PC gaming is alot cheaper than consoles

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

One person here was saying how he built a PC for around £400 which could play crysis on high settings.

LosDaddie

I'd love to see proof of that claim.

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

One person here was saying how he built a PC for around £400 which could play crysis on high settings.

I'd love to see proof of that claim.

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

One person here was saying how he built a PC for around £400 which could play crysis on high settings.

I'd love to see proof of that claim.

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I'd love to see proof of that claim.

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

[QUOTE="Nokanhav"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

PC gaming isn't a cheap as console gaming is, but at the same time, it isn't as expensive as everyone thinks.

With games on average being about 20$ cheaper, if you buy a lot of games it's many times cheaper.

And if you rent a lot of games, console gaming is many times cheaper :)

Oh, do you really know what makes console gaming more expensive? Less games to pirate than on the PC. Way more games can be downloaded for free illegally on the PC than on any console.

At launch £400 is cheaper than a ps3. Like I said if you shop around and build it yourself then its about the same. And then consider how much cheeper TFT's are whilst being of similar or better quality than HDTV's. Then you can buy any controller you want, saving money. And the games are cheaper. And if it is a bit more expensive your talking crysis high setting graphics, way worth it imo.NinjaMunkey01

It's not cheeper then a 360.

Monitors do HDMI.

HDMI is electronically compadible with DVI.

Console gaming is cheeper.

At launch doesn't really matter as the hardware back then could not run Crysis at high for $650.

Oh, do you really know what makes console gaming more expensive? Less games to pirate than on the PC. Way more games can be downloaded for free illegally on the PC than on any console.

Haha! Now what do you have to say to that?Mawy_Golomb

Umm..

"TOS violation"?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I'd love to see proof of that claim.

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

The 4850 is only £80 and will run Crysis on high no problemo, go find one, a core 2 duo and a cheapish motherboard/ case and you are almost set. I go for more expensive reputable sellers/parts though. The PSU is the most important part of your PC and that needs to be top notch so under £500 is really out of the question in that respect. It's doable but not desirable. BoloTheGreat

Yeah, a rig that cheep would have about the same failure rate as a 360.

*hides*

I've found the same, thanks to digital distribution you can find great games off of STEAM and GOG for under $10 or $20 and the only part I've replaced since early 2007 is the video card, which only cost me around $120 (9800 GT). Which I also overcloced it, because it's ridiculously easy on NVIDIA cards (not sure about ATI, I've never had one).

And you don't get charged for map packs either, most console players rip themsevles off and buy those overpriced map packs for $10 piece month after month. It's free on the PC, yay.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

£400 = $650.

It is doable.

But not cheeper then consoles.

BoloTheGreat

five year proof? I dont think so man. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=6

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]The 4850 is only £80 and will run Crysis on high no problemo, go find one, a core 2 duo and a cheapish motherboard/ case and you are almost set. I go for more expensive reputable sellers/parts though. The PSU is the most important part of your PC and that needs to be top notch so under £500 is really out of the question in that respect. It's doable but not desirable. Irick_cb

Yeah, a rig that cheep would have about the same failure rate as a 360.

*hides*

A PC could never have a life span as short as a console if it's built correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if that computer lasted longer than a PS3 if it's not overclocked or mistreated.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]At launch £400 is cheaper than a ps3. Like I said if you shop around and build it yourself then its about the same. And then consider how much cheeper TFT's are whilst being of similar or better quality than HDTV's. Then you can buy any controller you want, saving money. And the games are cheaper. And if it is a bit more expensive your talking crysis high setting graphics, way worth it imo.Irick_cb

It's not cheeper then a 360.

Monitors do HDMI.

HDMI is electronically compadible with DVI.

Console gaming is cheeper.

At launch doesn't really matter as the hardware back then could not run Crysis at high for $650.

If you rent you're just throwing away money. I wouldn't even list that as a bonus.

If you rent you're just throwing away money. I wouldn't even list that as a bonus.

Nokanhav

Well right now you can get crysis at high settings for £400, NinjaMunkey01

Again, I'd love to see proof of that claim.

Well right now you can get crysis at high settings for £400, and that will continually get cheaper. Controllers can be bought cheaper No paying for Live Dont have to pay for DLC Games are cheaper to buy Hard drives are cheaper to buy And at the end of the day you could make a PC which maybe doesnt do crysis on high settings but still blows away consoles. At a cheaper price. Since you need a pc these days anyway the extra price isnt too bad since its just on top of a normal pc Fact is if you play your cards right its so much cheaper. Especially in the long run.NinjaMunkey01

live is optional.

a controller comes with the console.

DLC is optional.

Hdds are optional (rediculously over priced)

Every argument against the PS3 costing less in the long run can be made against your statement.

Furthermore the PS2 has gotten nearly 10 years of support.

Fact is if you play your cards right it is so much cheaper.

Especially in the long.

(See what i did there?)

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] Well right now you can get crysis at high settings for £400, LosDaddie

Again, I'd love to see proof of that claim.

A PC could never have a life span as short as a console if it's built correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if that computer lasted longer than a PS3 if it's not overclocked or mistreated.

Nokanhav

Not if it is that poor quality hardware.

that's why you don't skimp out when you build for longevity.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]Well right now you can get crysis at high settings for £400, and that will continually get cheaper. Controllers can be bought cheaper No paying for Live Dont have to pay for DLC Games are cheaper to buy Hard drives are cheaper to buy And at the end of the day you could make a PC which maybe doesnt do crysis on high settings but still blows away consoles. At a cheaper price. Since you need a pc these days anyway the extra price isnt too bad since its just on top of a normal pc Fact is if you play your cards right its so much cheaper. Especially in the long run.Irick_cb

live is optional.

a controller comes with the console.

DLC is optional.

Hdds are optional (rediculously over priced)

Every argument against the PS3 costing less in the long run can be made against your statement.

Furthermore the PS2 has gotten nearly 10 years of support.

Fact is if you play your cards right it is so much cheaper.

Especially in the long.

(See what i did there?)

Tbh youve either got to take mine and that other guys word for it,NinjaMunkey01

No, I will not do that.

Either provide proof of your claim, or just don't make the claim at all :)

DLC is free on the PC, which is much better tham having the option to pay imo Hard drives are not optional anymore. On the ps3 you need it, and may need to upgrade it, and forza 3 will have cars and tracks on a second disk, so without a hard drive, you cant get access to that content you paid for. And this game could open the gamtes for more devs to do the same unfortunately. What i meant is that to keep playing the best games on consles you have to buy the next console, with a PC you have the choice to tune down the graphics to an extent, or upgrade, and since youve already got the bare bones, you sell our old parts and upgrade, much cheaper. Great the ps2 got 10 years of support, but hats releasing for it now? horrible wii ports by EA and hanna montana??? Nice try.NinjaMunkey01

MeltyBlood

My logic is flawless.

DLC is free on the PC, which is much better tham having the option to pay imo Hard drives are not optional anymore. On the ps3 you need it, and may need to upgrade it, and forza 3 will have cars and tracks on a second disk, so without a hard drive, you cant get access to that content you paid for. And this game could open the gamtes for more devs to do the same unfortunately. What i meant is that to keep playing the best games on consles you have to buy the next console, with a PC you have the choice to tune down the graphics to an extent, or upgrade, and since youve already got the bare bones, you sell our old parts and upgrade, much cheaper. Great the ps2 got 10 years of support, but hats releasing for it now? horrible wii ports by EA and hanna montana??? Nice try.NinjaMunkey01

I'm just saying that PC gaming is odds-on more expensive than consoles, not to mention more complicated. But then again, it's not extremely expensive, either, and it's also worth it most of the time.

PS. Not to mention, there are genres underrepresented in both PCs and consoles (few RTS's on consoles, few JRPGs on PCs).

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]Tbh youve either got to take mine and that other guys word for it,LosDaddie

No, I will not do that.

Either provide proof of your claim, or just don't make the claim at all :)

Think bout it, i bet at least 99% of people using this board are using a PC to use this site, i think the average cost of standard PCs here in the UK is £400-£500? Then you go and spend another £280 (PS3 price for example) on a console. Thats at least £680 now. You can get a custom built pc with much better parts for the same price as places like PC world, even cheaper if you build it yourself. Not to mention the standard price for PC games is about £25 where as console games are £40.

PC

Good 1680x1050 TFT £150

5 year future proof rig £500 (even after that the only expensive upgrades are CPU and GPU, new consoles coming out after that much time will cost more than upgraded hardware)

Games £25

=£650 + £25 each game

Console

HDTV 32" (as most people have 32" it seems) £500 for good brand

Console £180 - £300

Games £40

= £800 (PS3) + £40 each game

The price of console games alone make it far more expensive than PC gaming in the long run.

I have a a decent PC and a 32" HDTV with a 360, i much prefer PC gaming and it does work out cheaper, but the problem is the PC game market is getting slower and slower with little good exclusives and watered down console ports.

TnR_eclipse

edit: nevermind didnt see that you listed it up there xD. selfpwned

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]DLC is free on the PC, which is much better tham having the option to pay imo Hard drives are not optional anymore. On the ps3 you need it, and may need to upgrade it, and forza 3 will have cars and tracks on a second disk, so without a hard drive, you cant get access to that content you paid for. And this game could open the gamtes for more devs to do the same unfortunately. What i meant is that to keep playing the best games on consles you have to buy the next console, with a PC you have the choice to tune down the graphics to an extent, or upgrade, and since youve already got the bare bones, you sell our old parts and upgrade, much cheaper. Great the ps2 got 10 years of support, but hats releasing for it now? horrible wii ports by EA and hanna montana??? Nice try.Irick_cb

MeltyBlood

My logic is flawless.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="h575309"] id really love to see that, and it be future proof for five years (no seriously, cause id prolly build one)h575309

five year proof? I dont think so man. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=6

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] DLC is free on the PC, which is much better tham having the option to pay imo Hard drives are not optional anymore. On the ps3 you need it, and may need to upgrade it, and forza 3 will have cars and tracks on a second disk, so without a hard drive, you cant get access to that content you paid for. And this game could open the gamtes for more devs to do the same unfortunately. What i meant is that to keep playing the best games on consles you have to buy the next console, with a PC you have the choice to tune down the graphics to an extent, or upgrade, and since youve already got the bare bones, you sell our old parts and upgrade, much cheaper. Great the ps2 got 10 years of support, but hats releasing for it now? horrible wii ports by EA and hanna montana??? Nice try.HuusAsking

I'm just saying that PC gaming is odds-on more expensive than consoles, not to mention more complicated. But then again, it's not extremely expensive, either, and it's also worth it most of the time.

PS. Not to mention, there are genres underrepresented in both PCs and consoles (few RTS's on consoles, few JRPGs on PCs).

So yeah, dont believe me for all I care, at the end of the day your opinion isnt going to change mine any time soon. :)NinjaMunkey01

Besides the fact I haven't stated an opinion;I hope you learned a lesson of not making claims without being able to back them up. :)

Such tactics may work on other users, but not me

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]DLC is free on the PC, which is much better tham having the option to pay imo Hard drives are not optional anymore. On the ps3 you need it, and may need to upgrade it, and forza 3 will have cars and tracks on a second disk, so without a hard drive, you cant get access to that content you paid for. And this game could open the gamtes for more devs to do the same unfortunately. What i meant is that to keep playing the best games on consles you have to buy the next console, with a PC you have the choice to tune down the graphics to an extent, or upgrade, and since youve already got the bare bones, you sell our old parts and upgrade, much cheaper. Great the ps2 got 10 years of support, but hats releasing for it now? horrible wii ports by EA and hanna montana??? Nice try.NinjaMunkey01

MeltyBlood

My logic is flawless.

Good luck running "As good at a technical level as anything this gen" on a 2000 PC.

The PS2 is still supported in through 2009.

It still gets worthwhile games and has a large library of utter gems, or did you forget?

here are a few games for this year.

• Ghostbusters: The Video Game
• Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings
• Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
• The King of Fighters '98 Ultimate Match

Hows that?

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]So yeah, dont believe me for all I care, at the end of the day your opinion isnt going to change mine any time soon. :)LosDaddie

Besides the fact I haven't stated an opinion;I hope you learned a lesson of not making claims without being able to back them up. :)

Such tactics may work on other users, but not me

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

MeltyBlood

My logic is flawless.

Good luck running "As good at a technical level as anything this gen" on a 2000 PC.

The PS2 is still supported in through 2009.

It still gets worthwhile games and has a large library of utter gems, or did you forget?

here are a few games for this year.

• Ghostbusters: The Video Game
• Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings
• Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
• The King of Fighters '98 Ultimate Match

Hows that?

As worthwhile as crysis, C&C4, better versions of multiplats ect??? Maybe for you, but for me, no contest... And the PC has an even larger library of brilliant games stretching back further than the ps2 or 1.NinjaMunkey01

Good luck trying to play crysis on a 2000 PC.

It still stands that the PS2 is still supported nearly ten years later.

And it is cheeper then a PC.

Disprove my points.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]As worthwhile as crysis, C&C4, better versions of multiplats ect??? Maybe for you, but for me, no contest... And the PC has an even larger library of brilliant games stretching back further than the ps2 or 1.Irick_cb

Good luck trying to play crysis on a 2000 PC.

It still stands that the PS2 is still supported nearly ten years later.

And it is cheeper then a PC.

Disprove my points.

But I dont thing you are worth the toruble it would take to do so... NinjaMunkey01

I don't think you can back up your claims and you're just upset someone challenged you on them :)

you forgot to note that in order to run a pc you need an operating system, and accessories like keyboard/mouse.

now if we're talking about pc being alot cheaper as a multimedia system it beats the crap out of consoles for the price.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

As worthwhile as crysis, C&C4, better versions of multiplats ect??? Maybe for you, but for me, no contest... And the PC has an even larger library of brilliant games stretching back further than the ps2 or 1.Irick_cb

Good luck trying to play crysis on a 2000 PC.

It still stands that the PS2 is still supported nearly ten years later.

And it is cheeper then a PC.

Disprove my points.

The PC has existed since... since home gaming has really. It's a continuous platform with almost infinite compatibility, you talk about a 10 year lifespan whilst I'm still playing CnC in it's original format on the same system, its expendable the PC is one big blurred line. I don't see you point. I can go out. buy a netbook and play quake 3 till my arms drop off. You just don't get it do you? The PC has a back catalogue longer than 20 years, it's the ultimate survivor.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]But I dont thing you are worth the toruble it would take to do so... LosDaddie

I don't think you can back up your claims and you're just upset someone challenged you on them :)

Since when were we talking about 2000 PC's??? I had the impression that we were talking about now, current gen... If we were talking about 2000 then god yes a ps2 would be cheaper, and have better graphics. But this is 2009... And like I said if you really want to go 10 years with one console, then yes its cheaper, but tbh i couldnt do that, it just wouldnt be good enough for my gaming needs. NinjaMunkey01

Console gaming is cheeper then PC gaming.

I have proven the title wrong with the PS2 beyond a doubt.

Now if we move onto the HD consoles we can debate "modern" games.

A 360 will play multiplats and exclusives for only 200$, throw in 50$ more and get a 20 GB hard drive.

250$ PCs could not come close to the 360's graphical performance.

Arguing from a longevity standpoint there are few 2005 rigs that could match the 360 in the graphics department.

And no GPU at the cost of a launch core model could either in 2005.

The PC has existed since... since home gaming has really. It's a continuous platform with almost infinite compatibility, you talk about a 10 year lifespan whilst I'm still playing CnC in it's original format on the same system, its expendable the PC is one big blurred line. I don't see you point. I can go out. buy a netbook and play quake 3 till my arms drop off. You just don't get it do you? The PC has a back catalogue longer than 20 years, it's the ultimate survivor.

BoloTheGreat

Good luck playing a 2009 game on it.

If you are arguing the PC is cheeper to game then consoles, then feel free to match wits.

if not i don't disagree with you.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

The PC has existed since... since home gaming has really. It's a continuous platform with almost infinite compatibility, you talk about a 10 year lifespan whilst I'm still playing CnC in it's original format on the same system, its expendable the PC is one big blurred line. I don't see you point. I can go out. buy a netbook and play quake 3 till my arms drop off. You just don't get it do you? The PC has a back catalogue longer than 20 years, it's the ultimate survivor.

Irick_cb

Good luck playing a 2009 game on it.

If you are arguing the PC is cheeper to game then consoles, then feel free to match wits.

if not i don't disagree with you.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]Since when were we talking about 2000 PC's??? I had the impression that we were talking about now, current gen... If we were talking about 2000 then god yes a ps2 would be cheaper, and have better graphics. But this is 2009... And like I said if you really want to go 10 years with one console, then yes its cheaper, but tbh i couldnt do that, it just wouldnt be good enough for my gaming needs. Irick_cb

Console gaming is cheeper then PC gaming.

I have proven the title wrong with the PS2 beyond a doubt.

Now if we move onto the HD consoles we can debate "modern" games.

A 360 will play multiplats and exclusives for only 200$, throw in 50$ more and get a 20 GB hard drive.

250$ PCs could not come close to the 360's graphical performance.

Arguing from a longevity standpoint there are few 2005 rigs that could match the 360 in the graphics department.

And no GPU at the cost of a launch core model could either in 2005.

a 2009 game? You do realise the PC has an Indie sector the size of Peter Molyneux's mouth? "PC gaming" is a very wide term, if i just wanted to play certain types of games then I could just buy a £250 computer and so that, no one says i have to play crysis. PC gaming is what price you put on it and thus you automatically lose this argument. ;)

BoloTheGreat

I got an NES for free.

Your argument is invalid.

, what is annoying right now though is that your not accepting that Im not going to prove my point for youNinjaMunkey01

When you first made the claim, I knew you weren't able to back it up. The rest of this convo has been for my lulz :)

PC gaming is way better than console gaming. The only problem is having to pay for a new graphic card every now and then.

read the OP, its pretty obvious we were always talking about current gen gaming.NinjaMunkey01

and consoles are still cheeper.

Weird post to quote for that point.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

a 2009 game? You do realise the PC has an Indie sector the size of Peter Molyneux's mouth? "PC gaming" is a very wide term, if i just wanted to play certain types of games then I could just buy a £250 computer and so that, no one says i have to play crysis. PC gaming is what price you put on it and thus you automatically lose this argument. ;)

Irick_cb

I got an NES for free.

Your argument is invalid.