PC gamers hating Halo

Well, i'm a PC gamer, ive played and loved halflife 1 and 2, duke nukem, battlefield andthestarsiege tribes series and i'm currently playing quakewars... i also have halo 3 on the 360....

I don't see how halo 3 is years behind pc fps gaming, honestly? I don't even see how it's just "average" and "done before"?

It's an fps, granted, but for me the melee and grenade hotkeys, sticky grenades and arcadey vehicles give it a pretty unique feel compared to other shooters, just like how jetpacks are unique to tribes. Then, certain events like the Scarab battles in the SP campaign... where you're taking down this giant 4 legged metallic monster with a tiny atv , dogfights going overhead, squadmates getting crushed underneath, WHILE taking on the scarab's crew and trying to blow it's generator.... Sorry but i don't know any other fps that has that same scope nor "rush" that halo 3 can put on the table... And what about COOP?? No pc game has yet to include the feature even though the SVEN mod for HL 1 was awesome/popular.

Oh and to the PC guy in the the link, ewoks RULED :P

R0GUY

SWAT 4 and most tom clancy's games have co up

They hate it due to jealousy.dracula_16

Says the guy who think Halo 3 is the best FPS out there

I'm a PC gamer and love the Halo series :?

I prefer Farcry and Stalker but I still love my Halo (which for some reason feels more natural with a controller).

Ok people, here's the thing. Halo is never gonna be that great to PC gamers. They rant on about "complexity" and 64 player multiplayer but fail to realize why Halo is so popular.

Split Screen people! Four players online or on coop is real fun. You don't need story or complexity to have a fun shooter that plays smooth and looks good. A lot of Xbox owners are college kids who want a hardcore multi-player shooter. Halo is the best out there as far as split screen goes.

So go ahead and bash me about superior FPS on the PC and "everything you can do on a console you can do ona PC", but ultimately you can't do split screen on PCs. Hermits game alone, and will never have as much fun as groups of people do with Halo.

Lots of PCpeople like Halo 3 but they consider themselves PC owners not gamers. Also there are a lot of child PC gamers now not sure how the hell they convince their parents to buy them a gaming rig but their naivity and abiting on anything they dont own or like is the real reason a lot of PC gamers hate Halo. Most I know in their 20-40 range like Halo some love it and most would like to enjoy it on their computer.

I had a lot more fun with halo 3's SP than I ever did withHalf Life 2's.

I had a lot more fun with halo 3's SP than I ever did withHalf Life 2's.

Juggernaut140

I'm sorry but any Halo series single player FAILS MISERABLY compared to Half-Life 2's. 99 percent of people agree with it.

Halo hate?

Come off it.

Most Pc gamers are quite critical of the game, as they can experience the biggest range, and most great FPSs.
Halo is a great game no doubt, but its no wonder PC gamers are so critical - look at the difference in standards of the platform.

I had a lot more fun with halo 3's SP than I ever did withHalf Life 2's.

Juggernaut140

Well...I need to disagree with some of the things the guy said.

1. The Level design in Halo 3 is great, that's one of the most important details in the game. Only the Library in Halo: Combat Evolved was repetive.

DuDisNow

Just the Library? No.

The Maw was a virtual copy of the Pillar of Autumn, including a driving sequence. Two Betrayals was almost an exact copy of the level searching for the control room and the level looking for Keyes was a duplicate of the Truth and Reconcialiation.

Halo 1's level design was extremely repetitive, and that's not really debated in serious discussion.

I see two major assumptions at play here that are just wrong;

1) PC gamers hate Halo.

Look at this thread. Most (including myself) don't. A lot actually like it. It's the hype they don't like.

2) The reasons a PC gamer might hate Halo. And there are a lot of stupid ones. Here are some.

Its simple...Envy. They wonder...How could such a game. Become the biggest in the industry? Why are people having so much fun with it while stuff like HL2 are so much better. Best way to sum it up, Elitism. You will here **** like, But PC has mods!!! Its Superior!! Yadada. But when it comes down to it...What is the most important thing? Is it fun? Simple, Easy, But challenging at the sametime? On a technical level, how can anything be superoir to PC on consule? PC has far greater graphics, sound, space, pretty much everything. But it doesn't mean its fun. They consider the hardest achieve in writing, moviemaking, everything to make something which appeals to a higher level, but at the sametime easy enough for anyone to gasp. Why is it Blizzard's games are so much more popular then literially everything else? Easy to learn, Hard to master. Most PC fans are stuck with the idea that more is always better. Better on a technical level means a better game. Yet that is not the case sometimes.Shinoto

This one for example assumes that PC gamers both do not have access to Halo on consoles, or even on their PC, which is untrue, and that envy and elitism motivate them.

Or this one:

2.PC gamers don't like it because they're stuck to their keyboard and mouse, and I really don't care about that, but when they go to post reviews they give is '1's over and over, which shows they're just haters, nothing more, nothing less.

DuDisNow

Which assumes PC gamers hate Halo because of the KB/M. Ridiculous as it's both irrelevant, and because Halo can be played with a KB/M.

My full thoughts on the issue

If you can handle a cup of fresh brewed truth, give it a read.

[QUOTE="plat1num913"]pc gaming is not as good as people claim it is, pretty sad actually ive played what the pc has to offer and ive had more fun on the consoles sorry hermzsSubZerOo

And another person could say the exact same thing about consoles, was there a point to this post? No one is saying PC is the best out there, just that Halo 3 is way over-rated by the attention and rants it gets, nothing more nothing less. Its a fun game no doubt, I would give it a 8.0 to 8.5 a very respectable score indeed, but hyping is as one of teh best games/shooters of all time? no.

Agreed. Its not as "amazing" as it was hyped to be. There are many things that could have been improved. From registering hits with lag, to just the sheer amount of annoyance when it comes to too many weapons on a map (or nades for that matter) in one area. It gets to the point where its Nade Spamfest 2007. It IS a fun game, but like said before. Not best FPS ever, nor GOTY either. It was a huge disappointment in my book.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]Played it hated it.Fignewton50

I have Halo 3 and I am a PC gamer, I love it a lot. I'd say it was one of my favorite games ever.The_Ish

PC gamers don't like it because they would have to admit that a game that isen't initially on the PC is a great game. Give them about three years and they won't mind it.borgmaster

Did you actaully watch the video?

I have only played Halo: CE. It was a fun game and I rate it in the top five PC shooters. That being said, people are wondering why Halo has is as acclaimed as it is. The answer is quite simple: marketing.

No game has received the funding, marketing and subsequently the over-exposure of Halo 3.None. That is why it is in everyone's face. Despite not playing the game, I would imagine there are games that provide just as much entertainment as Halo 3, and although I would probably enjoy the game, I am not going out and buying a 360 for it.

I also imagine there is quite a bit of pressure on the video game press for this game. A lot of funding for video game sites come from the publishers of games. I'm sure each web-site that reviews this game received marketing money from Microsoft. I feel that certainly has to be taken in consideration when examining the validity of reviews.

One only needs to look at the pitiful score Halo 2 scored on PC. Sure it was released a couple of years later. But it WAS game of the year on the Xbox and overall GOTY of that year was it not? And to score a 7.0? Wow.

So, Halo 3 is what it is because of the tens of millions used to market it and make it seem "larger than life". When the dust settles and it if it finally makes it to PC, it will probably get a 7.5.

I have only played Halo: CE. It was a fun game and I rate it in the top five PC shooters. That being said, people are wondering why Halo has is as acclaimed as it is. The answer is quite simple: marketing.

No game has received the funding, marketing and subsequently the over-exposure of Halo 3.None. That is why it is in everyone's face. Despite not playing the game, I would imagine there are games that provide just as much entertainment as Halo 3, and although I would probably enjoy the game, I am not going out and buying a 360 for it.

I also imagine there is quite a bit of pressure on the video game press for this game. A lot of funding for video game sites come from the publishers of games. I'm sure each web-site that reviews this game received marketing money from Microsoft. I feel that certainly has to be taken in consideration when examining the validity of reviews.

One only needs to look at the pitiful score Halo 2 scored on PC. Sure it was released a couple of years later. But it WAS game of the year on the Xbox and overall GOTY of that year was it not? And to score a 7.0? Wow.

So, Halo 3 is what it is because of the tens of millions used to market it and make it seem "larger than life". When the dust settles and it if it finally makes it to PC, it will probably get a 7.5.

Subcritical

buh buh capitalism is a fairy land with the holy capitalists respecting the customer and the masses in general and the laws...

I am probably one of the most rabid PC guys here and the only problem I have with it is the hype. I can't understand for the life of me why people hype Halo 2 and 3. I liked the first one, but the game was not so epic to me that it deserves to be hyped up to monumental levels. It is actually nuts how much coverage a game like Halo 3 gets while arguably better games get no media. Literally no PC games get any advertising while Halo 3 is like the second coming (third rather). That is really the only problem most PC gamers have with the Halo series.

I also have another gripe. Before Microsoft aquired Bungie Halo was going to be released on PC with a vastly different multiplayer than what shipped on Xbox. Bungie was going to introduce a Battlefield type multiplayer all the way back then on the PC. It was going to be Halo multiplayer on a massive scale including Covenant and Human motherships where both sides would launch their campaigns. They would literally land on Halo from the motherships. There was going to be space battles as well as battles taking place on the surface of Halo. All of Halo was going to accessable at once, but you would still have to deploy to a certain area or theater of combat. All of that was on track for the PC and it would have been released unfortunately Microsoft bought up Bungie and that was the end of Halo exclusivity on the PC. Because of Microsoft's time constraints they were forced to cut out that part of the multiplayer and thus you have the Xbox version of Halo which is IMHO half the game it would have been on the PC.

I am probably one of the most rabid PC guys here and the only problem I have with it is the hype. I can't understand for the life of me why people hype Halo 2 and 3. I liked the first one, but the game was not so epic to me that it deserves to be hyped up to monumental levels. It is actually nuts how much coverage a game like Halo 3 gets while arguably better games get no media. Literally no PC games get any advertising while Halo 3 is like the second coming (third rather). That is really the only problem most PC gamers have with the Halo series.

I also have another gripe. Before Microsoft aquired Bungie Halo was going to be released on PC with a vastly different multiplayer than what shipped on Xbox. Bungie was going to introduce a Battlefield type multiplayer all the way back then on the PC. It was going to be Halo multiplayer on a massive scale including Covenant and Human motherships where both sides would launch their campaigns. They would literally land on Halo from the motherships. There was going to be space battles as well as battles taking place on the surface of Halo. All of Halo was going to accessable at once, but you would still have to deploy to a certain area or theater of combat. All of that was on track for the PC and it would have been released unfortunately Microsoft bought up Bungie and that was the end of Halo exclusivity on the PC. Because of Microsoft's time constraints they were forced to cut out that part of the multiplayer and thus you have the Xbox version of Halo which is IMHO half the game it would have been on the PC.

MadExponent

:o I never knew that

Halo 3, no all console shooters, simply feel and play different than PC shooters. It all really comesdown to control, kb/m or a joypad. I think this differentiation is what really seperates the games, even more so than all the technical advantages PC shooters have.

Yes you can play a PC shooter with a joypad but it was designed to be played with a KB/m. When Killzone 2 comes out it will be kb/m compatible but it still won't be a fluid as playing any PC shooter simply because itwas designed to rely on the player having a joypad.

Personally I like both although I do find that I can game for longer amounts of time comfortably on a controller than on the kb/m. Yes there are a plethora of other stark differences commonly found between the two but this difference I believe to be the biggest.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I am probably one of the most rabid PC guys here and the only problem I have with it is the hype. I can't understand for the life of me why people hype Halo 2 and 3. I liked the first one, but the game was not so epic to me that it deserves to be hyped up to monumental levels. It is actually nuts how much coverage a game like Halo 3 gets while arguably better games get no media. Literally no PC games get any advertising while Halo 3 is like the second coming (third rather). That is really the only problem most PC gamers have with the Halo series.

I also have another gripe. Before Microsoft aquired Bungie Halo was going to be released on PC with a vastly different multiplayer than what shipped on Xbox. Bungie was going to introduce a Battlefield type multiplayer all the way back then on the PC. It was going to be Halo multiplayer on a massive scale including Covenant and Human motherships where both sides would launch their campaigns. They would literally land on Halo from the motherships. There was going to be space battles as well as battles taking place on the surface of Halo. All of Halo was going to accessable at once, but you would still have to deploy to a certain area or theater of combat. All of that was on track for the PC and it would have been released unfortunately Microsoft bought up Bungie and that was the end of Halo exclusivity on the PC. Because of Microsoft's time constraints they were forced to cut out that part of the multiplayer and thus you have the Xbox version of Halo which is IMHO half the game it would have been on the PC.

Lonelynight

:o I never knew that

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I am probably one of the most rabid PC guys here and the only problem I have with it is the hype. I can't understand for the life of me why people hype Halo 2 and 3. I liked the first one, but the game was not so epic to me that it deserves to be hyped up to monumental levels. It is actually nuts how much coverage a game like Halo 3 gets while arguably better games get no media. Literally no PC games get any advertising while Halo 3 is like the second coming (third rather). That is really the only problem most PC gamers have with the Halo series.

I also have another gripe. Before Microsoft aquired Bungie Halo was going to be released on PC with a vastly different multiplayer than what shipped on Xbox. Bungie was going to introduce a Battlefield type multiplayer all the way back then on the PC. It was going to be Halo multiplayer on a massive scale including Covenant and Human motherships where both sides would launch their campaigns. They would literally land on Halo from the motherships. There was going to be space battles as well as battles taking place on the surface of Halo. All of Halo was going to accessable at once, but you would still have to deploy to a certain area or theater of combat. All of that was on track for the PC and it would have been released unfortunately Microsoft bought up Bungie and that was the end of Halo exclusivity on the PC. Because of Microsoft's time constraints they were forced to cut out that part of the multiplayer and thus you have the Xbox version of Halo which is IMHO half the game it would have been on the PC.

Lonelynight

:o I never knew that

those bastards :evil:

Well...I need to disagree with some of the things the guy said.

1. The Level design in Halo 3 is great, that's one of the most important details in the game. Only the Library in Halo: Combat Evolved was repetive.

Danm_999

The action seriously boggs down - as does the pacing, and the amount of backtracking -woeful. Some levels are quite well done and great fun (e.g. Level 1, 3 and 4), but most of the others are very very average. And Bungie even has the nerve to re-use locations. Lazy.

If you also notice Halo CE was critised for exactly the same thing.

It was originally planned to be a MAC RTS, then a MAC/PC RTS. One day while one of the devs was playing around with the debug camera following some random solider, they decided it would be better to make an action game that focused on one rather than an RTS. That's when MS stepped in and the rest is history.
Spartan070

Halo went from RTS into non linear Guerilla Warefare FPS on PC and Mac, before losing everything that made it such a 'WOW' Fps on PC, when MS bought bungie and shifted it to Xbox.

Heck i'll muster up some old previews. I was hyped for CE when it was comming to Mac and PC as an FPS, and the game turned out very differently. All primary experience.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I am probably one of the most rabid PC guys here and the only problem I have with it is the hype. I can't understand for the life of me why people hype Halo 2 and 3. I liked the first one, but the game was not so epic to me that it deserves to be hyped up to monumental levels. It is actually nuts how much coverage a game like Halo 3 gets while arguably better games get no media. Literally no PC games get any advertising while Halo 3 is like the second coming (third rather). That is really the only problem most PC gamers have with the Halo series.

I also have another gripe. Before Microsoft aquired Bungie Halo was going to be released on PC with a vastly different multiplayer than what shipped on Xbox. Bungie was going to introduce a Battlefield type multiplayer all the way back then on the PC. It was going to be Halo multiplayer on a massive scale including Covenant and Human motherships where both sides would launch their campaigns. They would literally land on Halo from the motherships. There was going to be space battles as well as battles taking place on the surface of Halo. All of Halo was going to accessable at once, but you would still have to deploy to a certain area or theater of combat. All of that was on track for the PC and it would have been released unfortunately Microsoft bought up Bungie and that was the end of Halo exclusivity on the PC. Because of Microsoft's time constraints they were forced to cut out that part of the multiplayer and thus you have the Xbox version of Halo which is IMHO half the game it would have been on the PC.

Spartan070

:o I never knew that

There was a period where it was changed to a PC exclusive FPS and it was in development for like 6-8 months in that form before Microsoft aquired Bungie. Hell there was even rumors that Bungie shopped Halo the FPS for console development including PS2. I think if you look around hard enough you can probably still dig up screens of Halo on PS2.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

I had a lot more fun with halo 3's SP than I ever did withHalf Life 2's.

3ggman

I'm sorry but any Halo series single player FAILS MISERABLY compared to Half-Life 2's. 99 percent of people agree with it.

I would much rather play 4 co op with my friends, riding on the back of mongooses with rocket launchers taking out a scarab than play Half Life. And I've played every Half Life game (Half Life, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, Half Life 2) Before I played Halo 1. Oh yeah, and honestly, I don't give a damn about other peoples opinions.