then you get the second one at zero cost).

It's actually explicit in the fact that these offers always specify that the (weakly) less expensive game is the one you get 'free'.

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@chessmaster1989 said:

@nyadc said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

No, there's one way to interpret it and then there is a delusional rationalization to convince yourself that you're getting something for free. Black is black, you can't interpret it as another shade, it is what it is, it's absolute.

You have to spend $50 to get whatever comes in the term of that year, you don't chop it up and get to assign value to whatever you want and then say "well I got my $50 worth, everything is free from here on out", things don't work that way... You spent $50 for a term of content spanning one year, whatever you get in that year is a percentage of that $50, thus everything individually has a cost associated with it.

End of discussion.

If you really want to be literal about the payment structure, then the $50 is an access fee and every movie is marginally free. So "marginally free" would be the most accurate way to describe every game played.

Your whole interpretation relies on you chopping up the fee and assigning value. As you point out and then subsequently ignore, the division of that fee is basically arbitrary (another interpretation - your fee gives you unlimited game time over that month, and so the cost per game is based on the amount of time you spend playing that game - which is more in line with a rental model where you are leasing a game for a fixed period of time). But given the fee division is arbitrary, then swearing by your interpretation is silly.

You have misunderstood me, I'm not breaking it up or giving anything an individual value or cost. All I said is you are spending $50 for a years worth of content, whatever that may be, each thing within that year factors into an overall and averaged cost percentage for each individual thing. Let's say that $10 of that $50 is for updating R&D costs, server maintenance and so on, basically things to keep the network going and console updated, and the $40 remaining is to cover the cost of the games you get for the term. Even if you get 48 games spanning multiple systems over the course of the year, you're still spending $.83 per game, it's not free.

The only way they can continue to provide these games at such a discounted rate is due to the sheer volume of people who use the service, the same goes for Live. At the end of the day though, regardless of the rationalization, you're spending money on the games you get.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@-God- said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+

LOL

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free. After 2 games a month for $10 each....everything after is free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

Cheers.

So its not free.

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@chessmaster1989 said:

@jereb31 said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I just showed you there's more than one way to interpret it. Let me repeat it:

Interpretation 1 (your interpretation): The cost per game under a subscription is subscription fee divided by number of games played. In other words, the per-game savings is the regular cost of that game minus the subscription cost.

Interpretation 2 (his interpretation): You agree to pay an amount in advance to a company to cover future purchases. You then make purchases from the company under the payment structure: 1) if the total purchases are less than the subscription fee, the company keeps the difference; 2) any purchases made in excess of the subscription fee have no charge (ie are "free")

But what matters in the end is total savings, not whether the games are "free" or "discounted".

I can't say I agree with the second interpretation, it's a bit too much like the buy one get one "free" scheme, simple math says that you are not getting the second one free at all, but both at half price.

The $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 + $10 and 6th game free analogy is just wrong man. You have paid $50 for 6 games, the use of those games expires after your subscription.

Really, the buy one get one free scheme is more literally a free game, since you can't buy either game separately for 50% off (but once you pay 100% for one game, then you get the second one at zero cost).

It's actually explicit in the fact that these offers always specify that the (weakly) less expensive game is the one you get 'free'.

That quite literally means you spent x amount for y amount of products.

In a buy one get one free model you receive two items for a cost. It's not 1 item at cost then another item at no cost. It's two items at a cost, the value you yourself attribute to each item is entirely arbitrary but irrelevant.

You can word it however you like, but you don't say I bought "a car seat the other day, and the rest of the car was free".

I could quite literally say that I paid $40 for a beer and got another 29 cans for free, but that is quite wrong.

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#61 Mr_Huggles_dog

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I never said you don't need PS+ to have these games.....I get that argument. But that's part of the deal.

What I think is idiotic is the fact that b/c of that..Nyadc says somehow the price is factored into the cost. Even if that were somewhat of a non stupid ass notion.....it would be like $1 for each game or some shit.

Seriously....it's a good deal...and that should be the end of that. But stupid ppl will hate anything.

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#62 Edited By ProtossX

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PS+ saves people money people need to realize this its simple math

random dude on steam buys rocket league day 1 for $20

random dude on ps4 buys PS+ for $50 plays rocket league for a year and buys it on sony sale for $5

both dudes played the same game from day one and the ps4 dude knocked off a chunk off cash for the sale price and gets a lil rewarded

how is that not value PC OWNERS HERMS COME AT ME! COME AT ME HERMS!

PS4 WILL ANNIHLATE PC with value this console is all value SONY IS A GAMER

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

I never said you don't need PS+ to have these games.....I get that argument. But that's part of the deal.

What I think is idiotic is the fact that b/c of that..Nyadc says somehow the price is factored into the cost. Even if that were somewhat of a non stupid ass notion.....it would be like $1 for each game or some shit.

Seriously....it's a good deal...and that should be the end of that. But stupid ppl will hate anything.

I didn't say I hate anything, I said it's not free which it is not and you tried to argue with me.

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#64 Edited By Jereb31

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@ProtossX said:

PS+ saves people money people need to realize this its simple math

random dude on steam buys rocket league day 1 for $20

random dude on ps4 buys PS+ for $50 plays rocket league for a year and buys it on sony sale for $5

both dudes played the same game from day one and the ps4 dude knocked off a chunk off cash for the sale price and gets a lil rewarded

how is that not value PC OWNERS HERMS COME AT ME! COME AT ME HERMS!

It is value, no doubt about. Not free though that's the only correction we were trying to make.

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#65 Mr_Huggles_dog

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@nyadc: There are more factors that go into....like I said...I don't think anyone is buying PS+ for the PS+ games.

Therefore...the extra is getting games which you wouldn't normally get at no cost b/c you already are buying a sub for a completely different reason.

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and i'll be playing this...

because i don't have a PS4 :(

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Anyway anyone pretending it'll be anything short of one of the best mp games of the year is buggin.

Splatoon, Battlefront, Cod are going to be perks based multiplayer shooters centered around unlocks, auto gross

Mortal Kombat has always been a good, nothing special fighting game series

Halo and Blazblue are more of the same

and Heroes of the Storm is a moba with all the depth taken out.

So yeah all hail Rocket League, such a fun ass game. inb4 some indie hating, graphics hyping up pleb.

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@mesome713: true enough for me. I've played a few hours but i can't be bothered with it anymore, it got boring for me.

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#70 DragonfireXZ95

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@ProtossX said:

@intotheminx said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+ i got my fill of the game and im done with it an i spent no money on it

PS4 domination continues and em i beat the heck outa that game an servers were down a ton so pc owners got jipped outa 20 bux

xbox one needs to join the 21 st century and picking up these nice lil multiplayer indie games for free like sony has been doing for its user base

xbox one owners wanted rocket league trust me i own an xb1 this game kept me off my xbox one all week this week

How does this work? I thought PS+ had a annual fee? If so, does that mean the game is technically, "free?'

It works kinda like this, I give sony 50 dollars per year for less than a penny a day and i play free games like rocket league for entire year.

and then i get discounts and then i get free games and i get a online play

meanwhile pcmr is paying full price 20 dollars to play rocket league and adding up on all those other games an im beating them with just straight hardcore value bombs.

PC can't compete with the PS+ value situation this game is free on ps+ its 20 on steam and like thats just one game think about over 12 month period pc is dead in this situation period its dead.

Math much?

What if you stop paying for PS+? Oh, you lose access to the game, you say? Well, that doesn't sound free to me.

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@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

I never said you don't need PS+ to have these games.....I get that argument. But that's part of the deal.

What I think is idiotic is the fact that b/c of that..Nyadc says somehow the price is factored into the cost. Even if that were somewhat of a non stupid ass notion.....it would be like $1 for each game or some shit.

Seriously....it's a good deal...and that should be the end of that. But stupid ppl will hate anything.

I didn't say I hate anything, I said it's not free which it is not and you tried to argue with me.

why people are whining about this being exclusive, this runs on 10 year old computers.

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@commander said:

@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

I never said you don't need PS+ to have these games.....I get that argument. But that's part of the deal.

What I think is idiotic is the fact that b/c of that..Nyadc says somehow the price is factored into the cost. Even if that were somewhat of a non stupid ass notion.....it would be like $1 for each game or some shit.

Seriously....it's a good deal...and that should be the end of that. But stupid ppl will hate anything.

I didn't say I hate anything, I said it's not free which it is not and you tried to argue with me.

why people are whining about this being exclusive, this runs on 10 year old computers.

What?

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Damn all these PS4 games to play!!!!

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This...game...is..FUN! Period.

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@Zero_epyon said:

This...game...is..FUN! Period.

Exclamation mark!

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Wow lot's of people trying interpret the meaning of 'free' in here.

Is something needs a fee to access or use, whether that 'fee' is a toenail clipping, a peanut or $50, it is not 'Free'.

Free costs you nothing, nada, zilch, bugger all. My Yahoo email address is free, Steam is free, a world of Warcraft account is not free and neither is anything on PS+ and Xbox Live.

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#77 LJS9502_basic Online

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@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

No, you're just paying an averaged out lower amount spread across the entire year, you're paying for it regardless of your rationalization.

Actually if you pay for a service and it gives you games......you'd be getting free games after you deduct the retail value. For instance if you pay $50 and download 5 games with a retail value of $10...any games after those 5 are actually free.

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#78 Catalli Moderator

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@charizard1605 said:

Deserves it. My second favorite go to game of the year, after Splatoon.

And you doubted Splatoon before its release! Anyways yeah for that half hour where I don't know what to do, these two games have pulled me away from Mario Kart finally.

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@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

No, you're just paying an averaged out lower amount spread across the entire year, you're paying for it regardless of your rationalization.

Actually if you pay for a service and it gives you games......you'd be getting free games after you deduct the retail value. For instance if you pay $50 and download 5 games with a retail value of $10...any games after those 5 are actually free.

No it doesn't. It cost you money to be able to play those games.

ie. Not free.

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I only got to know it now that its on PC....

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@intotheminx said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+ i got my fill of the game and im done with it an i spent no money on it

PS4 domination continues and em i beat the heck outa that game an servers were down a ton so pc owners got jipped outa 20 bux

xbox one needs to join the 21 st century and picking up these nice lil multiplayer indie games for free like sony has been doing for its user base

xbox one owners wanted rocket league trust me i own an xb1 this game kept me off my xbox one all week this week

How does this work? I thought PS+ had a annual fee? If so, does that mean the game is technically, "free?'

@nyadc said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+

>free

>on PS+

Pick one.

@-God- said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+

LOL

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free. After 2 games a month for $10 each....everything after is free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

Cheers.

Except as soon as you stop paying for that "Service" you lose access to those games... meaning you paid a portion of your monthly service to each and every game stretched out. Stop paying... don't have access, so not free.

mr_huggles_idiot fails again.

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I see PS+ value as follows:

$50 for the 12 month sub,

I game for the "experiences" I don't hoard games I'm never going to play again when I'm done with it ;/

So by the 6th game the sub paid for itself,everything after that is a "free bonus" included with the sub.

Sure I don't technically own the games but I played at least $150+ worth of games in that year.

$50 < $150

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@D4RKL1NG said:

I see PS+ value as follows:

$50 for the 12 month sub,

I game for the "experiences" I don't hoard games I'm never going to play again when I'm done with it ;/

So by the 6th game the sub paid for itself,everything after that is a "free bonus" included with the sub.

Sure I don't technically own the games but I played at least $150+ worth of games in that year.

$50 < $150

Always found this analogy in finance annoying, if you paid $50 for something that was worth $150 then the worth was empirically only $50 to begin with. The value of the item is only what you pay for it. In the case of PS+, the rental of these games is only worth $50/year.

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#85 thedork_knight

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@D4RKL1NG said:

I see PS+ value as follows:

$50 for the 12 month sub,

I game for the "experiences" I don't hoard games I'm never going to play again when I'm done with it ;/

So by the 6th game the sub paid for itself,everything after that is a "free bonus" included with the sub.

Sure I don't technically own the games but I played at least $150+ worth of games in that year.

$50 < $150

So you still pay for the games, regardless of the value or amount of games

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#86 Edited By LJS9502_basic Online

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@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

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#87 thedork_knight

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

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#88 LJS9502_basic Online

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@thedork_knight said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

Duh. I addressed that. Did you not read?

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@thedork_knight said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

when are you upgrading to next gen the ps3 isnt' getting new games

batman just came out, fallout 4 isn't on ps3

when are you making the jump your sitting on ps3 bashing the ps4 constantly dude ITS TIME upgrade bro its time upgrade to the ps4 stop hiding in the shadows the ps3 is dead

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#90 thedork_knight

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@thedork_knight said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

Duh. I addressed that. Did you not read?

Yeah but you are still trying to make out you get free games with PSN!

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#91 Mr_Huggles_dog

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@jereb31 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

No, you're just paying an averaged out lower amount spread across the entire year, you're paying for it regardless of your rationalization.

Actually if you pay for a service and it gives you games......you'd be getting free games after you deduct the retail value. For instance if you pay $50 and download 5 games with a retail value of $10...any games after those 5 are actually free.

No it doesn't. It cost you money to be able to play those games.

ie. Not free.

You're not paying to play those games.

As I've said numerous times....ppl pay for PS+ or LIVE to play online....not the games.

The games are an extra incentive.

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#92 Mr_Huggles_dog

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@MBirdy88: Mbirdbrain see my above post.

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#93 thedork_knight

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@ProtossX said:

@thedork_knight said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

when are you upgrading to next gen the ps3 isnt' getting new games

batman just came out, fallout 4 isn't on ps3

when are you making the jump your sitting on ps3 bashing the ps4 constantly dude ITS TIME upgrade bro its time upgrade to the ps4 stop hiding in the shadows the ps3 is dead

There's nothing out to warrant a purchase of either XBO or PS4. When there is something worth splashing the cash on then i'll make my mind up. Am i constantly bashing PS4? i have nothing against the console (well a couple of niggles but the same for xbo) just Sony practices and idiot fanboys on this site

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#94 Edited By commonfate

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picking it up this weekend when I get back in town. looks like great fun, especially if you can grab some friends along with you.

Wish the servers were cross-platform though.

edit. servers are cross-platform. GOTY

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

Like I said, once you stop paying the subscription all the "free" games are gone, are they not? Thus Sony has roped people into continuing to pay to keep their "free" games, a great way to feast on people's innate hoarder and resistance to change and loss. It's very well done.

With any other subscription service like Netflix, you pay for what you get, there are no extra perks over time. But with this program you get more all the time the longer you are subscribed, making it appear more lucrative and requiring you to constantly be subscribed to have access to all the games you have "unlocked" or "earned" by paying for a previous subscription. This "adding games over time and requiring constant subscription to obtain them" mechanic is quite smart by Sony.

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#96 darkangel115

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@kinectthedots said:

Good to have great games release throughout the year.

Rocket League Review

The Good: Sublime ball play using cars; Newcomer-friendly gameplay offers countless opportunities to contribute to the team effort; Much delight in discovering and learning advanced finesse moves and tactics; Rewards thoughtfulness and patience in the face of the game’s feverish pace

The Bad

AI isn't that great

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/rocket-league-review/1900-6416186/

Seen many Sony and a few PC fans rave about game post review, looks like they were on the mark. It's nice to have high quality games come out throughout the year.

Have you tried it? Thinking of getting it?

Well deserved, great game. Server issues have been a mess though :( but the dev said they are working on it so it's cool. When you can find a decent game it's worth the wait. Lots of fun. I don't see how they say AI is bad, the AI is crazy good and never misses a shot on a bad angle. I've seen AI butt bounce in goals and shit.

@kinectthedots said:

@lamprey263 said:

I heard it's sending the PS4's fan into overdrive for some reason.

I heard xbox one makes a great paper weight 9 months of the year.

I heard...

He's right. it makes my PS4 like a jet engine. the devs already acknowledged it's a bug and they are working on it. Why do you have to be a defensive jerk about it?

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+ i got my fill of the game and im done with it an i spent no money on it

PS4 domination continues and em i beat the heck outa that game an servers were down a ton so pc owners got jipped outa 20 bux

xbox one needs to join the 21 st century and picking up these nice lil multiplayer indie games for free like sony has been doing for its user base

xbox one owners wanted rocket league trust me i own an xb1 this game kept me off my xbox one all week this week

Poor analogy. Its my favorite "free" game on either console this gen. Love it, but still us PS4 owners have to pay 50 a year to play it. PC pays 20 bucks and can play it forever.

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@intotheminx said:

@ProtossX said:

@-God- said:

PC Domination Continuation.

this was free on ps4 for ps+ i got my fill of the game and im done with it an i spent no money on it

PS4 domination continues and em i beat the heck outa that game an servers were down a ton so pc owners got jipped outa 20 bux

xbox one needs to join the 21 st century and picking up these nice lil multiplayer indie games for free like sony has been doing for its user base

xbox one owners wanted rocket league trust me i own an xb1 this game kept me off my xbox one all week this week

How does this work? I thought PS+ had a annual fee? If so, does that mean the game is technically, "free?'

It works kinda like this, I give sony 50 dollars per year for less than a penny a day and i play free games like rocket league for entire year.

and then i get discounts and then i get free games and i get a online play

meanwhile pcmr is paying full price 20 dollars to play rocket league and adding up on all those other games an im beating them with just straight hardcore value bombs.

PC can't compete with the PS+ value situation this game is free on ps+ its 20 on steam and like thats just one game think about over 12 month period pc is dead in this situation period its dead.

Except you have no say in the "free games" so if it's a "free game" you don't like, it's pointless. I've had PSN+ for almost 2 years now so i paid 100 bucks and the only "free" game I like is this one. The discounts suck on PSN too, I don't even like PC gaming and i've purchased more steam/humble bundle games on sale then I have on PSN. Hell I've purchased more XBL game sales then I have on PSN. And even w/o plus you still get sales. Steam/Humble bundle/GOG/GMG have by far the best sales. XB and PS aren't even close. There is no value for PSN+ it's just a paywall to play online. Same with XBL , but at least XBL has a premium online service. So for price you go PC, for premium you go XBL, PSN+ is the worst value in gaming out of the 3.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@jereb31 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@nyadc said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You see....it's simple math.

If you pay $50 a year for a service....after so many games that you're not paying for....they start to be....free.

I know this concept is complicated....but -God- Nyadc...do try and keep up.

No, you're just paying an averaged out lower amount spread across the entire year, you're paying for it regardless of your rationalization.

Actually if you pay for a service and it gives you games......you'd be getting free games after you deduct the retail value. For instance if you pay $50 and download 5 games with a retail value of $10...any games after those 5 are actually free.

No it doesn't. It cost you money to be able to play those games.

ie. Not free.

You're not paying to play those games.

As I've said numerous times....ppl pay for PS+ or LIVE to play online....not the games.

The games are an extra incentive.

So, without PS+ you would have to pay for those games, by paying for PS+ you get those games.

There is a cost involved, therefore not free man. Incentive or not, the cost is what it is. Exactly the same as a 2 for 1 deal or discount on large volume trades. You are paying someone for the non-permanent privilege of being able to play games whilst your subscription is valid.

The games are an incentive, but one you are paying still for.

If it was free, then you wouldn't need to pay the subscription and could just grab it from a non-payed for Playstation Network.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@thedork_knight said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Zlurodirom said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yet you have to keep paying to have access to those "free" games, doesn't sound free to me.

Sony's plan is pretty amazing to get people to stay subscribed, I doubt many people have cancelled their PSN subscriptions because of the consequences.

What? If you pay for a year you will still end up getting free games after you've exhausted the retail cost. What are you talking about?

After you paid the sub for PSN!

Duh. I addressed that. Did you not read?

You addressed shit. Your argument is dumb.

You're paying Sony a subscription to access those games. It doesn't matter if you get 10 games or you get 100 games, they are not free.

I'd love to see you apply that same 'logic' to services like Netflix. Hilarious

You really should stop going out of your way to argue with anything and everything that has a negative Sony slant.

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#99 Edited By FoxbatAlpha

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Mediocre games get 9s now? Wow.

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#100 Mr_Huggles_dog

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@FoxbatAlpha: Not sure.....I think Sunset Overdrive got an 8....so they get 8's too.

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