PC gaming - What's wrong with it?

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#51 jedikevin2
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That is still VERY much lower the the concepts many people make in System wars on pc pricing. Wasn't the xbox arcade 14000 up to premium of 28000 with 2 games and ps3 26000+ on both perspective releases in your country?

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#52 EvanTheGamer
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Whats wrong?

The upgrading and the poor support.

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#53 UACmarine208
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Whats wrong?

The upgrading and the poor support.

Good one Mr. Troll.
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#54 LovePotionNo9
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The way I see it, you're going to have a PC anyway. You might as well give it a nice graphics card, play some games on it, and call it a day.
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#55 EvanTheGamer
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Whats wrong?

The upgrading and the poor support.

UACmarine208

Good one Mr. Troll.

Go ahead and prove me wrong ^_^

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#56 mo0ksi
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There's something wrong with it? I mean I know it's expensive, but it comes with the territory.
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#57 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="UACmarine208"][QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Whats wrong?

The upgrading and the poor support.

EvanTheGamer

Good one Mr. Troll.

Go ahead and prove me wrong ^_^

Who said upgrading was bad... are you still playing on your NES?

Poor support, what are we even talking about?

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#58 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Absolutely nothing is wrong with PC gaming. There's nothing wrong with console gaming. The only kind of gaming that is bad is no gaming at all.

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#59 lowe0
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Nothing's wrong with PC gaming. Now, if you'd like to know what's wrong with PC gamers, here's a great example:

People will always bash what they can't/don't have or what they don't understand.

RaZoR500

Yep, it's absolutely due to financial or intellectual deficiencies. Nope, it couldn't be that people just have a different opinion from you. :roll: I still play some PC games, but I'm very careful to refer to myself as a consolite because I don't want to be even remotely associated with people like this guy.

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#60 EvanTheGamer
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

[QUOTE="UACmarine208"] Good one Mr. Troll.Bebi_vegeta

Go ahead and prove me wrong ^_^

Who said upgrading was bad... are you still playing on your NES?

Poor support, what are we even talking about?

Upgrading is fun, but not when you have to do it for every game to play smoothly.

Its also no fun being left in the dust when it comes to getting worth while games, worse is getting scraps in the form of badly coded ports.

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#61 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Go ahead and prove me wrong ^_^

EvanTheGamer

Who said upgrading was bad... are you still playing on your NES?

Poor support, what are we even talking about?

Upgrading is fun, but not when you have to do it for every game to play smoothly.

Its also no fun being left in the dust when it comes to getting worth while games, worse is getting scraps in the form of badly coded ports.

Well you don't... you can lower settings if your PC can't handle it.

There's plenty of worthwhile games on PC, comon! I played plenty of "ports" and there just as great if not better.

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#62 NerubianWeaver
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That is still VERY much lower the the concepts many people make in System wars on pc pricing. Wasn't the xbox arcade 14000 up to premium of 28000 with 2 games and ps3 26000+ on both perspective releases in your country?

jedikevin2
Do you mean their release launch price? Anyway PC is still expensive.
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#63 KungfuKitten
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

Nothing, this is systems wars, people come here to spout BS because there are board. All systems are worth owning.

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Here is the second most sensible poster in this thread. ;)

Thank You ^_^ This generations consoles are all about things that pc gamers have enjoyed for some time. FPS, online (services), HD, and having sku's to chose from are all things that i considered pc attributes, and that are, imo, still superior on pc's. Look at any hardware. You want topnotch headphones, You're going to pay a lot for it. High quality mouse? Costs 3 times as much as a regular one. It's normal to pay a lot more for high end gaming, so the price was never really an argument. But now they see that many PC things are happening on their consoles. So PC is for the first time in a relatively weakened state, while in reality, consoles are just becoming more like pc's.
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#64 jedikevin2
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@neburian_weaver Yes I mean on release of the perspective consoles.

Pc's can be expensive but only if you want it to be but it can also be extremely cheap. It all depends what you want.

In system wars, when people start to throw out "expensive", many concur with statements that its 1000's and 1000's of dollars. Infact, like 3 days ago it happen where someone came in spitting on a thread that you need a 6 grand computer and would have to upgrade every 6 months. Its these types of BAD stereotypes and ignorance that just seems to grow like a disease on system wars. You also have the opposite of the spectrum where people who have expensive rigs spout bad statements to those with mid range 500-700 dollar rigs and that there is no way to enjoy gaming on a mid range computer.

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#65 NerubianWeaver
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@neburian_weaver Yes I mean on release of the perspective consoles.

Pc's can be expensive if you want it to be but it can also be extremely cheap. It all depends what you want.

jedikevin2
The launch price was 28,500 pesos ($568). Can you give me a PC that is cheaper than that price and then built on the same date that it was released, also that can play games like Just Cause 2, Metro, Singularity; I don't think so ;)
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#66 kipohippo021
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People are too lazy to learn how their computer works.Vexx88
this, im not going to learn how a computer works just to play games. Consoles are so much easier. plus the keyboard sucks.

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#67 jedikevin2
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The launch price was 28,500 pesos ($568). Can you give me a PC that is cheaper than that price and then built on the same date that it was released, also that can play games like Just Cause 2, Metro, Singularity; I don't think so ;)NerubianWeaver

I can't but all I can do is tell you my personal experience on my gaming rig which started in 2007. It started at 450 dollars US ( or 20481 php) for me and slowly moved up to about 600 dollars in last 3 years of upgrading (27309 php). I think I have already mentioned to you that though on price though. I have metro 2033, just cause 2 but don't have singularity and they run just fine on my PC.

Please no "I don't think so" or motocons. No need for any of that. I've mentioned this stuff to you several times on system wars. Infact, I mentioned the evolution of my computer earlier in this thread.

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#68 washd123
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It's not cheaper or more convienent imo. i5750at4Ghz

ok? your opinion is wrong then.

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#69 XEviscerateX
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When there are no technical issues with getting your PC to work it is by far the superior platform. But, hey, if you don't have a gaming PC of course you are going to disagree with that..it's human nature to be selfish.
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#70 RaZoR500
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Nothing's wrong with PC gaming. Now, if you'd like to know what's wrong with PC gamers, here's a great example: [QUOTE="RaZoR500"]

People will always bash what they can't/don't have or what they don't understand.

lowe0

Yep, it's absolutely due to financial or intellectual deficiencies. Nope, it couldn't be that people just have a different opinion from you. :roll: I still play some PC games, but I'm very careful to refer to myself as a consolite because I don't want to be even remotely associated with people like this guy.

Giving out opinions =/= bashing. Usually people bash so they can justify their purchase as to why they bought this system and not the other so as far as I know having an opinion was never a reason for bashing. I don't have a PS3 because imo its exclusive do not justify a purchase for me doesn't mean I can go bash the PS3 or any other console for that matter. Well that my idea of bashing. Care to share yours?

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#71 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]I don't have a problem with people who do PC gaming, but one big reason I don't is because of all the ridiculous DRM stuff. kozzy1234

Out of the 200 games I have near my computer right now... only one of them had RIDICOLOUS DRM as you say.. Settlers 7. And guess what? That one game with bad DRM has not been a problem to me at all. When I want to play the game I can.

People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.
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#72 heretrix
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So PC is for the first time in a relatively weakened state, while in reality, consoles are just becoming more like pc's.KungfuKitten
There is nothing weak about the state of PCs these days. I even go as far as to say it's stronger than it's ever been due to services like Steam and it's incredible sales.

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#73 br0kenrabbit
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[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]It's Expensive. Consoles are much more convenient than PCmirgamer
Depends on where you live. US, sure. Other parts of the world, console gaming is a lot more expensive than a budget pc gaming rig.

Yeah, in Brazil a PS3 costs like $1,000 US. That's why they have that PS2-level Zeebo console down there, and that thing still costs $200+ and doesn't even have a disk drive, it's all Wi-Fi or 3G downloads.

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#74 deactivated-59d151f079814
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It's Expensive. Consoles are much more convenient than PCNerubianWeaver

No its not expensive compared to consoles.. And the second part is a matter of convience.. I can claim for instance computer gaming is far more convient because you already use the device for just about everything else.

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#75 washd123
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No its not expensive compared to consoles.. And the second part is a matter of convience.. I can claim for instance computer gaming is far more convient because you already use the device for just about everything else.

sSubZerOo

not to mention never having to need disks or to change disks

nor having to worry about controls

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#76 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No its not expensive compared to consoles.. And the second part is a matter of convience.. I can claim for instance computer gaming is far more convient because you already use the device for just about everything else.

washd123

not to mention never having to need disks or to change disks

nor having to worry about controls

Yep, this too. I love not having a million discs I have to get out every time I want to play a different game.
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#77 ninjabeaver1
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Most console gamers probably have a vengeance on PC gaming because they were ripped off in buying weak prebuilt computers from 'tech experts'.
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#78 ninjabeaver1
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="washd123"]

nothing

its way more convienent than a console

its cheaper than owning a console

its more valuable than console gaming

theres not a single thing wrong with it.

Filthybastrd

It's not cheaper or more convienent imo.

If you're going for slightly above console quality, then it sure is.

If we're talking a really high end rig, then sure. It's going to take a while before the price equals out.

While it's more expensive in price, PC's are still cheaper in value for gaming.

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#79 coreybg
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It's not cheaper or more convienent imo. washd123

ok? your opinion is wrong then.

This is why people bash systems. Because of ignorant fanboys like you.

Sure, you like your system and prefer it over others, but how can you call someone's opinion wrong just because you don't agree with it? That's why it's called an opinion (put wiki in there just in case).

Just because you think so doesn't make you right.

Oh and, don't call me a 360 faboy, or a PS3 fanboy or whatever.

I don't own any consoles and I've always been gaming on PC.

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#80 SakusEnvoy
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The only major problem with PC gaming is the difficulty developers and publishers have protecting their intellectual property on the platform; which, in turn, forces legitimate customers to often deal with restrictive DRM.

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#81 washd123
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This is why people bash systems. Because of ignorant fanboys like you.

Sure, you like your system and prefer it over others, but how can you call someone's opinion wrong just because you don't agree with it? That's why it's called an opinion (put wiki in there just in case).

Just because you think so doesn't make you right.

Oh and, don't call me a 360 faboy, or a PS3 fanboy or whatever.

I don't own any consoles and I've always been gaming on PC.

coreybg

good for you. an opinion can still be wrong.

its my opinion the nazis never killed a single jew.

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#82 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]I don't have a problem with people who do PC gaming, but one big reason I don't is because of all the ridiculous DRM stuff. DragonfireXZ95

Out of the 200 games I have near my computer right now... only one of them had RIDICOLOUS DRM as you say.. Settlers 7. And guess what? That one game with bad DRM has not been a problem to me at all. When I want to play the game I can.

People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

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#83 Raymundo_Manuel
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Remain in the dark and you shall never see.


Tends to be the motto of a lot of consolites around here. People just remain completely uninterested in learning what can come from owning a PC.


I suggest you pay no attention to it. Better to not feed the trolls at all, and go support better threads/posts out there.

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#84 Metalscarz
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[QUOTE="coreybg"]

This is why people bash systems. Because of ignorant fanboys like you.

Sure, you like your system and prefer it over others, but how can you call someone's opinion wrong just because you don't agree with it? That's why it's called an opinion (put wiki in there just in case).

Just because you think so doesn't make you right.

Oh and, don't call me a 360 faboy, or a PS3 fanboy or whatever.

I don't own any consoles and I've always been gaming on PC.

washd123

good for you. an opinion can still be wrong.

its my opinion the nazis never killed a single jew.

Thats not an opinion. Thats an incorrect fact or statement. An opinion cannot be wrong by definiton. Only poor.

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#85 Metalscarz
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Out of the 200 games I have near my computer right now... only one of them had RIDICOLOUS DRM as you say.. Settlers 7. And guess what? That one game with bad DRM has not been a problem to me at all. When I want to play the game I can.

aroxx_ab

People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

If i'm smart enough to build my PC, I'm smart enough to get around a limited install.

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#87 SakusEnvoy
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Out of the 200 games I have near my computer right now... only one of them had RIDICOLOUS DRM as you say.. Settlers 7. And guess what? That one game with bad DRM has not been a problem to me at all. When I want to play the game I can.

aroxx_ab

People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

It's not so much the limited install issue that bugs me, personally, because most companies do provide de-authorization tools... but what happens when the online servers for authentication shut down? Will the game be officially patched so as to not require authentication, or will the game simply become forgotten and unplayable -- especially if the game wasn't particular popular? One of the greatest benefits of PC gaming its expansive gaming library dating back to the '80s, but will today's games still be playable without "cracking" or "hacking" in the future (which is a criminal act according to the DMCA)?

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#88 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Out of the 200 games I have near my computer right now... only one of them had RIDICOLOUS DRM as you say.. Settlers 7. And guess what? That one game with bad DRM has not been a problem to me at all. When I want to play the game I can.

aroxx_ab

People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

Yes, because I need to install games so many times. :| Tell you what, I'll let you in on a little secret. I take care of my PC, it doesn't crash or get virus's. I never have to reformat, especially with Windows 7, because it's just so damn stable. Therefore, I never have to reinstall games, thus I don't have to worry about limited installs. Only people who don't know what they are doing with their computers need to worry about stuff like that.
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#89 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It's not cheaper or more convienent imo. washd123

ok? your opinion is wrong then.

Find me a $150 gaming PC. Then find me a gaming PC that doesn't require driver updates, game patches, game installs, controller configurations, system setting tweaks, or general computer know how.
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#91 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.SakusEnvoy

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

It's not so much the limited install issue that bugs me, personally, because most companies do provide de-authorization tools... but what happens when the online servers for authentication shut down? Will the game be officially patched so as to not require authentication, or will the game simply become forgotten and unplayable -- especially if the game wasn't particular popular? One of the greatest benefits of PC gaming its expansive gaming library dating back to the '80s, but will today's games still be playable without "cracking" or "hacking" in the future?

Does it really matter? If a game becomes unplayable and cracking the game would be a legitimate option that allows it to become playable, then I don't see what the problem is.
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#92 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="UACmarine208"]

I'm just wondering, what's wrong with PC gaming? Why do you people bash and make fun of it?
It's just as much gaming as consoles. We have a fair share of good games, and a good community.

Before you call me a hermit, I play onthe Xbox 360, PS3, and a PC.

Just please, no bashing or fanboyism. I'm just asking questions.

AncientDozer

What a bizarre question. I don't see nearly as many threads bashing PC gaming as I see of PC gamers walking in and talking down to everyone like they're wearing their underwear on their head.

PC gaming is fine. I assure you. Nothing anyone says here will change that. Nor can PC gamers in denial change that many games will be multiplat or that people like consoles. And seriously. "I"m not a fanboy cause of x"? Really? That's just more reason to believe you are. Never say that. Never. Anyway, it's system wars, what do you expect?

You're kidding right? There are people who devote their lives it seems to put down the PC on this forum.

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#93 Raymundo_Manuel
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[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Remain in the dark and you shall never see.


Tends to be the motto of a lot of consolites around here. People just remain completely uninterested in learning what can come from owning a PC.


I suggest you pay no attention to it. Better to not feed the trolls at all, and go support better threads/posts out there.

AncientDozer

Uh. I own a PC. I own an amazing machine, in fact.

Still like console gaming more.

I know all about its potential and what computers can do and what their made for but I'm also aware of what consoles do and why they are made and what they represent.

And you are "a lot of consolities around here"

Just because you like console gaming does not mean there aren't lots of people in system wars who bash PC gaming (typically without even experiencing one).Which is what the TC is talking about.

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#94 Arach666
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[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It's not cheaper or more convienent imo. i5750at4Ghz

ok? your opinion is wrong then.

Find me a $150 gaming PC. Then find me a gaming PC that doesn't require driver updates, game patches, game installs, controller configurations, system setting tweaks, or general computer know how.

Consoles have game instalations too,and I don´t know what do you mean with controller configurations,the wireless 360 controller for windows is plug and play. Consoles have software updates as well.

And wich console costs $150?

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#95 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] People make too big of a deal out of DRM. I've never had a problem with it at all.DragonfireXZ95

Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

Yes, because I need to install games so many times. :| Tell you what, I'll let you in on a little secret. I take care of my PC, it doesn't crash or get virus's. I never have to reformat, especially with Windows 7, because it's just so damn stable. Therefore, I never have to reinstall games, thus I don't have to worry about limited installs. Only people who don't know what they are doing with their computers need to worry about stuff like that.

So you dont re-install windows when you do hardware upgrade, your harddrive wont live forever, you will stick to win7 forever?

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#96 SakusEnvoy
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Have fun play those games with limited installs in future

DragonfireXZ95

It's not so much the limited install issue that bugs me, personally, because most companies do provide de-authorization tools... but what happens when the online servers for authentication shut down? Will the game be officially patched so as to not require authentication, or will the game simply become forgotten and unplayable -- especially if the game wasn't particular popular? One of the greatest benefits of PC gaming its expansive gaming library dating back to the '80s, but will today's games still be playable without "cracking" or "hacking" in the future?

Does it really matter? If a game becomes unplayable and cracking the game would be a legitimate option that allows it to become playable, then I don't see what the problem is.

Unfortunately it's not... it's a criminal act under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (link). Do most people probably care? I doubt it; but those of us who legitimately bought everything we own could suddenly become criminals for installing an old game whose authentication servers shut down.

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#99 KBFloYd
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for me its monitor size... most people dont have a 40" screen for their PC...

however i boght a 37" yesterday...and im loving retro gaming on my PC.