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#301 N30F3N1X
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I think you've missed the point of mymost often-repeatedargument in SW... that it's a bad idea to draw conclusions about people's intelligence based on their choice of platform. I'm not commenting on your intelligence at all.

lowe0

You can spin it any way you want and fill it with moralist wannabe-everyone-equal arguments, it's not going to magically turn the substance into something true.

You know exactly what bringing a Mac among PC gamers means.

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#302 Nerkcon
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Maybe off topic but why does it when... A) Someone can't do something so simple B) Someone is claiming they don't have the time to research or practice C Someone claiming they're buying something 'casual' It is always because they're doing it/ can't do it because of a girlfriend/wife and kids?
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#303 nintendo-4life
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Basically, the problem with PC gaming is that it's not the best platform for platformers, Action adventures, JRPGS, split screen multiplayer and party games. Anything else it pretty much destroys the competition.
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#304 lowe0
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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

You can spin it any way you want and fill it with moralist wannabe-everyone-equal arguments, it's not going to magically turn the substance into something true.

You know exactly what bringing a Mac among PC gamers means.

What, that it's my laptop? I think you have me confused for the more, shall we say, "zealous" Mac users. That'd be kind of ironic, since I make my living off of Microsoft's development tools.
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#305 mgs_freak91
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

All the games on the PC that you can't play on consoles beg to differ.

Rikusaki

It's not just about exclusivity. It's the variety that makes consoles get more attention from the mainstream.

So you're saying that the PC lacks action/adventure games? Well the consoles do lack strategy games. I'm also willing to bet that the PC has more action/adventure games on it then all the consoles do of strategy games. You don't need to upgrade your computer with the latest hardware every couple of months...you know? Nor update the drivers every couple of months as well. Also I have taken my computer, so has many of my friends, to each others houses. Also have you heard of a laptop? It might not be as good as desktop computers when it comes to raw power - but my laptop can play BF:BC2, MW2, TF2, etc all on max graphics - with the exception of some tweaks being made to BC2. Yet it probably looks better than the console counterparts. It's fine if you want to game on what 'I' think is the inferior platform. Just as I'm sure you think the PC is inferior. But don't try and push your beliefs on to us. You won't be converting many PC gamers to a console. Because the facts are... 1) A larger game database 2) A larger gaming online community 3) Mods ...allows endless solutions. Let's not go into detail on all the stuff that the PC can do over consoles anyways when it comes to not gaming as well. Or that the games are cheaper. =|
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#306 deathtarget04
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This is why PC gaming will always be better than consoles.

br0kenrabbit

Cant tell if serious. Thats almost 2 mintutes that i'll never get back.

And to think those people spent 3 hours just to activate that cat. Huh.

I' sorry i've never found mods or anything like that in particular to be of any useful to me. They're pretty much a waste of time. And sure one can claim that it increases game longetivity, but I rarely game nowadays. I have so much in life to do its crazy. And to bore myself with these mods is sad.

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#307 madmenno
Member since 2004 • 1528 Posts

PC's have loads of variety, try this,

Race games,

JRPG, WRPG

RTS,

TBS,

FPS,

MMO,

God games like city builders, empire builder (yes they are different), tycoons.

sports,

puzzle,

Browser games,

Mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods, mods

And i can play every game that ever came out and probably will come out in the next 4 years (not highest settings though.), My PC cost me 300 euro a year ago.

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#308 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

But you never showed anyone a game compareable to Empire: Total War on consoles....

It should at least be a fair trade imo.

tagyhag

It's not a fair trade when one of those games is an AAAAE and the other isn't.. Does the PC have any AAAA titles form this decade? This century?

Great SCOTT you are right! :O The PC doesn't have a single AAAA game, that automatically renders every other game null and the PC loses. Rikusaki, you have won the war.

Yay! Do I win a prize? :)

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#309 jedikevin2
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

This is why PC gaming will always be better than consoles.

deathtarget04

Cant tell if serious. Thats almost 2 mintutes that i'll never get back.

And to think those people spent 3 hours just to activate that cat. Huh.

I' sorry i've never found mods or anything like that in particular to be of any useful to me. They're pretty much a waste of time. And sure one can claim that it increases game longetivity, but I rarely game nowadays. I have so much in life to do its crazy. And to bore myself with these mods is sad.

Well if you feel like that then you miss out on GREAT Mod gems such as I Hate Mountains 4

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#310 Hakkai007
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It's hilarious to see consolites being backed into a corner.

All they can do is nitpick about the smallest things.

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#311 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Great SCOTT you are right! :O The PC doesn't have a single AAAA game, that automatically renders every other game null and the PC loses. Rikusaki, you have won the war.Rikusaki

Yay! Do I win a prize? :)

I would post your prize, but I would probably just get modded and just make Dystopian happy. :P

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#312 lowe0
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[QUOTE="deathtarget04"]

I' sorry i've never found mods or anything like that in particular to be of any useful to me. They're pretty much a waste of time. And sure one can claim that it increases game longetivity, but I rarely game nowadays. I have so much in life to do its crazy. And to bore myself with these mods is sad.

jedikevin2

Well if you feel like that then you miss out on GREAT Mod gems such as I Hate Mountains 4

I can certainly sympathize with him to some extent; while I understand that there are some really great mods out there, I just don't have any desire to seek them out. Part of it comes from a lack of usable free time (not frequently interrupted), and part of it comes from a sense of purism; I want to play the game exactly as the developer intended it.

It's hilarious to see consolites being backed into a corner.



All they can do is nitpick about the smallest things.

Hakkai007

Looks more like a stalemate than a corner to me.

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#313 General_X
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After 16+ pages and several threads on the PC vs Console playstyle debate, I'm going to go out on a limb and state that no one has had their play style preferences changed by these threads, as much as I would love to see PC gaming grow in mainstream popularity.
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#314 UCF_Knight
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Now I'd recommend someone making a 'Why PCs Are Superior' thread but it'd take too long. :P Both have their benefits but I primarily use my PC. Occasionally I'll turn on my Wii or PS3, but only when a game really sparks my interest.
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#315 lpjazzman220
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ummm...in most cases....and 8800 or 7900 geforce on a 3 gig dual core with 4 gig of memory can play multiplats at the same ugly resolution or better than consoles......and i could build that today for less than 150usd.....or back then....if i just used a 7900 when the 8800 came out....around 300-400....less than all the consoles except wii on release..../end thread/

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#316 UCF_Knight
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Yeah I've spent $700 on my laptop that'll run just about everything, even Crysis Warhead on medium. I've spent more on my Wii and PS3, including extra controllers and everything, and I have way more games for my PC. The money argument is silly, but oh well.
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#317 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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ummm...in most cases....and 8800 or 7900 geforce on a 3 gig dual core with 4 gig of memory can play multiplats at the same ugly resolution or better than consoles......and i could build that today for less than 150usd.....or back then....if i just used a 7900 when the 8800 came out....around 300-400....less than all the consoles except wii on release..../end thread/

lpjazzman220
That's complete bull****. Less that 150 dollars? What are you smoking?
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#318 General_X
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[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

ummm...in most cases....and 8800 or 7900 geforce on a 3 gig dual core with 4 gig of memory can play multiplats at the same ugly resolution or better than consoles......and i could build that today for less than 150usd.....or back then....if i just used a 7900 when the 8800 came out....around 300-400....less than all the consoles except wii on release..../end thread/

Guppy507
That's complete bull****. Less that 150 dollars? What are you smoking?

I'd have to agree: 8800GT/9800GT = ~$80-100 3GB Ram = ~$60-75 AMD Dual Core (if you can find the Athalon series) = ~$40+ Now if you are really careful in searching for deals and combo prices and such then maybe you can get these components for ~$150 but thats only about 1/2-1/3 of the parts you need for a computer. Maybe if you're upgrading an existing one.
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#319 -CheeseEater-
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I dislike the....for £400/500 you can build a computer which outpowers any console blah blah, etc. Because, we're talking about now at 5 years on from the start of this gen - go back to 2006, and I doubt you'd have been able to find me an equivalently powerful PC for £209? Same will happen with the next gen.

Ravensmash
The PS3 was $1000AU when it first launched. I could easily have built a PC that far out-powered it (did, and still own today).
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#320 Cheesehead9099
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

It's a cuddly wuddly seal. Deal with it :|tagyhag
*looks for shotgun under bed*

:P

Why is everyone hating on my seal? :cry:

I like that seal... these people are evil..
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#321 67gt500
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

This is why PC gaming will always be better than consoles.

This Wins... it's over folks - nothing else to see here...
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#322 lpjazzman220
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[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

ummm...in most cases....and 8800 or 7900 geforce on a 3 gig dual core with 4 gig of memory can play multiplats at the same ugly resolution or better than consoles......and i could build that today for less than 150usd.....or back then....if i just used a 7900 when the 8800 came out....around 300-400....less than all the consoles except wii on release..../end thread/

General_X

That's complete bull****. Less that 150 dollars? What are you smoking?

I'd have to agree: 8800GT/9800GT = ~$80-100 3GB Ram = ~$60-75 AMD Dual Core (if you can find the Athalon series) = ~$40+ Now if you are really careful in searching for deals and combo prices and such then maybe you can get these components for ~$150 but thats only about 1/2-1/3 of the parts you need for a computer. Maybe if you're upgrading an existing one.

sry u guys are right...i kinda didnt research that before i posted....i have a desktop lying around that i spent less than 250 on...not including psu and dvd and case that still runs great and can play most games at the same resolutions that consoles do....seeing as how most of them run low resolution and upscale...but it has a amd x2 2.5 oc'd to 3 and 4 gig of ram and an 7900....its not the best...but it got the job done....oh and i always do the combo deals cause they cost less....sry bout that tho guys...but still....u dont need a 1000usd+ system to run these games....about 400-600 and itll run the same games as consoles for the same amount of time....face it....the games on consoles cant be better than the consoles...so to run the multiplats alone....u dont need to upgrade

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#323 mitu123
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People still prefer PC because of more higher rated games, superior multiplats, better graphics, mods, dedicated servers in nearly ever MP game, genres it does best at, certain genres that you don't see a lot on consoles, indie games, etc.

Those reasons won't stop them.:P

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#325 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"][QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] *looks for shotgun under bed* :P

Why is everyone hating on my seal? :cry:

I like that seal... these people are evil..

hehe, I like it too. :) I think their problem is that they're only use to HD, high AA 3D textures so they only see the seal as some short of blob with eyes. Graphics **** :P
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#326 Hakkai007
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ummm...in most cases....and 8800 or 7900 geforce on a 3 gig dual core with 4 gig of memory can play multiplats at the same ugly resolution or better than consoles......and i could build that today for less than 150usd.....or back then....if i just used a 7900 when the 8800 came out....around 300-400....less than all the consoles except wii on release..../end thread/

lpjazzman220

Actually an 8800GT is leaps and bounds above a console.

An 8800gt easily beats out 2 7800gt cards in SLI.

Heck an 8800gts 320mb beats 2 7800gt cards in SLI and the 8800gt is more powerful than the 8800gts 320 mb version.

I have an 8800gt OC and I can play most games at max 1680x1050 res.

Only games like crysis and metro 2033 need to be played at 1440x900, but still on max directx 10 settings.

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#327 wooooode
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More people travel with PC's than consoles, there are tons of lan parties and such as well as the huge market of gaming laptops now. You can flip this argument in so many ways to favor the PC as well, I support all consoles and PC but you are giving that standard blind views. PC gamers can just say they got WOW and nothing on consoles even reaches 50% of what that game offers. SMG - You got me here Uncharted - Tomb Raider LBP2 - Heck that is not even out on consoles yet but with mods available for tons of games PC gamers have been leaps and bounds ahead of this for over a decade.
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#329 skrat_01
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The PC. Shall we look at the difference of: Dwarf Fortress. The Void. ArmA II. DCS Black Shark. EVE Online. The Sims. Farmville. Total War. Console gaming lacks variety compared to the PC by a massive margin.
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#330 abuabed
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Riku, you don't know much about PC gaming do you?
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#331 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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This thread just reeks of pure ignorance and fanboyism
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#332 DethSkematik
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Yeah, I agree....my desktop weighs 40 pounds (:o) and the hell if I'm lugging that thing anywhere :|. Although that's why I also have a laptop...the specs are crap for today's standards, but it gets most games...well, playable :P.
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#333 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

All the games on the PC that you can't play on consoles beg to differ.

Rikusaki

It's not just about exclusivity. It's the variety that makes consoles get more attention from the mainstream.

Its this kind of argument from consolites that makes me go LOL in real life. They really have no idea of the multitude of genres thats available on the PC, from the most casual games to the most "hardcore" of games. I would really take consolites arguments more seriously if not for the fact that 90% of the time, they usually come out as "I actually have no idea what I'm talking about". The only legit argument a consolite can make is that they prefer the exclusives available on their platforms. Thats it.
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#334 Mystic-G
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This thread just reeks of pure ignorance and fanboyismocstew
Why else would it be so popular? Intelligence doesn't get attention on SW.
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#335 Danm_999
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I've just noticed that all the arguments vis-a-vis console vs. PC are basically ways in which consoles excuse user end inadequacies. The PC is empirically the superior platform to game on. The only excuse seems to be one is unwilling or unable to utilise it.
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#336 ronvalencia
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Portability - Bring your console with you. Instant gaming at your friend's place.

Rikusaki

Better mobility.

Laptop and income tax deductions.http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1067491

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#337 dakan45
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i agree with all points apart from variety, also add to the list that pc games suffer from various issues that you get problems in installs, crashing in game, terrible optimization or problems with certain drivers that cause visual bugs in the game or stuttering and if something is wrong with your hardware you gonna have to test them all to figure out which one.
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#338 ronvalencia
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i agree with all points apart from variety, also add to the list that pc games suffer from various issues that you get problems in installs, crashing in game, terrible optimization or problems with certain drivers that cause visual bugs in the game or stuttering and if something is wrong with your hardware you gonna have to test them all to figure out which one.dakan45
stuttering ?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off?page=2

"You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles"

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#339 Heyhuub
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

This is why PC gaming will always be better than consoles.

deathtarget04

Cant tell if serious. Thats almost 2 mintutes that i'll never get back.

And to think those people spent 3 hours just to activate that cat. Huh.

I' sorry i've never found mods or anything like that in particular to be of any useful to me. They're pretty much a waste of time. And sure one can claim that it increases game longetivity, but I rarely game nowadays. I have so much in life to do its crazy. And to bore myself with these mods is sad.

THe fact that you bore yourself reading a threat like this on a gaming forum whilst you hardly even game in your busy life is probably even sadder.

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#340 GTR2addict
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I thought i knew you better rikusaki, this is just ridiculous.
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#341 GrumpyWalrus
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OP fails on so many levels.

Not going to get into this to much as I am sure everything I could say has been said in the past 17 pages but the one glaring omission I saw TC left out was mods. Mods are absolutely huge to PC gaming. The ability to mod and the current community of mods for games such as Dragon Age and Fallout 3 puts the PC version leagues ahead of its console counterpart.

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#342 Kenny789
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That's why it's worth having a console AND a PC.
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#343 tume-x
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OP fails on so many levels.

Not going to get into this to much as I am sure everything I could say has been said in the past 17 pages but the one glaring omission I saw TC left out was mods. Mods are absolutely huge to PC gaming. The ability to mod and the current community of mods for games such as Dragon Age and Fallout 3 puts the PC version leagues ahead of its console counterpart.

GrumpyWalrus
Don't forget the MILLIONS of freeware games (FPS, MMO, anything).. I play free technical 2d fighters on my PC with my Hori Fighting Stick! Battlefield Heroes is a free MMO FPS. Gunz, Lunia, Cosmic Breakers is an awesome online anime/mecha-third person shooter - you can customize everything from the polygons on your favorite cyborg-girl's face! PC Gaming is so much fun!! And STEAM....."Hey buddy wanna play sum left 4 dead 2?", "Sure I'll start the game, log onto steam and click the button that gets you to join in my game/lobby". I also sometimes put my PC on my 32" HDTV and play games like Prototype with a 360 controller 1080p COMFORTABLY ON MY COUCH! I also move my desktop computer in my car, if one or more of my buddies wants to play LAN in their house.
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#344 dah_master
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PC is for people who are knowledgeable enough to know whatparts to buyand how to take care of your PC.

I'am neither which is why i game on my PS3 :D

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#345 clyde46
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so... did anyone buy anything from last nights steam sale?

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#346 GeoffZak
Member since 2007 • 3715 Posts

I agree with TC 100%. PC gaming is alright, I play games like Halo, World of Warcraft and Team Fortress 2 on my PC. But that's only because I don't have an Xbox to play Halo 1, WoW isn't available on any console, and Valve didn't finish the PS3/360 version of TF2. (There are a lot of things missing.) And I like console exclusives more than PC exclusives. I can't play Uncharted, Warhawk, Sonic Unleashed, LittleBigPlanet, Skate 2, MLB10 the Show, Star Ocean 4, White Knight Chronicles, DBZ Burst Limit, Tales of Vesperia or Metal Gear Solid 4 on my PC. Console gaming is superior in my mind mostly because there are better games. (And everything else TC suggested.)

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#347 skrat_01
Member since 2007 • 33767 Posts

[QUOTE="deathtarget04"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

This is why PC gaming will always be better than consoles.

Heyhuub

Cant tell if serious. Thats almost 2 mintutes that i'll never get back.

And to think those people spent 3 hours just to activate that cat. Huh.

I' sorry i've never found mods or anything like that in particular to be of any useful to me. They're pretty much a waste of time. And sure one can claim that it increases game longetivity, but I rarely game nowadays. I have so much in life to do its crazy. And to bore myself with these mods is sad.

THe fact that you bore yourself reading a threat like this on a gaming forum whilst you hardly even game in your busy life is probably even sadder.

Ah irony of this knows no bounds.
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#348 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]i agree with all points apart from variety, also add to the list that pc games suffer from various issues that you get problems in installs, crashing in game, terrible optimization or problems with certain drivers that cause visual bugs in the game or stuttering and if something is wrong with your hardware you gonna have to test them all to figure out which one.ronvalencia

stuttering ?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off?page=2

"You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles"

Not the same, i am talking about stuttering caused by your hardware/drivers or software that happens all the time or freeze and unfreeze the game randomly or it messes up your mouse aiming speed. That caused by drivers (famous issue in hl2) or by sound codecs. Stuff like that should not be happening on your hardware, unlike FXIII because the devs did it to squze optimazation. I am talking about an issue that you shouldnt experiance it since someone else with the same rig is not, but something messes up with your system configuration. If you dont know how to fix it then its a real painfull mess and the fix does not always work.
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#349 blizzle
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Maybe consoles are superior for some but I don't enjoy dumbed down games. So PC all the way for me.

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#350 Riverwolf007
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When you pay $300 for a console, you can play the latest games for many years to come.

When you pay $300 for PC, you will find yourself upgrading your hardware to keep up with the most demanding games. The graphics may not look as good when compared to the PC version of the same game (assuming you have the latest hardware), but the fact that the games of the near-future (Rage, Killzone 3) will run at 100% on your system without the need of any upgrades is a great feeling.


Portability - Bring your console with you. Instant gaming at your friend's place.

Why would they be slimming down our consoles? Of course it's not just for looks.

Yes, it's true. People take their consoles with them.

Unless you have a mini-ATX build, your PC is staying home.


Accessibility - Anyone can do it. Get together with friends.

Just plug in and play. Don't worry about the hardware. We have that covered. Have fun for the next several years.



The games. The variety. Consoles have them, PCs don't.

It's not just about exclusivity. It's the variety that makes consoles get more attention from the masses.

Find a game like Super Mario Galaxy 2 on the PC. You can't

Find a game like Uncharted 2 on the PC. You can't.

Find a game like Little Big Planet 2 on the PC. You can't.

What you can find on the PC are games that can only take advantage of the mouse/keyboard configuration (for the most part).

Consoles get a lot more attention from the mainstream because consoles offer games for everyone.

Rikusaki

lems around the world rejoice at being left out of your nutty topic.