PC gaming is WAY too fragmented nowadays. Especially with Google trying to enter

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.-Feath-

Yea I don't really see how he can say that when PC dominates in WRPG, RTS, MMO, TBS, Simulators(racing, aircraft, submarine etc), FPS, Adventure etc etc...

Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.-Feath-

You can download these free game tracking programs such as Xfire or Raptr which allow you to incorporate pretty much every chat servive out there and combine them into one program, which can be used in game (this is true for raptr anyways)

PC gamers like to talk about "PC gaming" like as if it is one large, unified platform where everything flows smoothly. This may have been slightly true in the 90's, but nowadays it is broken up into too many competing services. Steam, Direct2Drive, Impulse,GamersGate, OnLive, Gaikai, GFW Live, and now even GOOGLE is trying to enter trhe market by making their own "Google games" service? Yes, just what the PC game industry needs right now. More fragmentation. Oh, and don't forget other websites such as Facebook which have loads of games. Each of these platforms may have their own Friends lists, app store, and other various features which makes divided the PC market further. And lets not forget all the MMOs out there with their own friends lists. As we can see, the PC market is all over the place, its such a mess. Imagine have some friends that use Steam, another that uses OnLive, another that uses Google games, and so forth. Talk about a major headache.

Now, with consoles, things are much nicer. There are only three companies, andjust two of them take their online seriously. So when you want to play console games online, you only need to choose between PS3 and 360... and that's it it. Its so much nicer having th choose between two platforms rather than 20+ of them.

Your thoughts? :)

PandaBear86

It boils down to simple choice: what do you value more? freedom or convience?

[QUOTE="-Feath-"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.savagetwinkie

"I've been a computer gamer all my life and I like having a unified system, open is useless if theres 50 different things i have to install"

[QUOTE="-Feath-"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.Vandalvideo

PC gamers like to talk about "PC gaming" like as if it is one large, unified platform where everything flows smoothly. This may have been slightly true in the 90's, but nowadays it is broken up into too many competing services. Steam, Direct2Drive, Impulse,GamersGate, OnLive, Gaikai, GFW Live, and now even GOOGLE is trying to enter trhe market by making their own "Google games" service? Yes, just what the PC game industry needs right now. More fragmentation. Oh, and don't forget other websites such as Facebook which have loads of games. Each of these platforms may have their own Friends lists, app store, and other various features which makes divided the PC market further. And lets not forget all the MMOs out there with their own friends lists. As we can see, the PC market is all over the place, its such a mess. Imagine have some friends that use Steam, another that uses OnLive, another that uses Google games, and so forth. Talk about a major headache.

Now, with consoles, things are much nicer. There are only three companies, andjust two of them take their online seriously. So when you want to play console games online, you only need to choose between PS3 and 360... and that's it it. Its so much nicer having th choose between two platforms rather than 20+ of them.

Your thoughts? :)

PandaBear86

I know what you mean! I hate choices, they hurt my brain!! :?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Yah thats always the one thing that really pisses me off about PC gaming, there is no universal identy that ties everything up into 1 clean account. Its would be nicer with competition on consoles but so far I havn't seen anything horribly unreasonable. The only real good thing about PC is its strategy and mmo games now which I don't really play. Otherwise I like the consoles more they have a bit better experience overall.savagetwinkie

I'm actually a computer gaming that fell in love with my first console, 360. And the thing about matchmaking? well if you've ever done some research on TRULIVE what MS implemented its actually one of the most advanced matchmaking systems out there. It can accurately predict 50/50 games (if the dev feels like using that feature) after a person plays a few play sessions. M$ even maintains the underlying net code, which is why they can actually charge for online play. PSN is more open like pc. But PC has its perks, but after years of gaming on it, I think consoles just deliver a slightly better experience now.

The thing is, everybody that I know uses Steam and xfire, so there is no problem with friends lists, we have more buying options, so we get games much, much cheaper. "Fragmentation" is just competition.

PC is really at the moment where the creation comes from. We need as a gaming community to have the ability to give out software which can create who knew worlds or atleast give people with the creative and disciplinied (my weakness :P) to have the chance to create new things and give back in essence. For sure PC gaming is changing and from what I can see, may not be to the tastes of the more "hardcore" pc gamer. I predict the PC to become super casual with only very few titles giving the hardcore side what they want. With games such as LBP, halos forge etc its slowly testing the waters for what people can do on the consoles. I am in no way saying PC gaming is dying, just more the balance of titles and where the "gamings" resorces are going seems to be flowing more down the route of the console than ever before.

You can download these free game tracking programs such as Xfire or Raptr which allow you to incorporate pretty much every chat servive out there and combine them into one program, which can be used in game (this is true for raptr anyways)

lucfonzy

none of the exclusive games I've really been interested in, like stalker? played it and thought it was garbage, didn't have fun shooting mechanics, and there was too much traveling.

Numerous DD hosts isn't segmenting PC gaming. It's simply offering a variety of options, much like shopping at numerous brick and mortar stores (i.e. Futureshop, Best Buy, The Source, Sears, EBGames etc). They still offer mostly the same games (though some release exclusive to certain services), so how is that fragmenting?

none of the exclusive games I've really been interested in, like stalker? played it and thought it was garbage, didn't have fun shooting mechanics, and there was too much traveling.

PC gamers like to talk about "PC gaming" like as if it is one large, unified platform where everything flows smoothly. This may have been slightly true in the 90's, but nowadays it is broken up into too many competing services. Steam, Direct2Drive, Impulse,GamersGate, OnLive, Gaikai, GFW Live, and now even GOOGLE is trying to enter trhe market by making their own "Google games" service? Yes, just what the PC game industry needs right now. More fragmentation. Oh, and don't forget other websites such as Facebook which have loads of games. Each of these platforms may have their own Friends lists, app store, and other various features which makes divided the PC market further. And lets not forget all the MMOs out there with their own friends lists. As we can see, the PC market is all over the place, its such a mess. Imagine have some friends that use Steam, another that uses OnLive, another that uses Google games, and so forth. Talk about a major headache.

Now, with consoles, things are much nicer. There are only three companies, andjust two of them take their online seriously. So when you want to play console games online, you only need to choose between PS3 and 360... and that's it it. Its so much nicer having th choose between two platforms rather than 20+ of them.

Your thoughts? :)

PandaBear86

I like fragmentation because it breeds competition which gets me my games much cheaper. I don't pay for online. I don't pay $60-70 for a new game. I don't get raped by the price of accessories. I am not bricked by firmware updates. I love fragmentation of PC because it helps us gamers by giving us more choice, freedom and better deals.

IDK what you've been listening to on live but I've never noticed a big difference between ventrilo, the only thing i did pick up on were cheap headsets on PC where people sounded terrible and everyone had different volume settings so some people you could barely hear. Matchmaking is a ranked listing, but there are custom games and less popular games aren't non existent. And even if PC has live too, its just another addition to the tons of things you can use on PC which is why i don't like PC. I like my 1 account for everything on my 360. Works better imosavagetwinkie

Good for you. Some don't enjoy paying for something that's worse than what others get for free. Enjoy your P2P gaming at $50 a year.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] IDK what you've been listening to on live but I've never noticed a big difference between ventrilo, the only thing i did pick up on were cheap headsets on PC where people sounded terrible and everyone had different volume settings so some people you could barely hear. Matchmaking is a ranked listing, but there are custom games and less popular games aren't non existent. And even if PC has live too, its just another addition to the tons of things you can use on PC which is why i don't like PC. I like my 1 account for everything on my 360. Works better imoPublicNuisance

Good for you. Some don't enjoy paying for something that's worse than what others get for free. Enjoy your P2P gaming at $50 a year.

i am which is why i pay for it, and quite frankly its not worse, i think its better which is why i pay. But you can't go around telling people are wrong especially when they have a gripe with PC gaming. Yeah you love it, but that doesn't make it the best because it suits your preferences more, it best for you. Just because you don't see some things as important as other people see them you have no right to belittle them or what they value. People that get upset over others that don't like their system of choice and try to convince them otherwise are just fan boys with a stick up their arse.

savagetwinkie

I don't hate people for disliking PC gaming, I hate them because they usually hate it for stupid reasons. Can anyone really argue that P2P gaming is better than dedicated servers ? Really ? If you like 360 Live then good for you but don't try to tell me it is better. It is in fact the second worst online service ever next to only the god awful PS2 online.

How is PC gaming too fragmented? Everything you wrote made zero sense. How does steam D2D or other DD formats fragment the userbase? If i buy a game on Steam or DD or at a store im still part of the entire community. Its just a different method to purchasing the game.

If you mean OS adoption, its 95% for Windows and then there is the rest.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i am which is why i pay for it, and quite frankly its not worse, i think its better which is why i pay. But you can't go around telling people are wrong especially when they have a gripe with PC gaming. Yeah you love it, but that doesn't make it the best because it suits your preferences more, it best for you. Just because you don't see some things as important as other people see them you have no right to belittle them or what they value. People that get upset over others that don't like their system of choice and try to convince them otherwise are just fan boys with a stick up their arse.

PublicNuisance

I don't hate people for disliking PC gaming, I hate them because they usually hate it for stupid reasons. Can anyone really argue that P2P gaming is better than dedicated servers ? Really ? If you like 360 Live then good for you but don't try to tell me it is better. It is in fact the second worst online service ever next to only the god awful PS2 online.

I never said it was better, I just said I prefer it and it gives a better experience (obvious opinion...)

edit: and this is what i meant by belittling, "stupid reasons" are important to some people, maybe not you... but to me it matters

yeah they can P2P will be around longer then a dedicated server, with good netcode there isn't a huge difference either, i get 0 lag on my 360, and i don't like looking though lists to find a server and prefer matchmaking. And i like games with small groups of people not 64 players.. So for me, I favor p2p games. I never said it was better, I just said I prefer it and it gives a better experience (obvious opinion...)savagetwinkie

How can you say P2P will be around longer ? Can you go play PS2 games online ? Can you play Xbox games online ? I can go play Counter-Strike 1.6 which is 10 years old on dedicated servers. As for better experience I find P2P much laggier than my dedicated servers experience so I get zero enjoyment from it.

My thoughts? Choice >>>>>>>>>> Closed box where they can charge you for whatever they want.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] yeah they can P2P will be around longer then a dedicated server, with good netcode there isn't a huge difference either, i get 0 lag on my 360, and i don't like looking though lists to find a server and prefer matchmaking. And i like games with small groups of people not 64 players.. So for me, I favor p2p games. I never said it was better, I just said I prefer it and it gives a better experience (obvious opinion...)PublicNuisance

How can you say P2P will be around longer ? Can you go play PS2 games online ? Can you play Xbox games online ? I can go play Counter-Strike 1.6 which is 10 years old on dedicated servers. As for better experience I find P2P much laggier than my dedicated servers experience so I get zero enjoyment from it.

Someone has to pay for those dedicated servers btw, p2p you dont' have to worry about it

The only reason you can't play xbox games is because they had to can xbox support for live so they could implement new features, I imagine you won't have the same problem for the 360 since they built it to be upgradable.savagetwinkie

You can imagine all you want but console history is clear: they stop caring about their old system pretty fast. I doubt 360 will change that. PC doesn't have that problem. Want to play the newest game ? fine. Want to play a 10 year old game ? fine as well. Choice is a wonderful thing.

The only reason you can't play xbox games is because they had to can xbox support for live so they could implement new features, I imagine you won't have the same problem for the 360 since they built it to be upgradable.

Someone has to pay for those dedicated servers btw, p2p you dont' have to worry about it

savagetwinkie

yeah they can P2P will be around longer then a dedicated server,

savagetwinkie

And lmao..P2P is nowhere near the quality of dedicated server, it lags more, can only support petite player counts, allows no real customization, gives host player huge and unfair advantage and is a lot less stable than dedis. Not to mention P2P also striffles the growth of any kind of decent community around the game

I love how so many console fans want PC to die.

If PC dies, indie titles, mods, and the innovation that those communities have brought dies with it. Lets also not mention the companies on the PC who provide the tools for people to develop their own content without charging, games that aren't $60, free DLC, patches to make games better and add content...

Do you really think gaming would be where it is today without the mod and indie game scene? The biggest games that everybody love today can trace their roots to mods made from older games by modders. Game publishers don't take the risks the indie gamers and modders do. If the big developers had their way, they would push out nothing more than Halo's, Call of Duty clones, Maddens, Tony Hawk type games, Guitar Hero ripoffs because gamers would not know anything but those.

We look to the PC as a source of innovation and inspiration for future games. Developers see what modders and indie gamers have done, realize it will give them a great competitive advantage to put those gameplay mechanics into their games and keep evolving gaming.

You kill off PC gaming, you will stagnate the industry. See motion controls? See how much failure they have been for the core gamers? That is a direct result of game companies not opening the doors to modders or indie gamers. It's a perfect example of what happens when the community influence is absent from the development process.

Trust me, you don't want to game in world of a mute gaming community. I don't want myself, my kids, and all future generations to pay $100+ for Call of Duty 45 - Back to WWII.

Wasdie

10/10

It is much more efficident to have friend who are on other networks on the PC, then it is to have friends who own other consoles. I'm not big on spending 600 bucks to be able to play with my friends who love the PS3, as I did this generation. On PC, you simply make a download and you can easily talk and play games with your friends. There is also always IM networks such as AIM or Facebook that allow you to connect with other gamers just as easily.

If this is your argument against PC Gaming, it's weak.

It is much more efficident to have friend who are on other networks on the PC, then it is to have friends who own other consoles. I'm not big on spending 600 bucks to be able to play with my friends who love the PS3, as I did this generation. On PC, you simply make a download and you can easily talk and play games with your friends. There is also always IM networks such as AIM or Facebook that allow you to connect with other gamers just as easily.

If this is your argument against PC Gaming, it's weak.

rolo107

What argument against PC isn't weak ?

[QUOTE="rolo107"]

It is much more efficident to have friend who are on other networks on the PC, then it is to have friends who own other consoles. I'm not big on spending 600 bucks to be able to play with my friends who love the PS3, as I did this generation. On PC, you simply make a download and you can easily talk and play games with your friends. There is also always IM networks such as AIM or Facebook that allow you to connect with other gamers just as easily.

If this is your argument against PC Gaming, it's weak.

PublicNuisance

What argument against PC isn't weak ?

Read the OP, to find the answer to your question. Mystic-G

Have you been reading ? The OPs post hs been dismantled more than once.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Read the OP, to find the answer to your question. PublicNuisance

Have you been reading ? The OPs post hs been dismantled more than once.

I'm well aware... I was just responding to your question of what argument against PC gaming is weak. The OP's argument is weak.Mystic-G

I asked what argument wasn't weak. We just had a miscommunication is all.

Did TC just try to say that consoles are better because they have no choices and are limited to one option?

Choices>>>>>>>no Choices IMO

Did TC just try to say that consoles are better because they have no choices and are limited to one option?

Choices>>>>>>>no Choices IMO

RaZoR500

ah who needs choices. Sometimes you just want to plop down on the couch with a brewskie and chest bump your buddy while playing Madden.

PC gamers like to talk about "PC gaming" like as if it is one large, unified platform where everything flows smoothly. This may have been slightly true in the 90's, but nowadays it is broken up into too many competing services. Steam, Direct2Drive, Impulse,GamersGate, OnLive, Gaikai, GFW Live, and now even GOOGLE is trying to enter trhe market by making their own "Google games" service? Yes, just what the PC game industry needs right now. More fragmentation. Oh, and don't forget other websites such as Facebook which have loads of games. Each of these platforms may have their own Friends lists, app store, and other various features which makes divided the PC market further. And lets not forget all the MMOs out there with their own friends lists. As we can see, the PC market is all over the place, its such a mess. Imagine have some friends that use Steam, another that uses OnLive, another that uses Google games, and so forth. Talk about a major headache.

Now, with consoles, things are much nicer. There are only three companies, andjust two of them take their online seriously. So when you want to play console games online, you only need to choose between PS3 and 360... and that's it it. Its so much nicer having th choose between two platforms rather than 20+ of them.

Your thoughts? :)

PandaBear86