[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Well that game isn't their success then since it was still based off a non valve mod. So I repeat they have Half life and Portal... even if Team Fortress did count that in no way makes them deserving of being called better developers then Epic, Capcom, ID, etc.Banjo_Kongfooie

You are forgetting that Valve hired these devs, that means they are Valve. Valve hired the developers of Counter-Strike, Narbacular Drop, Tag Team, Team Fortress and various other modders. Those people make up Valve, so their success is Valves success.

What? Since Valve hired those devs they've not only created in-house versions of their old creations (like CS1.6 and TFC) but they've gone on to creating completely new additions like CSS, TF2, Portal, DoD: S, and soon Portal 2 with the help of the former member of Tag Team. They are Valve, and so are their creations.

oo and before this thread goes out of hand.. like always.. Ill post this again..

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PCs Played More Than Any Console, Reports NPD

PCs are used for gaming more than any console and PlayStation 3 owners are more likely to have multiple consoles, according to the results of the Games Segmentation 2008 report from sales tracking and research firm The NPD Group.

In addition to stating that PlayStation 3 owners are most likely to have other "next-generation" consoles than Wii and Xbox 360 owners, NPD claimed that only 10% of PS2 owners have a PS3. In the realm of portables, 45% of PSP owners have a Nintendo DS, but only 21% of DS owners have a PSP.

Despite the broad declarations, NPD did not provide specific figures for console and PC playtime. Likewise, an exact breakdown showing the ownership patterns of those that have multiple "next-generation" consoles was absent from the release.

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

PC Most Popular Format For Euro Gamers

Who's the most popular gaming format, eh? Who is? Who is? Is it you? Is it? Awwwww, yes, you ARE the most popular gaming format! You big, loveable thing you…

Oh, I'm sorry, you've caught me having a chat with my PC. Because my beautiful little boy is the most popular kid in school. According to an MCV report, as I've been saying for the last four hundred million years, the PC is by far the most popular means of playing games in the UK.

ELSPA and ISFE (Interactive Software Federation of Europe) have conducted a survey of British gamers that finds 33% of all sentient gaming humans are playing their chosen distractions on the big grey box.

Valve: Don't Believe The US Press, PC Gaming Is Alive And Well

in an interview with Good Game that slipped under the radar, Valve's business manager, Jason Holtman, said all the talk about PC gaming dieing because of some super-game console comes from "North America press looking at North American reports". "And North America retail reports don't have Europe in them, and they don't have online PCs on them, they don't have micro-transactions PCs in it. Steam has 20 million users right now and you've got figures like the Cartner Group tells us there's 260 million online PC gamers in the world

Valve: PC Gaming Alive and Well, But Developers Off Their Game

Valve's marketing vice president and frequent spokesman, Doug Lombardi, laughed off the idea that PC gaming is dying, but said other developers need to get with the program.

"I mean, I think, we sort of laugh at it," Lombardi said of increasingly high-pitched concerns over the viability of PC gaming in an interview with Shacknews.com

"Because we've been wildly successful - we're very fortunate, you know. Our games have all done really, really well, Steam has taken off and become this whole other business for us, Valve has never been in better shape - and yet everybody is talking about how in the PC world, the sky is falling," said Lombardi.

Lombardi pointed out that the sales data often cited to buttress claims of a dying PC industry do not include MMOG subscribers, Steam users, other customers of digital download services, or even other countries.

"NPD, god love 'em, they release a U.S. retail sales report, and people take that and say that's the world picture. And it's just not true...if people were looking at WoW's subscriptions alone and factoring it in, looking at Steam sales and factoring it in...Just look at what Popcap's doing - Bejeweled and Peggle and all this stuff - they're not in that NPD data."

Lombardi also said part of the brouhaha was effective PR by console makers and the absence of anything similar on the PC front.

"It is absolutely a perception problem. I mean one of the things that happens is - Microsoft has an army of PR people that work for Microsoft. They have at least two agencies that are additional armies. Nintendo I'm not as familiar with their PR outline, but I'm sure it's similar. Sony is similar. The PC has nobody," he said.

At the same time, Lombardi blasted developers for not taking accurate stock of what computers gamers have, and for aiming only at the high-end. He contrasted this with his own company, which conducts surveys twice a year to gauge the horsepower of gamers' computers.

"You know, it's hard to be able to have games that scale, and to write performance on the high end, and write performance on the bottom end, but you know, winning in any industry means some hard work, and there's a certain level of hard work that developers have to take responsibility for," he observed.

BioWare: PC gaming is in fine health

More PC players and more money being generated "than ever before"

The CEO of BioWare has told us that, contrary to numerous 'PC gaming is dying' claims, the sector's in fine health on a number of fronts.


I think there are more people playing PC games and more dollars being spent on the PC space than ever before, but it's taking a different form," Ray Muzyka said in a recent interview.


Developer Stardock Says Piracy Isn't Killing PC Gaming


There have been a lot of recent talks about the decline of PC gaming. Development studios are closing down, and companies are analysing the woes of the industry. One publisher, however, thinks it naïve to blame piracy for the decline of PC gaming sales. Stardock's latest, a space-based real-time strategy game called Sins of a Solar Empire, has sold roughly 200,000 copies since its release last month. So how has Stardock achieved success?

According to Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock, (via the Sins of a Solar Empire forum) piracy is an issue, but he doesn't think it should be used as a scapegoat when a game doesn't sell. Wardwell states that there is a problem with the way that game developers currently look at the PC install base. "When you develop for a market, you don't go by the user base. You go by the potential customer base. That's what most software companies do. They base what they want to create on the size of the market they're developing for. But not PC game developers. PC game developers seem to focus more on the 'cool' factor. What game can they make that will get them glory with the game magazines and gaming websites and hard core gamers? These days, it seems like game developers want to be like rock stars more than businessmen," Wardell wrote.

Rather than trying to craft a game to get the most media coverage, Wardell approaches the situation from a financial point of view. "When I make a game, I focus on making games that I think will be the most profitable… when it comes time to make a game, I don't have a hard time thinking of a game I'd like to play. The hard part is coming up with a game that we can actually make that will be profitable. And that means looking at the market as a business not about trying to be 'cool'."

Following this approach, Wardell cites Sins of a Solar Empire's success. The game has received great critical praise, in addition to having sold nearly 200,000 copies in its first month; an amazing feat for a comparatively small budgeted title. Wardell cites the lack of copy protection on Sins of a Solar Empire as one of the myth busters to piracy killing PC gaming.

Study: PC Software Sales Up 3% To $13.1 Billion In 2009

The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a non-profit PC gaming advocacy group, revealed a new research study indicating that PC gaming software revenues worldwide reached $13.1 billion in 2009, a 3 percent increase over the previous year.

That increase came in spite of decreased retail boxed sales for PC games, which suffered the "biggest downturn" out of all the sales categories PCGA tracked and now accounts for less than 20 percent of total software revenue for the year.

Digital distribution growth also largely offset losses in other PC gaming software categories. In its surveys of PC gamers in North America and Europe, the report found that 70 percent of respondents have purchased a full game online.

"The most notable trend in recent years has been the movement to digital distribution and payment for subscriptions, and the growing popularity with consumers of online games as a service," says PCGA president and Intel director Randy Stude.


Tales of PC gaming's death have been greatly exaggerated

The "death of PC gaming" has become reliable column and blog fodder for tech journalists. Perhaps it stems from lingering bitterness over time wasted editing Warcraft batch files in DOS 6.0. Regardless, you shouldn't take the idea seriously.

To prove it, we won't even lean on that most tempting pillar of PC gaming, the 12 million-strong World of Warcraft monthly subscription-paying player base. Instead we'll point to a report by Rock, Paper, Shotgun's Kieron Gillen from Britain's Develop 09 conference, specifically from a presentation on digital distribution.

Chart Track also estimated that digital distribution makes up 22 percent of the $13 billion global PC market, which boils down to $2.86 billion. If global digital distribution sales follow the same growth pattern that Chart Track projects for Steam for 2009, worldwide digital game sales will climb by $2.23 billion. That brings the global digital from from $2.86 billion in 2008 to almost $5.1 billion for 2009.

Now let's look at retail, in this case we'll use NPD's $701 million in U.S retail sales. Globally, Chart Track says PC retail sales represent 24 percent of the $13 billion pie, or $3.12 billion. That means NPD's $701 million figure represents approximately 23 percent of the worldwide retail market in 2008.

To recap our estimates for 2009:

* Global retail PC game sales: $2.37 billion (23% decrease)
* Global digital PC game sales: $5.09 billion (78% increase)
* Global in-game PC ad sales: $1.32 billion (26.8% increase)
* Global subscription and microtransactions: >$5.98 billion (unknown % increase)
* Total 2009 global PC game sales: $14.76 billion-plus (minimum 13.5% increase)

Blizzard: PC gaming is not dying out, BlizzCon proves it

In an interview with Gamasutra, Kevin Martens, Blizzard Lead Content Designer, revealed his opinion on the "PC gaming is dead" mentality that has been of much discussion lately. Martens feels that Blizzard counteracts this best by keeping system requirements low while making sure its games are still marketable.

"The death knell of PC has risen and fallen over the years, and we keep releasing PC games, and they keep doing incredibly well," said Martens. "I think that there is a market out there for PC games. The latest consoles are great; it's easy to get the game running and all that. They're useful.

"But everyone has a PC, and we try to keep our system requirements down as low as possible. That's one of the ways that we can make sure to appeal to enough people. Some of the really cutting edge games that come out for PC require a brand new video card and probably more RAM at least, if not a new CPU as well. That's really rare with Blizzard games. I think that's one of the reasons we still keep doing well.

"The best evidence that the PC market is not actually dying is the 20,000 people that showed up this year at Blizzcon, and the fact that those tickets sold out in one minute flat.

"That doesn't seem to me, that it's really good evidence, of a platform with a problem."

Sega: PC sales are stronger than reported

Growing digital sales mean that the charts don't tell the full PC games story

Publishing giant Sega has defended PC gaming, calling it a strong and vital market for the games industry.

Physical retail sales of PC games are continuing to slide in 2010, but Sega's UK MD John Clark says that isn't a fair representation of the market – with digital sales now accounting for a large proportion of revenue.

"The PC market is third in terms of its year-on-year performance with a decline of 26 per cent, but this doesn't really reflect the full picture," said Clark.

"The PC digital download business is now a viable sector but somewhat invisible as it's not yet covered by Chart-Track. The PC market overall is actually performing much better than is currently reported and remains a vital and strong sector to be involved in."

Sega was the second biggest UK PC publisher in 2009, with 12 per cent share of the market.

Meanwhile, year-to-date in 2010 the company has a 12.8 per cent share of the PC games sector. This was boosted by the strong performance last month of Aliens vs Predator, Napoleon: Total War, as well as continued sales of Football Manager 2010.

"Last month's PC chart illustrates Sega's position within this sector," added Clark.

"Napoleon: Total War, Football Manager 2010 and Aliens vs Predator are three different **** of game from three different genres. They can all drive a strong, community fan base with the ability to consistently deliver endless hours of gameplay. Incidentally, they are all developed in the UK.

"For 2009, Sega was ranked the second biggest PC publisher in the market. In 2010 year-to-date, we are once again ranked second. Long may it continue."

PC receives high-profile backing from EA

Whilst High Street sales of PC software can paint a picture of decline, the un-monitored online revenues coming from the format are drastically increasing – a fact that helped EA enjoy a strong performance on the format last year.

VG247 points out that EA released 32 PC games in its last fiscal year – far ahead of Xbox 360 (26), PS3 (23), DS (22), Wii (21), PS2 (14), PSP (8) and Xbox (1).

Revenues from EA's digital services hit $429m – up 27 per cent compared to the same period the year before.

"This is a big year for us [on PC]," said EA CFO Eric Brown. "The online part of our business is growing as much as 60 percent year over year.

"In terms of distribution, the way we look at a lot what's happening in the future is, we've got probably a billion PCs out there in the world. Very rapidly the PC is becoming the largest gaming platform in the world, just not in a packaged-good product."

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

just look at lists of the top games of all time buddy. Consoles dominate those lists and for good reason. PC games do have unmatched complexity, but complexity is not synonymous with quality. Yes, there were great games on PC, but they are nothing compared to the advancements on consoles. The story of gaming is the story of consoles with PC always in the background, the industry fueling console technology but ultimately finding it's most brilliant artists on consoles


GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] I played it and it is FPS combat wise... you get spells (augments) but it is FPS with wonky aiming system. I missed most of my rounds with my handgun and you barely have ammo in that game.Banjo_Kongfooie

It was never designed to be a FPS, it's more of an Action RPG that focuses on stealth. You miss your shots because you haven't gained enough experience, the game is based on character skill not player skill like a good RPG should be.

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

devious742

Not all PCs are "made" for games. But all consoles are.

Rikusaki

Nonsense. Personal computers exist for the sole purpose of playing Minesweeper and Solitaire. All that crap about revolutionizing math, science, engineering, etc. it all is nothing compared to Minesweeper.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

Rikusaki

BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."

I suppose that the poll results speak more than the cliched nonsense that Riku wrote in the OP.

Anyway I only own PC's, so I mostly play on those, but I usually play on consoles when my neighbor isn't using one of his.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

Rikusaki

The Cell isnt a good general cpu because a Pentium 4 can out do it in every way. The every piece of software has to be coded for all SPE's for each task. And if not the Cell's PPE does the general tasks and its slower then the Pentium 4's. Each SPE has no cache and thier only clocked at 1.8ghz , and if your going theoretical Floating Point Calculations they will never be reached because all resources go to other tasks when gaming. The Cell cant augment the RSX, the Cell cant render and display models, texrures etc with the RSX, it can only do a few graphicalcalculation tasks to help out the RSX, and they are calculations jobs to offload some the work load for the RSX to give you better physic animations and complex shadowing.

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Well that game isn't their success then since it was still based off a non valve mod. So I repeat they have Half life and Portal... even if Team Fortress did count that in no way makes them deserving of being called better developers then Epic, Capcom, ID, etc.Banjo_Kongfooie

You are forgetting that Valve hired these devs, that means they are Valve. Valve hired the developers of Counter-Strike, Narbacular Drop, Tag Team, Team Fortress and various other modders. Those people make up Valve, so their success is Valves success.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

Rikusaki

Are you kidding?

Do you really need to rely on intentional misinterpretations to bring forth your point?

Take a deep long breath, Riku.

This Reminds me of the GT vs. Forza threads. Rikusaki got Pwned in those threads too.forza420

Judging by his past posts, I doubt he's doing this of his own accord. Probably he's just putting himself in denial to prove PCs is effectively the best platform :D

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

All the games on the PC that you can't play on consoles beg to differ.

Megaman5364

There are plenty of them Like:

World in Conflict

The Witcher

Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl,Clear sky, and Call of Pipyat

Dawn of War 2 + Chaos Rising expansion

Titan Quest + Immortal Throne

Torchlight

Arma 2 + Operation Arrow Head

Sam and Max Season 2

Machinarium

WoW + Expansions

Total War Series

Gtr 2

Sims 3

Company of Heroes + Expansions

Penumbra Series

Plants Vs Zombies

and Don't even try to say there no variety there cause there plenty of variety there at least one game from each of the following genres First Person Shooter,RTS,RTT, Action RPG,RPG,Racing Sim,MMORPG,Military Sim,Tower Defense,Adventure,Horror Action Adventure, and Virtual Life Simulator. And all quality games as well large majority getting scores of 80 or higher here on gamespot.

Machinarium was one of the more memorable games of last year. It had more soul than all blockbuster games released for PS3 & 360 combined.

I chose to pay more for a superior experience. Saying console gaming is superior is like saying Sunsplash is better than Disneyland (though the price difference isnt as bad heh)

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

N30F3N1X

Are you kidding?

Do you really need to rely on intentional misinterpretations to bring forth your point?

Take a deep long breath, Riku.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Not all PCs are "made" for games. But all consoles are. From the ground up. The CPU (CELL B.E.) in the PS3 isn't even a good general purpose CPU. It was really designed to work together with the GPU (RSX) to produce graphics, physics and other visual effects.

Sailor_Enlil

Are you kidding?

Do you really need to rely on intentional misinterpretations to bring forth your point?

Take a deep long breath, Riku.

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BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."

Show us a NETBOOK that's "made for games"

*goes back to playing NFS:Shift on his PS3*

Sailor_Enlil

Show me a PC that is made for ANYTHING. The fact of the matter is, a PC is what you want it to be. Even if you change your mind, all you need to do is install different programs or upgrade hardware. PC is not a solid system that is exactly the same, it evolves, it changes.

This thread is entirely useless. Even then, a netbook as you put it, could play any game from ~2003 backwards. Do you still consider a PS2 a games system? If so, why not a netbook; they would play the same standard of games. Everyone needs to get over themselves.

read that again.. here ill post what bioware said again and again until you guys understand that hes talking about pc as a PLATFORM.. not specs/tech wise :|

devious742

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Not all PCs are "made" for games. But all consoles are. From the ground up. The CPU (CELL B.E.) in the PS3 isn't even a good general purpose CPU. It was really designed to work together with the GPU (RSX) to produce graphics, physics and other visual effects.

Sailor_Enlil

Are you kidding?

Do you really need to rely on intentional misinterpretations to bring forth your point?

Take a deep long breath, Riku.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Show us a NETBOOK that's "made for games"

*goes back to playing NFS:Shift on his PS3*

-Feath-

Show me a PC that is made for ANYTHING. The fact of the matter is, a PC is what you want it to be. Even if you change your mind, all you need to do is install different programs or upgrade hardware. PC is not a solid system that is exactly the same, it evolves, it changes.

This thread is entirely useless. Even then, a netbook as you put it, could play any game from ~2003 backwards. Do you still consider a PS2 a games system? If so, why not a netbook; they would play the same standard of games. Everyone needs to get over themselves.

Show us a NETBOOK that's "made for games"

*goes back to playing NFS:Shift on his PS3*

Sailor_Enlil

Here you go, a netbook made for games:

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Are you kidding?

Do you really need to rely on intentional misinterpretations to bring forth your point?

Take a deep long breath, Riku.

ronvalencia

Sure, if your "standard of games" include Solitare, Minesweeper, Hangaroo, Bejewelled, TextTwist, or those Facebook games.

Sailor_Enlil

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"] [QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Show us a NETBOOK that's "made for games"

*goes back to playing NFS:Shift on his PS3*

Sailor_Enlil

Show me a PC that is made for ANYTHING. The fact of the matter is, a PC is what you want it to be. Even if you change your mind, all you need to do is install different programs or upgrade hardware. PC is not a solid system that is exactly the same, it evolves, it changes.

This thread is entirely useless. Even then, a netbook as you put it, could play any game from ~2003 backwards. Do you still consider a PS2 a games system? If so, why not a netbook; they would play the same standard of games. Everyone needs to get over themselves.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Show us a NETBOOK that's "made for games"

*goes back to playing NFS:Shift on his PS3*

Sailor_Enlil

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]

Show me a PC that is made for ANYTHING. The fact of the matter is, a PC is what you want it to be. Even if you change your mind, all you need to do is install different programs or upgrade hardware. PC is not a solid system that is exactly the same, it evolves, it changes.

This thread is entirely useless. Even then, a netbook as you put it, could play any game from ~2003 backwards. Do you still consider a PS2 a games system? If so, why not a netbook; they would play the same standard of games. Everyone needs to get over themselves.

-Feath-

[QUOTE="devious742"]

read that again.. here ill post what bioware said again and again until you guys understand that hes talking about pc as a PLATFORM.. not specs/tech wise :|

Sailor_Enlil

no it does not.. it has nothing to do with what Bioware said.. try again:|

BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.

"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."

he told CVG. "And yet, all of the biggest games that ever come out - that set the records - are nearly always PC games, and a lot of them are fantasy games."

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Sure, if your "standard of games" include Solitare, Minesweeper, Hangaroo, Bejewelled, TextTwist, or those Facebook games.

Sailor_Enlil

:lol:

PC's have no variety

tell that to the 100's of games oon sale on steam.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="-Feath-"] Can you not read? Any game from 2003 roughly, backwards, will run on a semi-decent netbook. hurr durr ignorance

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="Megaman5364"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

All the games on the PC that you can't play on consoles beg to differ.

There are plenty of them Like:

Sam and Max Season 2

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

All the games on the PC that you can't play on consoles beg to differ.

Rikusaki

:lol:

PC's have no variety

tell that to the 100's of games oon sale on steam.

Animal-Mother

Yea we get it Steam ROX... But if it is soooooo good how come Valve makes you install it to play their games?

I mean really most of their deals contain uneeded games like the Call of Duty "deal", sure it has some good deals but you all exagerate it.

Plus PC hardware is to expensive to play some of these games on the deal to atleast 360 standards... I mean I have only met one guy with a PC and Crysis

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

:lol:

PC's have no variety

tell that to the 100's of games oon sale on steam.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Yea we get it Steam ROX... But if it is soooooo good how come Valve makes you install it to play their games?

I mean really most of their deals contain uneeded games like the Call of Duty "deal", sure it has some good deals but you all exagerate it.

Plus PC hardware is to expensive to play some of these games on the deal to atleast 360 standards... I mean I have only met one guy with a PC and Crysis

OMG :lol: Why does valve make you install games? :roll: , Come on now, Installing games on harddrives is come place on the PS3 and even becoming the norm for the 360. Installing games onto hdd, means no disc is needed and much faster loading times then even any dvd drive. Why do consolers forget the fact that the consoles were $500+ back in 2005 and $500 Pc of today can be 3x faster and better looking then the 360...... expensive... HA! a $60 GPU upgrade can make the family Pc or your Pc(made and bought within the last 4 years) will be able to out pace the 360 graphically.

pros and cons to both, as I play both. PC is the far superior platform hence it costing more if you want to see that superiority. If you are ok with it being on console level it doesnt cost much. That being said, Most games costless, No fee for playing games online, does SO much more (it really does only do everything), they are super reliable (unless you don't know how to use one :P), and way more. So yes they seem expensive, but in the long run really are not that bad and are far superior, That being said consoles can be nice and I love the exclusives of PS3 and Wii (not 360 as it is a watered down PC) so i own them aswell.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

:lol:

PC's have no variety

tell that to the 100's of games oon sale on steam.

04dcarraher

Yea we get it Steam ROX... But if it is soooooo good how come Valve makes you install it to play their games?

I mean really most of their deals contain uneeded games like the Call of Duty "deal", sure it has some good deals but you all exagerate it.

Plus PC hardware is to expensive to play some of these games on the deal to atleast 360 standards... I mean I have only met one guy with a PC and Crysis

OMG :lol: Why does valve make you install games? :roll: , Come on now, Installing games on hradrives is come place on the PS3 and even becoming the norm for the 360. Installing games onto hdd, means no disc is needed and much faster loading times then even any dvd drive. Why do consolers forget the fact that the consoles were $500 back in 2005 and $500 Pc of today can be 3x faster and better looking then the 360...... expensive... HA! a $60 GPU upgrade can make the family Pc or your Pc(made and bought within the last 4 years) will be able to out pace the 360.

pros and cons to both, as I play both. PC is the far superior platform hence it costing more if you want to see that superiority. If you are ok with it being on console level it doesnt cost much. That being said, Most games costless, No fee for playing games online, does SO much more (it really does only do everything), they are super reliable (unless you don't know how to use one :P), and way more. So yes they seem expensive, but in the long run really are not that bad and are far superior, That being said consoles can be nice and I love the exclusives of PS3 and Wii (not 360 as it is a watered down PC) so i own them aswell.

NaveedLife

Wow I knew this topic was to promote the Ps3 as well but if you did your research the 360 has Fable 2 , Gears of War 2, Halo 3 etc.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

Yea we get it Steam ROX... But if it is soooooo good how come Valve makes you install it to play their games?

I mean really most of their deals contain uneeded games like the Call of Duty "deal", sure it has some good deals but you all exagerate it.

Plus PC hardware is to expensive to play some of these games on the deal to atleast 360 standards... I mean I have only met one guy with a PC and Crysis

Banjo_Kongfooie

OMG :lol: Why does valve make you install games? :roll: , Come on now, Installing games on hradrives is come place on the PS3 and even becoming the norm for the 360. Installing games onto hdd, means no disc is needed and much faster loading times then even any dvd drive. Why do consolers forget the fact that the consoles were $500 back in 2005 and $500 Pc of today can be 3x faster and better looking then the 360...... expensive... HA! a $60 GPU upgrade can make the family Pc or your Pc(made and bought within the last 4 years) will be able to out pace the 360.

Well lets see,transistors = processing power in general. the Xenos gpu has 330 million transistors with only 256mb of memory and 48 shader processors, ok, now a 9800GT has 754 million with 512mb-1gb of memory and 112 shader processors so right there tells you that a 9800Gt is around 4x faster then Xenos and its under $100 not $400 and a $400 gpuis8x+ faster then the Xenos. So what rock you been living under?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

OMG :lol: Why does valve make you install games? :roll: , Come on now, Installing games on hradrives is come place on the PS3 and even becoming the norm for the 360. Installing games onto hdd, means no disc is needed and much faster loading times then even any dvd drive. Why do consolers forget the fact that the consoles were $500 back in 2005 and $500 Pc of today can be 3x faster and better looking then the 360...... expensive... HA! a $60 GPU upgrade can make the family Pc or your Pc(made and bought within the last 4 years) will be able to out pace the 360.

04dcarraher

Well lets see,transistors = processing power in general. the Xenos gpu has 330 million transistors with only 256mb of memory and 48 shader processors, ok, now a 9800GT has 754 million with 512mb-1gb of memory and 112 shader processors so right there tells you that a 9800Gt is around 4x faster then Xenos and its under $100 not $400 and a $400 gpuis8x+ faster then the Xenos. So what rock you been living under?

Faster does not equate to raw power and most people can't use the Nvidias because they have graphics by ATI. Also last I checked sure maybe the 9800GT runs 4x fast but is 75-100$ which is still a steep price

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Barely pass the 360 I am sure and I was refering to how they make you install steam not their games but thank you for reminding me... Soon your harddrive runs out and you are out of luck and need to buy a new one. You need to understand most people have computers similiar to mine not most steam users but most users. I mean it takes 400$ for a graphics card to pass the 360 by a reasonable amount and like a $600+ for the best graphics card... I mean there is a reason your games cost less and it is because how expensive the hardware is

Banjo_Kongfooie

Well lets see,transistors = processing power in general. the Xenos gpu has 330 million transistors with only 256mb of memory and 48 shader processors, ok, now a 9800GT has 754 million with 512mb-1gb of memory and 112 shader processors so right there tells you that a 9800Gt is around 4x faster then Xenos and its under $100 not $400 and a $400 gpuis8x+ faster then the Xenos. So what rock you been living under?

Faster does not equate to raw power and most people can't use the Nvidias because they have graphics by ATI. Also last I checked sure maybe the 9800GT runs 4x fast but is 75-100$ which is still a steep price

what the hell are you even talking about? none of what you are saying makes any sense.

Nvidia has a far greater market-share then ATI.

1. accessibility- WRONG. I bring my entire rig to my friends house. It is as enough trouble as bringing a console

2. EVERYONE CAN PLAY MYTH- WRONG. On my pc i can hook up to 4 xbox 360 controllers

3- PRICE. WRONG. With steam and upgrades that put the pc LIGHTYEARS ahead of consoles it is cheaper in the long run.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Barely pass the 360 I am sure and I was refering to how they make you install steam not their games but thank you for reminding me... Soon your harddrive runs out and you are out of luck and need to buy a new one. You need to understand most people have computers similiar to mine not most steam users but most users. I mean it takes 400$ for a graphics card to pass the 360 by a reasonable amount and like a $600+ for the best graphics card... I mean there is a reason your games cost less and it is because how expensive the hardware is

Banjo_Kongfooie

Well lets see,transistors = processing power in general. the Xenos gpu has 330 million transistors with only 256mb of memory and 48 shader processors, ok, now a 9800GT has 754 million with 512mb-1gb of memory and 112 shader processors so right there tells you that a 9800Gt is around 4x faster then Xenos and its under $100 not $400 and a $400 gpuis8x+ faster then the Xenos. So what rock you been living under?

Faster does not equate to raw power and most people can't use the Nvidias because they have graphics by ATI. Also last I checked sure maybe the 9800GT runs 4x fast but is 75-100$ which is still a steep price

1. accessibility- WRONG. I bring my entire rig to my friends house. It is as enough trouble as bringing a console

2. EVERYONE CAN PLAY MYTH- WRONG. On my pc i can hook up to 4 xbox 360 controllers

3- PRICE. WRONG. With steam and upgrades that put the pc LIGHTYEARS ahead of consoles it is cheaper in the long run.

BioDogshock

Without an emulator

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

:lol:

PC's have no variety

tell that to the 100's of games oon sale on steam.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Yea we get it Steam ROX... But if it is soooooo good how come Valve makes you install it to play their games?

I mean really most of their deals contain uneeded games like the Call of Duty "deal", sure it has some good deals but you all exagerate it.

Plus PC hardware is to expensive to play some of these games on the deal to atleast 360 standards... I mean I have only met one guy with a PC and Crysis

[QUOTE="BioDogshock"]

1. accessibility- WRONG. I bring my entire rig to my friends house. It is as enough trouble as bringing a console

2. EVERYONE CAN PLAY MYTH- WRONG. On my pc i can hook up to 4 xbox 360 controllers

3- PRICE. WRONG. With steam and upgrades that put the pc LIGHTYEARS ahead of consoles it is cheaper in the long run.

Sailor_Enlil

Without an emulator

Why should he care?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Come on now, a 500gb harddrive is under $60. whats a 20gb or 120gb and now a 250gb 360 drive going to cost you? $50-$150. And are you serious? $400 gpu to out do a 360 :lol: thats bull and you know it.

Well lets see,transistors = processing power in general. the Xenos gpu has 330 million transistors with only 256mb of memory and 48 shader processors, ok, now a 9800GT has 754 million with 512mb-1gb of memory and 112 shader processors so right there tells you that a 9800Gt is around 4x faster then Xenos and its under $100 not $400 and a $400 gpuis8x+ faster then the Xenos. So what rock you been living under?

04dcarraher

Faster does not equate to raw power and most people can't use the Nvidias because they have graphics by ATI. Also last I checked sure maybe the 9800GT runs 4x fast but is 75-100$ which is still a steep price

Wow that costed 75$ and I doubt it is 3x better as the 360 gpu was designed for gamming only not multitasking