PC gamers are they killing their own platform??!!

Ahem

A forum post is evidence that PC gaming is dying? Wow... now you are just scraping at the sludge that has collected beneath the barrel.foxhound_fox

The part about the PC gaming selection in stores becoming smaller is true. At my local GameStop, they moved all the PC games to a smaller shelf, and a lot of the PC games just disappeared. :? However, at my local Target, it's a different story. However, the games there are mostly "Zoo Tycoon," "Freddy the Fish and the XXX," "EXTREME TRUCKS WITH BIG CAPITAL LETTERS AND LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Basically, casual games, I guess.DeathScape666

 I only use Digital distribution (steam)

And so do my other PC gamer Friends.

ITS THE FUTURE MAN!!! 

Lmao no whats funny is that was posted on a PC fanbased website by a PC gamer.

It's also funny those who post piracy and say it's been around forever like that makes it ok! Oh and the comparison to a rental store and piracy was priceless!

Just another thread proven my points;)

The quote from the article where it says that consoles and console gaming is WIPING the floor compared to PC gaming needs to be pinned and locked so people know whats up and whose in the lead in system wars;)

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]The part about the PC gaming selection in stores becoming smaller is true. At my local GameStop, they moved all the PC games to a smaller shelf, and a lot of the PC games just disappeared. :? However, at my local Target, it's a different story. However, the games there are mostly "Zoo Tycoon," "Freddy the Fish and the XXX," "EXTREME TRUCKS WITH BIG CAPITAL LETTERS AND LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Basically, casual games, I guess.JangoWuzHere

Lmao no whats funny is that was posted on a PC fanbased website by a PC gamer.

It's also funny those who post piracy and say it's been around forever like that makes it ok! Oh and the comparison to a rental store and piracy was priceless!

Just another thread proven my points;)

The quote from the article where it says that consoles and console gaming is WIPING the floor compared to PC gaming needs to be pinned and locked so people know whats up and whose in the lead in system wars;)

jasonheyman

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]The part about the PC gaming selection in stores becoming smaller is true. At my local GameStop, they moved all the PC games to a smaller shelf, and a lot of the PC games just disappeared. :? However, at my local Target, it's a different story. However, the games there are mostly "Zoo Tycoon," "Freddy the Fish and the XXX," "EXTREME TRUCKS WITH BIG CAPITAL LETTERS AND LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Basically, casual games, I guess.AdrianWerner

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The person who wrote this article is a PC gamer himself so read it carefully I will help "highlight" the important lines to back up my arguement!..;)

"Have any of you realized the lack of support for PC products as I have? It seems everywhere I go now the PC sections are getting smaller and smaller."

"So with all the vendors and retailers removing PC stock(including performance parts and hardware) from their shelves where does this leave all of us?? Sure you can say the internet!! But that doesn't help you when even most of our larger sites our trimming down their offerings as well."

"Recent articles involving the makers of Crysis, Titan's Quest, and now even John Carmack and ID software express they are switching their focus to consoles primarily because PC games just aren't selling anymore."

"Console sales and gaming is wiping the floor with PC's and all the evidence supports this."

The Last line is ownage for the thread

jasonheyman

Did you actually read that post critically? Or, as your signature suggests, do you take pride in being an obnoxious and crude presence in these forums.

The evidence that PC gaming is dying offered by that post is simply retail stores are not carrying PC games in the same quantity as before. That's not even really a properly documented trend, it's based on the anecdotes of some random forum poster from Tomhardware. 

So why then, might this poster be seeing fewer retail PC games? Digital Distribution has explains this. Fewer retail stores are going to bother stocking PC games, most dedicated PC gamers will simply log onto D2D or Steam to get their software, since its a much more efficient and safe service. If I break my disk with a retail copy, I have to rebuy the product. With a Steam account, I always have access to the software once paying for it.

The problem is actually sources like the NPD don't know how to accurately measure digital distribution. They even admit this. Digital distribution is merely the shift to the future, a shift which consoles will go through too. Music has already made the jump, in the US the largest retailer of music is now iTunes, not Walmart.

The other major point is the citing of the increasing trend of PC only developers moving towards multiplatform status. This of course neglects the other side of the argument; many traditionally console-only developers have also released their products on PC in the past few years for the first time ever. Some examples include Devil May Cry, Rare with Viva Pinata, Lost Planet, Resident Evil and Guitar Hero.

The other examples you give are laughable. Iron Lore, the makers of Titan's Quest have actually shut down about 9 months ago (proving neither you or the post creator has much idea of current movings), Carmack claimed merely that console games appeared to be selling better (not that they were abandoning PC, in that interview your obviously referencing he said ", although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC.") and Crytek have not announced a single console exclusive game, merely indicated they would focus on both PC and console in the future.

I would rather walk into a store and buy the game then order online and wait about a week..JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I would rather walk into a store and buy the game then order online and wait about a week..AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Lmao no whats funny is that was posted on a PC fanbased website by a PC gamer.

It's also funny those who post piracy and say it's been around forever like that makes it ok! Oh and the comparison to a rental store and piracy was priceless!

Just another thread proven my points;)

The quote from the article where it says that consoles and console gaming is WIPING the floor compared to PC gaming needs to be pinned and locked so people know whats up and whose in the lead in system wars;)

JangoWuzHere

Attention? I don't think so. And I do play games! And I'm more informed about the gaming industry than most;) I think it's funny how facts get thrown out the window and things get misread and people only argue what they want to see. And the name calling and such.Thats the only weapon some have when facts are given that they don't like mixed with lack of being informed in the gaming industry you get name calling! But I have posted article after article of people in the industry saying the same thing about PC gaming:) I'll stick with those peeps;)

But this is system wars I don't do it for attention. I prove my points for the platform I'm a fan of;)

I think it's funny how facts get thrown out the window and things get misread and people only argue what they want to see. jasonheyman

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"] I think it's funny how facts get thrown out the window and things get misread and people only argue what they want to see. Danm_999

I could say that a MANY of time on here! Trust me:roll:

But I have posted article after article of people in the industry saying the same thing about PC gaming:) I'll stick with those peeps;)

 

jasonheyman

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]But I have posted article after article of people in the industry saying the same thing about PC gaming:) I'll stick with those peeps;)

AdrianWerner

NO you fail! People in the industry who work day in and day out say these things! Whole software companies who said they never would do a console version of any game are going multi plat! And thats opinions? Whatever! Lets talk sales AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]But I have posted article after article of people in the industry saying the same thing about PC gaming:) I'll stick with those peeps;)

jasonheyman

NO you fail! People in the industry who work day in and day out say these things! Whole software companies who said they never would do a console version of any game are going multi plat! And thats opinions? Whatever! Lets talk sales AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]But I have posted article after article of people in the industry saying the same thing about PC gaming:) I'll stick with those peeps;)

 

jasonheyman

NO you fail! People in the industry who work day in and day out say these things! Whole software companies who said they never would do a console version of any game are going multi plat! And thats opinions? Whatever! Lets talk sales AdrianWerner

Computer devs have been going to consoles since the start of PCgaming. Even Rare started like this. So if this has been happening for30 years already how is it a sign of PCgamong dying?
And everything else you provide are opinions, yours or of other people.

Facts show that PCgaming is doing fine, the fact is that it's bigger and more profitable than ever. That's a simple fact actual sales date prove.  

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]I would rather stick to facts that opinions. All you do is provide opinions, why don't you try providing some facts?Danm_999

NO you fail! People in the industry who work day in and day out say these things! Whole software companies who said they never would do a console version of any game are going multi plat! And thats opinions? Whatever! Lets talk sales AdrianWerner

So what! He is a PC fan and he is fair in his post. And it's funny Danm999 how you avoid the fact that whole software companies are making a move to consoles because their sick of losing money! It is person after person, company after company, PC is not the leading platform period. Consoles are more popular and have more games and are way better in sales. And before you try the download line then ask the devs who are starting to make console games along side PC's who are sick of losing money why they just don't stay PC exclusive since there is so much money being made in the download part of it! Huh funny they say they still lose money. I take the word of the people in the industry

Blame the pirates.

PS3_3DO

st. And it's funny Danm999 how you avoid the fact that whole software companies are making a move to consoles because their sick of losing money! It is person after person, company after company, PC is not the leading platform period. Consoles are more popular and have more games and are way better in sales.
jasonheyman

And PC not leading platform? Consoles being more popular and having better sales? Lol... are you 10 years old or something? Is this your first generation? Because otherwise you would realize it has ALWAYS been like this. PC was never the leading platform of industry and never the most popular or best selling one. PCgaming has always been niche and since forever some PC devs were switching to consoles.

So explain to me... how is this a sign of PCgaming dying? It's exactly the same as it has been for the last 30 years. How come suddenly something that has always been natural element of PCgaming is somehow a sign of the platform dying now?

See my post on the last page. Just because your not reading my responses on the issue doesn't mean I'm ignoring it.[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"] Consoles are more popularjasonheyman

Bzzt. There is an estimated 263 million PC gamers worldwide. That's larger than the userbases of the PS3, Wii, 360, Xbox, PS2 amd GameCube combined.

and have more games and are way better in sales. jasonheyman

So what if they have more games? Quantity doesn't equal quality.

  And before you try the download line then ask the devs who are starting to make console games along side PC's who are sick of losing money why they just don't stay PC exclusive since there is so much money being made in the download part of it! Huh funny they say they still lose money. I take the word of the people in the industry

jasonheyman

Again, refer to my post on the last page.

Fact sales go up and down for PC gaming depending on what MMO is out

Fact Devs in the industry say PC gaming has BIG issues with Piracy

Fact Devs are making games for consoles along side PC games because they are sick of losing money

Fact more than one individual from a software company has said PC gaming is on the fritz

Fact Consoles make more money in sales the PC

Fact sales go up and down for PC gaming depending on what MMO is out

Fact Devs in the industry say PC gaming has BIG issues with Piracy

Fact Devs are making games for consoles along side PC games because they are sick of losing money

Fact more than one individual from a software company has said PC gaming is on the fritz

Fact Consoles make more money in sales the PC

jasonheyman

Bzzt. There is an estimated 263 million PC gamers worldwide. That's larger than the userbases of the PS3, Wii, 360, Xbox, PS2 amd GameCube combined.

Danm_999

MAJOR FAIL with that number! The number between PC sales and actual PC gaming rigs is a fine line my friend try again

As it has always been 

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Fact Devs are making games for consoles along side PC games because they are sick of losing moneyjasonheyman

False. None of them was loosing money. They make games for consoles along side PC because they can make more money this way

Fact more than one individual from a software company has said PC gaming is on the fritzjasonheyman

So you have opinions of many peoples. And more than one individual from software company has said consoles will die out. I guess this makes it a fact, right

Fact Consoles make more money in sales the PC

jasonheyman

As they always did.

You want more facts?

Fact : console games cost far more than PC ones to make

Fact: console games cost many times more to advertise

Fact: only the biggest developers can survive on consoles.

Fact: most PC devs do not belong in above category

And no...sales steadily go up, the only thing that goes up and down are retail US only sales 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

 

Bzzt. There is an estimated 263 million PC gamers worldwide. That's larger than the userbases of the PS3, Wii, 360, Xbox, PS2 amd GameCube combined.

 

 

jasonheyman

MAJOR FAIL with that number! The number between PC sales and actual PC gaming rigs is a fine line my friend try again

"There are 263 million online PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

Please, review any source carefully before attempting to discredit it. It makes you look foolish.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for Fact 1 and Fact 3?Danm_999

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

jasonheyman

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

jasonheyman

You failed badly 

pc gaming is fine....but developers arent fine lol they running out of ideas.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

NO you fail! People in the industry who work day in and day out say these things! Whole software companies who said they never would do a console version of any game are going multi plat! And thats opinions? Whatever! Lets talk sales AdrianWerner

jasonheyman

So what! He is a PC fan and he is fair in his post. And it's funny Danm999 how you avoid the fact that whole software companies are making a move to consoles because their sick of losing money! It is person after person, company after company, PC is not the leading platform period. Consoles are more popular and have more games and are way better in sales. And before you try the download line then ask the devs who are starting to make console games along side PC's who are sick of losing money why they just don't stay PC exclusive since there is so much money being made in the download part of it! Huh funny they say they still lose money. I take the word of the people in the industry

Yet there are more AAA & AA eclusive PC games...

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

Danm_999

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

jasonheyman

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

jasonheyman

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

They never said anything about Piracy... self-owned!

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] No, that proves Fact 2. How does it prove, say, Fact 1?

 

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

Bebi_vegeta

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

They never said anything about Piracy... self-owned!

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

jasonheyman

Also, please find me a source where Blizzard complained about piracy and mentioned they were making console versions of their games.

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

 

I"m sure you can look it up! I recall it being something about Diablo 3 an MMO coming. Google or yahoo it

yoyo462001

They never said anything about Piracy... self-owned!

The reason why is because of Battlenet which makes Blizzard pretty much imune to piracy. And yes they have hinted at it due to the possible charge of their survice when Starcraft 2 is being released. Why is Blizzard and Valve taking all these safety precautions with WoW and L4D if Piracy isn't a problem? EA even went as far as to implent DRM and removing of LAN Co-Op support for Red Alert 3.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Do you have any evidence whatsoever for Fact 1 and Fact 3?Bebi_vegeta

Crytek, Blizzard more and more of the big wig companies have complained about piracy and are going to make console versions of games. Its on the net I'm sure you can find them

Please find me a link where blizzard complains about piracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!