PC gaming ruining devs and franchises?

Like a lot of people here I'm getting sick of developers being sellouts. Developers are abandoning the console market to try to grab a piece of the PC's WoW crowd.

What developer wouldn't want a game were they get an extra $15 from all players every month? it's easy milkage and generates massive profits.

Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Bioware sold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO.

I really respected Bioware last gen but this has led me to conclude they are a bunch of sellouts.

There is also Bungie. One of the most critically acclaimed developer of the last and current gen is now working on a new game, and guess what? apparently, it's going to be an MMO. :( I'm okay with the PC crowd getting their MMOs but only as long as it doesn't affect the game experience we get on consoles. Last gen was great, the PC crowd got their MMOs and Bioware and Bungie weren't being complete sellouts.

What do you guys think? Are you guys ok with this computization?

Consoles are getting devs because they sell lots of games . PC is a big market but games are just to expensive to leave on one system .

Sarcasm? :|

Bioware has had a healthy amount of PC games already, including KOTOR(slbeit a later port). They see the potential in their storyline and want to make an mmo off of it, nothing more. If anything, PC devs are becoming more open to consoles with talks of Diablo 3 on consoles and BF3's console versions. Consoles are where a good portion the money is at.

Not every PC gamer is into MMO's either.

Like a lot of people here I'm getting sick of developers being sellouts. Developers are abandoning the console market to try to grab a piece of the PC's WoW crowd.

What developer wouldn't want a game were they get an extra $15 from all players every month? it's easy milkage and generates massive profits.

Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Bioware sold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO.

I really respected Bioware last gen but this has led me to conclude they are a bunch of sellouts.

There is also Bungie. One of the most critically acclaimed developer of the last and current gen is now working on a new game, and guess what? apparently, it's going to be an MMO. :( I'm okay with the PC crowd getting their MMOs but only as long as it doesn't affect the game experience we get on consoles. Last gen was great, the PC crowd got their MMOs and Bioware and Bungie weren't being complete sellouts.

What do you guys think? Are you guys ok with this computization?

alfredooo

LOL did you seriously just reverse your whole argument but still throw out some of the most offbase things to debate?

Let me go ahead and point this out to everyone Yesterday TC thread

So you went from PC gaming is dieing to now all publishers getting ruined by PC gaming?

I gotta call your bluff TC and go ahead and ask you to:

I would go more to say you see more developers moving to all platforms as opposed to anyone being "sellouts"

This is highly unlikely.. last year, PC gaming sales jumped 20%. That's 16.2 billion dollars made last year. while it pales in comparasion to the combined console sales, the PC market is still a credible area. A lot of the sales were actually Digital sales. I can easily say that I bought over 5 PC games on Steam last year, and games like Homefront is already within my sights.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Like a lot of people here I'm getting sick of developers being sellouts. Developers are abandoning the console market to try to grab a piece of the PC's WoW crowd.

What developer wouldn't want a game were they get an extra $15 from all players every month? it's easy milkage and generates massive profits.

Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Bioware sold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO.

I really respected Bioware last gen but this has led me to conclude they are a bunch of sellouts.

There is also Bungie. One of the most critically acclaimed developer of the last and current gen is now working on a new game, and guess what? apparently, it's going to be an MMO. :( I'm okay with the PC crowd getting their MMOs but only as long as it doesn't affect the game experience we get on consoles. Last gen was great, the PC crowd got their MMOs and Bioware and Bungie weren't being complete sellouts.

What do you guys think? Are you guys ok with this computization?

jedikevin2

LOL did you seriously just reverse your whole argument but still throw out some of the most offbase things to debate?

Let me go ahead and point this out to everyone Yesterday TC thread

So you went from PC gaming is dieing to now all publishers getting ruined by PC gaming?

I gotta call your bluff TC and go ahead and ask you to:

Yes its still dying, I also said on my thread it would take years, a process which hasn't even started. If you understood my other argument you wouldn't be posting this, PC gaming might even be experiencing massive growth as we speak but that doesn't mean my other thread is wrong because I'm talking about a process that hasn't even started. I think you just read the first sentence of the other topic.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Like a lot of people here I'm getting sick of developers being sellouts. Developers are abandoning the console market to try to grab a piece of the PC's WoW crowd.

What developer wouldn't want a game were they get an extra $15 from all players every month? it's easy milkage and generates massive profits.

Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Bioware sold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO.

I really respected Bioware last gen but this has led me to conclude they are a bunch of sellouts.

There is also Bungie. One of the most critically acclaimed developer of the last and current gen is now working on a new game, and guess what? apparently, it's going to be an MMO. :( I'm okay with the PC crowd getting their MMOs but only as long as it doesn't affect the game experience we get on consoles. Last gen was great, the PC crowd got their MMOs and Bioware and Bungie weren't being complete sellouts.

What do you guys think? Are you guys ok with this computization?

alfredooo

LOL did you seriously just reverse your whole argument but still throw out some of the most offbase things to debate?

Let me go ahead and point this out to everyone Yesterday TC thread

So you went from PC gaming is dieing to now all publishers getting ruined by PC gaming?

I gotta call your bluff TC and go ahead and ask you to:

Yes its still dying, I also said on my thread it would take years, a process which hasn't even started. If you understood my other argument you wouldn't be posting this, PC gaming might even be experiencing massive growth as we speak but that doesn't mean my other thread is wrong because I'm talking about a process that hasn't even started. I think you just read the first sentence of the other topic.

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dying and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Bioware sold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO.

I really respected Bioware last gen but this has led me to conclude they are a bunch of sellouts.

alfredooo

Bioware started on PC. Them turning DA2 into some weird thing between a hack n' slash and an RPG in order to appease the mainstream console fanboys was selling out. Returning back to their PC roots isn't. Although, if Neverwinter becomes a MMO....

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

LOL did you seriously just reverse your whole argument but still throw out some of the most offbase things to debate?

Let me go ahead and point this out to everyone Yesterday TC thread

So you went from PC gaming is dieing to now all publishers getting ruined by PC gaming?

I gotta call your bluff TC and go ahead and ask you to:

jedikevin2

Yes its still dying, I also said on my thread it would take years, a process which hasn't even started. If you understood my other argument you wouldn't be posting this, PC gaming might even be experiencing massive growth as we speak but that doesn't mean my other thread is wrong because I'm talking about a process that hasn't even started. I think you just read the first sentence of the other topic.

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

So you'd rather want Kotor 3 than SW tor? Do you realize that SW tor will have a lot more content that kotor 3 would ever had? It's the most costly game ever made and being a mmo means that it will be updated with content for years to come. Man I would love to play a Mass Effect mmo.

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

alfredooo

Or, they do the smart thing and actually make good ports without crappy UI, thus gaining both markets... win-win situation...

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Yes its still dying, I also said on my thread it would take years, a process which hasn't even started. If you understood my other argument you wouldn't be posting this, PC gaming might even be experiencing massive growth as we speak but that doesn't mean my other thread is wrong because I'm talking about a process that hasn't even started. I think you just read the first sentence of the other topic.

alfredooo

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

Your lumping in way to much opinion.

A. Your assuming games won't do well on PC

B. your assuming because they won't do well, developers will leave PC

C. Your assuming PC gaming will die

D. Your stating Console developers are trying to get Pc gamers

E. Circular logic as you approach it demonstrates that all gaming will die base on your logic.

even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this

alfredooo

Your lumping in way to much opinion.

A. Your assuming games won't do well on PC

B. your assuming because they won't do well, developers will leave PC

C. Your assuming PC gaming will die

D. Your stating Console developers are trying to get Pc gamers

E. Circular logic as you approach it demonstrates that all gaming will die base on your logic.

jedikevin2

You're :P

Also, D is probably true.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Your lumping in way to much opinion.

A. Your assuming games won't do well on PC

B. your assuming because they won't do well, developers will leave PC

C. Your assuming PC gaming will die

D. Your stating Console developers are trying to get Pc gamers

E. Circular logic as you approach it demonstrates that all gaming will die base on your logic.

rpgs_shall_rule

You're :P

Also, D is probably true.

Ha.. So true on the you're lol.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

jedikevin2

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

Your lumping in way to much opinion.

A. Your assuming games won't do well on PC

B. your assuming because they won't do well, developers will leave PC

C. Your assuming PC gaming will die

D. Your stating Console developers are trying to get Pc gamers

E. Circular logic as you approach it demonstrates that all gaming will die base on your logic.

Hey, if you don't believe my predictions then that's fine. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the facts avaiable.

A. Were you active on SW yesterday? Almost every topic had to do with whining about how certain games will suck because they were consolized. If the general opinion PC hermits have on these games is negative.... then yes, they won't do well.

B. This is sort of comun sense? why would devs keep developing PC games if they aren't selling well?

C. If the gaems are gone... for the reasons I listed above then yes... without games it dies. There is no PC gaming without games.

D. Yes, they want a piece of the WoW crowd. It makes them money.... I fail to see your point here.

E. How? If the games are bieng consolized why would they do badly on consoles? :| Consolized games will do well on consoles, badly on PC. PC is abadoned and so it dies.

Hey, if you don't believe my predictions then that's fine. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the facts avaiable.

A. Were you active on SW yesterday? Almost every topic had to do with whining about how certain games will suck because they were consolized. If the general opinion PC hermits have on these games is negative.... then yes, they won't do well.

B. This is sort of comun sense? why would devs keep developing PC games if they aren't selling well?

C. If the gaems are gone... for the reasons I listed above then yes... without games it dies. There is no PC gaming without games.

D. Yes, they want a piece of the WoW crowd. It makes them money.... I fail to see your point here.

E. How? If the games are bieng consolized why would they do badly on consoles? :| Consolized games will do well on consoles, badly on PC. PC is abadoned and so it dies.

alfredooo

Small piece of news: many small developers will cause PC gaming to expand just as surely as a single large one. Perhaps more, due to the fact that they need to produce good games to survive.

"Seriously, one of my favorite series last gen, KotOR, is a victim of this. Biowaresold out to the PC crowd and instead of KotOR 3 we are getting an MMO."

Are......are you serious? :?

Your lumping in way to much opinion.

A. Your assuming games won't do well on PC

B. your assuming because they won't do well, developers will leave PC

C. Your assuming PC gaming will die

D. Your stating Console developers are trying to get Pc gamers

E. Circular logic as you approach it demonstrates that all gaming will die base on your logic.

jedikevin2

You're assuming the TC isn't trolling PC fans, and has been doing so for quite some time.

I wished the TC actually tried. tagyhag

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Hey, if you don't believe my predictions then that's fine. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the facts avaiable.

A. Were you active on SW yesterday? Almost every topic had to do with whining about how certain games will suck because they were consolized. If the general opinion PC hermits have on these games is negative.... then yes, they won't do well.

B. This is sort of comun sense? why would devs keep developing PC games if they aren't selling well?

C. If the gaems are gone... for the reasons I listed above then yes... without games it dies. There is no PC gaming without games.

D. Yes, they want a piece of the WoW crowd. It makes them money.... I fail to see your point here.

E. How? If the games are bieng consolized why would they do badly on consoles? :| Consolized games will do well on consoles, badly on PC. PC is abadoned and so it dies.

rpgs_shall_rule

Small piece of news: many small developers will cause PC gaming to expand just as surely as a single large one. Perhaps more, due to the fact that they need to produce good games to survive.

That's a great point. You seem to be one of the few here actually arguing with facts. I disagree, tho. While small developers might be able to keep it alive, I believe they are more likely to switch to the casual market and try to make Facebook games than to keep making the hardcore games hermits love. Instead of games like the Witcher there would just be another Farmville, imo.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I wished the TC actually tried. zeta

how are the arguments null and void? elaborate please. if you have nothing to contribute please leave, good sir. thank you.

OP you and I are very similar people. I admire your attempt.

Consoles still fail for gaming though.

bioware going back to their pc development roots is selling out?

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Yes its still dying, I also said on my thread it would take years, a process which hasn't even started. If you understood my other argument you wouldn't be posting this, PC gaming might even be experiencing massive growth as we speak but that doesn't mean my other thread is wrong because I'm talking about a process that hasn't even started. I think you just read the first sentence of the other topic.

alfredooo

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

and you know this how? :|

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

CaseyWegner

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

and you know this how? :|

Hes using teh powar of teh crystal ball of teh trollz!1111

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

So you now accept that you think PC gaming is dieing and that console developers are sellouts and want more PC gamers. Regardless of your timeframe, your logic is not making any sense.

CaseyWegner

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

and you know this how? :|

based on all the whining that has taken place on SW. look at all the Crysis and DA2 threads created yesterday.

bioware going back to their pc development roots is selling out?

CaseyWegner

They are making an MMO. Not a great single player games with great storytelling and interesting character like they are known for. Are MMOs Biorware's roots? Have they done any MMO before? correct me if I'm wrong here, I honestly don't know.

Epic thread. "Computulization" :lol:

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

bioware going back to their pc development roots is selling out?

alfredooo

They are making an MMO. Not a great single player games with great storytelling and interesting character like they are known for. Are MMOs Biorware's roots? Have they done any MMO before? correct me if I'm wrong here, I honestly don't know.

you don't think that the old republic will be a quality product? you think it's just a hastily put-together generic mmo made to cash in on the mmo craze? that's what you are implying here. bioware started out as a pc game developer.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

alfredooo

and you know this how? :|

based on all the whining that has taken place on SW. look at all the Crysis and DA2 threads created yesterday.

Seriously dude! Do you have a crystal ball like this.So don't assume anything just yet.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Again, it seems you didn't even read my other topic. Go back, read it and then you will understand.

According to hermits games are being "consolized" and that is a terrible thing. Hermits don't like "consolized" games so they won't buy them. DA2, Crysis 2, maybe even The Witcher 2 won't do well on the PC because of this, so developers might choose to abandon the PC completely. Once this happens PC gaming begins to die, as the cycle repeats with other developers.

alfredooo

and you know this how? :|

based on all the whining that has taken place on SW. look at all the Crysis and DA2 threads created yesterday.

you are basing an industry prediction because of what you see a handful of people saying here? :lol:

Epic thread. "Computulization" :lol:

DreamCryotank

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

bioware going back to their pc development roots is selling out?

CaseyWegner

They are making an MMO. Not a great single player games with great storytelling and interesting character like they are known for. Are MMOs Biorware's roots? Have they done any MMO before? correct me if I'm wrong here, I honestly don't know.

you don't think that the old republic will be a quality product? you think it's just a hastily put-together generic mmo made to cash in on the mmo craze? that's what you are implying here. bioware started out as a pc game developer.

He does this

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27597537/r.i.p.-pc-gaming-

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27593267/the-sad-truth-about-pc-gaming

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27582581/the-pc-ruined-gaming-computization

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

bioware going back to their pc development roots is selling out?

CaseyWegner

They are making an MMO. Not a great single player games with great storytelling and interesting character like they are known for. Are MMOs Biorware's roots? Have they done any MMO before? correct me if I'm wrong here, I honestly don't know.

you don't think that the old republic will be a quality product? you think it's just a hastily put-together generic mmo made to cash in on the mmo craze? that's what you are implying here. bioware started out as a pc game developer.

It probably will be a quality product, knowing their track record. BUT they won't continue the KotOR story, it takes places like hundreds/thousands of years after the games so the whole Revan storyline won't get a conclusion. And still doesn't change the fact that they sold out their fanbase by completely computizing the game.

man, you are really out to get the pc. why not attack another system for once? :P

man, you are really out to get the pc. why not attack another system for once? :P

theuncharted34

So true.

you are basing an industry prediction because of what you see a handful of people saying here? :lol:

CaseyWegner

What would you base it on? :| there is plenty of PC gamers here and almost every single one of them seems to dislike the changes in those games. I'm not saying this is the absolute truth, I'm just drawing conclusions based on observations I have made on SW. I don't see what is so wrong about it.

I'm hoping more devs sell-out; subpar products should go the way of the dodo.

With the next console cycle at least 4 years away the consoles have certainly lived WAY beyond their lifespan.

Imagine using an ipod from 2003, it would be terrible' in a Spanish sense.

I played KOTOR on xbox1, and while it was passable at the time, the sellout version on PC is simply a millenia ahead. If selling out leads to KOTOR on PC vs the low rez mess of KOTOR on xbox more power to them.

Now, if we get a sellout from devs to PC, hopefully they un-simplify their console counterparts and make a true game for a true system.

Sometimes selling out is a good thing like KOTOR PC, sometimes it leads to Crysis 2.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

They are making an MMO. Not a great single player games with great storytelling and interesting character like they are known for. Are MMOs Biorware's roots? Have they done any MMO before? correct me if I'm wrong here, I honestly don't know.

alfredooo

you don't think that the old republic will be a quality product? you think it's just a hastily put-together generic mmo made to cash in on the mmo craze? that's what you are implying here. bioware started out as a pc game developer.

It probably will be a quality product, knowing their track record. BUT they won't continue the KotOR story, it takes places like hundreds/thousands of years after the games so the whole Revan storyline won't get a conclusion. And still doesn't change the fact that they sold out their fanbase by completely computizing the game.

how do you know that? you don't. you are assuming. besides, you still haven't explained how it's selling out.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

man, you are really out to get the pc. why not attack another system for once? :P

super600

So true.

Well you gotta remember the SW global rule on these matters

I'm hoping more devs sell-out; subpar products should go the way of the dodo.

With the next console cycle at least 4 years away the consoles have certainly lived WAY beyond their lifespan.

Imagine using an ipod from 2003, it would be terrible' in a Spanish sense.

I played KOTOR on xbox1, and while it was passable at the time, the sellout version on PC is simply a millenia ahead. If selling out leads to KOTOR on PC vs the low rez mess of KOTOR on xbox more power to them.

Now, if we get a sellout from devs to PC, hopefully they un-simplify their console counterparts and make a true game for a true system.

haberman13

It would be fine if they did a KotOR 3 on PC, but sadly that's not the case. They have completely computized the game and made friendly for the PC WoW crowd that will gladly pay them $15 a month to keep playing.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you are basing an industry prediction because of what you see a handful of people saying here? :lol:

alfredooo

What would you base it on? :| there is plenty of PC gamers here and almost every single one of them seems to dislike the changes in those games. I'm not saying this is the absolute truth, I'm just drawing conclusions based on observations I have made on SW. I don't see what is so wrong about it.