Pee salty seas are too nerdy... Mighty X1X all the way baby!! lol :P
you getting one bro
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@DragonfireXZ95:
I think the point being made is one would rather not think how the game is going to run/work. Buy a game console and be done with it.
So you would buy a bicycle over a car because it would save you the trouble of worrying about what fuel it needs to run? because thats exactly how lazy SolidSnake35's is sounding. It is absolutely NOT difficult to understand how PCs work, you look at the system requirements of the games you are interested in and get the components based on your needs, and if thats to hard for you then ask professionals at hardware stores to build you a good PC at a specific price range and they will surely do a good job, there are many MANY ways to circumvent the "complications" of PC gaming to the point where you would have to be a really REALLY lazy or very ignorant person to actually have problems with it. Anybody who is anti-PC don't actually find PC gaming complicated, they are just LOOKING for things to complain about because they are bias towards consoles.
@DragonfireXZ95:
I think the point being made is one would rather not think how the game is going to run/work. Buy a game console and be done with it.
So you would buy a bicycle over a car because it would save you the trouble of worrying about what fuel it needs to run? because thats exactly how lazy SolidSnake35's is sounding. It is absolutely NOT difficult to understand how PCs work, you look at the system requirements of the games you are interested in and get the components based on your needs, and if thats to hard for you then ask professionals at hardware stores to build you a good PC at a specific price range and they will surely do a good job, there are many MANY ways to circumvent the "complications" of PC gaming to the point where you would have to be a really REALLY lazy or very ignorant person to actually have problems with it. Anybody who is anti-PC don't actually find PC gaming complicated, they are just LOOKING for things to complain about because they are bias towards consoles.
Or better yet, just buy a pre-build PC's. That's what there made for, for lazy gamers who can't build a simple PC and we have youtubes for that, there are lots of videos giving anyone step by step.
Building PC is so easy, just read the manuals is all it takes.
@Dark_sageX:
That's not a fair analogy. Some people prefer the bike. Less weight, faster at times, dislike for traffic, etc. On the other hand cars are often a necessity for people with families, or work. You are comparing video games to a potential day to day living scenario.
@DragonfireXZ95:
I think the point being made is one would rather not think how the game is going to run/work. Buy a game console and be done with it.
So you would buy a bicycle over a car because it would save you the trouble of worrying about what fuel it needs to run? because thats exactly how lazy SolidSnake35's is sounding. It is absolutely NOT difficult to understand how PCs work, you look at the system requirements of the games you are interested in and get the components based on your needs, and if thats to hard for you then ask professionals at hardware stores to build you a good PC at a specific price range and they will surely do a good job, there are many MANY ways to circumvent the "complications" of PC gaming to the point where you would have to be a really REALLY lazy or very ignorant person to actually have problems with it. Anybody who is anti-PC don't actually find PC gaming complicated, they are just LOOKING for things to complain about because they are bias towards consoles.
Or better yet, just buy a pre-build PC's. That's what there made for, for lazy gamers who can't build a simple PC and we have youtubes for that, there are lots of videos giving anyone step by step.
Building PC is so easy, just read the manuals is all it takes.
Don't even need to read the manuals, just look at the pictures to see what plugs in where. Generally speaking (and what I teach new technicians) if it doesn't fit it doesn't go there.
@Gatygun:
I just really don't think they're comparable. As I said, my experience with PCs before buying my current PC was horrendous. It wasn't merely playing games at low settings, it was experiencing lag which just made playing the games practically unplayable. This is something you only experience on PC when you don't end up with a PC that can properly run games (which I dealt with for ten years). This isn't going to happen from the difference from PS4 to PS4 Pro. You might get difference between 30 to 60 FPS, higher resolution, but that's not at all what I'm concerned with.
And I think my point about PCs being for more than games is a much larger point. Gaming consoles are primarily for gaming. PCs have always been for so much more.
Well, yes, since I got my gaming PC in 2014 I had to replace the RAM within 6 months of buying the thing. And with games like The Sims 3, playing them without mods and outside programs such as FPS limiters is very dangerous for your PC. That scares me.
It's clear you got utterly no idea what you are talking about.
I already adressed your points in my early post not gonna repeat myself.
Also "playing them without mods and outside programs such as FPS limiters is very dangerous for your PC."
How is it dangerous? you honestly think your PC is going to fry at any point if your FPS isn't limited?
I think the issue with you is just being completely utterly clueless about anything when it comes to PC's.
And probably read forums and topics filled with self proclaimed PC experts that know even less then you about PC's.
Anyway.
I personally use PC over consoles because console are far to limited in what they do.
I have 4 screens connected currently ( thinking about expanding towards 5 ) as i watch anime or whatever content on one screen, watch live streams on another screen, read forums on another screen, and play my main game on my main screen.
I kinda want another 2 screens atm, to play a second game on while my main game is busy doing something that takes time. And talk with chat when i stream myself.
Consoles are simple to limited in what they do, they are currently so far away of what PC offers. It's not even comparable anymore.
Also gaming on PC is super cheap, you can litterly play forever without having to pay even a single peny these days. Most games these days are completely free.
I had hope that the xbox scorpio would feature a ryzen cpu, and would become a open platform. It would have pushed a lot of PC gamers towards it specially if they sell it for cheap. Sadly it's another turd of a console at a high end price.
Just playing a game on a single screen, with nothing else what consoles offer. it like watching a movie without doing anything else. I will just fall asleep of boredom.
@heirren: Not the best analogy no but the overall message still stands. I understand if something is too complicated or inconvenient you would opt for the more simpler alternative, but when something is very simple and can be easily accomplished with minimal effort (and consider the benefits far out weigh the alternative) you would have to start wondering if the microscopically insignificant "inconvenience" are valid points any more. With the example of the car and the bike (in the context of simple method of transportation, disregarding other factors), yes for a bike you won't need to worry about which fuel it uses, but using that as an argument to elevate the practically and functionality of a bike to on par or even above that of a car, it just becomes ridiculous, if you are worried about which fuel to use just read the manual or better yet simply ask the dealer what fuel it uses, its not rocket science.
Similarly on PCs, you will need to pick the parts you need for your gaming experience, which is something you won't need to do for consoles yes, but is going online looking at modern builds really THAT much of an inconvenience? or is simply walking to computer store to ask them to build you a gaming PC in a specific budget really that "hard"? sorry but that just makes you look lazy and stupid.
I would also like to add: how many times will you have to go through with this anyway? you only build a PC once and after that all you need to do is push a button every day to use it, is it really so much to do some simple research on parts once every 5 years? COME ON! This is NOT an argument you should be using against PC, if people use the amount of effort they spend on looking for excuses to not get a PC on actually building a PC you would have build something great since yesterday, and they would be very VERY happy.
On OG PS4, HDD is connected to USB port with cheap SATA converter. My information is based on jail break PS4 with semi-custom Linux X64 build with AMD Vulkan driver. Sony has cheapen OG PS4's interface controller.
What, internally? :-( Or are you talking about the controller used for external HDDs?
Internal HDD.
To quote DF
On top of that, it seems that despite the actual hardware using a SATA interface, the PS4 itself appears to communicate with the hard drive via USB - a curious state of affairs. The Blu-ray drive does use the SATA AHCI standard, but is currently untested in the Linux build.
@Dark_sageX:
You read too much into it. It's simple: some people just don't care. Some people might buy it as a media hub. Some people may buy it for kids, which makes gifting easier. They're just video games lol.
@heirren: The discussion here wasn't about not caring or kids. I was tackling the "its too complicated because you don't know if your game will run" argument thats commonly used against PCs. I was basically saying in a nutshell "No its not complicated, you are just incredibly lazy".
@Willy105: Could you explain to me what "intrusive DRM" means exactly? are you saying whenever you play a game you get logged out or interrupted in some way?
@Dark_sageX:
In context, you shouldn't have replied, then. Someone kept saying, "....bbbbbbbbbut, it's not complicated....." in response to me which was beside my point. Then you jump in to back his point. So why reply to me?
Pee salty seas are too nerdy... Mighty X1X all the way baby!! lol :P
you getting one bro
You better believe it my friend. Can't wait to take it out for a spin. :D
PC is more. A shitload more. I prefer more.
I appreciate more as much as the next fella, but I've never really understood this thought process in regards to library, because I've personally never owned every single game on a single platform. Consoles and handhelds, as well as the pc, have more games than any one (normal) person will ever be able to play.
It just always sounds like a loaded answer every time I read it.
Is it?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you can go out and simply own more games on PC than console, simply the ability to scratch any itch you may have.
For example. Im super specific with the type of RTS game i like to play and because of the library limitation of consoles, i'd never play RTS games if i was solely left to consoles. For the longest time this was true with FPSers, RPGs, etc.
@heirren: guess I mixed you up with someone else then.
@Enragedhydra: Why would you buy a switch for BOTW when you can emulate the WiiU version via CEMU and have an experience that will surpass that of even the Switch version? ;)
@GarGx1: Maybe not the best advice...you should definitely read the manual for CPU installation. So sketchy...*shivers*
I've been building PC's for about 27 years, these days they almost plug and play.
Yeah really.... 10-15 years ago could be pretty sketchy but they've made CPU and heatsink installation much easier and waay less scary. If it's your first time you can just watch a YouTube video and you're good to go.
PCs these days are pretty much like Legos.
@GarGx1: Maybe not the best advice...you should definitely read the manual for CPU installation. So sketchy...*shivers*
I've been building PC's for about 27 years, these days they almost plug and play.
Yeah really.... 10-15 years ago could be pretty sketchy but they've made CPU and heatsink installation much easier and waay less scary. If it's your first time you can just watch a YouTube video and you're good to go.
PCs these days are pretty much like Legos.
Yeah, installing coolers is way easier now-a-days without having to worry about brackets and crap. Also, the CPUs don't have hundreds of easily bent pins on them, so that helps as well.
Back in the RD RAM days, you also had to have RAM slot holders or else the motherboard wouldn't boot. Lol I learned that the hard way after installing new RAM and taking out the placeholders because I thought they were just for show.
One thing I miss from console gaming is how everything uses the same account and no intrusive DRM. Meanwhile on PC I need a Steam account, an Uplay account, an Origin account, a GoG account, or more depending on what you want to play.
News flash, man. Your console IS DRM, and is ALWAYS required. That's intrusive, whether you like it or not. Lol.
With GoG, for instance, you can install any game on any computer without installing or running any client. That automatically means that it's less intrusive than console DRM.
Also, what happens if we count online play in the mix? You are required to pay to play online on every single console now. Is that not intrusive? I don't know. Seems to me that being required to pay extra to access MP parts of games you already paid for is a hell of a lot more intrusive than just logging into Steam or Origin.
@GarGx1: Maybe not the best advice...you should definitely read the manual for CPU installation. So sketchy...*shivers*
I've been building PC's for about 27 years, these days they almost plug and play.
Yeah really.... 10-15 years ago could be pretty sketchy but they've made CPU and heatsink installation much easier and waay less scary. If it's your first time you can just watch a YouTube video and you're good to go.
PCs these days are pretty much like Legos.
My first self build was a 486DX33, back then having a motherboard with correct socket didn't necessarily mean that your CPU was supported.
You could install the CPU round the wrong way, which of course would immediately kill it, if it was powered up.
Setting jumpers (dip switches if you had an expensive board) was fun and again setting them wrongly could kill your CPU, if powered up. (DX 20's, 25's and 33's went into the same sockets)
Power cables could be fitted round the wrong way and immediately kill your mobo and CPU, if powered up.
Touching anything without an ESD wrist band (especially if you'd been near a carpet in the last 24 hours) would immediately kill your mobo, CPU and RAM.
Even something as simple as installing a drive with an IDE ribbon could go wrong, they didn't even have so much as a red edge to indicate pin 1. Fortunately though, that wouldn't immediately kill your CPU.
That was just some of the fun of building the things, it doesn't include DOS, boot disks and the joys of the Autoexec.bat
@PinchySkree:
Console cycles allow for more R&D.
Why would that even matter? The end product is still inferior.
Stays static for years holding everything back, uses old tech in a closed system and gates content as a crutch to keep it going.
It depends on a lot of stuff really. I was a PC-gamer for 20 years and only few months ago i completely changed to console. Why? Because i am no more "L33t h4dcore G4mer Pro!" like i was in my 15y, rofl. I dont have 10 hours per day to play + it really hurts to sit on a computer chair + wrist hurts because of all those years with mouse in hand. Now only few hours after work, sport and house routine. So you just sit in comfort watching 60 inch TV with gamepad in hands, it's really amazing. And you really feel like you're playing a game, not doing some "serious cybersport stuff" lol. No reason to upgrade PC every year, i even dont know what last GPU or CPU intel have now and i dont care about AMD/Intel holy wars.
Consoles. I love simplicity.
Plug and play. No settings. Some exclusives.
I love simple
I'm not sure how much simpler you get than go to the Steam Store, buy the game of your choice, download/install it, play the game.
You don't 'need' to do anything more than that.
PC gaming
Keyboard and mouse is serviceable (controller may be preferred depending on game genre), for most releases, objectively better in shooters, and the games where kb/m is unplayable are far and few between.
The only online multiplayer fee is your ISP.
Also, there aren't all too many reasons to get a console from what i've seen so far. Most of the games that are major console hits are probably on PC too, with some very special exceptions. Additionally, if you live in Canada, console games tend to cost around $80 for a standard edition, and I have been hearing rumors that this will increase to $100. For this reason, I'd like to think that people in Canada will likely become more dependent on Steam sales to get their games.
Only games that really appeal to me on the PS4 are Gundam Versus (I'm not willing to pay for online just for one game), Final Fantasy XV (I personally hate Square-Enix for perpetuating the "buy x so y can be on PC" crap) and Kingdom Hearts 3 (See FFXV)
Well let's look at the facts. The moment Breath of The Wild came out the pc community began trying to optimize an emulator to play a console game.
Not only that but this pc community trues to emulate every console ever made. On the other hand you don't see the console community asking for rereases of old pc titles and/or working at means to get anything pc related up and running on a console.
@howmakewood:
Disagree. While I don't know for certain, there's always that potential for stability issues. Regardless, you are only proving my point. PC gamers want the best of what consoles have to offer. It is because of Nintendo having their own console that they have such freedom for R&D for games.
@heirren: well consoles arent immune to stability issues either and ofc people want to see games on their preferred platform and you cant say that doesnt go both ways, see pubg topics on gaf f.e every third post is more or less when its coming to xbox/ps4.
I play mostly on PC because the games simply run best there, pretty simple. I played botw on switch, but when Im gonna hit the game next time its going to be on pc
And dont get me wrong I have nothing against people who prefer to game on consoles only
I used to support PC all the time until recently I’ve played PUBG. The experience is really bad that multiplayer experience with full of cheaters. Then go back to console to enjoy online experience free from the cheaters/hackers.
another thing about PC is I got frustrated when I was trying to optimize the fps. Ended up that I spent most of the time trying to do the optimizing setting. While console they just set it from developer and I can only choose to accept it And start playing without hesitation.
Some games I’ll play on PC after modified and play through single player campaign to finish it asap since I didn’t want to spend too much time on grinding than working. While some games are meant to be fun without modding on consoles.
I really love PC FPS/FPP games with the use of keyboard and controller. Really sad and disappointed by the flow of cheaters who spoilt the experience.
Furthermore, it’s cheaper for ps4 digital download when I share with A buddy, as well as my belove exclusive games are coming to console first. Dissidia NT FF, monster hunter world, free from cheaters/hackers.
I started out with consoles for home gaming. It was good. But, the flexibility of computers and simulations of aircraft (plus other vehicles) eventually shifted my preferences.
Nowadays, consoles are pretty powerful. If they at least, allow keyboard and mouse as a control scheme for certain game genres, I would heartily shift preferences again. But, it's slow to happen. So, the PC remains my primary.
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