PC Gaming - Why Consoles Are Superior. (56k Warning)

you know, pretty much all "inovations" that console gamers play came from the PC beforehand.

cobrax25

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]The best games of all time were on consoles110million

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Carpel tunel, what the?

lowe0

LOL, are you serious? Wow, that's crazy.

But, must be the same feeling when I get blisters on my thumbs ... LOL, just not as bad as your arm.

[QUOTE="gandaf007"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Is that as poweerful as a 360 because those ATI cards cost like 300$+ and ATI is supposed to be cheaper...

Banjo_Kongfooie

Does it matter if it is or not? I'm not up to date with the 360's GPU, but it can run all modern games on medium-high settings.

What, 75$ = 3 games for X360... you buy them second hand?

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

yeah fail math some more.

Banjo_Kongfooie

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="gandaf007"]

Does it matter if it is or not? I'm not up to date with the 360's GPU, but it can run all modern games on medium-high settings.

Bebi_vegeta

What, 75$ = 3 games for X360... you buy them second hand?

Nope from gamespot but gl buying the pc games not on steam used with CD keys and all

PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consolesGunSmith1_basic

Geez this topic is filled with PC fanboys. I play on both PC and consoles and whichever is better is up for opinion. The fact is that PC is no doubt stronger than consoles, but also most console gamers don't even worry about being superior, they just enjoy what they have with little worry. The ignorance of PC gamers is facepalm worthy, it's like you guys have never played console games all your lives and only stick to PC.

Not to say that console fanboys are ignorant too, but just because you game on PC does not automatically make you superior, cause that's the vibe everytime you fanboys give off when you rush to topics like this to defend the PC.

XxjackassxX

I don't get it... there's fanboy on both side, yet your only dissing the PC gamers... even though the TC clearly has old and some what bad arguments.

PC gaming primarily with a little bit of console gaming in between.

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

GunSmith1_basic

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

The best games created are all computer games. Console games have always lacked "soul".

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Well my PC has a graphics by ATI sticker so idk if it is Nvidia compatable, plus 75$ is like 3 games for 360 just to get my PC to run quality = to the 360's?

Banjo_Kongfooie

What, 75$ = 3 games for X360... you buy them second hand?

Nope from gamespot but gl buying the pc games not on steam used with CD keys and all

So you saying your buying new games @ 25$?

WTH, I can't include Steam? ok... You think Steam is the only place when you can buy games online?

The best games created are all computer games. Console games have always lacked "soul".

fireballonfire

To be fair Deus Ex is no where near its hyped to be I downloaded like a month ago and it might have been good back in the day but I just can't play itBanjo_Kongfooie

soul Fable 2Banjo_Kongfooie

Also MGS2 on XBOX sucks.

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

The best games created are all computer games. Console games have always lacked "soul".

Banjo_Kongfooie

Wow, we're arguing about soul in games... seriously, give me the definition and then we'll talk.

The problem with consoles and what they represent, a controlled market is that it limits the creativity.

The problem with consoles and what they represent, a controlled market is that it limits the creativity.

fireballonfire

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]To be fair Deus Ex is no where near its hyped to be I downloaded like a month ago and it might have been good back in the day but I just can't play it110million

The tutorial was cool then I did the first mission which sucked imo then was at this dock and he wanted to send me into a place... I mean it has horrible shooting mechanics imo and it is FPS atleast combat wise.

I did however enjoy multiplayer a lil bit but it was a big waste of 9$ to me.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] soul Fable 2110million

Also MGS2 on XBOX sucks.

Fable 1 has soul and Fable 2 had soul as well and even thought Fable was better 2 atleast was a good game that was tryed some cool new things. Alot of work was put into those games and Valve releases the same game twice in like a short time Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 and they get critical acclaim?

it is FPS atleast combat wiseBanjo_Kongfooie

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] soul Fable 2Banjo_Kongfooie

Also MGS2 on XBOX sucks.

Fable 1 has soul and Fable 2 had soul as well and even thought Fable was better 2 atleast was a good game that was tryed some cool new things. Alot of work was put into those games and Valve releases the same game twice in like a short time Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 and they get critical acclaim?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] it is FPS atleast combat wise110million

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="110million"] :lol: I get it, you've been joking around this whole time! I feel like such a fool.

Also MGS2 on XBOX sucks.

110million

Fable 1 has soul and Fable 2 had soul as well and even thought Fable was better 2 atleast was a good game that was tryed some cool new things. Alot of work was put into those games and Valve releases the same game twice in like a short time Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 and they get critical acclaim?

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

The best games created are all computer games. Console games have always lacked "soul".

Banjo_Kongfooie

Anyone who consider MGS to be something with "soul" has not played games for that long. That person is also probably very young, nothing bad with being young just so you know.

And I personally don't like VALVEs games. But there are many that do and I can understand why.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

GunSmith1_basic

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

Oh God... Where do you get this?

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] it is FPS atleast combat wiseBanjo_Kongfooie

So you didn't like it because you tried to play it like Halo or CoD. Good job not understanding how to play the game.

Are. Fable has soul. Jesus christ! I think a blood vessel in my brain just popped.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

The best games created are all computer games. Console games have always lacked "soul".

fireballonfire

Anyone who consider MGS to be something with "soul" has not played games for that long. That person is also probably very young, nothing bad with being young just so you know.

And I personally don't like VALVEs games. But there are many that do and I can understand why.

Care to elaborate on why you hate MGS2 and feel it does not have "soul". That game is way better presentation wise then any Valve game.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] it is FPS atleast combat wiseBanjo_Kongfooie

It was never designed to be a FPS, it's more of an Action RPG that focuses on stealth. You miss your shots because you haven't gained enough experience, the game is based on character skill not player skill like a good RPG should be.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

Banjo_Kongfooie

Majora's Mask is a great game, and there's also great games on PC... just like on consoles... I don't see how people can't accept both.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

Fable 1 has soul and Fable 2 had soul as well and even thought Fable was better 2 atleast was a good game that was tryed some cool new things. Alot of work was put into those games and Valve releases the same game twice in like a short time Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 and they get critical acclaim?

Banjo_Kongfooie

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or indie experiment they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

Oh God... Where do you get this?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="110million"] Nope, it isn;t. hypoty

It was never designed to be a FPS, it's more of an Action RPG that focuses on stealth. You miss your shots because you haven't gained enough experience, the game is based on character skill not player skill like a good RPG should be.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="110million"] Valve takes 4 to 5 years for major releases, sometimes much longer, Valve does not get critical acclaim because of games like L4D, it does get acclaim for them, but titles like Half Life and Portal, that are truely innovative and awesome, is what Valve is known for. Its ironic you would use L4D and valve releasing games quickly as your argument, since those are 2 games of many, and the only instance of them releasing games quickly back to back.

hypoty

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or game they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] I was not criticising their games I was just showing you how console devs games have more "soul" then valve games. I mean they did Portal, Half Life 1 and 2, but Team Fortress was an idea taken from an addon if I remember correctly and L4D1 was pretty barebones in content.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or game they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

Counter Strike ... hello?

Day of defeat... again, classics.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You do know, this is all based on opinions?

Banjo_Kongfooie

I would agree with that, but to be fair, PC gaming has a lot of innovations, but just not to the degree that you would believe from PC gaming supporters who claim that PC is superior in every way when it actually lags in many areas. IMO the reason for this is that the line between pc and console is extremely thin, with the only difference being performance and options versus ease of use and stability, and most devs opt for the latter. Most gamers do too

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] I played it and it is FPS combat wise... you get spells (augments) but it is FPS with wonky aiming system. I missed most of my rounds with my handgun and you barely have ammo in that game.Banjo_Kongfooie

It was never designed to be a FPS, it's more of an Action RPG that focuses on stealth. You miss your shots because you haven't gained enough experience, the game is based on character skill not player skill like a good RPG should be.

As you progress into the game plot lines open up and you are presented with choices. I haven't played any videogame with a story I would write home about, but within the genre it's well paced. What I liked most about it was the world and atmosphere the developers created, it's still convincing to this day. Very dystopian.

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

GunSmith1_basic

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="hypoty"]

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or game they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

Bebi_vegeta

Counter Strike ... hello?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Well that game isn't their success then since it was still based off a non valve mod. So I repeat they have Half life and Portal... even if Team Fortress did count that in no way makes them deserving of being called better developers then Epic, Capcom, ID, etc.Banjo_Kongfooie

Counter Strike ... hello?

Day of defeat, again, another classic.

And Bioware are the most brilliant artists? Their games are amazing especially Jade Empire but they are still not the best imo though they are near qualifying

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] I was not criticising their games I was just showing you how console devs games have more "soul" then valve games. I mean they did Portal, Half Life 1 and 2, but Team Fortress was an idea taken from an addon if I remember correctly and L4D1 was pretty barebones in content.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or game they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

You are forgetting that Valve hired these devs, that means they are Valve. Valve hired the developers of Counter-Strike, Narbacular Drop, Tag Team, Team Fortress and various other modders. Those people make up Valve, so their success is Valves success.

And Bioware are the most brilliant artists? Their games are amazing especially Jade Empire but they are still not the best imo though they are near qualifying

Banjo_Kongfooie

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="hypoty"]

Unlike other companies valve doesn't steal ideas. If they see a promising mod or game they hire the developers to make a game, which is what they did with TF.

hypoty

You are forgetting that Valve hired these devs, that means they are Valve. Valve hired the developers of Counter-Strike, Narbacular Drop, Tag Team, Team Fortress and various other modders. Those people make up Valve, so their success is Valves success.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

And Bioware are the most brilliant artists? Their games are amazing especially Jade Empire but they are still not the best imo though they are near qualifying

devious742

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

And Bioware are the most brilliant artists? Their games are amazing especially Jade Empire but they are still not the best imo though they are near qualifying

Banjo_Kongfooie

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."