PC gamers, don't you feel ripped off?

Now I'm obviously not talking about all PC gamers, mostly Steam users (which are apparently the majority of PC gamers.) I often hear how DD sales represent the majority of game sales on PC so I always wondered if all you people actually paying $50 for a digital downloads of a full games don't feel ripped off.

Sure, you get the same experience as a physical copy but that's only if you liked it.... what happens if the game ends up sucking? you don't have the physical copy to sell on Ebay or trade with a friend... do you just accept the fact that you wasted $50 and move on? Seems pretty awful to me....

There is obviously DD on consoles now too but rarely anyone uses it as few games are actually available on it so that's why I'm asking PC gamers who are always talking about Steam. Do you guys like being ripped off? why don't you go out and buy a physical copy for the same price?

I feel ripped off. It sucks having 150 games at my disposal on any computer with an internet connection, physical media is vastly superior.

The sales also kind of stink, getting GTAIV and all DLC for $8 broke the bank.

I buy from steam mainly because it's cheaper. I check up gameplay vids of games before I buy so I don't waste money.

Oh look, it's this guy AGAIN :lol: Let's see Steam keeps your games updated, they are there for you on ANY computer, I get awesome deals. Yea what a **** rip off. Just give it up dude.

If PC gamers felt ripped off for buying DD copies why would they continue to do it?

I can't trade in retail PC games here anyway, so I'm not fussed about that aspect of DD. I feel the opposite of ripped off actually, Portal 2 costs $80-$110 in stores where I live, on Steam it's $50 plus I get it instantly when it releases. It's an obvious choice.

I don't buy games at launch via DD. Stevo_the_gamer

I feel sorry for the TC.

This guy keep trying to find SOMETHING to fault PC gamers on. And he fails. every. time.

Do I fele ripped off?

Over the xmas holiday sale I purchased an ENTIRE PUBLISHERS LBRARY of gmes for the same amount I would have payed for a console game.

So the answer is no.

If there is one thing you absolutely can't criticize steam for, it's value for your dollar.

My only real problem with steam (and DD in general) is not knowing whether or not I'll be able to play the games I purchase today a decade of two from now.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I don't buy games at launch via DD. alfredooo

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

What a phailure. :P

Now I'm obviously not talking about all PC gamers, mostly Steam users (which are apparently the majority of PC gamers.) I often hear how DD sales represent the majority of game sales on PC so I always wondered if all you people actually paying $50 for a digital downloads of a full games don't feel ripped off.

Sure, you get the same experience as a physical copy but that's only if you liked it.... what happens if the game ends up sucking? you don't have the physical copy to sell on Ebay or trade with a friend... do you just accept the fact that you wasted $50 and move on? Seems pretty awful to me....

There is obviously DD on consoles now too but rarely anyone uses it as few games are actually available on it so that's why I'm asking PC gamers who are always talking about Steam. Do you guys like being ripped off? why don't you go out and buy a physical copy for the same price?

alfredooo

Simple, I deal with it. We have demos for a reason. I don't feel ripped off for buying a game at full price (Except for Crysis 2.) I wait until the price is right, digital or physical. I usually will spend more for a physical copy because I like boxarts.

Plus, you are only hurting the industry by promoting the used games market. It takes away money from the developers unlike pirating.

Some of us only have stores like Gamestop, Best Buy, and Walmart around us. We hate all of those for video games.

I'm very anti-physical media:

a) ruins the environment (paper is dead too IMO)

b) over time becomes unreadable (hence wasted)

c) limited access: I have my entire game library on any computer with internet

The REAL question: physical media purchasers - do you feel ripped off and sorry for destroying the planet?

Does anyone know how long that Potato Sack deal will remain available?

The REAL question: physical media purchasers - do you feel ripped off and sorry for destroying the planet?

haberman13

Nope. Not at all. In fact, not a single **** is given from me. My boxarts are far more important than the green movement.

I only pay $25 for PC games. and i dont feel ripped of.

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The REAL question: physical media purchasers - do you feel ripped off and sorry for destroying the planet?

ChubbyGuy40

Nope. Not at all. In fact, not a single **** is given from me. My boxarts are far more important than the green movement.

OK so you don't mind ruining the earth. What about having access to your entire library anywhere in the world that has an internet connection?

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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

The REAL question: physical media purchasers - do you feel ripped off and sorry for destroying the planet?

haberman13

Nope. Not at all. In fact, not a single **** is given from me. My boxarts are far more important than the green movement.

OK so you don't mind ruining the earth. What about having access to your entire library anywhere in the world that has an internet connection?

Why wait and download when I can just load off a DVD/Blu-Ray? I also backup each of my games on an external HDD. I'm a backup freak :P

Also yay for Steamworks!

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I don't buy games at launch via DD. Espada12

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Now I'm obviously not talking about all PC gamers, mostly Steam users (which are apparently the majority of PC gamers.) I often hear how DD sales represent the majority of game sales on PC so I always wondered if all you people actually paying $50 for a digital downloads of a full games don't feel ripped off.

Sure, you get the same experience as a physical copy but that's only if you liked it.... what happens if the game ends up sucking? you don't have the physical copy to sell on Ebay or trade with a friend... do you just accept the fact that you wasted $50 and move on? Seems pretty awful to me....

There is obviously DD on consoles now too but rarely anyone uses it as few games are actually available on it so that's why I'm asking PC gamers who are always talking about Steam. Do you guys like being ripped off? why don't you go out and buy a physical copy for the same price?

ChubbyGuy40

Plus, you are only hurting the industry by promoting the used games market. It takes away money from the developers unlike pirating.

used games hurt the industry but piracy doesn't huh? please elaborate...

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]That's smart. I'm just asking why to the people that do.... but apparently they have to go talk about sales and whatnot.

alfredooo

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

Physical media is vastly inferior to DD, assuming you care about the GAME and not the box it comes in.

Please respond to my previous argument about the environment, that alone invalidates physical media.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Now I'm obviously not talking about all PC gamers, mostly Steam users (which are apparently the majority of PC gamers.) I often hear how DD sales represent the majority of game sales on PC so I always wondered if all you people actually paying $50 for a digital downloads of a full games don't feel ripped off.

Sure, you get the same experience as a physical copy but that's only if you liked it.... what happens if the game ends up sucking? you don't have the physical copy to sell on Ebay or trade with a friend... do you just accept the fact that you wasted $50 and move on? Seems pretty awful to me....

There is obviously DD on consoles now too but rarely anyone uses it as few games are actually available on it so that's why I'm asking PC gamers who are always talking about Steam. Do you guys like being ripped off? why don't you go out and buy a physical copy for the same price?

lazerface216

Plus, you are only hurting the industry by promoting the used games market. It takes away money from the developers unlike pirating.

used games hurt the industry but piracy doesn't huh? please elaborate...

You can't judge whether a pirated download was from someone who decided to obtain it through illegal file sharing instead of paying for the game.

However used games have people paying money for a company's product, but the company is seeing no money from that sale.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]That's smart. I'm just asking why to the people that do.... but apparently they have to go talk about sales and whatnot.

alfredooo

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

Because in some places even on day one DD is significantly cheaper than retail. That and it's less of a hassle, just a few button clicks and you get the game the minute it launches.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

haberman13

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

How can we not be defensive when you present a challenge? By the nature of your question any answer is technically defensive unless we concede your poorly thought out criticism.

How about my previous posts where I destroy your argument and expose the terror that is physical media on the environment?

Physical media is vastly inferior to DD, even on day 1, assuming you care about the GAME and not the box it comes in.

These poorly thought out arguments are really hurting console gamers everywhere, I personally would stop out of respect for them.

I'm just asking a question, bro. I just assumed there was a good reason for buying DD on day one, apparently there isn't and I got a bunch of people angry for asking.

Your reason for going green is nice and it might apply to you I guess but I doubt that's what is going through some many people's minds when they buy the games. I could be wrong tho, maybe PC gamers love the environment and they are willing to risk more of their gaming money for it.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

haberman13

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

Physical media is vastly inferior to DD, assuming you care about the GAME and not the box it comes in.

Please respond to my previous argument about the environment, that alone invalidates physical media.

Some places have higher prices for physical copies when DD is cheaper, same vice versa.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]That's smart. I'm just asking why to the people that do.... but apparently they have to go talk about sales and whatnot.

alfredooo

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

hypoty

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

Because in some places even on day one DD is significantly cheaper than retail. That and it's less of a hassle, just a few button clicks and you get the game the minute it launches.

finally, a real answer. thank you, this actually makes sense. maybe most of the day one DD sales are outside of North America. It took almost two pages to get a real answer with all the defensive hermits around.

steam is just hype, you can find almost all physical games for the same price as in steam.

finally, a real answer. thank you, this actually makes sense. maybe most of the day one DD sales are outside of North America. It took almost two pages to get a real answer with all the defensive hermits around.

alfredooo

NOW I see your angle. :P I gotta tell you, you had me going there for a while, I was just waiting for the jab. :lol: 7/10

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

tagyhag

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

I don't buy games @ full price off steam, I'm not sure why some people do.

The main reason people love steam is the crazy sales.

That's how this guy works. He makes endless PC hate threads in hope that people with agree with him, when he only gets a couple he creates a new one. millerlight89

To his credit, he's a lot subtler than other consolites, so you gotta give credit when credit is due.

Yes, but life sucks anyways.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not talking about sales though, games are just naturally cheaper on steam for me.

tagyhag

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

What are you talking about, bro? I asked a question about DD day one sales and people went off on steam sales and enviromentally friendly stuff. Everyone on the first just went "OMG he is bashing PC gaming. gotta prove him wrong" took 2 pages for someone to actually answer my question.

What are you talking about, bro? I asked a question about DD day one sales and people went off on steam sales and enviromentally friendly stuff. Everyone on the first just went "OMG he is bashing PC gaming. gotta prove him wrong" took 2 pages for someone to actually answer my question.

alfredooo

People answered your title as to why they didn't feel ripped off. Just because it's not the answer you were hoping to hear (For whatever reason ;) ) Doesn't mean anyone is attacking you.

If you knew anything about steam you'd know that they make their most money on crazy 75% weekend deals and the like. I rarely pay full price for games on steam.

Well us PC gamers like to buy new copies to put money in the hands of the developers and not gamestop who contributes nothing to games. If you think piracy is bad and is killing the industry you should take a look at used game sales. To me their exactly the same, with used game sales the publisher can actually say 1 used game sale= 1 lost sale

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and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

alfredooo

What are you talking about, bro? I asked a question about DD day one sales and people went off on steam sales and enviromentally friendly stuff. Everyone on the first just went "OMG he is bashing PC gaming. gotta prove him wrong" took 2 pages for someone to actually answer my question.

If only you'd answered my question on the first page :(

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

alfredooo

Well because I want the game day one? I mean I buy console games day one when I want them, I don't see why DD should be any different.

I remember when SW was a fun place to post.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

and that's cool.... all I'm asking is why would anyone (and there is apparently plenty of people) buy a DD on day 1. That's all. Sadly, all the hermits here went on defensive as soon as I questioned one aspect of Steam. I'm not even criticising the value of PC gaming, as a whole because you can still get physical copies of games.... I'm not even saying Steam is bad.

Espada12

Well because I want the game day one? I mean I buy console games day one when I want them, I don't see why DD should be any different.

Being charged the retail price for a digital copy isn't exactly the greatest deal on the surface and I do still favour retail for several reasons, but when you think about it a modern retail release usually contains nothing but the DVD and a flimsy manual that basically says "play the tutorial LULZ", so you're not missing out on much. You can usually get a great deal if you wait for the right moment, and no matter what price you buy it at the publisher and/or developer gets a much larger slice of that pie. This is why they can regularly offer 10% off pre-purchase deals with free games and Team Fortress 2 hats and whatever; even with the cost of these bonuses factored in they still come out better off than if you had bought a physical copy at retail price.