Pc = freedom and independence

I don't know who said that, but to me it has a strong true meaning.

Consoles, wanting it or not, have lots of restrictions, they're a closed world, while Pc is a total open world.

It has one defect, though, but it's not "its" fault: devs focus on making games for consoles, maxing them out as much as they can. but it's not their fault either.

whose fault is it, then? The answer is already in the title of the topic.

Pc may not be the landmark in gaming, but it's the landmark in giving the people freedom and independence.

thoughts?

how is the PC not a landmark in gaming ?-- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etc

besides this I agree that freedom and independence is a good part of PC gaming

I don't know who said that, but to me it has a strong true meaning.

Consoles, wanting it or not, have lots of restrictions, they're a closed world, while Pc is a total open world.

It has one defect, though, but it's not "its" fault: devs focus on making games for consoles, maxing them out as much as they can. but it's not their fault either.

whose fault is it, then? The answer is already in the title of the topic.

Pc may not be the landmark in gaming, but it's the landmark in giving the people freedom and independence.

thoughts?

pitty8982

It's pretty common knowledge for any long time PC gamer.

PC is an open platform because it has no owner, but as a result of having no owner it doesn't have anyone to champion the platform like consoles.

PC has to stand on its own two feet, everything it has is a result of the platforms own individual merits. Consoles by comparison owe the majority of their success to the activity of the 1st party, Playstation 3 in particular owes allot of its current position to Sony's activity.

starcraft

how is the PC not a landmark in gaming ?-- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etc

besides this I agree that freedom and independence is a good part of PC gaming

naval

I totally agree.

thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcnaval

on pc every game has a own online client and youre still able to using something like hamashi or garena as an alternative, on consoles you have only psn and live which cost even something. And you can using any chatprogram you want like xfire, steam or from the game itself.

We dont have even a norm for our gamingboxes people still releasing games in normal cd boxes or this big cardboard box lol.

[QUOTE="naval"]thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcbandicoot89

So the landmark of gaming is mediocrity ?

I have to agree with you there TC and I will be right with you on playing PC games as soon as figure out how to use the command prompt.

Another disadvantage of not having a representative of the platform. People are free to throw out any ignorant comments and misinformation they want; and there isn't an authority to respond to them.

Yes I'm talking about some of the responses in this thread, stop failing so hard.

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"][QUOTE="naval"] [QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"][QUOTE="naval"]thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcPublicNuisance

So the landmark of gaming is mediocrity ?

mediocrity? care to explain?

[QUOTE="naval"]thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcbandicoot89

I always have and always will be a PC gamer, but the fact is PC gaming is not for everyone...but thats their loss :P

Another disadvantage of not having a representative of the platform. People are free to throw out any ignorant comments and misinformation they want; and there isn't an authority to respond to them.

Yes I'm talking about some of the responses in this thread, stop failing so hard.

AnnoyedDragon

a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. GoldenAngel03

no it dont. The ps3 give you no information on what settings the game runs. You can also do this and get a gt9500 and ignore all the settings and keep playing it for 5 years.

PC gaming once was something I defended and called great. As of late it's on a major decline. It's not worth the extra hassle anymore imo. I just wish more console games had true 1080p.

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. SLIisaownsystem

no it dont. The ps3 give you no information on what settings the game runs. You can also do this and get a gt9500 and ignore all the settings and keep playing it for 5 years.

PC gaming once was something I defended and called great. As of late it's on a major decline. It's not worth the extra hassle anymore imo. I just wish more console games had true 1080p.

nmaharg

Maybe PC not declined, but instead Console got better?

IMO it sucks. i tryed to get into it but i cant. its a mess. and the best games are on consoles like the FF, god of war, uncharted and so on. and you need to keep upgrading and do all that ****, and thers a bunch of problems behind it, its a mess to play there. and i dont like to play on a monitor right in front of it, yeah i know dont say what your going to say. a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. no need to upgrade to worry with all the ammount of crap related with it. its great. just get home, one click on the dualshock, its on, choose a great game and your ready to go. just sit on the couuch, bed or whatever enjoying it.GoldenAngel03

You do realize you can hook a PC to a TV like a console, right? And by problems, what do you mean? You just say it's a mess like it's impossible. It's not that hard to ask for assistance when building a PC. There is great value to be found when getting your own rig, but to each his own, I guess.

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[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. GoldenAngel03

no it dont. The ps3 give you no information on what settings the game runs. You can also do this and get a gt9500 and ignore all the settings and keep playing it for 5 years.

Your gamepad argument is the oldest and weakest in the book... since you can even plug a X360 controler.

Pc is worth it and i'll agree a PS3 has great value for it's price.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

PC gaming once was something I defended and called great. As of late it's on a major decline. It's not worth the extra hassle anymore imo. I just wish more console games had true 1080p.

Bebi_vegeta

Maybe PC not declined, but instead Console got better?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

PC gaming once was something I defended and called great. As of late it's on a major decline. It's not worth the extra hassle anymore imo. I just wish more console games had true 1080p.

Bebi_vegeta

Maybe PC not declined, but instead Console got better?

[QUOTE="pitty8982"][QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] [QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"][QUOTE="pitty8982"][QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"]IMO it sucks. i tryed to get into it but i cant. its a mess. and the best games are on consoles like the FF, god of war, uncharted and so on. and you need to keep upgrading and do all that ****, and thers a bunch of problems behind it, its a mess to play there. and i dont like to play on a monitor right in front of it, yeah i know dont say what your going to say. a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. no need to upgrade to worry with all the ammount of crap related with it. its great. just get home, one click on the dualshock, its on, choose a great game and your ready to go. just sit on the couuch, bed or whatever enjoying it.GoldenAngel03

okay, I see your point, but you'll agree with me that console's accessories and games cost a king's ransom, won't you? it's a shame..come on!

Maybe PC not declined, but instead Console got better?

Bebi_vegeta

I actually think all platforms declined, the difference between console and PC being that consoles have a 1st party to hide the impact.

All platforms lost a large quantity of exclusives this generation, the reason being rising content development costs. There are far less games that can afford to stay exclusive and take advantage of the individual merits of each platform, in PCs case its hardware advantage.

This wouldn't have made PC look bad because the exact same thing is happening to 360 and PS3. In fact it would have put PC in the advantage, the reason being all platforms would share the same cross platform games; all of which would look and run better on PC.

However games that by every right shouldn't exist started appearing, high budget exclusives that take full advantage of a platform. These games should be going cross platform to accommodate their high costs, however Microsoft and Sony are funding these games and keeping them exclusive. Pretty much every game a Cow would try to use in an argument against PC is a Sony funded title, Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain wouldn't exist exclusively in their current form without Sony's funding.

So that's the way I see it. We are all in the same boat, it is simply PC is on its own while consoles are getting support from their owners to hide their similar condition.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Maybe PC not declined, but instead Console got better?

AnnoyedDragon

I actually think all platforms declined, the difference between console and PC being that consoles have a 1st party to hide the impact.

All platforms lost a large quantity of exclusives this generation, the reason being rising content development costs. There are far less games that can afford to stay exclusive and take advantage of the individual merits of each platform, in PCs case its hardware advantage.

This wouldn't have made PC look bad because the exact same thing is happening to 360 and PS3. In fact it would have put PC in the advantage, the reason being all platforms would share the same cross platform games; all of which would look and run better on PC.

However games that by every right shouldn't exist started appearing, high budget exclusives that take full advantage of a platform. These games should be going cross platform to accommodate their high costs, however Microsoft and Sony are funding these games and keeping them exclusive. Pretty much every game a Cow would try to use in an argument against PC is a Sony funded title, Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain wouldn't exist exclusively in their current form without Sony's funding.

So that's the way I see it. We are all in the same boat, it is simply PC is on its own while consoles are getting support from their owners to hide their similar condition.

The way I see it, console of today look more and more like PCs, they have better online community then previous consoles... which makes a world of difference.

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"][QUOTE="pitty8982"] provided that you have a HD tv.. because if you don't, you spend at least..say 1000 euros? 150$ and I get a video card for my pc and I'm done. I pay my games 20-30% less than you do. The truth is people are lazy, want easy things, so the big companies lucrate over console gaming. oh, right..I forgot to mention how expensive the accessorie for your beloved consoles are!pitty8982

okay, I see your point, but you'll agree with me that console's accessories and games cost a king's ransom, won't you? it's a shame..come on!

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] the games look great with no need for an HDTV. but of course its better on an HDTV, but what about pc monitors?? you need to pay a lot for a good monitor too dont you. i doubt you like to play in a small screen. and btw i always buy my games for 29$,,they arent that expensive as you can see. and yes they are brand new. anyway im not arguing with you, you like PC gaming fine. i prefer consoe gaming.bandicoot89

okay, I see your point, but you'll agree with me that console's accessories and games cost a king's ransom, won't you? it's a shame..come on!

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"][QUOTE="pitty8982"]

okay, I see your point, but you'll agree with me that console's accessories and games cost a king's ransom, won't you? it's a shame..come on!

JigglyWiggly_

Agreed, PC is the only truly free platform, but it comes with some drawbacks. Without any big company to hype and market it, there are some serious misconseptions about it (for example, see any SW thread that has PC vs consoles). Also the fact that you can just buy a game for a console and you know it will work on your console is a serious advantage over the PC and its different hardware combinations.

Other than that, I have nothing to complain about. It's my favorite platform and by the looks of it, it will be the only one I'll ever need.

Agreed, PC is the only truly free platform, but it comes with some drawbacks. Without any big company to hype and market it, there are some serious misconseptions about it (for example, see any SW thread that has PC vs consoles). Also the fact that you can just buy a game for a console and you know it will work on your console is a serious advantage over the PC and its different hardware combinations.

Other than that, I have nothing to complain about. It's my favorite platform and by the looks of it, it will be the only one I'll ever need.

HenriH-42

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"]IMO it sucks. i tryed to get into it but i cant. its a mess. and the best games are on consoles like the FF, god of war, uncharted and so on. and you need to keep upgrading and do all that ****, and thers a bunch of problems behind it, its a mess to play there. and i dont like to play on a monitor right in front of it, yeah i know dont say what your going to say. a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. no need to upgrade to worry with all the ammount of crap related with it. its great. just get home, one click on the dualshock, its on, choose a great game and your ready to go. just sit on the couuch, bed or whatever enjoying it.Valiant_Rebel

You do realize you can hook a PC to a TV like a console, right? And by problems, what do you mean? You just say it's a mess like it's impossible. It's not that hard to ask for assistance when building a PC. There is great value to be found when getting your own rig, but to each his own, I guess.

When you people say pc has declined, please say pc gaming... The Linux kernel has gotten so big and lovely, same for the freebsd kernel :D They just keep getting better, so good I stopped using Windows completely on my laptop and now use Freebsd or Debian on it :DJigglyWiggly_

It's pretty shocking to see the pc games selection at retail stores. The casuals have definitely taken over hard copy sales.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"]IMO it sucks. i tryed to get into it but i cant. its a mess. and the best games are on consoles like the FF, god of war, uncharted and so on. and you need to keep upgrading and do all that ****, and thers a bunch of problems behind it, its a mess to play there. and i dont like to play on a monitor right in front of it, yeah i know dont say what your going to say. a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. no need to upgrade to worry with all the ammount of crap related with it. its great. just get home, one click on the dualshock, its on, choose a great game and your ready to go. just sit on the couuch, bed or whatever enjoying it.dc337

You do realize you can hook a PC to a TV like a console, right? And by problems, what do you mean? You just say it's a mess like it's impossible. It's not that hard to ask for assistance when building a PC. There is great value to be found when getting your own rig, but to each his own, I guess.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"]IMO it sucks. i tryed to get into it but i cant. its a mess. and the best games are on consoles like the FF, god of war, uncharted and so on. and you need to keep upgrading and do all that ****, and thers a bunch of problems behind it, its a mess to play there. and i dont like to play on a monitor right in front of it, yeah i know dont say what your going to say. a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. no need to upgrade to worry with all the ammount of crap related with it. its great. just get home, one click on the dualshock, its on, choose a great game and your ready to go. just sit on the couuch, bed or whatever enjoying it.dc337

You do realize you can hook a PC to a TV like a console, right? And by problems, what do you mean? You just say it's a mess like it's impossible. It's not that hard to ask for assistance when building a PC. There is great value to be found when getting your own rig, but to each his own, I guess.

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] a console like ps3, costs 299$ and lasts you for around 6 years or so. SLIisaownsystem

And piracy is destroying the PC....good luck with that freedom and independence when no devs make enough money to make ends meet except the largest, and even they have huge problems.

Freedom isn't free, it requires rules, and laws and boundries to work, if freedom were truely free and you could do whatever you want then you'd get what the majority of the time is a cess pit of piracy like the PC is filled with....I.E people would murder and steal and do whatever they want if there truely were no boundries humans aren't like much for a moral compass.

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

[QUOTE="GoldenAngel03"] the games look great with no need for an HDTV. but of course its better on an HDTV, but what about pc monitors?? you need to pay a lot for a good monitor too dont you. i doubt you like to play in a small screen. and btw i always buy my games for 29$,,they arent that expensive as you can see. and yes they are brand new. anyway im not arguing with you, you like PC gaming fine. i prefer consoe gaming.bandicoot89

okay, I see your point, but you'll agree with me that console's accessories and games cost a king's ransom, won't you? it's a shame..come on!

And piracy is destroying the PC....good luck with that freedom and independence when no devs make enough money to make ends meet except the largest, and even they have huge problems.

WilliamRLBaker

While on PC majority of devs are still independent and they are making enough money to make ends. Thus piracy is a huge problem, it's not a fatal one

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

You do realize you can hook a PC to a TV like a console, right? And by problems, what do you mean? You just say it's a mess like it's impossible. It's not that hard to ask for assistance when building a PC. There is great value to be found when getting your own rig, but to each his own, I guess.

devious742

fixed :lol: btw i dont think that about consoles.. im just acting like Dc337 :P

devious742

But I do think that pc gaming has declined in some areas, like single player rpgs and shooters designed around pc hardware.

dc337

Tbh i'd disagree.

Its not any worse than last generation.

Especially with titles like Risen and ArmA II arriving of recent.

It's pretty shocking to see the pc games selection at retail stores. The casuals have definitely taken over hard copy sales.

dc337

Locally to me there is a store that only sells PC games, as well as PC games everywhere at retail game chains.

Its not any worse than last generation.

Especially with titles like Risen and ArmA II arriving of recent.

skrat_01