PC gaming is much cheaper than console gaming (re-done)

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

And you still have no proof, and the average price for a TV doesn't matter.

sam_nintendo

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] what do u want me to do? call best buy to send a spread sheet? no so i used that number because it was the average price for a frekin t.v. u consolite

iliatay

And you still have no proof, and the average price for a TV doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

The TV does not factor into the cost of a console. What can you not understand about this?

789shadow

You do not go out and buy a TV just to play games. Therefore it is not a gaming expense.

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] fine lets say 500 bucks for a tv, is console still cheaper? no!

iliatay

The TV does not factor into the cost of a console. What can you not understand about this?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] so can you play a game on console without a tv? NO! everyone must have a tv and a pc so theyb r included in price.

iliatay

You do not go out and buy a TV just to play games. Therefore it is not a gaming expense.

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

And you still have no proof, and the average price for a TV doesn't matter.

00154

So because you don't watch TV on it, it counts as a gaming expense for everyone?

789shadow

you definitely get more bang for your buck with PC's as they serve many purposes other than just gaming and are generally more reliable, while consoles only have one purpose and on top of that have much higher upgrade costs over time (as in, having to buy a new console vs. buying a new part) in addition to always having more expensive software

that said, the real geniuses are the ones that wait until the last couple years of a console generation and buy a console super cheap and all the games they ever wanted for super cheap as well, i did that with the Xbox - bought one in 2006 for $70 and bought every game in the console's library that i wanted to buy for maybe $5-$10 max each and xbox live was still active too, that's a lot of value that you just can't get buying new consoles and new console games

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] so can you play a game on console without a tv? NO! everyone must have a tv and a pc so theyb r included in price.

iliatay

You do not go out and buy a TV just to play games. Therefore it is not a gaming expense.

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

And now you have descended to asking for age.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

You do not go out and buy a TV just to play games. Therefore it is not a gaming expense.

lundy86_4

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] if thats the case, then pc is not a gaming expense since it is used for things other than gaming most of the time. tell me, on what are you even viewing this thread?

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

iliatay

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

HaxxySax_7777

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

And how does that negate anything?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] if thats the case, then pc is not a gaming expense since it is used for things other than gaming most of the time. tell me, on what are you even viewing this thread?

ur just too funny :p how old r u?

iliatay

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

The point is, everything you are including is not necessarily needed. Your whole thread is biased against console gaming based on a faulty argument.

It's just ridiculous how far it's devolved from your original supposition.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Well if that's your rebuttal, don't include the PS3 as somebody can use it as simply a Blu-Ray player, rather than a gaming rig.

Your whole argument is flawed beyond belief.

HaxxySax_7777

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

So?

PS3 was a cheaper alternative to many Blu-Ray players at it's release. It wouldn't be surprising if quite a few PS3's sold at launch were bought as solely Blu-Ray players.

[QUOTE="HaxxySax_7777"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] r u talking to me? cuz i just told him that since he is saying that tv is not a gaming expense because it is used for other things, then pc's dont count as agaming expense according to his logic

789shadow

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

And how does that negate anything?

Well, the problem with PCs is, there are fewer and fewer games coming out for it. Where's inFamous, Army of Two, all the music Hero games, Demon's Souls, Saboteur, Bayonetta, Zeldas, Marios, Sonics, etc??? They're all on console. The PC is only becoming known for casual puzzlers like Peggle and stuff, Strategies and MMOs. And now that the 360 and PS3 are getting involved in downloadable games, they've got the small aforementioned games covered too. So all the PC is good for now is MMOs, Strategies and the occasional crumb publishers decide to have PC users munch on, like Mass Effect and the various shooters. So you have a cheap rig, but few games to play on. All the while, the ones that have the seemingly more expensive consoles are having a blast playing all the coolest stuff. Plus, it seems like developers don't optimize their games for PC like they used to in the past. I'm playing Dragon Age on PC and I don't really see that big a difference in graphics from Oblivion, yet my PC is struggling to keep up with the processing required, yet a 360, which has considerably less horsepower than my PC is running it no problem.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="HaxxySax_7777"]

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

iliatay

And how does that negate anything?

Hmmm? I wonder what that does to your needing a $1300 TV argument?

[QUOTE="00154"][QUOTE="iliatay"] fine lets say 500 bucks for a tv, is console still cheaper? no!

iliatay

[QUOTE="HaxxySax_7777"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] r u talking to me? cuz i just told him that since he is saying that tv is not a gaming expense because it is used for other things, then pc's dont count as agaming expense according to his logic

lundy86_4

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

So?

PS3 was a cheaper alternative to many Blu-Ray players at it's release. It wouldn't be surprising if quite a few PS3's sold at launch were bought as solely Blu-Ray players.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="00154"] Firstly to get a cheap pc you will have to know how to build one......secondly gaming pcs range from 800-3000+ depending what you put in it, look at Alienware thats custom built just for the customers but at a price. Now if you want the best of the best you ether know how to make one or you go to the companies for help look how much people waste money on Alienware.......thought so :)00154

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="HaxxySax_7777"]

It's also negated by the fact that more reliable blu-ray players are being sold for about 80$

iliatay

So?

PS3 was a cheaper alternative to many Blu-Ray players at it's release. It wouldn't be surprising if quite a few PS3's sold at launch were bought as solely Blu-Ray players.

Ok? And standalone players were around $1000 in Canada. There will always be early adopters of a format, even with limited movies, hence why they gain traction and later gain mass market share.

What do Blu-Ray roms for PC have to do with anything?

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

iliatay

Im against console gaming as much as the next person but you cant figure in a tax rate that only apply's where you live. here in Aurora Colorado our sales tax is just 9%

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So?

PS3 was a cheaper alternative to many Blu-Ray players at it's release. It wouldn't be surprising if quite a few PS3's sold at launch were bought as solely Blu-Ray players.

lundy86_4

Ok? And standalone players were around $1000 in Canada. There will always be early adopters of a format, even with limited movies, hence why they gain traction and later gain mass market share.

What do Blu-Ray roms for PC have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

rockzo

Im against console gaming as much as the next person but you cant figure in a tax rate that only apply's where you live. here in Aurora Colorado our sales tax is just 9%

Also when i owned a 360 i never payed more then 65$ish for a new game.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

rockzo

Im against console gaming as much as the next person but you cant figure in a tax rate that only apply's where you live. here in Aurora Colorado our sales tax is just 9%

[QUOTE="rockzo"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

rockzo

Im against console gaming as much as the next person but you cant figure in a tax rate that only apply's where you live. here in Aurora Colorado our sales tax is just 9%

Also when i owned a 360 i never payed more then 65$ish for a new game.

[QUOTE="rockzo"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

iliatay

Im against console gaming as much as the next person but you cant figure in a tax rate that only apply's where you live. here in Aurora Colorado our sales tax is just 9%

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"] at launch there wer only a handful of blu ray movies. and bluray players at launch were the same price as a bluray rom for pc

iliatay

Ok? And standalone players were around $1000 in Canada. There will always be early adopters of a format, even with limited movies, hence why they gain traction and later gain mass market share.

What do Blu-Ray roms for PC have to do with anything?

Bought PC's just for Blu-Ray? When at the beginning most store-bought PC's were still installed with DVD roms, due to the fact that a PC's sole function isn't to play Blu-Rays, whereas a PS3's is. Another fact is that the outcome of the format war was not yet won, so why would PC's (even a minority of them) be installed with Blu-Ray players?

In any case, this isn't helping to prove any of your initial points.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

The TV does not factor into the cost of a console. What can you not understand about this?

That's bull****. A TV is not solely used for gaming, therefore it cannot be factored into gaming costs.

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.

$1300 for a tv? Why? 99% of console games run at 720. You would only need to spend around $300-$400 on a tv. My PC is costing me a good amount but that is because I have absolutely nothing to work with besides a KB/M.

i have been using the same tv since the n64 came out (its a 23" sdtv) and i am perfectly fine. you don't NEED a 50 inch hdtv that does things in 3d, people just WANT a tv that does those things, same goes for monitor (to a certain extent, anything under 600x800 would make a new game really hard to look at or play unless you had a tiny monitor). that said i still like my 1000$ pc better because not only does it play games, but i can watch movies, listen to music, i have access to a wealth of knowledge through the internet and it lights up (not a really a plus, but its cool) while with my 360 all i use it for is to play games that lose their luster after the first short playthrough and even the multiplayer in most games is a grind

So, in conclusion. PC gaming is not, initially, cheaper than console gaming no matter how you spin it. Computer monitors can often be used with consoles. HDTVs can be used with PCs (but not well). As long as you own one or the other, you have a means to output your system to a screen.

Now there's the cost of the systems themselves. If you are using an old computer, or a single-core computer, your whole system may simply be outdated and you need to construct a new rig to truly enjoy the benefits of PC gaming. You may be using a netbook, laptop, or "slimline" desktop. Whatever the case, if you did not have PC gaming in mind when you purchased your computer, it probably need significant work to get it playing Crysis.

The cost of purchasing a top of the line computer with mid-level graphics card will set you back at least $800.

The cost of purchasing a console will set you back $200~$300.

That's really the bottom line; now there are many ways in which PC gaming is cheaper. $10 less for games and many, many deals on Steam and Direct2Drive, for example. Online gaming is free. But PC gaming is the cheapest option if, and only if you intended to upgrade your computer anyway. Now there are many good reasons for upgrading your computer, not only PC gaming ones. But that's a whole 'nother issue.

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.

o0squishy0o

An $800 PC with monitor and speaker included would play most games pretty well at 1080p or so. However it is not cheaper than a console outright, no.

An $800 budget for just the tower is likely to run every game on very high at above 1080p resolutions (1920x1200 etc) with max AA and AF (barring Crysis of course).

Outright, a console definately costs less than a PC. The only way it could possibly cost less is in the long run, with the savings you make on games (for new games on PC I pay $50 CDN and for consoles I pay $80 CDN).

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.

lundy86_4

An $800 PC with monitor and speaker included would play most games pretty well at 1080p or so. However it is not cheaper than a console outright, no.

An $800 budget for just the tower is likely to run every game on very high at above 1080p resolutions (1920x1200 etc) with max AA and AF (barring Crysis of course).

Outright, a console definately costs less than a PC. The only way it could possibly cost less is in the long run, with the savings you make on games (for new games on PC I pay $50 CDN and for consoles I pay $80 CDN).

if thats the case, then pc is not a gaming expense since it is used for things other than gaming most of the time. tell me, on what are you even viewing this thread?789shadow

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.

o0squishy0o

An $800 PC with monitor and speaker included would play most games pretty well at 1080p or so. However it is not cheaper than a console outright, no.

An $800 budget for just the tower is likely to run every game on very high at above 1080p resolutions (1920x1200 etc) with max AA and AF (barring Crysis of course).

Outright, a console definately costs less than a PC. The only way it could possibly cost less is in the long run, with the savings you make on games (for new games on PC I pay $50 CDN and for consoles I pay $80 CDN).

Including monitor and speakers it's not going to be all that great. I can't be bothered to look it up, but look at it being about $600 for the parts, due to the fact you can pick up cheap speakers for $30 and a monitor for $170 or so, maybe a little cheaper for the monitor.

$600 whilst not bad, isn't going to get you the best parts. AMD CPU's would be the best way to go, as they tend to be slightly cheaper for the intel counterpart.

Including an HDTV = Instant fail. Console gaming is cheaper. That's the way it is. Get over it already.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]if thats the case, then pc is not a gaming expense since it is used for things other than gaming most of the time. tell me, on what are you even viewing this thread?linkthewindow

Wasn't me that said that.:P

Who spends 1.4k on a TV? You can get a good one for like 350...tehsystemwarior

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

Cool, you just needed to wait 5 years into this gen for PC hardware to come down in price : /

Oh here we go again!

You're totally wrong! !!! ! you forgot so much stuff!

You have to buy every console first! Wii $200, Ps3 $300, and TWO 360s cause they always break $800. Ok we are at, what, $1300 for the consoles so far? And $800 for the PC still cause it's all one package.

Now dont forget we have to get the BIGGEST MOST EXPENSIVE TV EVER! So I'll Just say 4000. You HAVE to have a $4000 Dollar TV to play consoles. Wait, lets make it 20 inches bigger than what it is already. ok, $6000. So the score so far? Console $7300 and PC $800.

Now you have to buy a car to go get the console. And you need a high preformance sports car to get the consoles so lets just add 300,000. Score!!! Console, 307,300. PC $800. Oh crap I fogot gas and electricity to power the car and all the console stuff! I'm gonna close my eyes and smash my number pad for that one! $2232874328793428970342980. Now I'll be nice and not add anymore for the console and the PC WILL STILL BE WAY CHEAPER.

Final tally, Console *insufficient funds* and PC STILL only $800! Better get the PC guys!

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.

o0squishy0o

It all depends on the user. I need a hefty pc with the lastest video card and processor. I also need a nice sound card for optical output to my receiver. I play my pc on my hdtv so i need a good wireless mouse and keyboard set up, and again i dont go for cheap equipment.My pc sits right next to my consoles, all hooked up to the same hdtv. My investment for hardware on my pc is a lot more than all my consoles put together. Yeah, i can get a lot of cheap games for pc...but they are old, like Psyconaughts for $2.00. But modern games like COD:MW2, Left 4 Dead 2, Dirt 2, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2 are similar to console game prices..sometimes a little cheaper, but not enough to make up for the cost of the hardware. So, no, i dont think pc gaming is cheaper.

alright since the last thread conoslites werent understanding it fully, here it goes again: pc gaming is much cheaper;

pc: about $800 including moniter speakers and everything which will still blow consoles out of the water + games at release cost $50 in steam and as low as $2

console: $300 + $1300 for t.v.+ $80 for games at release ($69.99 + %13 tax)

(and i know what consolite r gonna say "buh buh evry onez haz a t.v.'z" well everyone has to have a computer. i mean how are u even viewing this thread right now?)

obviously u can see that pc is cheaper, heck even if u upgrade $100 bucks a year, it will still be cheaper

so please, in the future, please do not play that old "pc gaming costs $5345 and consoles cost $300!!!" card again because U R WRONG!

iliatay

tc you play consoles on monitors too

So can someone build this $800 pc now then.. like he said with the monitor keyboard mouse speakers the WHOLE thing. I would be really intrested in how a $800 gaming pc is cheaper than lets say me right now going out and buying an xbox which is about £180 (with HDD and games).

This whole PC is cheaper is complete balls. You can say oh but teh pc blows the console out of the water but the PC itself will struggle with the games. Could this $800 really play PC games at about 1080 or 1200 res with atleast 2x AA and 2xAF etc. Anything less is like well you may as well save a few quid and buy a console.

Reason why I play on the PC is because some games take more skill i.e. no auto aim + i like the better visuals because i pay more money (alot) more money.