PC Graphics are overrated by this forum

Technical graphics do not indicate which game looks the best.

Instead,the tell us which game pushes a platform the most.Far cry 3 obviously doesn't push modern pc hardware to its limits,and that is why it didn't win.

It's simple. The best technical graphics award is based on how good a game looks relative to the hardware it was running on. It's mostly a relative thing, not absolute. It's also been obvious since...forever...that console hardware is far more optimized than PC hardware. The graphical fidelity of say Uncharted 2, on a hardware that is little more than a 6800 Ultra, is a great technical achievement, whereas for a PC to even output anything close to that, with good performance, it'll need at least something 3 times more powerful.

Hence, if technical achivements are the basis for the best technical graphics awards, I'll have to say consoles deserve it more than PCs. It's not that PC games don't look good. They do. And if you perform a side by side comparison, PC always wins hands down. However, how much better the PC version looks, with the consideration how much more powerful the hardware is....that is a different question altogether.

jhcho2

Hes trolling. He knows PC has the best gfx.

Using GS Technical Graphics Award. You have got to be kidding.UCF_Knight

would you think different if PC was praised as much?

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Using GS Technical Graphics Award. You have got to be kidding.VanDammFan

would you think different if PC was praised as much?

If it wasn't correct, absolutely. I'm sure UCF would agree.

Btw to all you "buh buh we only go by Gamespot reviews not awards" denial driven fanboys. Gamespots Stickied "GOTY Award" thread says otherwise GioVela2010

No, you don't. The technical graphics award is not taken seriously even by system wars. I would say not even gamespot is taking it seriously since it didn't even exist this year.

Btw to all you "buh buh we only go by Gamespot reviews not awards" denial driven fanboys. Gamespots Stickied "GOTY Award" thread says otherwise GioVela2010

How, exactly? The sticky was to avoid numerous topics being posted. Same with any sticky. Thta's the entire point of stickies not regarding board rules :?

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Btw to all you "buh buh we only go by Gamespot reviews not awards" denial driven fanboys. Gamespots Stickied "GOTY Award" thread says otherwise lundy86_4

How, exactly? The sticky was to avoid numerous topics being posted. Same with any sticky. Thta's the entire point of stickies not regarding board rules :?

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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="NineTailedGoku"]

I don't think anyone would actually believe that, the thing is that PC games aren't making the best use of the hardware. PC development isn't going to go far beyond console as it wouldn't be profitable. Yes, PC games look better, but except for a select few, the benefits don't go beyond better aa and resolution.

Innovazero2000

and yet a prehistoric ati 1950pro play games like crysis 2 with slightly better graphics and performance than consoles lick

no it is 100% real.

The minimum requirements is a 8800 because they didn't bother to test an older GPU, but older gpu's work too.

just to point out that a 8800gt play crysis2 with 1650x1050, 30fps+, and very high settings(of course not extreme or ultra settings)

and the ati 1950pro as you see in the video run c2 with 1024x768, 30fps, high settings(before you say sub-hd rez remember that consoles run crysis2 in sub-hd too)

It's simple. The best technical graphics award is based on how good a game looks relative to the hardware it was running on. It's mostly a relative thing, not absolute. It's also been obvious since...forever...that console hardware is far more optimized than PC hardware. The graphical fidelity of say Uncharted 2, on a hardware that is little more than a 6800 Ultra, is a great technical achievement, whereas for a PC to even output anything close to that, with good performance, it'll need at least something 3 times more powerful.

Hence, if technical achivements are the basis for the best technical graphics awards, I'll have to say consoles deserve it more than PCs. It's not that PC games don't look good. They do. And if you perform a side by side comparison, PC always wins hands down. However, how much better the PC version looks, with the consideration how much more powerful the hardware is....that is a different question altogether.

jhcho2

NVIDIA RSX is based on G70 with slightly expanded register storage and 7600 GT memory bus.

10Best Graphics Awards > 4 Best Graphics Awards .. 4 Best Technical Graphics Awards > 2 Best Technical Graphics Awards .. 6 Best Artistic Graphics Awards > 2 Best Artistic Graphics AwardsGioVela2010

If you have to group together three consoles to claim ownage over PC... doesn't that mean that you admit that not a single console can beat PC ?

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]10Best Graphics Awards > 4 Best Graphics Awards .. 4 Best Technical Graphics Awards > 2 Best Technical Graphics Awards .. 6 Best Artistic Graphics Awards > 2 Best Artistic Graphics AwardsR4gn4r0k

If you have to group together three consoles to claim ownage over PC... doesn't that mean that you admit that not a single console can beat PC ?

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

and yet a prehistoric ati 1950pro play games like crysis 2 with slightly better graphics and performance than consoles lick

MK-Professor

no it is 100% real.

The minimum requirements is a 8800 because they didn't bother to test an older GPU, but older gpu's work too.

just to point out that a 8800gt play crysis2 with 1650x1050, 30fps+, and very high settings(of course not extreme or ultra settings)

and the ati 1950pro as you see in the video run c2 with 1024x768, 30fps, high settings(before you say sub-hd rez remember that consoles run crysis2 in sub-hd too)

Never said I was going to hurt anyone. If you understood how self defense works you would understand that. I left that class because all it did was make me angry all the time, the idea is to let everything make you angry and then bottle it in to use in case of an attack by an enemy. I am a "doomsday prepper",I think the worlds economic situation will collapse and the world will be stuck in a depression. People are going to pe preying on each other like animals, you need to be prepared to survive it.

ShadowMoses900

This sh!t just gets funnier all the time!

Quick guys! Lets dig a hole in the garden, store tins in it, put on our foil hats and huddle behind a chair until the end arrives!

I disagree with tc's logic but I agree with the thread title. Many pc gamers have an eye for graphics but as for me I think the hd twins do a great job at creating visuals andI appreciate how well optimized they are. Let me put it this way: I don't think pc graphics are good enough to justify the extra effort and cost associatedGunSmith1_basic

I justify the extra cost of my PC entirely in the fact that it gets 10x the amount of games the consoles do, and has far more variety in the assortment of games it plays, and I'm sure many other PC gamers have the same mindset.

The graphics are just a bonus.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]10Best Graphics Awards > 4 Best Graphics Awards .. 4 Best Technical Graphics Awards > 2 Best Technical Graphics Awards .. 6 Best Artistic Graphics Awards > 2 Best Artistic Graphics AwardsGioVela2010

If you have to group together three consoles to claim ownage over PC... doesn't that mean that you admit that not a single console can beat PC ?

Haha you're such a brogamer! I love your fanboy logic, I've spent some good moments laughing at you. Thanks for those my friend :).

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

It's simple. The best technical graphics award is based on how good a game looks relative to the hardware it was running on. It's mostly a relative thing, not absolute. It's also been obvious since...forever...that console hardware is far more optimized than PC hardware. The graphical fidelity of say Uncharted 2, on a hardware that is little more than a 6800 Ultra, is a great technical achievement, whereas for a PC to even output anything close to that, with good performance, it'll need at least something 3 times more powerful.

Hence, if technical achivements are the basis for the best technical graphics awards, I'll have to say consoles deserve it more than PCs. It's not that PC games don't look good. They do. And if you perform a side by side comparison, PC always wins hands down. However, how much better the PC version looks, with the consideration how much more powerful the hardware is....that is a different question altogether.

ronvalencia

NVIDIA RSX is based on G70 with slightly expanded register storage and 7600 GT memory bus.

Yeah I know that. But it's impossible to mention that without being too technical. And even then, despite the RSX being a 6800 Ultra on steroids, the actual equivalent performance of the RSX, as to whether it performs like a 7800 or whatever, still remains debatable. Ever since 2006, people have made claims that the RSX is like a 6800 SLi, or a 7800, or even a 7950. The fact is the RSX is a custom build unlike any of the other Nvidia cards on retail shelves. There can't be a conclusive equivalent comparison.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"] That video is blatantly false, that GPU doesn't even hit the minimum requirements.GioVela2010

no it is 100% real.

The minimum requirements is a 8800 because they didn't bother to test an older GPU, but older gpu's work too.

just to point out that a 8800gt play crysis2 with 1650x1050, 30fps+, and very high settings(of course not extreme or ultra settings)

and the ati 1950pro as you see in the video run c2 with 1024x768, 30fps, high settings(before you say sub-hd rez remember that consoles run crysis2 in sub-hd too)

more fail by you...

this graph is for crysis 1 not the 2 that we are taking about...

+ the fact that the graph show 1024x768 with high settings NOT medium or low...

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]I disagree with tc's logic but I agree with the thread title. Many pc gamers have an eye for graphics but as for me I think the hd twins do a great job at creating visuals andI appreciate how well optimized they are. Let me put it this way: I don't think pc graphics are good enough to justify the extra effort and cost associatedLy_the_Fairy

I justify the extra cost of my PC entirely in the fact that it gets 10x the amount of games the consoles do, and has far more variety in the assortment of games it plays, and I'm sure many other PC gamers have the same mindset.

The graphics are just a bonus.

Exactly. Add to that the fact that some of the most interesting and challenging genres, like TBS and RTS, are almost exclusive to the PC (well, maybe people who "press X to see something awesome happen" will have a hard time enjoying these games and call them boring, but who cares about idiots really). And you can alos add to that the fact that many multiplats are so much better on PC thanks to mods that they amount to a different, much better game (I'm looking at you, Skyrim, Fallout and so many others).

So no, graphics are just ONE of the many things that justify getting a decent PC. I would miss out on most of the fun I find in gaming if I was limited to consoles. But clearly, graphics on PC are hugely superior than they are on consoles, and it takes a major, uninformed tool to think otherwise.

Just think about this consolites : when fiddling with game settings, resolution is the last thing a PC gamer will touch. You will always favour lowering other graphic settings over lowering resolution. And yet, you see consolites cliaming all the time that resolution isn't a big deal.. Why? Because they probably don't even know what a game in full HD really looks like, especially with superb textures the like of which are unheard of on consoles. They look at small, compressed youtube videos and think "what's the big deal about"...

WHen I look at a multiplat on the PS3 or 360, it looks as backwards to me graphically, as the Wii version would seem to a PS3 or 360-only gamer.

If you are refering to the users that think they game 2 generations ahead of consoles, then yes, you are correct. 15strong

*Crysis graph*GioVela2010

Now, I know I said I won't respond to your drivel anymore, but I can't resist posting this...

From the same place you got your graph:

We tested the DX9 version with graphics set to "High", which is the highest non-DX10 setting in the game.Techpowerup

Source

Ouch!

That Youtube vid of Crysis 2 never said about running the game on highest settings. Once again, you failed miserably! :lol:

Lol, if anything PC graphics are massively underestimated by loads of clueless consolites who base their opinion on compressed Youtube videos. Basically, many idiots arguing in these forums don't even have capable enough hardware at home to experience PC graphics.

Deal with it, PC gaming makes console graphics look like crap, even the so-called "console graphics kings" :lol:

milannoir

This is very true, I learned when I bought my first gaming pc about 3 months ago

[QUOTE="milannoir"]

Lol, if anything PC graphics are massively underestimated by loads of clueless consolites who base their opinion on compressed Youtube videos. Basically, many idiots arguing in these forums don't even have capable enough hardware at home to experience PC graphics.

Deal with it, PC gaming makes console graphics look like crap, even the so-called "console graphics kings" :lol:

gamespot4life

This is very true, I learned when I bought my first gaming pc about 3 months ago

You were saying?

You were saying?

the_bi99man

What place is that?

What place is that?

N30F3N1X

Not sure. I just grabbed a bunch of pics from the last couple pages of the screenshot thread in the PC forum. ShimmerMan posted that one.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]10Best Graphics Awards > 4 Best Graphics Awards .. 4 Best Technical Graphics Awards > 2 Best Technical Graphics Awards .. 6 Best Artistic Graphics Awards > 2 Best Artistic Graphics AwardsGioVela2010

If you have to group together three consoles to claim ownage over PC... doesn't that mean that you admit that not a single console can beat PC ?

LOL, and then they say hermits make threads about insecurity... oh the irony.

Anyway, Uncharted is great for PS3... but bring it to PC it would look better, just like every multiplate.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

If you have to group together three consoles to claim ownage over PC... doesn't that mean that you admit that not a single console can beat PC ?

Bebi_vegeta

LOL, and then they say hermits make threads about insecurity... oh the irony.

Anyway, Uncharted is great for PS3... but bring it to PC it would like better, just like every multiplate.

Don't bother. These consolites don't understand how resolution works.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]*Crysis graph*Rocker6

Now, I know I said I won't respond to your drivel anymore, but I can't resist posting this...

From the same place you got your graph:

We tested the DX9 version with graphics set to "High", which is the highest non-DX10 setting in the game.Techpowerup

Source

Ouch!

That Youtube vid of Crysis 2 never said about running the game on highest settings. Once again, you failed miserably! :lol:

Are u for real? MK Professer (the person I quoted) clearly said High SettingsGioVela2010

Ummmm.

High is the lowest setting in Crysis 2

High

Very High

Extreme

Ultra

Yeah, I know. It's a boneheaded idea by Crytek to have the lowest setting labeled "High."

edit:

Based on graphical comparisons in the past, the console versions are on High setting, aka Low.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]*Crysis graph*GioVela2010

Now, I know I said I won't respond to your drivel anymore, but I can't resist posting this...

From the same place you got your graph:

We tested the DX9 version with graphics set to "High", which is the highest non-DX10 setting in the game.Techpowerup

Source

Ouch!

That Youtube vid of Crysis 2 never said about running the game on highest settings. Once again, you failed miserably! :lol:

Oh, I see, haven't been following closely to your discussion, just noted a point of interest...

Nevermind, then, and yeah, he's wrong, those GPUs won't play Crysis on high with an acceptable framerate...

You probably meant PS3, TC (super computer, the power of the cell, the power of bluray, exclusives not possible on 360, exclusives not possible on PC, etc, etc...) :P

Anyway, PC is indeed one generation ahead 360 and PS3. Unfortunatly, due to the fact more games are console ports, very few games take advantage of it's power. Next gen is needed.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

You were saying?

N30F3N1X

What place is that?

That is Windhelm, in Skyrim. I know, because I was just walking through its streets a few minutes ago... :P

Opinion or not, 2008-2010 technical awards (and 2010 artistic) are a joke.

MGS4, Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 were *NOT* technically better than Crysis Warhead, Arma 2 and Metro 2033.

Also, I've read you have a much better PC than consoles, TC.

Why don't you simply hook your much better PC to your 360 pad and HDTV and see the difference yourself?

You probably meant PS3, TC (super computer, the power of the cell, the power of bluray, exclusives not possible on 360, exclusives not possible on PC, etc, etc...) :P

Anyway, PC is indeed one generation ahead 360 and PS3. Unfortunatly, due to the fact more games are console ports, very few games take advantage of it's power. Next gen is needed.

PAL360

You were saying?

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

PressXtoJump

Don't lie to yourself.